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Posted: 12/15/2021 9:23:14 PM EDT
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I would like to be able to shoot 30 carbine out of my m1 carbine, but ammo is stupid expensive right now.
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Posted: 12/15/2021 9:43:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/15/2021 10:07:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNice |
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Posted: 12/15/2021 10:08:14 PM EDT
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Likewise shameless post.
 
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Posted: 12/15/2021 10:14:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/15/2021 10:16:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then the round should be around for decades to come. A well maintained USGI spec Carbine will last for years to come. I've 2 USGI Inlands and a Howa produced one that have seen rebuilds by Fulton Armory so their basically like new rifles. Even my NPM that saw a tech check by FA and needed minimal service will be around long after I'm dead and gone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: But .30 carbines cost stupid money these days…  Yep, and when the carbines die out so will the round. Then the round should be around for decades to come. A well maintained USGI spec Carbine will last for years to come. I've 2 USGI Inlands and a Howa produced one that have seen rebuilds by Fulton Armory so their basically like new rifles. Even my NPM that saw a tech check by FA and needed minimal service will be around long after I'm dead and gone. Agreed. Especially with companies like Fulton Armory cranking out carbines with a lengthy back order. |
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Posted: 12/15/2021 10:21:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed. Especially with companies like Fulton Armory cranking out carbines with a lengthy back order. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: But .30 carbines cost stupid money these days… Yep, and when the carbines die out so will the round. Then the round should be around for decades to come. A well maintained USGI spec Carbine will last for years to come. I've 2 USGI Inlands and a Howa produced one that have seen rebuilds by Fulton Armory so their basically like new rifles. Even my NPM that saw a tech check by FA and needed minimal service will be around long after I'm dead and gone. Agreed. Especially with companies like Fulton Armory cranking out carbines with a lengthy back order. I'm one of the biggest Fulton fans here but they don't produce large numbers of Carbines. The 1 I bought in 2018 and the 1 I got a couple months ago only have a 500 number difference between the serial numbers. Their a small custom shop, not a volume manufacturer |
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Posted: 12/15/2021 10:22:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Desperation is a stinky cologne. It's already in progress. The rifles and ammo are already more expensive than makes sense once one excludes nostalgia. Thats not going to be getting better. For months ammo has been high for all calibers. Have you been checking out prices for AR ammo for various calibers? |
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Posted: 12/15/2021 10:24:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought I was getting fucked a few months back @52 CPR. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/38726/Screenshot_20211213-105027_Chrome_jpg-2202357.JPG |
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Posted: 12/15/2021 10:26:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNow that makes a cool looking fence. 
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Posted: 12/15/2021 10:28:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm one of the biggest Fulton fans here but they don't produce large numbers of Carbines. The 1 I bought in 2018 and the 1 I got a couple months ago only have a 500 number difference between the serial numbers. Their a small custom shop, not a volume manufacturer True but you still have AO and Inland cranking out reproductions. |
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Posted: 12/15/2021 11:14:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Magal. Basically a .30 Carbine Galil that took M1 mags. https://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot-restricted/weapons/machine-guns/imi_magal_smg-03896.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Israelis made one. I cannot recall what it was called though. Magal. Basically a .30 Carbine Galil that took M1 mags. https://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot-restricted/weapons/machine-guns/imi_magal_smg-03896.jpg The depth of knowledge around here is amazing. |
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Posted: 12/15/2021 11:23:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: True but you still have AO and Inland cranking out reproductions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm one of the biggest Fulton fans here but they don't produce large numbers of Carbines. The 1 I bought in 2018 and the 1 I got a couple months ago only have a 500 number difference between the serial numbers. Their a small custom shop, not a volume manufacturer True but you still have AO and Inland cranking out reproductions. Problem with AO and New Inland is they have QC problems. For as many people who have gotten good one's there's enough people (myself included) who have had major issues with them that anytime someone asks me about them I can't recommend them. |
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Posted: 12/16/2021 12:13:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Problem with AO and New Inland is they have QC problems. For as many people who have gotten good one's there's enough people (myself included) who have had major issues with them that anytime someone asks me about them I can't recommend them. Biggest problem is they don't 100% accept GI parts, so down the road they're an orphan like the late Universals. |
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Posted: 12/16/2021 1:13:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Problem with AO and New Inland is they have QC problems. For as many people who have gotten good one's there's enough people (myself included) who have had major issues with them that anytime someone asks me about them I can't recommend them. Understood. I had one that had issues. The problem was an out of spec mag. catch. I bought one from Fulton Armory and that solved the problem. Before that, the rifle would not feed correctly as the magazine did not seat correctly. Afterwards, the rifle sho flawlessly. |
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Posted: 12/16/2021 1:21:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Biggest problem is they don't 100% accept GI parts, so down the road they're an orphan like the late Universals. Actually for the most part the rifles were compatible with GI parts. There was a slight difference in the receiver pertaining to the recoil spring housing. |
