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Posted: 7/23/2018 12:39:43 AM EDT
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And yet And yet on 9-11 less then 20 guys managed to murder 3000 Americans and alter the course of the nation's history. Check out Naporter's post. "He gets it". In all of the incidents he mentions authorities responded with a great deal of resources and they still had trouble running their guy to ground, Now imagine if there were 10 similar situations going on at the same time in the same general region. Now authorities don't have huge amounts of resources to devote to each incident. There are only so many crime labs, helicopters, SWAT teams etc to go around. It would not take a lot of people to create a lot of chaos. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, everyone thinks their field is vulnerable and fragile. CARVER-S But America is the most resilient country on earth with the most developed self defense forces and an intel capability not to be sneezed at. And yet on 9-11 less then 20 guys managed to murder 3000 Americans and alter the course of the nation's history. Check out Naporter's post. "He gets it". In all of the incidents he mentions authorities responded with a great deal of resources and they still had trouble running their guy to ground, Now imagine if there were 10 similar situations going on at the same time in the same general region. Now authorities don't have huge amounts of resources to devote to each incident. There are only so many crime labs, helicopters, SWAT teams etc to go around. It would not take a lot of people to create a lot of chaos. What's your point, besides accidentally showing how terrorism in the US is met by overwhelming response when there is strong leadership? |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 12:40:32 AM EDT
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You make a valid point. When President Kamala Harris and Vice President Octavio-Cortez get sworn in, the Super Patriots won't have a prayer when they send Mother Green's Killing Machines. I wonder how many are itching for the chance to waste a bunch of contemptible, worthless, cowardly internet commandos. At least one I'd bet. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 12:40:59 AM EDT
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Your posting this, and your follow on replies, make it sort of sound like you think... The opposing force doesn't have the same dramatic deep seated knowledge you do. When in reality, our nation through doing EXACTLY what your'e talking about, fighting sharpshooters and saboteurs in cities, has LITERALLY written the book about modern COIN/ 4GW. And while the .mil may have plenty of experience handling insurgency, first responders and state/local governments have never had to deal with it. The feds will be too busy fighting itself or dealing with the major issues to address guerillas. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 12:41:01 AM EDT
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Key word: MAJOR Excavators hit distribution lines all the time. Main lines (large lines carrying higher volumes at higher pressures) are usually run through more remote areas specifically to prevent that from happening. Here’s an example of what it looks like when one of those is accidentally damaged. (I don’t remember the details of how this one happened).  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7Sjl_x3fs0Repaired in less than 48 hours |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 12:49:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll do whatever whos willing to pay me the best wants. 
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Posted: 7/23/2018 1:03:00 AM EDT
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What the frack is OP writing and raving about?  Is he thinking there is going to be a zombie apocalypse or a cannibal holocaust?  Or, that Red Dawn is coming to his region of the US and Putin is readying his troops in conjunction with the Cuban military for the upcoming invasion???  |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 1:08:57 AM EDT
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What the frack is OP writing and raving about? Is he thinking there is going to be a zombie apocalypse or a cannibal holocaust? Or, that Red Dawn is coming to his region of the US and Putin is readying his troops in conjunction with the Cuban military for the upcoming invasion??? have you looked out your window instead? Or walked around town? Does it look ANYTHING like this newspaper and TV thing you're talking about? It's like you people forget that there's a HUGE majority of people that won't stand for open conflict for EITHER sides extremists. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 1:11:56 AM EDT
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Key word: MAJOR Excavators hit distribution lines all the time. Main lines (large lines carrying higher volumes at higher pressures) are usually run through more remote areas specifically to prevent that from happening. Here's an example of what it looks like when one of those is accidentally damaged. (I don't remember the details of how this one happened). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7Sjl_x3fs0Repaired in less than 48 hours I don't know why but it's like instinct to pick up big chunks of shrap to try to keep as a souvenir. shit's hot!!! |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 1:15:50 AM EDT
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If it comes to Blood the lefties are fighting for some grandiose idea (lie) of socialism as a utopia. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 1:18:48 AM EDT
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https://78.media.tumblr.com/0cbab1f54b2b93638fc68fedcec0dd94/tumblr_mwwskrLIdj1rziwwco1_500.gif I had to put down some cats too.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Damn dirty commies. I'll bring my attack cat, he'll eat their stupid faces off. I had to put down some cats too. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 1:19:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think you underestimate the number of them that are just pieces of shit that want to rape, pillage, and control. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 1:33:21 AM EDT
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I'll do whatever whos willing to pay me the best wants. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You make a valid point. When President Kamala Harris and Vice President Octavio-Cortez get sworn in, the Super Patriots won't have a prayer when they send Mother Green's Killing Machines. I wonder how many are itching for the chance to waste a bunch of contemptible, worthless, cowardly internet commandos. At least one I'd bet. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 1:48:53 AM EDT
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Right. We were studying "Political Warfare" at Coronado in the early 80s and we had learned a lot form our experiences in the Far East, French experience in the Far East and Africa, British experience in the Far East and other colonial and Irish experiences, the Far East and Africa, ;ong term political experiences in Europe and Central and South America. That guy so popular on the red t-shirt and his buddies wrote their manuals, our leftists wrote their manuals, we've studied and fought with or against all of them. Our fighters have come home and many are in L.E. or are first responders. Academics have studied the dynamics of political warfare, they've worked their models, trained their students, published their papers. Cities have trained with counties, counties with states, states with feds, and all kinds of mixes.
