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Posted: 11/27/2018 8:03:45 PM EDT
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Love the ' FatMan' logo on the coveralls. 
JANCFU: Joint Army Navy Civilian F*** Up. Sounds like Afghanistan. 
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Posted: 11/27/2018 8:06:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/27/2018 8:28:37 PM EDT
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exactly what I was thinking Imagine if OHSA had existed. we'd still be working on it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shorts, no shirts and no PPE. How did they survive? Imagine if OHSA had existed. we'd still be working on it. |
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Posted: 11/27/2018 8:40:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/27/2018 8:53:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/27/2018 8:56:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThanks, I had never seen those two before!
Another must-read classic: 
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Posted: 11/27/2018 9:00:44 PM EDT
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ME TOO I wish there was some place where I could talk to people about it at the level that interests me. Seriously. Those pictures have been in the wild a long, long time, OP. For ham nerds, look at the bomb test unit stack, and see if there's anything remotely familiar. I've been pondering over the inclusion of that rig in the test stack; monitoring for a UHF oscillator, used in a trigger mechanism, perhaps? It sure looks to be a signal test setup. |
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Posted: 11/27/2018 9:04:05 PM EDT
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Very cool.
I found one little error, though- Project A (Alberta) member CDR A. Francis Birch (left) numbers Little Boy Unit L-11 while Norman Ramsey (right) watches. This is the actual unit which was dropped on Nagasaki. |
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Posted: 11/27/2018 9:04:55 PM EDT
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Love the ' FatMan' logo on the coveralls. YOUR NEXT ROLLMARK! |
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Posted: 11/27/2018 9:08:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Also, I like to push pictures like this one: https://gaijinpot.scdn3.secure.raxcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2016/02/Nagasaki.jpg whenever I can. People are told that popping off a nuke, it'll be barren for a zillion years, no one can ever enter again, and who is left in that area will be horribly mutated. Guess where that is? |
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Posted: 11/27/2018 9:09:27 PM EDT
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Alright now you guy's did it pulled out my Trinity & Beyond DVD
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Posted: 11/27/2018 9:09:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Joint Army and Navy Command Fuck/Foul Up"  |
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Posted: 11/27/2018 9:15:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: wasnt much left. seems like i heard more folks died in the tokoyo fire bombing than were killed by either of the atom bombs. Operation Meetinghouse Main article: Bombing of Tokyo (10 March 1945) On the night of 910 March, 1945,[13] 334 B-29s took off to raid with 279 of them dropping 1,665 tons of bombs on Tokyo. The bombs were mostly the 500-pound (230 kg) E-46 cluster bomb which released 38 napalm-carrying M-69 incendiary bomblets at an altitude of 2,0002,500 ft (610760 m). The M-69s punched through thin roofing material or landed on the ground; in either case they ignited 35 seconds later, throwing out a jet of flaming napalm globs. A lesser number of M-47 incendiaries was also dropped: the M-47 was a 100-pound (45 kg) jelled-gasoline and white phosphorus bomb which ignited upon impact. In the first two hours of the raid, 226 of the attacking aircraft unloaded their bombs to overwhelm the city's fire defenses.[14] The first B-29s to arrive dropped bombs in a large X pattern centered in Tokyo's densely populated working class district near the docks in both Koto and Ch city wards on the water; later aircraft simply aimed near this flaming X. The individual fires caused by the bombs joined to create a general conflagration, which would have been classified as a firestorm but for prevailing winds gusting at 17 to 28 mph (27 to 45 km/h).[15] Approximately 15.8 square miles (4,090 ha) of the city were destroyed and some 100,000 people are estimated to have died.[16][17] A grand total of 282 of the 339 B-29s launched for "Meetinghouse" made it to the target, 27 of which were lost due to being shot down by Japanese air defenses, mechanical failure, or being caught in updrafts caused by the massive fires.[18] |
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Posted: 11/27/2018 9:18:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I owned a Hallicrafters S-36 once upon a time, it worked great! Still have the SX-28 Super Skyrider in my shack. I've been pondering over the inclusion of that rig in the test stack; monitoring for a UHF oscillator, used in a trigger mechanism, perhaps? It sure looks to be a signal test setup. |
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Posted: 11/27/2018 9:19:21 PM EDT
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I went to college with a guy who claimed to be Paul Tibbets' nephew.
