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Link Posted: 2/13/2020 10:29:04 AM EST
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One???

Shit, what do you think caused the creation of the lily white suburbs?

And up North millions of those assholes are mostly dumbass communist, anti guy democrats.

I would imagine it is the same down South........(e.g., Virginia as a prime example).
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I know one like this. She loves minorities and thinks they need special attention and handouts. As long as the don't live next to her or there's no black kids playing basketball at the park.
One???

Shit, what do you think caused the creation of the lily white suburbs?

And up North millions of those assholes are mostly dumbass communist, anti guy democrats.

I would imagine it is the same down South........(e.g., Virginia as a prime example).
She's one example.

My grandmother moved to Detroit from Tennessee in the 50s and started teaching in detroit after getting her Masters of Education degree. She was working when the race riots kicked off. She promptly moved and started teaching in a lilly white suburb.

At least for her a deciding factor was when the natives got restless and started burning everything to the ground. There were 3 white kids in the school she taught at, and those were her children. She said she felt surrounded and pretty sure they were all going to die during the riots.
Link Posted: 2/13/2020 10:31:45 AM EST
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Malcolm X knew the con, probably why the Uncle Toms killed him...

Malcom X || Warning Black America About Liberals
Link Posted: 2/13/2020 10:34:50 AM EST
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More like the late 1960s with  Nixon’s southern strategy. Remember. George Wallace was a Democrat. Do you really think the Democrats would accept Wallace today? Good chance the Republicans would make excuses for him. Anyway, there is some validity to the “parties flipped” argument. I can’t see today’s Republicans being the abolitionists of the 1860s.
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Some idiot tried to tell me the parties flipped in the 50's.
More like the late 1960s with  Nixon’s southern strategy. Remember. George Wallace was a Democrat. Do you really think the Democrats would accept Wallace today? Good chance the Republicans would make excuses for him. Anyway, there is some validity to the “parties flipped” argument. I can’t see today’s Republicans being the abolitionists of the 1860s.
George Wallace ran as an independent in 1968 and won 5 southern states. Both democrats and republicans wanted no part of his racist ideology. Truth be told, democrats were just hiding from embracing Wallace and republicans were in the process of ridding the south of racism at the time. Those 5 states were the last hold outs.
Link Posted: 2/13/2020 10:35:21 AM EST
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More like the late 1960s with  Nixon's southern strategy. Remember. George Wallace was a Democrat. Do you really think the Democrats would accept Wallace today? Good chance the Republicans would make excuses for him. Anyway, there is some validity to the "parties flipped" argument. I can't see today's Republicans being the abolitionists of the 1860s.
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The "southern strategy" argument is bullshit.  A few republicans have admitted it existed and even apologized for it (the "please love me media types) and yet no trace of it exists in history.  The most that can be conjured is that leftists claim when Nixon said he wanted to be tough on drugs he really ...wink wink meant black people.

The theory that all the southern raciata became republican in the late 60s when nixon did well there is also hilarious given how well the democrats did with carter (so I guess they switched back once?).

The truth is that the south became less racist.  Old raciats died (as democrats) and their children cares more about fighting communism, free market, religious rights etc.  The left/dems can't accept that we are less racist now than before.  But like Nazi Germany, values changed, because Nazism was once popular there doesn't mean it still is and thwyre all undercover now.
Link Posted: 2/13/2020 10:36:02 AM EST
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Link Posted: 2/13/2020 10:36:30 AM EST
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One need only start a Civil War thread in GD to see that many of today’s Confederate sympathizers and supporters are on “our” side. One need only see how ugly those threads get to see that this in no way means anyone else flipped the other way. Are the types of people fighting to keep Confederate monuments up more likely to vote for Republicans or Democrats? How about those who want to take them down?

Good luck finding many Confederate Flag waving apologists for the Confederacy voting for Democrats these days.
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Conversely why aren’t Democrats proud of their past and now want to erase all evidence of their racism and bigotry?
Link Posted: 2/13/2020 10:37:02 AM EST
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All those Republicans in the deep south sure put up a hell of a fight to preserve segregation in the late 60's, didn't they?
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Some idiot tried to tell me the parties flipped in the 50's.
All those Republicans in the deep south sure put up a hell of a fight to preserve segregation in the late 60's, didn't they?
Rite?
Link Posted: 2/13/2020 10:37:49 AM EST
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Coincidentally, using that against them is a great way to cause vapor lock in an argument:

I haven't seen your side this upset since the Republicans took your slaves away...

Try it. It's like throwing an emotional hand grenade
Link Posted: 2/13/2020 10:40:56 AM EST
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The "southern strategy" argument is bullshit.  A few republicans have admitted it existed and even apologized for it (the "please love me media types) and yet no trace of it exists in history.  The most that can be conjured is that leftists claim when Nixon said he wanted to be tough on drugs he really ...wink wink meant black people.

The theory that all the southern raciata became republican in the late 60s when nixon did well there is also hilarious given how well the democrats did with carter (so I guess they switched back once?).

The truth is that the south became less racist.  Old raciats died (as democrats) and their children cares more about fighting communism, free market, religious rights etc.  The left/dems can't accept that we are less racist now than before.  But like Nazi Germany, values changed, because Nazism was once popular there doesn't mean it still is and thwyre all undercover now.
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More like the late 1960s with  Nixon's southern strategy. Remember. George Wallace was a Democrat. Do you really think the Democrats would accept Wallace today? Good chance the Republicans would make excuses for him. Anyway, there is some validity to the "parties flipped" argument. I can't see today's Republicans being the abolitionists of the 1860s.
The "southern strategy" argument is bullshit.  A few republicans have admitted it existed and even apologized for it (the "please love me media types) and yet no trace of it exists in history.  The most that can be conjured is that leftists claim when Nixon said he wanted to be tough on drugs he really ...wink wink meant black people.

