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Posted: 9/21/2023 12:38:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe ask Ukrainians what they think? Ukrainian polling in support of a long war is +90%. That’s great! Maybe they should start paying for it instead of us. Americans seem to be the opposite, the majority of Americans do not support more aid, only large percentages of Democrats and progressives do. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 1:59:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Man you've drunk the Russian Kool-aid. Maybe ask Ukrainians what they think? Ukrainian polling in support of a long war is +90%. Ukrainians don't think FACTS.........if they were thinking facts they would have given away some land for peace at the beginning. Instead they have managed to get their country slowly reduced to rubble and ruin. The longer they wait to submit the more land they will lose and the more damage they will sustain. Their "offensive" has gone nowhere (as any military man would have predicted) because an offensive means heavy casualties and the Ukes can't afford any more casualties........they are already too low on fighters. There is no happy outcome here.........only the inevitable Russian victory. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 2:06:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukrainians don't think FACTS.........if they were thinking facts they would have given away some land for peace at the beginning. Instead they have managed to get their country slowly reduced to rubble and ruin. The longer they wait to submit the more land they will lose and the more damage they will sustain. Their "offensive" has gone nowhere (as any military man would have predicted) because an offensive means heavy casualties and the Ukes can't afford any more casualties........they are already too low on fighters. There is no happy outcome here.........only the inevitable Russian victory. Your posts are even funnier when I change "Ukraine" to "Poland" and "Russia" for "Germany". |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 2:11:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your posts are even funnier when I change "Ukraine" to "Poland" and "Russia" for "Germany". Germany doesn’t have a strategic naval base in Poland. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 2:18:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's great! Maybe they should start paying for it instead of us. Americans seem to be the opposite, the majority of Americans do not support more aid, only large percentages of Democrats and progressives do. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Maybe ask Ukrainians what they think? Ukrainian polling in support of a long war is +90%. That's great! Maybe they should start paying for it instead of us. Americans seem to be the opposite, the majority of Americans do not support more aid, only large percentages of Democrats and progressives do.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 2:19:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukrainians don't think FACTS.........if they were thinking facts they would have given away some land for peace at the beginning. Instead they have managed to get their country slowly reduced to rubble and ruin. The longer they wait to submit the more land they will lose and the more damage they will sustain. Their "offensive" has gone nowhere (as any military man would have predicted) because an offensive means heavy casualties and the Ukes can't afford any more casualties........they are already too low on fighters. There is no happy outcome here.........only the inevitable Russian victory. The raping is happening and you're advocating for submission instead of self defense. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 2:20:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your posts are even funnier when I change "Ukraine" to "Poland" and "Russia" for "Germany". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ukrainians don't think FACTS.........if they were thinking facts they would have given away some land for peace at the beginning. Instead they have managed to get their country slowly reduced to rubble and ruin. The longer they wait to submit the more land they will lose and the more damage they will sustain. Their "offensive" has gone nowhere (as any military man would have predicted) because an offensive means heavy casualties and the Ukes can't afford any more casualties........they are already too low on fighters. There is no happy outcome here.........only the inevitable Russian victory. Your posts are even funnier when I change "Ukraine" to "Poland" and "Russia" for "Germany". |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 2:32:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your posts are even funnier when I change "Ukraine" to "Poland" and "Russia" for "Germany". Thanks, always happy to provide a bit of levity, but your comparison is invalid. Germany had a number of weak nations to invade.........Russia has NATO. You are aware of the power of the combined NATO nations, right? |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 2:37:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s great! Maybe they should start paying for it instead of us. Americans seem to be the opposite, the majority of Americans do not support more aid, only large percentages of Democrats and progressives do. The Ukrainians are paying with their lives, which I'll be the first to observe is unusual for countries hoping the US will save their ass. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 2:38:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are literally telling the woman getting raped, "don't fight it, just take it, you'll feel better". The raping is happening and you're advocating for submission instead of self defense. Your comparison is emotional, but invalid. Ukraine has been exploiting and oppressing ethnic Russians for many years. Was your fictitious woman doing that? Ukraine is no helpless woman. Try another fiction. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 2:50:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Ukrainians are paying with their lives, which I'll be the first to observe is unusual for countries hoping the US will save their ass. 1. Name the "countries hoping the U.S. will save their ass." 2. If the Ukes are that stupid and suicidal--is it really my problem? |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 3:19:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks, always happy to provide a bit of levity, but your comparison is invalid. Germany had a number of weak nations to invade.........Russia has NATO. You are aware of the power of the combined NATO nations, right? ...and the year to 1939. I thought that was pretty obvious. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 3:26:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ...and the year to 1939. I thought that was pretty obvious. So you admit that your comparison was invalid? Or is this just more obfuscation? Please to elucidate. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 3:43:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why does Russia want to control and take over the Ukraine anyway? Its just more mouths to feed/starve, more area of responsibility and more cost of operation. I never understood this whole conflict. Does the Ukraine have ports, minerals or other resources or something that Russia wants to needs? Or just want to be a bad ass and Bully? Wants strategic resources (fossil fuels, Crimea) but mostly doesn't want NATO bases in Ukraine. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 3:53:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your comparison is emotional, but invalid. Ukraine has been exploiting and oppressing ethnic Russians for many years. Was your fictitious woman doing that? Ukraine is no helpless woman. Try another fiction. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 3:57:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sacks of cash and gold are going to be turning up in candidate's hands all over Europe as Russia applies pressure to western agents and supporters. AfD for one is known to be compromised by the Kremlin.  
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Posted: 9/21/2023 3:59:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not going to take a lesson on fiction and emotion from someone who believes the poor ethnic speaking Russian tripe is justification for Russia's actions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Your comparison is emotional, but invalid. Ukraine has been exploiting and oppressing ethnic Russians for many years. Was your fictitious woman doing that? Ukraine is no helpless woman. Try another fiction. I’m amazed that people here drink that kool-aid and then regurgitate Putin’s excuses for the invasion. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 4:15:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you admit that your comparison was invalid? Or is this just more obfuscation? Please to elucidate. Quote HistoryQuoted: So you admit that your comparison was invalid? Or is this just more obfuscation? Please to elucidate. Let me do it for you... Poles don't think FACTS.........if they were thinking facts they would have given away some land for peace at the beginning. Instead they have managed to get their country slowly reduced to rubble and ruin. The longer they wait to submit the more land they will lose and the more damage they will sustain. Their "offensive" has gone nowhere (as any military man would have predicted) because an offensive means heavy casualties and the Polacks can't afford any more casualties........they are already too low on fighters. There is no happy outcome here.........only the inevitable Nazi Germany victory. Hope that helps. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 4:26:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m amazed that people here drink that kool-aid and then regurgitate Putin’s excuses for the invasion. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Your comparison is emotional, but invalid. Ukraine has been exploiting and oppressing ethnic Russians for many years. Was your fictitious woman doing that? Ukraine is no helpless woman. Try another fiction. I’m amazed that people here drink that kool-aid and then regurgitate Putin’s excuses for the invasion. Ronald Reagan would be rolling in his grave at the amount of Russian supporters. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 4:27:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m amazed that people here drink that kool-aid and then regurgitate Putin’s excuses for the invasion. Of course that's just a slight against anyone who dares disagree with your point of view. An insult, not an argument meant to convince or inform. A signal that you view yourself as a enlightened individual in a sea of inferiors. That's not a way to generate support. But at this point it would seem you're not interested in bringing people aboard to your ideology. You just want us all to know that we're lesser than you, in your opinion. But I guess some people around the world do buy Putin's version. Your version of what's going on is even less convincing that his, by the numbers. Let that sink in. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 4:34:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ronald Reagan would be rolling in his grave at the amount of Russian supporters. Regan loved to deficit spend so you might be right. But I would prefer that we stop borrowing money from the Communists to fight the Communists and focus on not creating Communists right here. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 4:36:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Regan loved to deficit spend so you might be right. But I would prefer that we stop borrowing money from the Communists to fight the Communists and focus on not creating Communism domestically. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ronald Reagan would be rolling in his grave at the amount of Russian supporters. Regan loved to deficit spend so you might be right. But I would prefer that we stop borrowing money from the Communists to fight the Communists and focus on not creating Communism domestically. Bigfeets approves. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 4:54:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bigfeets approves. It’s pretty sad that you feel the need to levy personal attacks in ever thread. I am guessing small dick syndrome, but I am not a doctor. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 4:58:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not going to take a lesson on fiction and emotion from someone who believes the poor ethnic speaking Russian tripe is justification for Russia's actions. "Oh the poor oppressed minorities" has been the justification for basically every American war for the past 70 years. Now that the shoe is on the other foot it's suddenly no longer valid? |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 5:03:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Oh the poor oppressed minorities" has been the justification for basically every American war for the past 70 years. Now that the shoe is on the other foot it's suddenly no longer valid? Which war in the past 70 years did the US initiate because of poor, oppressed minorities? |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 5:03:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s pretty sad that you feel the need to levy personal attacks in ever thread. I am guessing small dick syndrome, but I am not a doctor. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bigfeets approves. It’s pretty sad that you feel the need to levy personal attacks in ever thread. I am guessing small dick syndrome, but I am not a doctor. How's your personal belief a personal attack ? I've actually seen him, and got a pic, why haven't you ?  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 5:10:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's even funnier is that you think Poland defeated Germany. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 5:12:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks, always happy to provide a bit of levity, but your comparison is invalid. Germany had a number of weak nations to invade.........Russia has NATO. You are aware of the power of the combined NATO nations, right? |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 5:12:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your comparison is emotional, but invalid. Ukraine has been exploiting and oppressing ethnic Russians for many years. Was your fictitious woman doing that? Ukraine is no helpless woman. Try another fiction. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 5:14:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which war in the past 70 years did the US initiate because of poor, oppressed minorities? |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 5:20:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How's your personal belief a personal attack ? I've actually seen him, and got a pic, why haven't you ? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/427921/IMG_20230303_093204639_jpg-2961738.JPG Because you throw it into every thread as a jab. Unfortunately for you, I know that your ego is bigger than your domain knowledge. I try to redirect you like a five year old, but that isn’t working. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 6:11:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: These people enjoy themselves some genocide. Then theyll be all Pikachu faced when its up to someone else to stop it when they failed to provide the supplies necessary to stop it earl y on. These people enjoy seeing Americans becoming poorer by the day, be less safe in their country, all for a bunch of orcs in Ukraine that are involved in a conflict that doesn’t impact America. That lower class, lower middle class, or homeless citizen really appreciates how we pay for Ukrainian pensions with new debt spending while their dollar loses value, all while able bodied Ukrainian men party on beaches in odessa. It’s pretty unbelievable. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 6:44:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course that's just a slight against anyone who dares disagree with your point of view. An insult, not an argument meant to convince or inform. A signal that you view yourself as a enlightened individual in a sea of inferiors. That's not a way to generate support. But at this point it would seem you're not interested in bringing people aboard to your ideology. You just want us all to know that we're lesser than you, in your opinion. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’m amazed that people here drink that kool-aid and then regurgitate Putin’s excuses for the invasion. Of course that's just a slight against anyone who dares disagree with your point of view. An insult, not an argument meant to convince or inform. A signal that you view yourself as a enlightened individual in a sea of inferiors. That's not a way to generate support. But at this point it would seem you're not interested in bringing people aboard to your ideology. You just want us all to know that we're lesser than you, in your opinion. Do you disagree that some people here share his perspective? Of course not. You know it’s true. I am making no attempt at any argument, whatsoever. I have no desire to convince anyone of to see things my way. You be you. But I guess some people around the world do buy Putin's version. Your version of what's going on is even less convincing that his, by the numbers. Let that sink in. I suppose that depends on who you spend time with and who you listen to. Putin supporters hang out with Putin supporters and non-Putin supporters tend to hang out with non-Putin supporters. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 7:41:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let me do it for you... Poles don't think FACTS.........if they were thinking facts they would have given away some land for peace at the beginning. Instead they have managed to get their country slowly reduced to rubble and ruin. The longer they wait to submit the more land they will lose and the more damage they will sustain. Their "offensive" has gone nowhere (as any military man would have predicted) because an offensive means heavy casualties and the Polacks can't afford any more casualties........they are already too low on fighters. There is no happy outcome here.........only the inevitable Nazi Germany victory. Hope that helps. That's some pretty fine obfuscation........but it only illustrates that the Ukraine of today and WWII Poland are not in any way comparable. Poland didn't fight. Ukraine is fighting.........and thus they are being destroyed. (With our help.) |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 7:49:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's some pretty fine obfuscation........but it only illustrates that the Ukraine of today and WWII Poland are not in any way comparable. Poland didn't fight. Ukraine is fighting.........and thus they are being destroyed. (With our help.) LOL Are you implying that Poland wasn't destroyed or wouldn't have been destroyed by Germany in 1939 if they had rolled over? Poland and Ukraine are similar in that they are being invaded for no reason by a genocidal neighbor. The fact that Germany in 1939 was more competent than Russia in 2023 doesn't change that fact. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 8:10:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's some pretty fine obfuscation........but it only illustrates that the Ukraine of today and WWII Poland are not in any way comparable. Poland didn't fight. Ukraine is fighting.........and thus they are being destroyed. (With our help.) Poland did fight back. But they were invaded by Germany on September 1st 1939 and by the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union on September 17th 1939. They were destroyed by October 6th and divided up by the two countries. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 8:18:00 PM EST
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BTW: I'm looking all over GD for the usual suspects to howl about the $5 Billion we sent to Iran for the hostages, how that's destroying the US budget, how we're funding the Iranian retirement, there's probably Iranians dancing in beachclubs, etc. Seems like those threads aren't turning up during a search. Strange.
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Posted: 9/21/2023 8:22:20 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not at all. It’s a straightforward, factual observation that some people share Putin’s perspective. Do you disagree that some people here share his perspective? Of course not. You know it’s true. I am making no attempt at any argument, whatsoever. I have no desire to convince anyone of to see things my way. You be you. I suppose that depends on who you spend time with and who you listen to. Putin supporters hang out with Putin supporters and non-Putin supporters tend to hang out with non-Putin supporters. It’s not a binary thing and you know it. You’re a smart guy and that type of oversimplification is beneath you. Why do you want it to be so tribal? “In OUR tribe, or the totally-not-a-pootin-loving-traitor tribe.” It just seems as though you’ve assumed the role of “evangelist to the simpletons”. It is insulting and I think that’s part of the technique of manipulation. Why, man? I know you’re better than that. Maybe I’m wrong. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 8:22:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted  By Zhukov:BTW: I'm looking all over GD for the usual suspects to howl about the $5 Billion we sent to Iran for the hostages, how that's destroying the US budget, how we're funding the Iranian retirement, there's probably Iranians dancing in beachclubs, etc. Seems like those threads aren't turning up during a search. Strange. The ayatollah just bought another mansion in Egypt |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 8:23:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's also totally factual. Or do you have actual input to offer rebuttal? The end of aid to Ukraine is a foregone conclusion, not just in the U.S., but worldwide. It can only be pushed so far and the end is in sight. This is a RUSSIAN problem. They are dealing with a recalcitrant and troublesome neighbor that was historically part of Russia and contains many ethnic Russians who have been oppressed. So we're a British problem? 
 This is a country that only knows how to deal with problems through violence and manipulation like a dysfunctional methbilly. If they get Ukraine's resources and geography they will be more of a problem for the entire world, not less. From 21Feb22  
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Posted: 9/21/2023 8:24:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: BTW: I'm looking all over GD for the usual suspects to howl about the $5 Billion we sent to Iran for the hostages, how that's destroying the US budget, how we're funding the Iranian retirement, there's probably Iranians dancing in beachclubs, etc. Seems like those threads aren't turning up during a search. Strange. It was actually 6 billion. The next day at the UN Iran called for the destruction of America. Another horrific action by our government. Another action that puts Americans in danger. Take a American hostage and get a billion. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 8:25:58 PM EST
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I imagine I'll have a Coke.