OMG, look at the Boston Marathon. It was messy, but they ran those guys to ground how quickly? 9-11? 20 guys. All dead the first day. Dorner? Didn't shut down California. He was a crazy jerk who decided trying to kill some particular cops/folks he didn't like. He was a crackpot and didn't do what he could have and didn't plan or if he had a plan, didn't execute it very well. But if you get past hysterics in places like GD, he was decidedly unsuccessful in actually getting to the people he'd threatened. Was it a tad messy? Yes. But if you look at it, he wasn't a Robin Hood, or a folk hero. The people weren't supporting him. The mass of the populace, in fact, was against him. He didn't have a gang or gangs helping him, no organization, no safe houses, no support, no money, nothing. Could a few yahoos make things a little unpleasant for a while? Sure. But there are years and years of experiences with that kind of "insurgency" on the books and plenty of experience with what works and doesn't both for them and against them. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 2:18:40 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/23/2018 2:41:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well how are they gonna take over since we have such dedicated super patriots like yourself here to fight the good fight? WTF is your problem |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 2:47:05 AM EDT
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Thus dispensing with notions of honor, service and loyalty. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 2:48:01 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/23/2018 2:49:20 AM EDT
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poly abhors violence. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 3:25:20 AM EDT
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Thus dispensing with notions of honor, service and loyalty. At least I have completed at least one term of service while you bitched out in boot camp and then went on to post about shit like honor service and loyalty. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 3:26:22 AM EDT
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Elections WTF is your problem I am 100% certain you would just be here bitching if Hillary won instead of Trump. Besides anyone who is actually planning shit isn't talking about it on an open forum to look cool on the internet. Dudes that are really all about it don't post online on how they're all about it. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 11:06:00 AM EDT
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Why not strike first then? I am 100% certain you would just be here bitching if Hillary won instead of Trump. Besides anyone who is actually planning shit isn't talking about it on an open forum to look cool on the internet. Dudes that are really all about it don't post online on how they're all about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Elections WTF is your problem I am 100% certain you would just be here bitching if Hillary won instead of Trump. Besides anyone who is actually planning shit isn't talking about it on an open forum to look cool on the internet. Dudes that are really all about it don't post online on how they're all about it. "If it comes to blood"... it's already came to blood, the left is funding/ pushing it's extremists to use violence, sounds like OP should be on that shit already. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 11:20:44 AM EDT
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I certainly hope it never comes to that.
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Posted: 7/23/2018 11:26:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryDo you think antifa will get multiple semis of explosives? Do you think any hostile actor will get multiple semis of explosives in the US? |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 12:48:35 PM EDT
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And we literally fucked the bulk of the worlds expeditionary anti-american terrorists to death over it. Then we trained the people in the nations we did that in how to continued fucking them to death, and with out bloddy shit covered dick, prevented it from happeneing again. What's your point, besides accidentally showing how terrorism in the US is met by overwhelming response when there is strong leadership? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, everyone thinks their field is vulnerable and fragile. CARVER-S But America is the most resilient country on earth with the most developed self defense forces and an intel capability not to be sneezed at. And yet on 9-11 less then 20 guys managed to murder 3000 Americans and alter the course of the nation's history. Check out Naporter's post. "He gets it". In all of the incidents he mentions authorities responded with a great deal of resources and they still had trouble running their guy to ground, Now imagine if there were 10 similar situations going on at the same time in the same general region. Now authorities don't have huge amounts of resources to devote to each incident. There are only so many crime labs, helicopters, SWAT teams etc to go around. It would not take a lot of people to create a lot of chaos. What's your point, besides accidentally showing how terrorism in the US is met by overwhelming response when there is strong leadership? Those guys we trained, are you talking about these guys jumping jacks or the guys lying on the ground here? 
