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Posted: 9/14/2024 9:05:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: *laughs capitalisticly* Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: PSA is legit doing awesome work. Companies like BearFag have shit quality and no support. PSA is doing arms and ammo right. My secret hope is that THEY get a competitor. *laughs capitalisticly* We will win in all aspects because we know human nature. PSA legit said "fuck the government, don't care, ammo plant now". And they're making money. Regulations are gatekeeper type laws. PSA went through all those and came out on the other side. I legit love PSA. Their love for guns is far beyond shooting. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 9:05:48 PM EST
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AAC 77 gr. OTM is $612 per case delivered to my house. Probably going to make this my go to for a little while and hope for a decent sale at Black Friday.
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Posted: 9/14/2024 9:08:20 PM EST
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Been drinking but Mises had a concept where basically you don't listen to anyone's opinion because they are stupid.
You listen to what they actually buy. "Yeah sure I'll buy that faggy recycled toilet paper for 2x the cost" IGNORE What you actually have to watch is what people ACTUALLY buy. Disregard their opinions. And if 77gr is the same price as 193? LOG MY ECONOMIC PREFERENCE BRO |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 9:17:35 PM EST
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The American annual budget deficit and obscene $35 trillion national debt does matter.
The inevitable result of continued deficit spending is inflation, and lots of it. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 9:18:15 PM EST
[#5]
I also bought a case of 77gr OTM today. Wheeeeeeee!
I like ammo. I like AAC. I like 77gr OTM. I dislike government.  |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 9:19:24 PM EST
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I also charged all the lasers, NV, and Thermal’s batteries. No coincidence.
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Posted: 9/14/2024 9:20:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I also bought a case of 77gr OTM today. Wheeeeeeee! I like ammo. I like AAC. I like 77gr OTM. I dislike government. Based |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 9:48:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With tax and shipping? I don't see it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: SGAmmo has lots for about $.46/rnd With tax and shipping? I don't see it. Tax depends on your state Shipping free if order is $200 or more |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 10:00:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We will win in all aspects because we know human nature. PSA legit said "fuck the government, don't care, ammo plant now". And they're making money. Regulations are gatekeeper type laws. PSA went through all those and came out on the other side. I legit love PSA. Their love for guns is far beyond shooting. This 100%. Whether your like their products or not. PSA is doing the Lords work putting guns and ammo into the hands of as many folks as possible. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 10:09:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 77 otm stacked deep I buy a variety still but yes I buy the 77 otm whenever it’s on sale! |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 10:13:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's no need to buy m193 anymore when PSA makes 77gr OTM ammo for the same price Some of us Luddites like to feed our 1:12 retro ARs. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 10:52:48 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I also bought a case of 77gr OTM today. Wheeeeeeee! I like ammo. I like AAC. I like 77gr OTM. I dislike government. I like your style |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 9:07:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of us Luddites like to feed our 1:12 retro ARs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There's no need to buy m193 anymore when PSA makes 77gr OTM ammo for the same price Some of us Luddites like to feed our 1:12 retro ARs. Oh. Well honestly I didn't even think about that. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 10:36:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like your style This thread reminded me to just suck up $0.60 per round for better ammo than M193 |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 10:41:33 AM EST
[#15]
God, I hope ammo in general eases on prices.
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Posted: 9/15/2024 10:48:04 AM EST
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M193 has leveled off at around 50 cents a round for the past couple years. With the election incoming it could possibly go up or down afterwards. Everyone remembers the "Trump slump" when prices and demand plumeted after he took office.