The theory that all the southern raciata became republican in the late 60s when nixon did well there is also hilarious given how well the democrats did with carter (so I guess they switched back once?).

The truth is that the south became less racist.  Old raciats died (as democrats) and their children cares more about fighting communism, free market, religious rights etc.  The left/dems can't accept that we are less racist now than before.  But like Nazi Germany, values changed, because Nazism was once popular there doesn't mean it still is and thwyre all undercover now.
It boils down to this...the 1960s civil rights movement unseated democrats in public office from the bottom to the top. It wasn't realized fully until Reagan won over the south in 1980.
Link Posted: 2/13/2020 10:44:34 AM EST
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This.
Link Posted: 2/13/2020 10:45:44 AM EST
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She's one example.

My grandmother moved to Detroit from Tennessee in the 50s and started teaching in detroit after getting her Masters of Education degree. She was working when the race riots kicked off. She promptly moved and started teaching in a lilly white suburb.

At least for her a deciding factor was when the natives got restless and started burning everything to the ground. There were 3 white kids in the school she taught at, and those were her children. She said she felt surrounded and pretty sure they were all going to die during the riots.
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Where did she teach if you remember?

I honestly might have been one of those 3 students (unless those 3 kids were actually her own children?).

In high school I was one of six white kids left in our graduating class and the class was roughly 1,000 students (it was a Class A school, Mackenzie High School, 1971).

Most of the whites had fled to the lily white suburbs by then because they refused to live with blacks.  We couldn't move because we were way too poor to live out in the suburbs.
Link Posted: 2/13/2020 10:49:54 AM EST
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The Party Switch


...hinges on the tale of Richard Nixon’s so-called Southern Strategy. According to this narrative, advanced by progressive historians, Nixon orchestrated a party switch on civil rights by converting the racists in the Democratic Party — the infamous Dixiecrats — into Republicans.

Progressives insist that Nixon’s appeals to drugs and law and order were coded racist messaging. Yet when Nixon ran for president in 1968 the main issue was the Vietnam War. One popular Republican slogan of the period described the Democrats as the party of “acid, amnesty and abortion.”

Nixon’s references to drugs and law and order in 1968 were quite obviously directed at the antiwar protesters who had just disrupted the Democratic Convention in Chicago. His target was radical activists such as Abbie Hoffman and Bill Ayers. Nixon scorned the hippies, champions of the drug culture such as Timothy Leary, and draft-dodgers who fled to Canada. The vast majority of these people were white.

Nixon had an excellent record on civil rights. He supported the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. He was an avid champion of the desegregation of public schools. The progressive columnist Tom Wicker wrote in the New York Times, “There’s no doubt about it — the Nixon administration accomplished more in 1970 to desegregate Southern school systems than had been done in the 16 previous years or probably since. There’s no doubt either that it was Richard Nixon personally who conceived and led the administration’s desegregation effort.”
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Upon his taking office in 1969, Nixon also put into effect America’s first affirmative action program. Dubbed the Philadelphia Plan, it imposed racial goals and timetables on the building trade unions, first in Philadelphia and then elsewhere.

Nixon barely campaigned in the Deep South. His strategy, as outlined by Kevin Phillips in his classic work, “The Emerging Republican Majority,” was to target the Sunbelt, the vast swath of territory stretching from Florida to Nixon’s native California. This included what Phillips terms the Outer or Peripheral South.

Nixon recognized the South was changing. It was becoming more industrialized, with many northerners moving to the Sunbelt. Nixon’s focus, Phillips writes, was on the non-racist, upwardly-mobile, largely urban voters of the Outer or Peripheral South. Nixon won these voters, and he lost the Deep South, which went to Democratic segregationist George Wallace.

And how many racist Dixiecrats did Nixon win for the GOP? Turns out, virtually none. Among the racist Dixiecrats, Strom Thurmond of South Carolina was the sole senator to defect to the Republicans — and he did this long before Nixon’s time. Only one Dixiecrat congressman, Albert Watson of South Carolina, switched to the GOP. The rest, more than 200 Dixiecrat senators, congressmen, governors and high elected officials, all stayed in the Democratic Party.

The South, as a whole, became Republican during the 1980s and 1990s. This had nothing to do with Nixon; it was because of Ronald Reagan and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich’s “Contract with America.” The conservative appeal to patriotism, anti-communism, free markets, pro-life and Christianity had far more to do with the South’s movement into the GOP camp than anything related to race.

Yet the myth of Nixon’s Southern Strategy endures — not because it’s true, but because it conveniently serves to exculpate the crimes of the Democratic Party. Somehow the party that promoted slavery, segregation, Jim Crow and racial terrorism gets to wipe its slate clean by pretending that, with Nixon’s connivance, the Republicans stole all their racists. It’s time we recognize this excuse for what it is: one more Democratic big lie.
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The county I live in now was historically democrat and at some point 80s,90s everyone switched from dem to rep.
Link Posted: 2/13/2020 10:56:13 AM EST
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The Party Switch


...hinges on the tale of Richard Nixon’s so-called Southern Strategy. According to this narrative, advanced by progressive historians, Nixon orchestrated a party switch on civil rights by converting the racists in the Democratic Party — the infamous Dixiecrats — into Republicans.

Progressives insist that Nixon’s appeals to drugs and law and order were coded racist messaging. Yet when Nixon ran for president in 1968 the main issue was the Vietnam War. One popular Republican slogan of the period described the Democrats as the party of “acid, amnesty and abortion.”

Nixon’s references to drugs and law and order in 1968 were quite obviously directed at the antiwar protesters who had just disrupted the Democratic Convention in Chicago. His target was radical activists such as Abbie Hoffman and Bill Ayers. Nixon scorned the hippies, champions of the drug culture such as Timothy Leary, and draft-dodgers who fled to Canada. The vast majority of these people were white.