Because if someone is getting fucked to death in that picture I'm pretty sure it is the guys the US trained, shit covered dicks all around though. My point about 9-11 is that our "most developed self defense forces and an intel capability not to be sneezed at." was worth precisely dick on 09/11/01. Well it did add insult to injury. Spend more on defense then any other nation, your loved ones get killed by some whack job with a box cutter. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 12:51:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We did? So there are less Islamic terrorists today then on 09/10/01? Here I thought AQ's whole objective was to get the US to deploy troops to Afghanistan so they could wage an insurgency against them for a decade or two. Those guys we trained, are you talking about these guys jumping jacks or the guys lying on the ground here?https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/140615125244-isis-0615-horizontal-large-gallery.jpeg Because if someone is getting fucked to death in that picture I'm pretty sure it is the guys the US trained, shit covered dicks all around though. My point about 9-11 is that our "most developed self defense forces and an intel capability not to be sneezed at." was worth precisely dick on 09/11/01. Well it did add insult to injury. Spend more on defense then any other nation, your loved ones get killed by some whack job with a box cutter. Wait when was that again? |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 12:55:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/23/2018 12:56:00 PM EDT
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These Lefties will fight like terrorists with IEDs.
Many innocents will die. It wont be a conventional war. Don't kid yourself they wont be dangerous. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 12:58:39 PM EDT
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I think balkanization is the future. Every conservative i know moved to Utah, Arizona, Texas, Wyoming or Idaho when they retired.
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Posted: 7/23/2018 12:59:05 PM EDT
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@Naporter Do you think antifa will get multiple semis of explosives? Do you think any hostile actor will get multiple semis of explosives in the US? It would probably take them a long time to do but I don’t doubt that a determined group could make enough HME to fill a couple semi trailers full |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 1:01:34 PM EDT
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These Lefties will fight like terrorists with IEDs. Many innocents will die. It wont be a conventional war. Don't kid yourself they wont be dangerous. You’re a moron with your head in the sand if you don’t think a determined enemy with a goal they’re willing to die for aren’t dangerous. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 1:09:07 PM EDT
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They may kill me, but if I die, I'll die in a pile of spent brass and dead communists.
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Posted: 7/23/2018 1:10:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Eh it’s not like HMEs are too difficult to make. It would probably take them a long time to do but I don’t doubt that a determined group could make enough HME to fill a couple semi trailers full Arf doesn’t use that much tannerite. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 1:10:49 PM EDT
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They may kill me, but if I die, I'll die in a pile of spent brass and dead communists. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 1:34:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not strike first then? I am 100% certain you would just be here bitching if Hillary won instead of Trump. Besides anyone who is actually planning shit isn't talking about it on an open forum to look cool on the internet. Dudes that are really all about it don't post online on how they're all about it.Not planning, I have an idea in my head of a plan , everyone should have some plan |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 2:27:38 PM EDT
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Whatever MR RE-4. At least I have completed at least one term of service while you bitched out in boot camp and then went on to post about shit like honor service and loyalty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thus dispensing with notions of honor, service and loyalty. At least I have completed at least one term of service while you bitched out in boot camp and then went on to post about shit like honor service and loyalty. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 5:25:05 PM EDT
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I remember when they won too Wait when was that again? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: We did? So there are less Islamic terrorists today then on 09/10/01? Here I thought AQ's whole objective was to get the US to deploy troops to Afghanistan so they could wage an insurgency against them for a decade or two. Those guys we trained, are you talking about these guys jumping jacks or the guys lying on the ground here?https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/140615125244-isis-0615-horizontal-large-gallery.jpeg Because if someone is getting fucked to death in that picture I'm pretty sure it is the guys the US trained, shit covered dicks all around though. My point about 9-11 is that our "most developed self defense forces and an intel capability not to be sneezed at." was worth precisely dick on 09/11/01. Well it did add insult to injury. Spend more on defense then any other nation, your loved ones get killed by some whack job with a box cutter. Wait when was that again? If I was ISIS I would sure as hell put that one in the win column. 