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Posted: 9/27/2019 4:10:05 PM EST
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Intel Community Secretly Gutted Requirement Of First-Hand Whistleblower Knowledge
Between May 2018 and August 2019, the intelligence community secretly eliminated a requirement that whistleblowers provide direct, first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings. This raises questions about the intelligence community's behavior regarding the August submission of a whistleblower complaint against President Donald Trump. The new complaint document no longer requires potential whistleblowers who wish to have their concerns expedited to Congress to have direct, first-hand knowledge of the alleged wrongdoing that they are reporting. The brand new version of the whistleblower complaint form, which was not made public until after the transcript of Trump's July 25 phone call with the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky and the complaint addressed to Congress were made public, eliminates the first-hand knowledge requirement and allows employees to file whistleblower complaints even if they have zero direct knowledge of underlying evidence and only "heard about [wrongdoing] from others." The internal properties of the newly revised "Disclosure of Urgent Concern" form, which the intelligence community inspector general (ICIG) requires to be submitted under the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA), show that the document was uploaded on September 24, 2019, at 4:25 p.m., just days before the anti-Trump complaint was declassified and released to the public. The markings on the document state that it was revised in August 2019, but no specific date of revision is disclosed. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 4:12:59 PM EST
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Intel Community Secretly Gutted Requirement Of First-Hand Whistleblower Knowledge Between May 2018 and August 2019, the intelligence community secretly eliminated a requirement that whistleblowers provide direct, first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings. This raises questions about the intelligence community's behavior regarding the August submission of a whistleblower complaint against President Donald Trump. The new complaint document no longer requires potential whistleblowers who wish to have their concerns expedited to Congress to have direct, first-hand knowledge of the alleged wrongdoing that they are reporting. The brand new version of the whistleblower complaint form, which was not made public until after the transcript of Trump's July 25 phone call with the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky and the complaint addressed to Congress were made public, eliminates the first-hand knowledge requirement and allows employees to file whistleblower complaints even if they have zero direct knowledge of underlying evidence and only "heard about [wrongdoing] from others." The internal properties of the newly revised "Disclosure of Urgent Concern" form, which the intelligence community inspector general (ICIG) requires to be submitted under the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA), show that the document was uploaded on September 24, 2019, at 4:25 p.m., just days before the anti-Trump complaint was declassified and released to the public. The markings on the document state that it was revised in August 2019, but no specific date of revision is disclosed. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 4:17:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Deep state is fucking deep, cunning and devious. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 4:23:57 PM EST
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Hey, at least after all those failures leading up to 9/11, we now know the FBI and CIA can apparently work together on something.
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Posted: 9/27/2019 4:26:08 PM EST
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I'll give you #1 and #3, but a cunning actor would have made this look like it was policy longer than 2 seconds before a hearsay complaint was submitted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Deep state is fucking deep, cunning and devious. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 4:28:48 PM EST
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I'll give you #1 and #3, but a cunning actor would have made this look like it was policy longer than 2 seconds before a hearsay complaint was submitted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Deep state is fucking deep, cunning and devious. Days later “White House officials told me trump broke the law and covered it up by securing comms with foreign president”. I blow whistle with new form. I’m peach mint! We got him now! What a bunch of horseshit. I pray trumps team has a plan for this and swampy shit gets blown into orbit. This is flat out sedition and treason. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 4:34:49 PM EST
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Quote Historyso anyone can now claim they read something on nyt or washpo, even if it is false, or some white house official (current or otherwise) on a talk show, and report it in a whistle blowing complaint, and it would have to be investigated 
that is why they worded so much of the complaint with heard from, and read. 