He didn't make a big deal of it, and only mentioned it once, so I assumed it was true. |
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Posted: 11/27/2018 9:19:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I also find it fascinating (thx again, OP). I'm especially intrigued by the photos of the very earliest stages, where mass is being converted to energy and conditions mimic the early universe: https://i.stack.imgur.com/2mt4P.jpg What a strange moment in time. Fascinating. |
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Posted: 11/27/2018 9:20:31 PM EDT
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Can you imagine living there and surviving that? After a while you would wonder if anyone was going to be left alive. 
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Posted: 11/27/2018 9:30:03 PM EDT
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there's an Atomic museum in Albuquerque that's pretty cool & deals
with both these bombs very good |
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Posted: 11/27/2018 9:30:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/27/2018 9:33:47 PM EDT
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One of the cooler experiences of my life was operating a flight from Narita to Saipan. Our approach to landing took us right over Tinian and the north field complex. I could clearly see the runways and the bomb loading pits. It was easy to imagine the hustle and bustle and overall urgency of operations that occurred there 70 years prior. To see it in its entirety first hand was pretty amazing.
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Posted: 11/27/2018 9:34:00 PM EDT
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There were literal fire tornados according to eye witnesses https://p47koji.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/smisek-100-5.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can you imagine living there and surviving that? After a while you would wonder if anyone was going to be left alive. https://p47koji.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/smisek-100-5.jpg |
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Posted: 11/27/2018 9:40:44 PM EDT
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It's probably the same case there, but I know in Dresden the bulk of the deaths were from suffocation because the fire was so vicious it consumed all the oxygen, while leaving combustion products. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can you imagine living there and surviving that? After a while you would wonder if anyone was going to be left alive. https://p47koji.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/smisek-100-5.jpg Breathing in fire byproducts kills you via smoke inhalation, not lack of oxygen. The particulates and toxic gasses cause your lungs to freak out, fill with fluid and kill you. You could put the same particulate matter and toxins in an oxygen rich atmosphere and you'd still die breathing it, though it may take longer. |
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Posted: 11/27/2018 9:42:45 PM EDT
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My Father was a long time friend of Dutch Van Kirk. Both B29 Navigators. I met him on several occasions.
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Posted: 11/27/2018 9:46:00 PM EDT
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I went to college with a guy who claimed to be Paul Tibbets' nephew. He didn't make a big deal of it, and only mentioned it once, so I assumed it was true.
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Posted: 11/27/2018 9:52:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/27/2018 10:01:19 PM EDT
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That's not how that work. Breathing in fire byproducts kills you via smoke inhalation, not lack of oxygen. The particulates and toxic gasses cause your lungs to freak out, fill with fluid and kill you. You could put the same particulate matter and toxins in an oxygen rich atmosphere and you'd still die breathing it, though it may take longer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can you imagine living there and surviving that? After a while you would wonder if anyone was going to be left alive. https://p47koji.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/smisek-100-5.jpg Breathing in fire byproducts kills you via smoke inhalation, not lack of oxygen. The particulates and toxic gasses cause your lungs to freak out, fill with fluid and kill you. You could put the same particulate matter and toxins in an oxygen rich atmosphere and you'd still die breathing it, though it may take longer. That's exactly how it works, a combination of reducing oxygen in the breathable air below the percentage needed, while also causing CO poisoning preventing oxygen uptake by hemoglobin. So either way you slice it, it's a lack of oxygen. "You could put the same particulate matter and toxins in an oxygen rich atmosphere and you'd still die breathing it, though it may take longer." Not much longer, 2-3 minutes max if the PPM of CO is high enough. I'm guessing you've never done any hazmat, fire fighting, or dive training/ dive medicine? |
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Posted: 11/27/2018 10:06:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAnother good place to visit. For some Minuteman history. http://www.history.nd.gov/historicsites/minutemanmissile/oscarzerohistory.html 
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Posted: 11/27/2018 10:07:15 PM EDT
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Very cool.
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Posted: 11/27/2018 10:31:06 PM EDT
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I owned a Hallicrafters S-36 once upon a time, it worked great! Still have the SX-28 Super Skyrider in my shack. I've been pondering over the inclusion of that rig in the test stack; monitoring for a UHF oscillator, used in a trigger mechanism, perhaps? It sure looks to be a signal test setup. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ME TOO I wish there was some place where I could talk to people about it at the level that interests me. Seriously. Those pictures have been in the wild a long, long time, OP. For ham nerds, look at the bomb test unit stack, and see if there's anything remotely familiar. I've been pondering over the inclusion of that rig in the test stack; monitoring for a UHF oscillator, used in a trigger mechanism, perhaps? It sure looks to be a signal test setup. |
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Posted: 11/27/2018 11:01:26 PM EDT
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Neat!