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Posted: 9/21/2023 8:35:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not a binary thing and you know it. You're a smart guy and that type of oversimplification is beneath you. Why do you want it to be so tribal? "In OUR tribe, or the totally-not-a-pootin-loving-traitor tribe." It just seems as though you've assumed the role of "evangelist to the simpletons". It is insulting and I think that's part of the technique of manipulation. Why, man? I know you're better than that. Maybe I'm wrong. Some of the positions taken by the ardent propagandists are so closely related to the Russian talking points that there's no way they could have come up with them all by themselves. There is a grey area, but when your argument look like they were taken straight off of Rossia-1, then one has to wonder. I assume that is what Cincinnatus tried to convey, but that's only a guess. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 8:38:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: BTW: I'm looking all over GD for the usual suspects to howl about the $5 Billion we sent to Iran for the hostages, how that's destroying the US budget, how we're funding the Iranian retirement, there's probably Iranians dancing in beachclubs, etc. Seems like those threads aren't turning up during a search. Strange. This is a highly uneducated comment. The $5 billion was confiscated from Iran over the span of years, it was never our money to begin with. Also $5 billion of money that isn’t ours is a lot less than 130 billion of money that is ours. Try to do better next time and maybe get educated. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 8:38:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: BTW: I'm looking all over GD for the usual suspects to howl about the $5 Billion we sent to Iran for the hostages, how that's destroying the US budget, how we're funding the Iranian retirement, there's probably Iranians dancing in beachclubs, etc. Seems like those threads aren't turning up during a search. Strange. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 8:48:10 PM EST
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Not worth it.
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Posted: 9/21/2023 8:48:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a highly uneducated comment. The $5 billion was confiscated from Iran over the span of years, it was never our money to begin with. Also $5 billion of money that isn’t ours is a lot less than 130 billion of money that is ours. Try to do better next time and maybe get educated. You're not entirely wrong from what I can tell, but this is hilarious. Partisan outrage or the truth? 
Strange bedfellows indeed. Nobody panic, sometimes you end up agreeing with someone on the other side of the aisle, and that's okay.  |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 8:49:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s not a binary thing and you know it. You’re a smart guy and that type of oversimplification is beneath you. Why do you want it to be so tribal? “In OUR tribe, or the totally-not-a-pootin-loving-traitor tribe.” It just seems as though you’ve assumed the role of “evangelist to the simpletons”. It is insulting and I think that’s part of the technique of manipulation. Why, man? I know you’re better than that. Maybe I’m wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not at all. It’s a straightforward, factual observation that some people share Putin’s perspective. Do you disagree that some people here share his perspective? Of course not. You know it’s true. I am making no attempt at any argument, whatsoever. I have no desire to convince anyone of to see things my way. You be you. I suppose that depends on who you spend time with and who you listen to. Putin supporters hang out with Putin supporters and non-Putin supporters tend to hang out with non-Putin supporters. It’s not a binary thing and you know it. You’re a smart guy and that type of oversimplification is beneath you. Why do you want it to be so tribal? “In OUR tribe, or the totally-not-a-pootin-loving-traitor tribe.” It just seems as though you’ve assumed the role of “evangelist to the simpletons”. It is insulting and I think that’s part of the technique of manipulation. Why, man? I know you’re better than that. Maybe I’m wrong. When I refer to Putin supporters and those who share his perspective, I am specifically referring to those who support Putin and those who share his perspective. It’s not a simplification. It’s specific. Do you deny that they exist? |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 8:54:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm just an uneducated yokel, so please explain this to me... Regardless of where the money came from, we now have $6 Billion LESS than we had before to spend on American taxpayers, right? No. But we are $130 billion poorer and soon to be $24 billion poorer and more in debt if democrats get their way. It’s interesting you are incapable of seeing the false equivalency and moving of the goal posts. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 9:00:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. But we are $130 billion poorer and soon to be $24 billion poorer and more in debt if democrats get their way. It’s interesting you are incapable of seeing the false equivalency and moving of the goal posts. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm just an uneducated yokel, so please explain this to me... Regardless of where the money came from, we now have $6 Billion LESS than we had before to spend on American taxpayers, right? No. But we are $130 billion poorer and soon to be $24 billion poorer and more in debt if democrats get their way. It’s interesting you are incapable of seeing the false equivalency and moving of the goal posts. How many threads have you started to complain about Entitlement spending? |
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