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Posted: 9/27/2019 4:36:43 PM EST
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F*k so anyone can now claim they read something on nyt or washpo, even if it is false, or some white house official (current or otherwise) on a talk show, and report it in a whistle blowing complaint, and it would have to be investigated
that is why they worded so much of the complaint with heard from, and read. Quote HistoryQuoted:
F*k so anyone can now claim they read something on nyt or washpo, even if it is false, or some white house official (current or otherwise) on a talk show, and report it in a whistle blowing complaint, and it would have to be investigated
that is why they worded so much of the complaint with heard from, and read. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 4:38:18 PM EST
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F*k so anyone can now claim they read something on nyt or washpo, even if it is false, or some white house official (current or otherwise) on a talk show, and report it in a whistle blowing complaint, and it would have to be investigated
that is why they worded so much of the complaint with heard from, and read. Quote HistoryQuoted:
F*k so anyone can now claim they read something on nyt or washpo, even if it is false, or some white house official (current or otherwise) on a talk show, and report it in a whistle blowing complaint, and it would have to be investigated
that is why they worded so much of the complaint with heard from, and read. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 4:39:46 PM EST
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F*k so anyone can now claim they read something on nyt or washpo, even if it is false, or some white house official (current or otherwise) on a talk show, and report it in a whistle blowing complaint, and it would have to be investigated
that is why they worded so much of the complaint with heard from, and read. Quote HistoryQuoted:
F*k so anyone can now claim they read something on nyt or washpo, even if it is false, or some white house official (current or otherwise) on a talk show, and report it in a whistle blowing complaint, and it would have to be investigated
that is why they worded so much of the complaint with heard from, and read. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 4:42:12 PM EST
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Such a rule would be in place only until another Dem is in office and not a microsecond longer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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F*k so anyone can now claim they read something on nyt or washpo, even if it is false, or some white house official (current or otherwise) on a talk show, and report it in a whistle blowing complaint, and it would have to be investigated
that is why they worded so much of the complaint with heard from, and read. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 4:58:02 PM EST
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Posted: 9/27/2019 5:07:24 PM EST
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This is why. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 5:18:00 PM EST
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Everyone who says "nothing is going to happen". This is why. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is why. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 5:22:33 PM EST
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Dems are going after Pence now trying to get a President Pelosi
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/sarahmimms/maxine-waters-pence-barr-ukraine-trump-impeachment |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 5:28:06 PM EST
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Dems are going after Pence now trying to get a President Pelosi https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/sarahmimms/maxine-waters-pence-barr-ukraine-trump-impeachment |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 5:37:28 PM EST
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Jesus, it is a coup. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dems are going after Pence now trying to get a President Pelosi https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/sarahmimms/maxine-waters-pence-barr-ukraine-trump-impeachment |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 5:40:35 PM EST
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Jesus, it is a coup. I mean besides the bloody riots guaranteed that would follow afterward, anything else to stop that? |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 6:29:34 PM EST
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Speaking of which, could a D simple majority in both house and Senate completely remove the president and vice such that the house speaker gets the big seat?? I mean besides the bloody riots guaranteed that would follow afterward, anything else to stop that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jesus, it is a coup. I mean besides the bloody riots guaranteed that would follow afterward, anything else to stop that?
Their media will excusify anything. Their Hawaii Judges will sign off on anything. Their base will believe anything. The first limit they've ever seen is working class voters flopping on them to vote in the PussyTape guy -in some part because we knew it was a collective bitchslap to the idea that they have unchecked power. We took away the one thing Hillary always wanted and felt entitled to. 