Nixon had an excellent record on civil rights. He supported the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. He was an avid champion of the desegregation of public schools. The progressive columnist Tom Wicker wrote in the New York Times, “There’s no doubt about it — the Nixon administration accomplished more in 1970 to desegregate Southern school systems than had been done in the 16 previous years or probably since. There’s no doubt either that it was Richard Nixon personally who conceived and led the administration’s desegregation effort.”
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Nixon was a scapegoat for the democrats during that time period, much like the Russians(and Trump) are their scapegoat today.

They hated Nixon and chased him out of office because he was exposing their corrupt leaders. He was unfortunately too incompetent to handle the Watergate break-in by trying to cover it up and that has left a stain on the Republican party.
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The freedom, liberty and prosperity of Reagan caused the switch.
Link Posted: 2/13/2020 11:21:34 AM EST
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No.  The parties didn’t switch.

Dems are still the party of slavery and they assassinated Abraham Lincoln.

It’s all Democrat BS.

It's a jedi mind trick excuse for losing.  It’s the Democrat attempt at propaganda to excuse the democrat party's history of oppression so they can gain power by calling you a racist today.

The Republicans never once got together and said "Hey, remember that whole Jim Crow thing? It didn't work out so well for the Democrats but I think it's got real potential for us!"

The people making that argument are the descendants of the same shitheads who tried to argue that Reagan and Trump are the rebirth of Hitler and the white supremacist movement.  Yet Hitler was a socialist.

Sound familiar?
Link Posted: 2/13/2020 11:40:10 AM EST
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Let’s talk some history...

1791 - The Democratic-Republican Party is formed by James Madison and Thomas Jefferson against Alexander Hamilton’s Federalist Party. The Democratic-Republicans strongly opposed government overreach and expansion, the creation of a naTtional bank, and corruption.

1804 - Andrew Jackson purchases the plantation that will become his primary source of wealth.

1824 - The Democratic-Republican Party split. The new Democrats were supported by Andrew Jackson and Martin Van Buren, and the National Republicans were supported by John Quincy Adams and Henry Clay.

1828 - Andrew Jackson is elected President of the United States.

1830 - Andrew Jackson signed the Indian Removal Act, whereby the Cherokee and other native tribes were to be forcibly removed from their lands.

1831 - Cherokee Nation v. Georgia, whereby the Supreme Court ruled that Cherokee Nation was sovereign and the U.S. had no jurisdiction over Cherokee lands. Andrew Jackson had already started to enforce the removal of the Choctaw.

1832-33 - The Whig Party is formed in opposition to Jackson’s government expansion and overreach in the Nullification Crisis and the establishment of a Second National Bank. The Whig Party successfully absorbs the National Republican Party.

1838 - Many Indian tribes had been forcibly removed. Under Jackson, General Winfield Scott and 7,000 soldiers forced the Cherokee from their land at bayonet point while their homes were pillaged. They marched the Cherokee more than 1,200 miles to the allocated Indian territory. About 5,000 Cherokee died on the journey due to starvation and disease.

1854 - The Whig Party dissolves over the question of the expansion of slavery. Anti-slavery Whigs and anti-slavery democrats form the Republican Party with their sole goal being to end slavery.

1861 -The election of President Lincoln spurs the beginning of the Civil War.

1862 - Lincoln writes a letter where he declares he wishes to preserve the union regardless of the morals on slavery. He issues the Emancipation Proclamation, whereby all slaves in Union territories had to be freed. As states came under Union control, those slaves too had to be freed.

1863 - Frederick Douglass, former slave and famous Republican abolitionist, meets with Lincoln on the suffrage of emancipated slaves.

1864 - Lincoln revised his position on slavery in a letter to Albert G. Hodges stating “If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong.”

1865 - Confederate General Robert E. Lee surrenders at the Appomattox Courthouse to Union victory. After Lincoln’s Assassination, Democrat President Johnson issues amnesty to rebels and pardons the slave owners of their crimes.

1865 - The 13th Amendment which ended slavery passed with 100% Republican support and 63% Democrat support in congress.

1866 - The Klu Klux Klan is formed by Confederate veterans to intimidate black and Republicans through violence, lynching, and public floggings. They gave open support to the Democrat Party.

1866 - The Civil Rights Act of 1866 is vetoed by Democratic President Andrew Johnson. Every single Republican voted and overturned the veto.

1868 - The 14th Amendment which gave citizenship to freed slaves passed with 94% Republican support and 0% Democrat support in congress. The first grand wizard of the KKK, Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest is honored at the1968 Democratic National Convention.

1868 - Representative James Hinds who taught newly freedmen of their rights is murdered by the KKK.

1870 - The 15th Amendment which gave freed slaves the right to vote passed with 100% Republican support and 0% Democrat support in congress.

1871 - The violence of the KKK grew so savage that congress passed the Enforcement Acts to repress their influence.

1875 - Democrat Senator William Saulsbury speaks out against the Civil RIghts Act of 1875, claiming it will allow “colored men shall sit at the same table beside the white guest; that he shall enter the same parlor and take his seat beside the wife and daughter of the white man, whether the white man is willing or not, because you prohibit discrimination against him.“

1884 - A train conductor orders Ida B. Wells, a black Republican woman, to give up her seat and move to the smoking car. Wells was an investigative journalist who worked for a Republican journal to expose the horror of lynching. She advocated for the 2nd amendment rights for blacks so that they could protect themselves, and she denounced the Democratic Party for treating blacks as property unequal to whites.

1892 - Democrat Benjamin Tillman is re-elected to the Senate. He was a white supremacist who boasted his participation in lynchings. He is quoted saying that “as long as the Negroes continue to ravish white women we will continue to lynch them.”