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Posted: 11/28/2018 12:01:29 AM EDT
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there's an Atomic museum in Albuquerque that's pretty cool & deals with both these bombs very good |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 12:21:26 AM EDT
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... Very cool! I've never seen any of these pictures Thanks OP |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 12:47:18 AM EDT
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Cool pics! Never saw them before. I got to meet Mr. Tibbetts at MAAM a few years back, that was really interesting.
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Posted: 11/28/2018 2:31:27 AM EDT
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Cool pics. Thank you
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Posted: 11/28/2018 2:47:49 AM EDT
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That would be cool on a shirt. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: "Joint Army and Navy Command Fuck/Foul Up" https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/24334/6a00d83542d51e69e201b7c7bbf655970b-500wi_jpg-752886.JPG
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Posted: 11/28/2018 2:58:13 AM EDT
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and there is a new lower idea. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 2:59:24 AM EDT
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There were mock ups of each of those weapons at the Plattsburg AFB nuclear weapon storage area gate back in the seventies. I wonder what happened to them when the base was deactivated.
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Posted: 11/28/2018 3:07:49 AM EDT
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Really cool pics, I was trying to figure out what his coveralls say. Badger something
 Wonder if anyone took selfies of the riding the bomb strangelove style haha. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 3:25:02 AM EDT
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Now I need a shirt with that logo
Messing around at Custom Ink...what do you guys think? 
A coworker saw this and said "You should put 'World's Best Rice Cookers Since 1945" on the front."
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Posted: 11/28/2018 3:26:59 AM EDT
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8 different "thin man" bomb casings are pictured in 1944 in the first photo. If that's accurate, our early nuke program was prepared for a much wider, more destructive campaign than I previously realized. By Nagasaki, I thought the U.S. had used up all the nukes we had? Were there more of them ready to go by VJ Day? |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 4:01:14 AM EDT
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I guess those pictures are proof that good welds don't have to look nice.  |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 4:12:30 AM EDT
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not one,....but two different designs, here to fuck your whole day up Quote HistoryQuoted:
not one,....but two different designs, here to fuck your whole day up so the Manhattan Project was the original GET BOTH. Quoted:
Thanks, I had never seen those two before! Another must-read classic: http://www.richardrhodes.com/images/TMAB_Cover-x_small.jpeg Quoted:
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I also find it fascinating (thx again, OP). I'm especially intrigued by the photos of the very earliest stages, where mass is being converted to energy and conditions mimic the early universe: https://i.stack.imgur.com/2mt4P.jpg What a strange moment in time. If you really want to get wow'd about how fast the stuff happens, read up on thermonuclear bombs. The fusion part is inches away from the fission bomb, and the reactions are all completed before the material from the fission explosion can disturb the fusion part. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 4:23:44 AM EDT
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I saw Bocks Car and replicas of the bombs at the Air Museum in Dayton OH last week. If you go, plan on at least 2 days and you still won't see it all.
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Posted: 11/28/2018 4:31:29 AM EDT
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Those are from development work on the physical casings for the bombs. There were lots of sets of casings and bomb components made and transported to Tinian. The atomic bombing group even flew practice missions to Japan and dropped a couple of the Fat Man casings on targets. Without the fissile material, they were a 5000 pound HE bomb |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 6:40:46 AM EDT
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One of the cooler experiences of my life was operating a flight from Narita to Saipan. Our approach to landing took us right over Tinian and the north field complex. I could clearly see the runways and the bomb loading pits. It was easy to imagine the hustle and bustle and overall urgency of operations that occurred there 70 years prior. To see it in its entirety first hand was pretty amazing. |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 7:25:14 AM EDT
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Any good books on this subject? |
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Posted: 11/28/2018 7:40:11 AM EDT
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Those were very interesting. Thank you for posting.
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Posted: 11/28/2018 7:55:38 AM EDT
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Great pictures, some of these I have seen before.
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Posted: 11/28/2018 8:01:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Brigadier General Tibbets, his grandson, just got fired. Cool pics OP, thanks for posting! 
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Posted: 11/28/2018 8:35:22 AM EDT
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My best friend is Bob Carter's grandson, and I have met Bob a few times.
Here is an interview with him: https://www.manhattanprojectvoices.org/oral-histories/bob-carters-interview-2018 |
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