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Posted: 9/27/2019 7:02:50 PM EST
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Speaking of which, could a D simple majority in both house and Senate completely remove the president and vice such that the house speaker gets the big seat?? I mean besides the bloody riots guaranteed that would follow afterward, anything else to stop that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jesus, it is a coup. I mean besides the bloody riots guaranteed that would follow afterward, anything else to stop that? |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 7:11:40 PM EST
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Speaking of which, could a D simple majority in both house and Senate completely remove the president and vice such that the house speaker gets the big seat?? I mean besides the bloody riots guaranteed that would follow afterward, anything else to stop that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jesus, it is a coup. I mean besides the bloody riots guaranteed that would follow afterward, anything else to stop that? 2/3s majority in the Senate to convict. Ain't no way in hell they can do that once, let alone twice. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 7:20:25 PM EST
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Two thirds for impeachment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jesus, it is a coup. I mean besides the bloody riots guaranteed that would follow afterward, anything else to stop that? |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 8:30:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No no no... 2/3s majority in the Senate to convict. Ain't no way in hell they can do that once, let alone twice. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 8:33:06 PM EST
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Yeah not now, but constitutionally/legally, is there anything to prevent that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: No no no... 2/3s majority in the Senate to convict. Ain't no way in hell they can do that once, let alone twice. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 8:37:05 PM EST
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Dems are going after Pence now trying to get a President Pelosi https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/sarahmimms/maxine-waters-pence-barr-ukraine-trump-impeachment as if the same people that would forcibly remove Trump from office wouldn't also go after his VP Barr is a Bush-era guy that met the senate's approval and the Democrats are going after him too |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 8:41:49 PM EST
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there are retards on this site that seriously entertained the fantasy of a president Pence after a Trump impeachment as if the same people that would forcibly remove Trump from office wouldn't also go after his VP Barr is a Bush-era guy that met the senate's approval and the Democrats are going after him too Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dems are going after Pence now trying to get a President Pelosi https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/sarahmimms/maxine-waters-pence-barr-ukraine-trump-impeachment as if the same people that would forcibly remove Trump from office wouldn't also go after his VP Barr is a Bush-era guy that met the senate's approval and the Democrats are going after him too |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 9:20:47 PM EST
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If they could actually muster the votes to do it, no. But they won't. Likely they won't even actually try to do it once -- the prospect of President Pence should be absolutely terrifying to them. He makes Trump look like a left wing communist. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: No no no... 2/3s majority in the Senate to convict. Ain't no way in hell they can do that once, let alone twice. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 9:25:12 PM EST
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If they can remove T$, they'd also then get rid of pence. Since it's a deep state coup. Then do they get Nancy as president? Again, all hypothetical, wou!d that then get Nancy in? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: No no no... 2/3s majority in the Senate to convict. Ain't no way in hell they can do that once, let alone twice. But they simply can't. Pence is more dangerous to them than Trump. This is posturing for the election, and they've badly miscalculated. Something you all are forgetting here -- if there's an impeachment, then there's a trial in the Senate, presided over by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and then Trump -- represented by Giuliani most likely, gets to put the democrats on trial for his defense. How do you think that's going to turn out for the dems? Keep in mind you need close to 20 Republican senators to turn, and that's career suicide for many of them. They simply won't do it. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 9:37:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In the hypothetical that they could do that, yes. But they simply can't. Pence is more dangerous to them than Trump. This is posturing for the election, and they've badly miscalculated. Something you all are forgetting here -- if there's an impeachment, then there's a trial in the Senate, presided over by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and then Trump -- represented by Giuliani most likely, gets to put the democrats on trial for his defense. How do you think that's going to turn out for the dems? Keep in mind you need close to 20 Republican senators to turn, and that's career suicide for many of them. They simply won't do it. I fear shenanigans. 
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Posted: 9/27/2019 9:43:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So long as the votes are public, yeah... I fear shenanigans. and the IC whistleblower guidelines were changed and there may be rino senators willing to vote yes on impeachment if it is held in a secret ballot what is there to stop them from ignoring decades of protocol over the vote for impeachment and removal in the senate?