1915 - Democrat President Woodrow Wilson screens KKK promotion film Birth of a Nation. The film pictured blacks as ignorant and violent savages, and the Klu Klux Klan as rescuers and protectors of the civilized world. The popularity of the movie revived the Klu Klux Klan which had previously gone extinct. Reportedly Wilson said about the film that “[it] is like writing history with lightning, and my only regret is that it is all so terribly true.”

1919 - The 19th Amendment which officially gave women the right to vote passed with 82% Republican support and 54% Democrat support in congress.

1924 - Thousands of Klansmen attend the 1924 Democratic National Convention.

1933 - The chief Nazi newspaper, Volkischer Beobachter, praised “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” and “the development toward an authoritarian state.”

1933 - Democrat President Franklin Delano Roosevelt passes the Agricultural Adjustment Act with the well-meaning goal to help farmers and sharecroppers. Instead, though it aided white farmers, it resulted in increased unemployment and displacement of black farmers.

1933 - FDR established the National Recovery Administration to stimulate business recovery by forcing employers to pay higher wages for less work. This relief program was enforced on a local level and allowed Jim Crow racism to flourish, resulting in many blacks being fired to be replaced by whites.

1934 - The Federal Housing Administration is introduced under FDR. The FHA made homeownership accessible for whites, but explicitly refused to back loans to black people or even other people who lived near black people.

1936 - The Roosevelt Administration finally begins vying for the black vote. Though the relief programs neglected blacks, their communities were bombarded with advertisements. FDR began to garner black support though the vast majority remained economically unchanged and locked into poverty.

1942 - FDR orders American citizens of Japanese ancestry from their homes into interment camps without due process after the bombings at Pearl Harbor.

1953 - Senator Robert Byrd is elected into congress and remains a staunch Democrat until his death in 2010. He was a prominent member in the KKK and praised by Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton.

1955 - Democrat Richard Daley is elected mayor of Chicago. He resisted residential desegregation, defended public school segregation, and used urban renewal funds to build massive public housing projects that kept blacks within existing ghettos.

1957 - The Civil Rights Act of 1957 is passes with 93% Republican support and 59% Democrat support.

1963 - After the assassination of JFK, Lyndon B. Johnson is sworn into office. LBJ was a Democrat remembered by a famous quote: “I’ll have them niggers voting Democrat for the next 200 years.”

1965 - The Voting Rights Act of 1965 passes with 94% Republican support and 73% Democrat support.

1968 - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. is assassinated. MLK voted Republican.

1960-70s - A total of 24 Democratic members of congress switched to become Republican over a 20 year period. The majority of democrats in that time period remained democrats.

1995 - Dreams from My Father by Barack Obama is published. Obama discusses how the urban cities would become the new plantation for blacks under Democrat political bosses: “The plantation, the blacks have the worst jobs, the worst housing, police brutality rampant; but when the so-called black committee man come around election time, we’d all line up and vote the straight Democratic ticket. Sell our souls for a Christmas turkey. White folks spit in our faces, and we reward them with the vote.“

2009 - Hillary Clinton lauds Margaret Sanger, KKK advocate, white supremacist, and eugenicist at the 2009 Planned Parenthood Honors Gala: “I admire Margaret Sanger enormously, her courage, her tenacity, her vision. I am really in awe of her, there are a lot of lessons we can learn from her life.”'

You know what’s happened since then.

The parties never "flipped" on racism. That's an outright lie.
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the link says its a conspiracy theory. Which it is.

The only ones now pressing for segregation are Blacks and BDS.
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The link did not say it is a conspiracy theory.....just the opposite.

What you quoted was one paragraph out of the entire article that said some prefer a different (bottom up) narrative.   Did you even read the link you posted?
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Without racism the Democrat party would cease to exist.

The whole Democrat philosophy is based on one group of people deserving special status over other groups of people.

That is fundamental racism at the very foundation of the whole Democrat party.
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It's only because the leftists have been trying like hell to disavow their history as slavers, KKK organizers, Jim Crow law passers, and basically the party of racism and bigotry, and they want to blame all their own sordid history on the Republicans.  .
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Came to post something similar.
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The link did not say it is a conspiracy theory.....just the opposite.

What you quoted was one paragraph out of the entire article that said some prefer a different (bottom up) narrative.   Did you even read the link you posted?
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the link says its a conspiracy theory. Which it is.

The only ones now pressing for segregation are Blacks and BDS.
The link did not say it is a conspiracy theory.....just the opposite.

What you quoted was one paragraph out of the entire article that said some prefer a different (bottom up) narrative.   Did you even read the link you posted?
The information in the article about it being a conspiracy theory is correct. the link was to give the description (the label) of what the Dems claimed happened and is not in fact what really happened. It's a Democratic conspiracy theory to whitewash the deeds of the past. Strom Thurmond and one other Southern democrat changed political affiliations during the great switch. That should tell you something.

You know Goldwater was an ethnic Jew right?



https://prn.fm/wikipedia-new-technological-mccarthyism-part-1/

Wikipedia is another internet behemoth, and like the other tech giants it is horribly compromised by biases and preferential treatment to private interest groups and extremist ideologies. Wikipedia’s ideological biases and favoritism to communities hiring and recruiting armies of internet trolls we believe has been responsible for ruining the reputations and tainting the careers of numerous people, notably health professionals and academics who fail to live, teach and practice in alignment with Wikipedia’s very narrow scientific criteria of what is deemed as legitimate proven facts. When a belief system becomes a dogma, an ideological doctrine, debate and conversation shut down. Unpopular views on controversial subjects are jeopardized. Or even popular, common sense views are silenced. Only a single message is promoted and opposing positions that have their own body of commendable evidence are blacked out or censored. Very early on, WikiMedia Foundation, the parent organization behind Wikipedia has become possessed by ideology and increasingly manipulates its control over content in specific subjects, discussed below, in a cult-like manner. In short, it is riddled with identity policies.
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All true.  But add asking about the Dixiecrats.
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Where did she teach if you remember?