1500 vs 30000 and they end up on their knees being executed and then having their bodies thrown into a river. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 5:42:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That picture I posted. That's ISIS executing a bunch of Iraqi soldiers after they took Mosul. The soldiers had stripped off their uniforms and tried to run for it as fleeing civilians... they didn't make it. According to wikipedia "On 4 June, the insurgents began their efforts to capture Mosul. The Iraqi army had 30,000 soldiers and another 30,000 federal police stationed in the city, facing a 1,500-member attacking force. However, after six days of fighting, the city, Mosul International Airport, and the helicopters located there all fell under ISIL's control." If I was ISIS I would sure as hell put that one in the win column. 1500 vs 30000 and they end up on their knees being executed and then having their bodies thrown into a river. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 7:18:48 PM EDT
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Wow yeah that’s a relevant win when discussing insurgency in the US. I can’t believe I missed it. Slipped right under my nose. Wait, which US state was it in again? If you are asking when the last time insurgent tactics were effective in the US, well we haven't had a significant sustained armed conflict in the continental United States sine the 1860's. Both sides had groups that used guerrilla tactics. I guess you could throw the Indian wars in there but my knowledge about that is minimal. Are you thinking that insurgent tactics don't work or that they can't work in the US? Legit question, not being sarcastic. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 8:14:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You asked when the Islamic Insurgents I was referencing had won. I pointed out the guys in the photo had taken over a major city held by a vastly superior force. A force mostly supplied and trained by the US. If you are asking when the last time insurgent tactics were effective in the US, well we haven't had a significant sustained armed conflict in the continental United States sine the 1860's. Both sides had groups that used guerrilla tactics. I guess you could throw the Indian wars in there but my knowledge about that is minimal. Are you thinking that insurgent tactics don't work or that they can't work in the US? Legit question, not being sarcastic. We kill thousands of insurgents every month (sometimes weekly) in the GWOT. Meh. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 8:16:53 PM EDT
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Whatever MR RE-4. At least I have completed at least one term of service while you bitched out in boot camp and then went on to post about shit like honor service and loyalty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thus dispensing with notions of honor, service and loyalty. At least I have completed at least one term of service while you bitched out in boot camp and then went on to post about shit like honor service and loyalty. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 8:29:15 PM EDT
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We did? So there are less Islamic terrorists today then on 09/10/01? Here I thought AQ's whole objective was to get the US to deploy troops to Afghanistan so they could wage an insurgency against them for a decade or two. Those guys we trained, are you talking about these guys jumping jacks or the guys lying on the ground here?https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/140615125244-isis-0615-horizontal-large-gallery.jpeg Because if someone is getting fucked to death in that picture I'm pretty sure it is the guys the US trained, shit covered dicks all around though. My point about 9-11 is that our "most developed self defense forces and an intel capability not to be sneezed at." was worth precisely dick on 09/11/01. Well it did add insult to injury. Spend more on defense then any other nation, your loved ones get killed by some whack job with a box cutter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, everyone thinks their field is vulnerable and fragile. CARVER-S But America is the most resilient country on earth with the most developed self defense forces and an intel capability not to be sneezed at. And yet on 9-11 less then 20 guys managed to murder 3000 Americans and alter the course of the nation's history. Check out Naporter's post. "He gets it". In all of the incidents he mentions authorities responded with a great deal of resources and they still had trouble running their guy to ground, Now imagine if there were 10 similar situations going on at the same time in the same general region. Now authorities don't have huge amounts of resources to devote to each incident. There are only so many crime labs, helicopters, SWAT teams etc to go around. It would not take a lot of people to create a lot of chaos. What's your point, besides accidentally showing how terrorism in the US is met by overwhelming response when there is strong leadership? Those guys we trained, are you talking about these guys jumping jacks or the guys lying on the ground here?https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/140615125244-isis-0615-horizontal-large-gallery.jpeg Because if someone is getting fucked to death in that picture I'm pretty sure it is the guys the US trained, shit covered dicks all around though. My point about 9-11 is that our "most developed self defense forces and an intel capability not to be sneezed at." was worth precisely dick on 09/11/01. Well it did add insult to injury. Spend more on defense then any other nation, your loved ones get killed by some whack job with a box cutter. Anyways, you run your mouth about 9-11, what was the next major attack topping it? |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 8:31:26 PM EDT
