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Alas, we aren’t talking about the concepts of televisions or airplanes, but that of race and nationalism.
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Globalists are the true racists, not nationalists. Globalists want open borders and mass migration in order to change the racial make up of targeted countries (white countries) just like they pretend to project "diversity" while destroying human diversity. I'm a nationalist and want all others to be nationalists in their own countries. I want Sweden to stay Swedish, Germany to stay German the same way I want Nigeria to stay Nigerian and Japan to stay Japanese. Not all blended together into some mix like the Middle East. True racists want some races destroyed, some to survive (the ones they can control) and those are the Globalists pushing open borders and targeted mass migration. Nationalists want to preserve true human diversity within nations by not destroying it. I want a world with white people, Asian people, African people, blonde hair, red hair, black hair, blue eyes, green eyes and brown eyes, etc. "Diversity" destroys all of that as does Globalism. View Quote |
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Remember the bad old days when most of GD got a good guffaw out of this? https://images3.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED441/593eb27858e5d.jpeg Back then, seems the idea was to make fun of the Left for equating citizenship with nationality. How quickly things change here. View Quote |
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So are you saying it is impossible for people of different races to live in the same country, share the same culture, speak the same language, eat the same food, celebrate the same holidays, and all while having pride/nationalism in said country? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Remember the bad old days when most of GD got a good guffaw out of this? https://images3.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED441/593eb27858e5d.jpeg Back then, seems the idea was to make fun of the Left for equating citizenship with nationality. How quickly things change here. It’s easier when some groups aren’t playing Humpty Dumpty with words and thus confusing their goals with those who would not accept Hasan as one of them. |
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Well, the fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition, says nothing about race. As Americans we are among the same social group who share a common national or cultural tradition. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Because we chose to expand the definition of nation. We expanded what we define as our volk. Our volk includes not only cracker ass crackers but everyone else who decides to become us. That even includes wayward Swedes who got sick of being cold in Swedeland and decided to be cold in Michigan. As Americans we are among the same social group who share a common national or cultural tradition. We just need to get over this humans are not animals thing and abandon "race". We should use "breed" instead. It works for cows and dogs. A Holstein can make baby cows with a long horn and a GSD can make freaky mutant baby dogs with a Chihuahua. My brother has proven that he can interbreed with Ginger so that proves they are the same species even if they are different breeds. It will work for Humans if we can only just get over our conceit that we are god's chosen hairless apes. |
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So you contend that the very notion of ethnicity is a Nazi thing? Godwin indeed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: The nation as a concept is based on history, language, and ethnicity. The US is based on the first of those, with certain ideals added, but it's not based around any specific ethnicity. Ethnicity-the fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition. Paging Doctor Godwin. Doctor Godwin to the white courtesy phone please. Godwin indeed. |
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Quoted: Not at all but it amuses me no end to bring Nazis into the conversation when it strikes me as appropriate or funny. You can try and fail to be Japanese all you want. It's the Japanese who will decide that you are still a Swede. If you try to become an American and to immerse yourself in your nascent Americanness, we will let happily Hyphen-American you because more of us than not have chosen to expand our definition of what the American ethnicity is. Are we dictionary accurate in our new definition? Fuck no. But who has enough pull to tell us we're wrong and to make it stick? We determine who "us" is and none of "them" can do fuck all about it. View Quote |
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Quoted: Your argument would hold more weight if you used correct examples; Wales is not part of England, they are separate (constituent) countries of the UK. Perhaps more time spent looking at maps and less time spent reading dictionaries? View Quote |
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Wrong. Is Brazil a nation? Yes. What race are Brazilians? ??? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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While I don't agree with all that they say, Bohr_Adam and Cincinnatus are clearly two of the more intelligent posters left on the site. Their biggest failure is arguing with idiots You can start with their posts if you want to save time. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: The historical context is... historical. If you had said you were a nationalist 10 years ago it would be met with the same reaction, or stronger. It's not some recent MSM twist on the definition. If anything, the right is attempting to redefine it, much the way the left constantly redefines other words (which we complain about ad nauseam). But this has already been discussed in detail in the thread. I'd suggest rereading some of the better posts, rather than re-litigating. |