I honestly might have been one of those 3 students (unless those 3 kids were actually her own children?).

In high school I was one of six white kids left in our graduating class and the class was roughly 1,000 students (it was a Class A school, Mackenzie High School, 1971).

Most of the whites had fled to the lily white suburbs by then because they refused to live with blacks.  We couldn't move because we were way too poor to live out in the suburbs.
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She's one example.

My grandmother moved to Detroit from Tennessee in the 50s and started teaching in detroit after getting her Masters of Education degree. She was working when the race riots kicked off. She promptly moved and started teaching in a lilly white suburb.

At least for her a deciding factor was when the natives got restless and started burning everything to the ground. There were 3 white kids in the school she taught at, and those were her children. She said she felt surrounded and pretty sure they were all going to die during the riots.
Where did she teach if you remember?

I honestly might have been one of those 3 students (unless those 3 kids were actually her own children?).

In high school I was one of six white kids left in our graduating class and the class was roughly 1,000 students (it was a Class A school, Mackenzie High School, 1971).

Most of the whites had fled to the lily white suburbs by then because they refused to live with blacks.  We couldn't move because we were way too poor to live out in the suburbs.
They were my dad, uncle and aunt.  Dad told me they had to fight quite frequently, they walked to and from school as a group. He said my aunt would always carry some type of weapon, then again she did have red hair. She would jump in to help her brothers.
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Conversely why aren’t Democrats proud of their past and now want to erase all evidence of their racism and bigotry?
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One need only start a Civil War thread in GD to see that many of today’s Confederate sympathizers and supporters are on “our” side. One need only see how ugly those threads get to see that this in no way means anyone else flipped the other way. Are the types of people fighting to keep Confederate monuments up more likely to vote for Republicans or Democrats? How about those who want to take them down?

Good luck finding many Confederate Flag waving apologists for the Confederacy voting for Democrats these days.
Conversely why aren’t Democrats proud of their past and now want to erase all evidence of their racism and bigotry?
Why would they be? There’s nothing to be proud of.

And, as long as southern Republicans act as if they uniquely “own” that past by waving their flags and endlessly preaching how the whole late unpleasantness was really a dispute over “states rights,” why should they. People go out of their way to talk about how the Confederate cause was just, and smear Lincoln and those who supported him as big city yankee liberals getting all up in the South’s business, and the people who ushered in the era of big government,

Republicans are their enemy and, as the saying goes, never interrupt your enemy while they are making a mistake.

Lots of information in this thread about the Democrat narrative of the “Southern Strategy” and trying to smear Republican politics as racist. Why would they not revel in watching modern day idiots act in ways that reinforces this? Why would they not love it when Republican Southerners lionize their Democrat ancestors and claim all sorts of nonsense about how Republicans used to be the party of liberals, big city thinkers, and big government? That is precisely the kind of rhetoric that lets Democrats get away with denying their own history, and pinning it on Republicans.
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The Democratic Party’s claim to be the party of the good guys, while the Republicans are the party of the bad guys, hinges on the tale of Richard Nixon’s so-called Southern Strategy. According to this narrative, advanced by progressive historians, Nixon orchestrated a party switch on civil rights by converting the racists in the Democratic Party — the infamous Dixiecrats — into Republicans. And now, according to a recent article in The New Republic, President Trump is the “true heir, the beneficiary of the policies the party has pursued for more than half a century.”

Yes, this story is in the textbooks and on the history channel and regularly repeated in the media, but is it true? First, no one has ever given a single example of an explicitly racist pitch by Nixon during his long career. One might expect that a racist appeal to the Deep South actually would have to be made, and to be understood as such. Yet, quite evidently none was.

So progressives insist that Nixon made a racist “dog whistle” appeal to Deep South voters.  Evidently he spoke to them in a kind of code. Really? Is it plausible that Nixon figured out how to communicate with Deep South racists in a secret language? Do Deep South bigots, like dogs, have some kind of heightened awareness of racial messages — messages that are somehow indecipherable to the media and the rest of the country?

This seems unlikely, but let’s consider the possibility. Progressives insist that Nixon’s appeals to drugs and law and order were coded racist messaging. Yet when Nixon ran for president in 1968 the main issue was the Vietnam War. One popular Republican slogan of the period described the Democrats as the party of “acid, amnesty and abortion.” Clearly there is no suggestion here of race.

Nixon’s references to drugs and law and order in 1968 were quite obviously directed at the antiwar protesters who had just disrupted the Democratic Convention in Chicago. His target was radical activists such as Abbie Hoffman and Bill Ayers. Nixon scorned the hippies, champions of the drug culture such as Timothy Leary, and draft-dodgers who fled to Canada. The vast majority of these people were white.

Nixon had an excellent record on civil rights. He supported the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. He was an avid champion of the desegregation of public schools. The progressive columnist Tom Wicker wrote in the New York Times, “There’s no doubt about it — the Nixon administration accomplished more in 1970 to desegregate Southern school systems than had been done in the 16 previous years or probably since. There’s no doubt either that it was Richard Nixon personally who conceived and led the administration’s desegregation effort.”

Upon his taking office in 1969, Nixon also put into effect America’s first affirmative action program. Dubbed the Philadelphia Plan, it imposed racial goals and timetables on the building trade unions, first in Philadelphia and then elsewhere. Now, would a man seeking to build an electoral base of Deep South white supremacists actually promote the first program to legally discriminate in favor of blacks? This is absurd.