Of course, even with Trump in office, all it would take is a major event / national emergency to send prices shooting up even higher! As has been said numerous times before, unless you are a new gun owner (and even then, this only applies if you are also young and poor. I have less sympathy for 30+ year old adults who suddenly get an epiphany that self defense is important). You should have a decent stock pile squirreled away already. If you don't, then at BARE minimum you should have 1000 rounds of ammo for your primary combat arm for "go time" that you do not ever shoot, and THEN whatever you plan to shoot for the range / practice on TOP of that. The first thing you should do with your primary combat arm is to get it sighted in and zero'd ASAP (with irons AND optics (if you have both). And you should fire that weapon min of once a year, but ideally more. And that is a BARE minimum, if you are dirt poor or living out of a van in a vagabond life. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 10:50:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AAC 77 gr. OTM is $612 per case delivered to my house. Probably going to make this my go to for a little while and hope for a decent sale at Black Friday. I am replacing most all of my 55gr with AAC or IMI 77gr. *most, because my SIG 550 and Galil don’t like 77gr. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 10:55:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless you regularly shoot a 20 inch barrel there is no reason to buy 55grain when its almost the same price as heavier stuff these days. Spend the extra 30 per case  M193 (NOT the .223 version) is one of the BEST all purpose 5.56 rounds there is. It is very terminally effective out of 16" and longer barrels, fairly accurate, has sealed primers and bullets usually, and is very affordable. It also penetrates obstacles fairly well (esp steel, body armor, hard barriers) better than the heavier OTM rounds that break apart. And you are telling someone to buy a round almost twice as expensive because you think it's "better"? Realistically it's just "better" for extremely long range shots that 99.9% of people will never even think to attempt. Yeah, I'd rather have double the supply of M193 on hand and ready to go. If you think you might NEED a few long range shots (who here has many 500+ yard shots?) then maybe keep a couple boxes to see how it zeros in your gun and keep a mag or two loaded with it that you can swap in if you ever unrealistically decide you need to slug it out with a target at half a mile ranges. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 10:57:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: M193 (NOT the .223 version) is one of the BEST all purpose 5.56 rounds there is. It is very terminally effective out of 16" and longer barrels, fairly accurate, has sealed primers and bullets usually, and is very affordable. It also penetrates obstacles fairly well (esp steel, body armor, hard barriers) better than the heavier OTM rounds that break apart. And you are telling someone to buy a round almost twice as expensive because you think it's "better"? Realistically it's just "better" for extremely long range shots that 99.9% of people will never even think to attempt. Yeah, I'd rather have double the supply of M193 on hand and ready to go. If you think you might NEED a few long range shots (who here has many 500+ yard shots?) then maybe keep a couple boxes to see how it zeros in your gun and keep a mag or two loaded with it that you can swap in if you ever unrealistically decide you need to slug it out with a target at half a mile ranges. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Unless you regularly shoot a 20 inch barrel there is no reason to buy 55grain when its almost the same price as heavier stuff these days. Spend the extra 30 per case M193 (NOT the .223 version) is one of the BEST all purpose 5.56 rounds there is. It is very terminally effective out of 16" and longer barrels, fairly accurate, has sealed primers and bullets usually, and is very affordable. It also penetrates obstacles fairly well (esp steel, body armor, hard barriers) better than the heavier OTM rounds that break apart. And you are telling someone to buy a round almost twice as expensive because you think it's "better"? Realistically it's just "better" for extremely long range shots that 99.9% of people will never even think to attempt. Yeah, I'd rather have double the supply of M193 on hand and ready to go. If you think you might NEED a few long range shots (who here has many 500+ yard shots?) then maybe keep a couple boxes to see how it zeros in your gun and keep a mag or two loaded with it that you can swap in if you ever unrealistically decide you need to slug it out with a target at half a mile ranges. @beitodesstrafe come M193 post with this guy |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:02:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @beitodesstrafe come M193 post with this guy Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unless you regularly shoot a 20 inch barrel there is no reason to buy 55grain when its almost the same price as heavier stuff these days. Spend the extra 30 per case M193 (NOT the .223 version) is one of the BEST all purpose 5.56 rounds there is. It is very terminally effective out of 16" and longer barrels, fairly accurate, has sealed primers and bullets usually, and is very affordable. It also penetrates obstacles fairly well (esp steel, body armor, hard barriers) better than the heavier OTM rounds that break apart. And you are telling someone to buy a round almost twice as expensive because you think it's "better"? Realistically it's just "better" for extremely long range shots that 99.9% of people will never even think to attempt. Yeah, I'd rather have double the supply of M193 on hand and ready to go. If you think you might NEED a few long range shots (who here has many 500+ yard shots?) then maybe keep a couple boxes to see how it zeros in your gun and keep a mag or two loaded with it that you can swap in if you ever unrealistically decide you need to slug it out with a target at half a mile ranges. @beitodesstrafe come M193 post with this guy M193 EHRRTHING |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:03:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's no need to buy m193 anymore when PSA makes 77gr OTM ammo for the same price 
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:07:58 AM EST
[#22]
Reload for significantly cheaper.