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When it comes to gunfights, the reason you originally wanted to fight disappears. You are then fighting to save your ass. No exceptions. But some of us are willing to do this more than once. Incidentally scorched earth is what will win. Southern boys take no offense but Sherman's March to the Sea is what broke the will to fight of the South. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 8:35:25 PM EDT
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Libtards dont go for a stand up fight, so you can put your pmag lids back on. Look at the late '60's and early '70's as an example of how these cowardly assholes operate. Weather underground, Symbionese Liberation Army, and a bunch of other assholes committed hundreds of bombings and robberies. I expect the current crop of scum will operate similarly. Truth is nobody fights a guerrilla war better than a leftist. Trump won my fighting dirty. Learn from him. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 8:37:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/23/2018 8:41:47 PM EDT
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I think ANTIFA isn't not capable or willing to use insurgent tactics as described in the US and if they did they would lose quickly as America united against them. We kill thousands of insurgents every month (sometimes weekly) in the GWOT. Meh. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You asked when the Islamic Insurgents I was referencing had won. I pointed out the guys in the photo had taken over a major city held by a vastly superior force. A force mostly supplied and trained by the US. If you are asking when the last time insurgent tactics were effective in the US, well we haven't had a significant sustained armed conflict in the continental United States sine the 1860's. Both sides had groups that used guerrilla tactics. I guess you could throw the Indian wars in there but my knowledge about that is minimal. Are you thinking that insurgent tactics don't work or that they can't work in the US? Legit question, not being sarcastic. We kill thousands of insurgents every month (sometimes weekly) in the GWOT. Meh. Fighting an insurgency overseas is very different from fighting one at home composed of your own people. Think about how effective the Iraqi and Afghan armies are. Putting aside all the inbred goatfucker stuff, they can't be very effective when most units have guys in them that are actually loyal to the insurgents and feeding them info. We are talking about armies where the soldiers weren't allowed to have phones prior to operations because their leaders are afraid they might call the bad guys to give them a heads up. That's the kind of shit you have to deal with when fighting an insurgency in your own country. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 8:46:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope you are right but I think you may be wrong about their capabilities and willingness. There was a recent thread about some guy who had an Antifa banner or clothing in his apartment along with pipe bombs and a homemade suppressor. I seem to recall some "occupiers" getting busted for a conspiracy to try to blow up a bridge. While their capabilities may be limited their willingness to use insurgent or terrorist tactics seem to be growing. I agree they will generally get stomped if they do anything past street level violence. Though in some areas local officials have a tolerance of them similar to the KKK and some local authorities back in the 50's or 60's. Fighting an insurgency overseas is very different from fighting one at home composed of your own people. Think about how effective the Iraqi and Afghan armies are. Putting aside all the inbred goatfucker stuff, they can't be very effective when most units have guys in them that are actually loyal to the insurgents and feeding them info. We are talking about armies where the soldiers weren't allowed to have phones prior to operations because their leaders are afraid they might call the bad guys to give them a heads up. That's the kind of shit you have to deal with when fighting an insurgency in your own country. And the US is large enough to bring in troops from elsewhere who aren't sympathetic, assuming the local LEO were sympathetic to ANTIFA. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 8:46:51 PM EDT
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We're almost finished our latest list of conservative nursing home voters. Since they can’t physically make it to the polls, they vote absentee.
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Posted: 7/23/2018 8:49:55 PM EDT
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The most successful move either side could make at this point is to prod the other side to actually attack innocents.
No, Charlottesville, Portland, whatever else weren't innocents. They went looking for trouble and they found it on both sides. And bike locks aren't complex ambushes or IEDs. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 8:57:25 PM EDT
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I've seen the elephant, you don't want to see the elephant here in the US. It would be horrible beyond words, but God damnit, if I'm forced to I'll face the elephant again to preserve life and liberty.
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Posted: 7/23/2018 9:08:42 PM EDT
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I've seen the elephant, you don't want to see the elephant here in the US. It would be horrible beyond words, but God damnit, if I'm forced to I'll face the elephant again to preserve life and liberty. |
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