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Posted: 9/27/2019 9:43:50 PM EST
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So long as the votes are public, yeah... I fear shenanigans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: In the hypothetical that they could do that, yes. But they simply can't. Pence is more dangerous to them than Trump. This is posturing for the election, and they've badly miscalculated. Something you all are forgetting here -- if there's an impeachment, then there's a trial in the Senate, presided over by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and then Trump -- represented by Giuliani most likely, gets to put the democrats on trial for his defense. How do you think that's going to turn out for the dems? Keep in mind you need close to 20 Republican senators to turn, and that's career suicide for many of them. They simply won't do it. I fear shenanigans. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 9:44:53 PM EST
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well, since pelosi changed the rules concerning starting an impeachment investigation and the IC whistleblower guidelines were changed and there may be rino senators willing to vote yes on impeachment if it is held in a secret ballot what is there to stop them from ignoring decades of protocol over the vote for impeachment and removal in the senate? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: So long as the votes are public, yeah... I fear shenanigans. and the IC whistleblower guidelines were changed and there may be rino senators willing to vote yes on impeachment if it is held in a secret ballot what is there to stop them from ignoring decades of protocol over the vote for impeachment and removal in the senate? |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 9:51:43 PM EST
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Jesus, it is a coup. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 9:54:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Secret ballot? What color is the sky in your world? There would be riots in the streets. I dunno. The past eight years since Benghazi have been weird. The strange events seem to be happening more often. 
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Posted: 9/27/2019 9:57:41 PM EST
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Since I brought up this tangent... I do not disagree. However, the shear ludicrous nature of these "allegations" show how desperate "they" are. I mean, look at the the media. They have been spinning this for the TDS crowd full hog. If we are where we are now, I am not seeing it being much of a stretch for them to go a "little further." I dunno. The past eight years since Benghazi have been weird. The strange events seem to be happening more often. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Secret ballot? What color is the sky in your world? There would be riots in the streets. I dunno. The past eight years since Benghazi have been weird. The strange events seem to be happening more often. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 9:59:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Secret ballot? What color is the sky in your world? There would be riots in the streets. but it seems flake and some others were talking about how they thought there were 30-35 republicans that would support impeachment if it was a secret ballot which seems to indicate they are putting out feelers, to see what kind of support there would be to do this as some kind of secret star chamber vote |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 10:02:19 PM EST
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I know how it is suppose to work.... but it seems flake and some others were talking about how they thought there were 30-35 republicans that would support impeachment if it was a secret ballot which seems to indicate they are putting out feelers, to see what kind of support there would be to do this as some kind of secret star chamber vote I can only pay attention to this on a minimal level due to my schedule. That I (sort of) called this is a bad sign. 
They MUST be at least considering it. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 10:03:50 PM EST
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I know how it is suppose to work.... but it seems flake and some others were talking about how they thought there were 30-35 republicans that would support impeachment if it was a secret ballot which seems to indicate they are putting out feelers, to see what kind of support there would be to do this as some kind of secret star chamber vote Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Secret ballot? What color is the sky in your world? There would be riots in the streets. but it seems flake and some others were talking about how they thought there were 30-35 republicans that would support impeachment if it was a secret ballot which seems to indicate they are putting out feelers, to see what kind of support there would be to do this as some kind of secret star chamber vote |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 10:10:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Deep state is fucking deep, cunning and devious. |
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Posted: 9/27/2019 10:27:27 PM EST
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You people who believe in this stuff give us too much credit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Deep state is fucking deep, cunning and devious. Just say'n... |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 6:27:48 AM EST
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Basically, I guess the NYT wrote the new policy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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F*k so anyone can now claim they read something on nyt or washpo, even if it is false, or some white house official (current or otherwise) on a talk show, and report it in a whistle blowing complaint, and it would have to be investigated
that is why they worded so much of the complaint with heard from, and read.
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Posted: 9/28/2019 6:36:10 AM EST
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This is a plot by the former inhabitants of the DNI's office to overthrow the president. It's a CIA agent's fraudulent complaint, made in conjunction with willing co-conspirators at the highest levels of government with the assistance of the democrat party, and their elected officials.