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Posted: 12/16/2021 1:27:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Magal. Basically a .30 Carbine Galil that took M1 mags. https://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot-restricted/weapons/machine-guns/imi_magal_smg-03896.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Israelis made one. I cannot recall what it was called though. Magal. Basically a .30 Carbine Galil that took M1 mags. https://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot-restricted/weapons/machine-guns/imi_magal_smg-03896.jpg Not sure what the point of the bayonet lug is on those unless they made a special bayonet for it. The Dominicans also made a firearm in .30 Carbine, and I think there was one other besides those two and the M-1 family. |
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Posted: 12/16/2021 1:28:31 AM EDT
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Quoted: .30 carbine AR15 that takes M1 Carbine magazines. I think it would be a hot seller Same reason no body makes one in 357 mag. Most variants have some sort of advantage in some way. A 30 carbine would have none. |
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Posted: 12/16/2021 1:40:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a difficult time taking seriously anyone who complains about ammo prices. If ammo prices are a problem, then you're not a handloader, and if you're not a handloader, then it's probable that you do not shoot enough to have much of an opinion on the subject of shooting. I have a difficult time taking seriously anyone who handholds extensively and thinks they are remotely applicable to "the market". If you're going to handload for a nice light carbine rifle, why not a .35Rem Model 8? |
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Posted: 12/16/2021 2:06:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Understood. I had one that had issues. The problem was an out of spec mag. catch. I bought one from Fulton Armory and that solved the problem. Before that, the rifle would not feed correctly as the magazine did not seat correctly. Afterwards, the rifle sho flawlessly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Problem with AO and New Inland is they have QC problems. For as many people who have gotten good one's there's enough people (myself included) who have had major issues with them that anytime someone asks me about them I can't recommend them. Understood. I had one that had issues. The problem was an out of spec mag. catch. I bought one from Fulton Armory and that solved the problem. Before that, the rifle would not feed correctly as the magazine did not seat correctly. Afterwards, the rifle sho flawlessly. That was one of the minor issues that AO's and New inlands can have. http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/overview-assessment-commercial-carbines-mfg-today_topic2587.html http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/new-aom130-feed-issues_topic5479.html I had all the problems with mine in 2008 that this gentleman had in May this year. It soured me enough on AO's that I passed on buying a new AO at a LGS (Point Blank in Cincinnati) at 1/2 off on a blowout 2019 and bought a used Plainfield instead. "New" Inlands had issues with their bolts shearing lugs off the 1st year or so due to poor heat treating. I passed on a used one of them this spring because I wasn't sure it had a replacement bolt in it. Problem there is neither AO or NI bolts are USGI spec, they interchange with each other but not USGI bolts |
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Posted: 12/16/2021 8:35:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually for the most part the rifles were compatible with GI parts. There was a slight difference in the receiver pertaining to the recoil spring housing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Biggest problem is they don't 100% accept GI parts, so down the road they're an orphan like the late Universals. Actually for the most part the rifles were compatible with GI parts. There was a slight difference in the receiver pertaining to the recoil spring housing. Late Universals don't take GI stocks, trigger housing, or slides. The receiver is also different. The Kahr/Inland guns cannot reliably take GI bolts, and the bbls & stocks are proprietary. |
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Posted: 12/16/2021 12:51:15 PM EDT
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We need more shameless posts here
 
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Posted: 12/16/2021 2:05:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Late Universals don't take GI stocks, trigger housing, or slides. The receiver is also different. The Kahr/Inland guns cannot reliably take GI bolts, and the bbls & stocks are proprietary. Yes, I am familiar with the late Universals; I have one, passed down from my father. With tweaking it shoots perfectly. Has 2 recoil springs. Regarding the barrel and bolts on the Kahn they can be replaced with GI’s. The barrel has to be reamed for correct headspace. I’ve done it. Was quite simple. |
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Posted: 12/16/2021 3:21:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, I am familiar with the late Universals; I have one, passed down from my father. With tweaking it shoots perfectly. Has 2 recoil springs. Regarding the barrel and bolts on the Kahn they can be replaced with GI’s. The barrel has to be reamed for correct headspace. I’ve done it. Was quite simple. Good to know. The stock is still funky, however. Or does replacing w/ a GI bbl fix that? I had thought there was some fixture on the rear of the GI bbl that was incompatible w/ the Kahr receivers. |
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Posted: 12/16/2021 3:31:33 PM EDT
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Because we already have AR's in a rimless, readily available, 30 caliber round, (that is pretty affordable)... it is called 300 blackout.
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Posted: 12/16/2021 3:33:57 PM EDT
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They already have 9mm ARs.
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Posted: 12/17/2021 2:18:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want a Lewis Gun in .30-30.  In all seriousness, I wish the Italians would make replicas in modern cartridges. Like a Trapdoor Springfield in 30-30 or 308. I've been on a historical buying spree lately but can't justify buying a gun you can't get ammo for without reloading. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 5:54:01 PM EDT
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 I've seen .45-70 stocked at WalMart. |
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