Nixon barely campaigned in the Deep South. His strategy, as outlined by Kevin Phillips in his classic work, “The Emerging Republican Majority,” was to target the Sunbelt, the vast swath of territory stretching from Florida to Nixon’s native California. This included what Phillips terms the Outer or Peripheral South.

Nixon recognized the South was changing. It was becoming more industrialized, with many northerners moving to the Sunbelt. Nixon’s focus, Phillips writes, was on the non-racist, upwardly-mobile, largely urban voters of the Outer or Peripheral South. Nixon won these voters, and he lost the Deep South, which went to Democratic segregationist George Wallace.

And how many racist Dixiecrats did Nixon win for the GOP? Turns out, virtually none. Among the racist Dixiecrats, Strom Thurmond of South Carolina was the sole senator to defect to the Republicans — and he did this long before Nixon’s time. Only one Dixiecrat congressman, Albert Watson of South Carolina, switched to the GOP. The rest, more than 200 Dixiecrat senators, congressmen, governors and high elected officials, all stayed in the Democratic Party.

The progressive notion of a Dixiecrat switch is a myth. Yet it is myth that continues to be promoted, using dubious case examples. Though the late Sens. Jesse Helms of North Carolina and John Tower of Texas and former Mississippi Sen. Trent Lott all switched from the Democratic Party to the GOP, none of these men was a Dixiecrat.

The South, as a whole, became Republican during the 1980s and 1990s. This had nothing to do with Nixon; it was because of Ronald Reagan and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich’s “Contract with America.” The conservative appeal to patriotism, anti-communism, free markets, pro-life and Christianity had far more to do with the South’s movement into the GOP camp than anything related to race.

Yet the myth of Nixon’s Southern Strategy endures — not because it’s true, but because it conveniently serves to exculpate the crimes of the Democratic Party. Somehow the party that promoted slavery, segregation, Jim Crow and racial terrorism gets to wipe its slate clean by pretending that, with Nixon’s connivance, the Republicans stole all their racists. It’s time we recognize this excuse for what it is: one more Democratic big lie.

Dinesh D’Souza is a conservative political commentator, author and filmmaker, and former president of King’s College, New York. His book, “Death of a Nation,” is #5 on the New York Times bestseller list. His movie of the same title is in theaters nationwide.
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Excellent summation, bulldog.

The fact remains that the “Southern Strategy” is their fallback argument.

Leftists and progs who have a unjustifiable and highly overrated opinion of their intellect will invariably bring it up as if it were the boom headshot.

I think this is simply one of the sinister results of the left’s takeover of American education going all the way back to Wilson.
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The information in the article about it being a conspiracy theory is correct. the link was to give the description (the label) of what the Dems claimed happened and is not in fact what really happened. It's a Democratic conspiracy theory to whitewash the deeds of the past. Strom Thurmond and one other Southern democrat changed political affiliations during the great switch. That should tell you something.

You know Goldwater was an ethnic Jew right?
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Dude, the article does not even use the words "conspiracy theory"  That was you.

Read the section you outlined again.......closely.

The "Southern Strategy" refers primarily to "top down" narratives of the political realignment of the South which suggest that Republican leaders consciously appealed to many white Southerners' racial grievances in order to gain their support.[5] This top-down narrative of the Southern Strategy is generally believed to be the primary force that transformed Southern politics following the civil rights era.[6][7] This view has been questioned by historians such as Matthew Lassiter, Kevin M. Kruse and Joseph Crespino, who have presented an alternative, "bottom up" narrative, which Lassiter has called the "suburban strategy". This narrative recognizes the centrality of racial backlash to the political realignment of the South, but suggests that this backlash took the form of a defense of de facto segregation in the suburbs rather than overt resistance to racial integration and that the story of this backlash is a national rather than a strictly Southern one.[9][10][11][12]

Most blacks would consider themselves Republicans up until the 60's.
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Dude, the article does not even use the words "conspiracy theory"  That was you.

Read the section you outlined again.......closely.

The "Southern Strategy" refers primarily to "top down" narratives of the political realignment of the South which suggest that Republican leaders consciously appealed to many white Southerners' racial grievances in order to gain their support.[5] This top-down narrative of the Southern Strategy is generally believed to be the primary force that transformed Southern politics following the civil rights era.[6][7] This view has been questioned by historians such as Matthew Lassiter, Kevin M. Kruse and Joseph Crespino, who have presented an alternative, "bottom up" narrative, which Lassiter has called the "suburban strategy". This narrative recognizes the centrality of racial backlash to the political realignment of the South, but suggests that this backlash took the form of a defense of de facto segregation in the suburbs rather than overt resistance to racial integration and that the story of this backlash is a national rather than a strictly Southern one.[9][10][11][12]

Most blacks would consider themselves Republicans up until the 60's.
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The information in the article about it being a conspiracy theory is correct. the link was to give the description (the label) of what the Dems claimed happened and is not in fact what really happened. It's a Democratic conspiracy theory to whitewash the deeds of the past. Strom Thurmond and one other Southern democrat changed political affiliations during the great switch. That should tell you something.

You know Goldwater was an ethnic Jew right?
Dude, the article does not even use the words "conspiracy theory"  That was you.

Read the section you outlined again.......closely.