It's sedition at the very least, and a violation of their oaths of office to protect and defend the constitution. They are the "domestic enemies" of our nation. And, ironically, they announced that the penalty for treason should be death. The CIA has been infiltrated by the deep state, and can not be trusted. It has to be shut down, and it's functions absorbed by other agencies. As for the democrat traitors, we have a judicial system that does not function, riddled with DS operatives and dependent on a jury pool of minority voters in Washington, D.C., all democrats. No chance of Justice there. Military tribunals for treason. It's the only way to repair the damage and provide Justice. |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 6:47:31 AM EST
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This is a plot by the former inhabitants of the DNI's office to overthrow the president. It's a CIA agent's fraudulent complaint, made in conjunction with willing co-conspirators at the highest levels of government with the assistance of the democrat party, and their elected officials. It's sedition at the very least, and a violation of their oaths of office to protect and defend the constitution. They are the "domestic enemies" of our nation. And, ironically, they announced that the penalty for treason should be death. The CIA has been infiltrated by the deep state, and can not be trusted. It has to be shut down, and it's functions absorbed by other agencies. As for the democrat traitors, we have a judicial system that does not function, riddled with DS operatives and dependent on a jury pool of minority voters in Washington, D.C., all democrats. No chance of Justice there. Military tribunals for treason. It's the only way to repair the damage and provide Justice. 
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Posted: 9/28/2019 6:53:13 AM EST
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Sounds like they were just looking for a way to wrap something "official" sounding around their unfounded lies, yet still be shielded from any legal entanglements. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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F*k so anyone can now claim they read something on nyt or washpo, even if it is false, or some white house official (current or otherwise) on a talk show, and report it in a whistle blowing complaint, and it would have to be investigated
that is why they worded so much of the complaint with heard from, and read. |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 10:49:03 AM EST
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Which is exactly why Comey (and crew) bypassed people like you when they "up-voted" the dossier outside normal channels. Just say'n... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Deep state is fucking deep, cunning and devious. Just say'n... Reminder: on and about russia they had fucking nothing. Literally nothing. If they had anything at all, we would have seen it. They spied on him, tried to push pull information, AND got special investigations. Nothing. They spied on him period. Years later we have still yet to see anything compelling enough to even start an investigation to begin with. Their hope is that they would have found some other crime and impeached him for it. We got Stormy instead.
If they found ANYTHING this all would have gone away. They didn't. |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 12:21:28 PM EST
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Devin Nunes was trying to tell us once upon a time that the stuff about "Trump and Russia" got into whitehouse Presidential briefings. Unless I'm mistaken, if I am someone chime in please. Reminder: on and about russia they had fucking nothing. Literally nothing. If they had anything at all, we would have seen it. They spied on him, tried to push pull information, AND got special investigations. Nothing. They spied on him period. Years later we have still yet to see anything compelling enough to even start an investigation to begin with. Their hope is that they would have found some other crime and impeached him for it. We got Stormy instead.
If they found ANYTHING this all would have gone away. They didn't. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Deep state is fucking deep, cunning and devious. Just say'n... Reminder: on and about russia they had fucking nothing. Literally nothing. If they had anything at all, we would have seen it. They spied on him, tried to push pull information, AND got special investigations. Nothing. They spied on him period. Years later we have still yet to see anything compelling enough to even start an investigation to begin with. Their hope is that they would have found some other crime and impeached him for it. We got Stormy instead.
If they found ANYTHING this all would have gone away. They didn't. |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 2:40:28 PM EST
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Posted: 9/28/2019 3:40:53 PM EST
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One of the most frustrating things about this is knowing how different the media reaction would be if this kind of stuff was being carried out against Obama by Bush era people.
It'd be treated as a 'Graphite on the rooftop' level event, the biggest political scandal in the history of the US and possible the world. |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 3:53:24 PM EST
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Two thirds for impeachment. 20 is not a huge number when you figure Never Trumpers, weak GOPe, open border Chamber of Commerce lackeys, and those that can be blackmailed or otherwise compromised... Yea...it is not an insurmountable number... |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 3:56:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can't really play this game in private. It simply doesn't work that way. The old rules don't apply as the left continues to remind us daily. |
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