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Quoted: Look up the historical definition or read a book. Do your own work. View Quote Just because the liberal press likes to conflate nationalism and white nationalism doesn't mean I have to buy into the bullshit. |
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Well said and the American way is the only way I agree with. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Not at all but it amuses me no end to bring Nazis into the conversation when it strikes me as appropriate or funny. You can try and fail to be Japanese all you want. It's the Japanese who will decide that you are still a Swede. If you try to become an American and to immerse yourself in your nascent Americanness, we will let happily Hyphen-American you because more of us than not have chosen to expand our definition of what the American ethnicity is. Are we dictionary accurate in our new definition? Fuck no. But who has enough pull to tell us we're wrong and to make it stick? We determine who "us" is and none of "them" can do fuck all about it. |
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Yes, historical context is a thing. Interestingly, it fits nicely within a portion of the words dictionary definition. I believe what you are really going for is that it has an emotional definition. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The meaning of words is more than just what we see in the Dictionary, right? Historical context is a thing. I believe what you are really going for is that it has an emotional definition. |
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This entirely depends on the context of the discussion. Unfortunately, you and many others have been trained to align the word "nationalist" to being a racist type of thing. This is largely due to the MSM's use of the word. However, the MSM uses an adjective before the word. This has trained people to think the word itself is bad due to that adjective and the relationship of the words. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The meaning of words is more than just what we see in the Dictionary, right? Historical context is a thing. Unfortunately, you and many others have been trained to align the word "nationalist" to being a racist type of thing. This is largely due to the MSM's use of the word. However, the MSM uses an adjective before the word. This has trained people to think the word itself is bad due to that adjective and the relationship of the words. But Nationalist ALSO does not equal Patriot. That TOO is ignorant. |
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Heritage is secondary, national identity is primary. Are you an American? Or do you claim allegiance to another country? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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But if them smarty pants dudes decline to roll around in the mud with us ignorant pigs, what will we poor pigs do for amusement? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: The historical context is... historical. If you had said you were a nationalist 10 years ago it would be met with the same reaction, or stronger. It's not some recent MSM twist on the definition. If anything, the right is attempting to redefine it, much the way the left constantly redefines other words (which we complain about ad nauseam). But this has already been discussed in detail in the thread. I'd suggest rereading some of the better posts, rather than re-litigating. |
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This reminds me of discussions where people are accused of “Treason,” and rather than use the Constitution for reference, they cite Webster’s.
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Quoted: American 100%. I was just wondering bc some (not all) nationalists have racist tendencies. View Quote Mike |
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A Nationalist can be a Leftist. And many hardcore Leftists (Communists) have aspirations that are to a certain degree, Nationalist in nature.
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Nationalism and patriotism often overlap, but aren't quite the same idea. But nationalism used to be common in the world, and especially in America. Americans leaders used to put American interest above anything else, and we were a better country for it. View Quote |
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I've read quite a few books and nationalism isn't a synonym with jingoism. By the actual definition, I am a nationalist. I'm also a patriot. There is quite a bit of overlap between the two. View Quote |
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A Nationalist can be a Leftist. And many hardcore Leftists (Communists) have aspirations that are to a certain degree, Nationalist in nature. View Quote |
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Quoted: I agree and have no problem with that. Ironically that's the way it should be. Nationalism = preserving your national culture and your national sovereignty. If you have other things to iron out, like freedom and civil rights, that's another issue(s). View Quote |
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Why don't you define the reality of the word? View Quote Have you even read the thread? You do this all the time, in so many threads pertaining to politics, religion, and social issues. You attempt to inject your astonishingly simplistic "ideas" into very complex discussions, all the while beaming with an intense sense of intellectual superiority. At first, I thought you were just trolling for giggles, but it soon became apparent you actually believe your own shit. You are the knew GD KANGAROO. |
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Quoted: It's been defined MANY times on here already? Have you even read the thread? You do this all the time, in so many threads pertaining to politics, religion, and social issues. You attempt to inject your astonishingly simplistic "ideas" into very complex discussions, all the while beaming with an intense sense of intellectual superiority. At first, I thought you were just trolling for giggles, but it soon became apparent you actually believe your own shit. You are the knew GD KANGAROO. View Quote |