The "Southern Strategy" refers primarily to "top down" narratives of the political realignment of the South which suggest that Republican leaders consciously appealed to many white Southerners' racial grievances in order to gain their support.[5] This top-down narrative of the Southern Strategy is generally believed to be the primary force that transformed Southern politics following the civil rights era.[6][7] This view has been questioned by historians such as Matthew Lassiter, Kevin M. Kruse and Joseph Crespino, who have presented an alternative, "bottom up" narrative, which Lassiter has called the "suburban strategy". This narrative recognizes the centrality of racial backlash to the political realignment of the South, but suggests that this backlash took the form of a defense of de facto segregation in the suburbs rather than overt resistance to racial integration and that the story of this backlash is a national rather than a strictly Southern one.[9][10][11][12]

Most blacks would consider themselves Republicans up until the 60's.
It's in the outlined part. It was a 'national' cultural thingy. If you read Sowell books you would know how this works. It had to do with big migrations to the large cities in the midwest and Northeast post- 1865. It wasn't a'Southern' thing. It was the effect of a large under-educated class from predominiantly the South moving into the  larger cities outside of the South in the 1910s and 1920s. The Free Blacks in the North and Midwest were highly integrated around the end of the 1800's and beginning of 1900s. The influx of the uneducated sparked a new form discrimination that was not limited, by any means, to the South.
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huh
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In a backhanded way, that makes a bit of sense.  State's rights vs. Federal supremacy.  On paper, that has flipped somewhat.  In practice, both continue to slide sideways toward .fedgov tyranny.
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The only way I’ve had it remotely explained to me is that before a certain time, The Dem party was for less gov control and the repubs were for more gov control. As far as I understand that is basically the only difference.
In a backhanded way, that makes a bit of sense.  State's rights vs. Federal supremacy.  On paper, that has flipped somewhat.  In practice, both continue to slide sideways toward .fedgov tyranny.
Yeah, us because or reps don’t fight it and the dems yearn for it.
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Party of today.
Now I'm no political scholar and I've had a few beers but that just don't sound right. Is that a correct statement?
I apologize for my ignorance if it is....
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Some idiot tried to tell me the parties flipped in the 50's.
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Democrats say that to try to distance themselves from their racist slave owning heritage.
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Let’s talk some history...

1791 - The Democratic-Republican Party is formed by James Madison and Thomas Jefferson against Alexander Hamilton’s Federalist Party. The Democratic-Republicans strongly opposed government overreach and expansion, the creation of a naTtional bank, and corruption.

1804 - Andrew Jackson purchases the plantation that will become his primary source of wealth.

1824 - The Democratic-Republican Party split. The new Democrats were supported by Andrew Jackson and Martin Van Buren, and the National Republicans were supported by John Quincy Adams and Henry Clay.

1828 - Andrew Jackson is elected President of the United States.

1830 - Andrew Jackson signed the Indian Removal Act, whereby the Cherokee and other native tribes were to be forcibly removed from their lands.

1831 - Cherokee Nation v. Georgia, whereby the Supreme Court ruled that Cherokee Nation was sovereign and the U.S. had no jurisdiction over Cherokee lands. Andrew Jackson had already started to enforce the removal of the Choctaw.

1832-33 - The Whig Party is formed in opposition to Jackson’s government expansion and overreach in the Nullification Crisis and the establishment of a Second National Bank. The Whig Party successfully absorbs the National Republican Party.

1838 - Many Indian tribes had been forcibly removed. Under Jackson, General Winfield Scott and 7,000 soldiers forced the Cherokee from their land at bayonet point while their homes were pillaged. They marched the Cherokee more than 1,200 miles to the allocated Indian territory. About 5,000 Cherokee died on the journey due to starvation and disease.

1854 - The Whig Party dissolves over the question of the expansion of slavery. Anti-slavery Whigs and anti-slavery democrats form the Republican Party with their sole goal being to end slavery.

1861 -The election of President Lincoln spurs the beginning of the Civil War.

1862 - Lincoln writes a letter where he declares he wishes to preserve the union regardless of the morals on slavery. He issues the Emancipation Proclamation, whereby all slaves in Union territories had to be freed. As states came under Union control, those slaves too had to be freed.

1863 - Frederick Douglass, former slave and famous Republican abolitionist, meets with Lincoln on the suffrage of emancipated slaves.

1864 - Lincoln revised his position on slavery in a letter to Albert G. Hodges stating “If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong.”

1865 - Confederate General Robert E. Lee surrenders at the Appomattox Courthouse to Union victory. After Lincoln’s Assassination, Democrat President Johnson issues amnesty to rebels and pardons the slave owners of their crimes.

1865 - The 13th Amendment which ended slavery passed with 100% Republican support and 63% Democrat support in congress.

1866 - The Klu Klux Klan is formed by Confederate veterans to intimidate black and Republicans through violence, lynching, and public floggings. They gave open support to the Democrat Party.

1866 - The Civil Rights Act of 1866 is vetoed by Democratic President Andrew Johnson. Every single Republican voted and overturned the veto.

1868 - The 14th Amendment which gave citizenship to freed slaves passed with 94% Republican support and 0% Democrat support in congress. The first grand wizard of the KKK, Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest is honored at the1968 Democratic National Convention.

1868 - Representative James Hinds who taught newly freedmen of their rights is murdered by the KKK.

1870 - The 15th Amendment which gave freed slaves the right to vote passed with 100% Republican support and 0% Democrat support in congress.

1871 - The violence of the KKK grew so savage that congress passed the Enforcement Acts to repress their influence.

1875 - Democrat Senator William Saulsbury speaks out against the Civil RIghts Act of 1875, claiming it will allow “colored men shall sit at the same table beside the white guest; that he shall enter the same parlor and take his seat beside the wife and daughter of the white man, whether the white man is willing or not, because you prohibit discrimination against him.“

1884 - A train conductor orders Ida B. Wells, a black Republican woman, to give up her seat and move to the smoking car. Wells was an investigative journalist who worked for a Republican journal to expose the horror of lynching. She advocated for the 2nd amendment rights for blacks so that they could protect themselves, and she denounced the Democratic Party for treating blacks as property unequal to whites.

1892 - Democrat Benjamin Tillman is re-elected to the Senate. He was a white supremacist who boasted his participation in lynchings. He is quoted saying that “as long as the Negroes continue to ravish white women we will continue to lynch them.”