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I agree and have no problem with that. Ironically that's the way it should be. Nationalism = preserving your national culture and your national sovereignty. If you have other things to iron out, like freedom and civil rights, that's another issue(s). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A Nationalist can be a Leftist. And many hardcore Leftists (Communists) have aspirations that are to a certain degree, Nationalist in nature. They hate THIS country and this Constitution. And if they win, they will be extremely Nationalistic. |
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Why can't freedom and civil rights be a part of a culture? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: I agree and have no problem with that. Ironically that's the way it should be. Nationalism = preserving your national culture and your national sovereignty. If you have other things to iron out, like freedom and civil rights, that's another issue(s). Putin is a Nationalist. So is Kim. |
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The Left have Nationalist aspirations, AND they are the exact opposite of Patriotic. They hate THIS country and this Constitution. And if they win, they will be extremely Nationalistic. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A Nationalist can be a Leftist. And many hardcore Leftists (Communists) have aspirations that are to a certain degree, Nationalist in nature. They hate THIS country and this Constitution. And if they win, they will be extremely Nationalistic. |
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That is the polar opposite of the meaning. Nationalism as a concept puts ones ethno-linguistic group above current citizenship. The history of nationalism is a history of people sharing the same concept of an ethnic heritage seeking to break away from a political state which was not led by that same group and/or to unify separate political states which the nationalists believed were rightly part of their same group - thus the modern concept of a "nation-state." As such, nationalism has always been about race/ethnicity/etc. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: And we should care because? What's your opinion on people of Hispanic heritage such as I? Just wondering. Nationalism as a concept puts ones ethno-linguistic group above current citizenship. The history of nationalism is a history of people sharing the same concept of an ethnic heritage seeking to break away from a political state which was not led by that same group and/or to unify separate political states which the nationalists believed were rightly part of their same group - thus the modern concept of a "nation-state." As such, nationalism has always been about race/ethnicity/etc. I suggest the name for that is "Nationalist". "Patriot" isn't quite the word, because it is a subjective term. It really is mostly used in the format of "Some good countryman"... which is subjective. Conservatives might claim to sole ownership of that term, but I've heard of Liberals referring to some of their heroes as "Patriots". So I would never use "Patriot" as a sort of political descriptor. |
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I was referring to other nations. Communists in this country represent a foreign ideology. One with which we are at war ideologically. If they were to come to power what are you suggesting their "nationalistic" policies would be? The way you worded that sounds to me like you have a liberal media fed idea of what nationalism is. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A Nationalist can be a Leftist. And many hardcore Leftists (Communists) have aspirations that are to a certain degree, Nationalist in nature. They hate THIS country and this Constitution. And if they win, they will be extremely Nationalistic. If the LEFT wins and takes over the country, THEY will determine the policies of the Nation, and they WILL be Nationalistic. They won’t be foreign invaders, they will be native-born, red-blooded Americans. Their “Nationalist” policies? Think Venezuela. Think “Nationalization” of certain areas of private industry. You mistakenly are ascribing an ideology or morality to the idea of Nationalism. |
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You have to stop the knee-jerk accusation that anyone who disagrees with you about the meaning of the word MUST be a victim of the MSM. It makes you sound silly. If the LEFT wins and takes over the country, THEY will determine the policies of the Nation, and they WILL be Nationalistic. They won’t be foreign invaders, they will be native-born, red-blooded Americans. You mistakenly are ascribing an ideology or morality to the idea of Nationalism. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A Nationalist can be a Leftist. And many hardcore Leftists (Communists) have aspirations that are to a certain degree, Nationalist in nature. They hate THIS country and this Constitution. And if they win, they will be extremely Nationalistic. If the LEFT wins and takes over the country, THEY will determine the policies of the Nation, and they WILL be Nationalistic. They won’t be foreign invaders, they will be native-born, red-blooded Americans. You mistakenly are ascribing an ideology or morality to the idea of Nationalism. |
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The Left have Nationalist aspirations, AND they are the exact opposite of Patriotic. They hate THIS country and this Constitution. And if they win, they will be extremely Nationalistic. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A Nationalist can be a Leftist. And many hardcore Leftists (Communists) have aspirations that are to a certain degree, Nationalist in nature. They hate THIS country and this Constitution. And if they win, they will be extremely Nationalistic. History is actually on my side on this. Leftist terrorists would murder one another over slight disagreements over Leftist-Socialist policies during the Cold War. |
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