1915 - Democrat President Woodrow Wilson screens KKK promotion film Birth of a Nation. The film pictured blacks as ignorant and violent savages, and the Klu Klux Klan as rescuers and protectors of the civilized world. The popularity of the movie revived the Klu Klux Klan which had previously gone extinct. Reportedly Wilson said about the film that “[it] is like writing history with lightning, and my only regret is that it is all so terribly true.”

1919 - The 19th Amendment which officially gave women the right to vote passed with 82% Republican support and 54% Democrat support in congress.

1924 - Thousands of Klansmen attend the 1924 Democratic National Convention.

1933 - The chief Nazi newspaper, Volkischer Beobachter, praised “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” and “the development toward an authoritarian state.”

1933 - Democrat President Franklin Delano Roosevelt passes the Agricultural Adjustment Act with the well-meaning goal to help farmers and sharecroppers. Instead, though it aided white farmers, it resulted in increased unemployment and displacement of black farmers.

1933 - FDR established the National Recovery Administration to stimulate business recovery by forcing employers to pay higher wages for less work. This relief program was enforced on a local level and allowed Jim Crow racism to flourish, resulting in many blacks being fired to be replaced by whites.

1934 - The Federal Housing Administration is introduced under FDR. The FHA made homeownership accessible for whites, but explicitly refused to back loans to black people or even other people who lived near black people.

1936 - The Roosevelt Administration finally begins vying for the black vote. Though the relief programs neglected blacks, their communities were bombarded with advertisements. FDR began to garner black support though the vast majority remained economically unchanged and locked into poverty.

1942 - FDR orders American citizens of Japanese ancestry from their homes into interment camps without due process after the bombings at Pearl Harbor.

1953 - Senator Robert Byrd is elected into congress and remains a staunch Democrat until his death in 2010. He was a prominent member in the KKK and praised by Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton.

1955 - Democrat Richard Daley is elected mayor of Chicago. He resisted residential desegregation, defended public school segregation, and used urban renewal funds to build massive public housing projects that kept blacks within existing ghettos.

1957 - The Civil Rights Act of 1957 is passes with 93% Republican support and 59% Democrat support.

1963 - After the assassination of JFK, Lyndon B. Johnson is sworn into office. LBJ was a Democrat remembered by a famous quote: “I’ll have them niggers voting Democrat for the next 200 years.”

1965 - The Voting Rights Act of 1965 passes with 94% Republican support and 73% Democrat support.

1968 - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. is assassinated. MLK voted Republican.

1960-70s - A total of 24 Democratic members of congress switched to become Republican over a 20 year period. The majority of democrats in that time period remained democrats.

1995 - Dreams from My Father by Barack Obama is published. Obama discusses how the urban cities would become the new plantation for blacks under Democrat political bosses: “The plantation, the blacks have the worst jobs, the worst housing, police brutality rampant; but when the so-called black committee man come around election time, we’d all line up and vote the straight Democratic ticket. Sell our souls for a Christmas turkey. White folks spit in our faces, and we reward them with the vote.“

2009 - Hillary Clinton lauds Margaret Sanger, KKK advocate, white supremacist, and eugenicist at the 2009 Planned Parenthood Honors Gala: “I admire Margaret Sanger enormously, her courage, her tenacity, her vision. I am really in awe of her, there are a lot of lessons we can learn from her life.”'

You know what’s happened since then.

The parties never "flipped" on racism. That's an outright lie.
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I JUST had this conversation with a coworker a few days ago and almost posted a thread asking about it.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHgOLKrscCM
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It boils down to this...the 1960s civil rights movement unseated democrats in public office from the bottom to the top. It wasn't realized fully until Reagan won over the south in 1980.
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Then why did all the South go for Carter in '76, and half of the South go for Clinton in 92?
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My mom used to say that the only color a good Republican sees is green and they want that for everyone.
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There's a lot of Libs that insist that the parties flipped in the middle of the century and the Republicans became the racists and the Democrats the champions of the people.

It's revisionist history, like libs do and hard to counter because it's a falsification in the face of facts. If they believe the bullshit it's because they have chosen to ignore reality, there's not much you can do except call them a liar...which I do.

I think whoever explains this crap to them uses the welfare, abortion angle to "prove" that the dem party is the compassionate party. They just leave the parts as to why they did so out to hide the truth.
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There's a lot of Libs that insist that the parties flipped in the middle of the century and the Republicans became the racists and the Democrats the champions of the people.

It's revisionist history, like libs do and hard to counter because it's a falsification in the face of facts. If they believe the bullshit it's because they have chosen to ignore reality, there's not much you can do except call them a liar...which I do.

I think whoever explains this crap to them uses the welfare, abortion angle to "prove" that the dem party is the compassionate party. They just leave the parts as to why they did so out to hide the truth.
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Can someone give a level headed explanation?
There's a lot of Libs that insist that the parties flipped in the middle of the century and the Republicans became the racists and the Democrats the champions of the people.

It's revisionist history, like libs do and hard to counter because it's a falsification in the face of facts. If they believe the bullshit it's because they have chosen to ignore reality, there's not much you can do except call them a liar...which I do.

I think whoever explains this crap to them uses the welfare, abortion angle to "prove" that the dem party is the compassionate party. They just leave the parts as to why they did so out to hide the truth.
Welfare was nothing more than the democrats re-enslaving the black race.  Except this time, they got a two-fer:  They enslaved those that are on welfare and they enslaved those that pay for it (i.e. the American middle class).

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Dinesh D'Souza lays out pretty well why the racist thing of the Southern Strategy is a lie as well.

https://www.dineshdsouza.com/news/myth-of-nixons-southern-strategy/
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