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:07:58 AM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: M193 (NOT the .223 version) is one of the BEST all purpose 5.56 rounds there is. It is very terminally effective out of 16" and longer barrels, fairly accurate, has sealed primers and bullets usually, and is very affordable. It also penetrates obstacles fairly well (esp steel, body armor, hard barriers) better than the heavier OTM rounds that break apart. And you are telling someone to buy a round almost twice as expensive because you think it's "better"? Realistically it's just "better" for extremely long range shots that 99.9% of people will never even think to attempt. Yeah, I'd rather have double the supply of M193 on hand and ready to go. If you think you might NEED a few long range shots (who here has many 500+ yard shots?) then maybe keep a couple boxes to see how it zeros in your gun and keep a mag or two loaded with it that you can swap in if you ever unrealistically decide you need to slug it out with a target at half a mile ranges. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:08:53 AM EST
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M193 vs heavy OTM aside. I have heard iffy things about AAC quality. They are also downloaded velocity wise from what I understand. I personally wouldn't trust AAC for duty use.
Remember, something is cheaper for a reason... |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:13:43 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: M193 EHRRTHING Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unless you regularly shoot a 20 inch barrel there is no reason to buy 55grain when its almost the same price as heavier stuff these days. Spend the extra 30 per case M193 (NOT the .223 version) is one of the BEST all purpose 5.56 rounds there is. It is very terminally effective out of 16" and longer barrels, fairly accurate, has sealed primers and bullets usually, and is very affordable. It also penetrates obstacles fairly well (esp steel, body armor, hard barriers) better than the heavier OTM rounds that break apart. And you are telling someone to buy a round almost twice as expensive because you think it's "better"? Realistically it's just "better" for extremely long range shots that 99.9% of people will never even think to attempt. Yeah, I'd rather have double the supply of M193 on hand and ready to go. If you think you might NEED a few long range shots (who here has many 500+ yard shots?) then maybe keep a couple boxes to see how it zeros in your gun and keep a mag or two loaded with it that you can swap in if you ever unrealistically decide you need to slug it out with a target at half a mile ranges. @beitodesstrafe come M193 post with this guy M193 EHRRTHING M193 is pretty based ngl |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:14:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: M193 vs heavy OTM aside. I have heard iffy things about AAC quality. They are also downloaded velocity wise from what I understand. I personally wouldn't trust AAC for duty use. Remember, something is cheaper for a reason... Black Hills for Boogaloo sure but I'm not going to practice with $60 magazines |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:15:43 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: M193 vs heavy OTM aside. I have heard iffy things about AAC quality. They are also downloaded velocity wise from what I understand. I personally wouldn't trust AAC for duty use. Remember, something is cheaper for a reason... |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:18:25 AM EST
[#28]
M193 4 Lyfe
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:28:51 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: M193 (NOT the .223 version) is one of the BEST all purpose 5.56 rounds there is. It is very terminally effective out of 16" and longer barrels, fairly accurate, has sealed primers and bullets usually, and is very affordable. It also penetrates obstacles fairly well (esp steel, body armor, hard barriers) better than the heavier OTM rounds that break apart. And you are telling someone to buy a round almost twice as expensive because you think it's "better"? Realistically it's just "better" for extremely long range shots that 99.9% of people will never even think to attempt. Yeah, I'd rather have double the supply of M193 on hand and ready to go. If you think you might NEED a few long range shots (who here has many 500+ yard shots?) then maybe keep a couple boxes to see how it zeros in your gun and keep a mag or two loaded with it that you can swap in if you ever unrealistically decide you need to slug it out with a target at half a mile ranges. Dude calm down..lol. I also have tons of 5.56 M193 or as close to is as possible. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:34:06 AM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: M193 (NOT the .223 version) is one of the BEST all purpose 5.56 rounds there is. It is very terminally effective out of 16" and longer barrels, fairly accurate, has sealed primers and bullets usually, and is very affordable. It also penetrates obstacles fairly well (esp steel, body armor, hard barriers) better than the heavier OTM rounds that break apart. And you are telling someone to buy a round almost twice as expensive because you think it's "better"? Realistically it's just "better" for extremely long range shots that 99.9% of people will never even think to attempt. Yeah, I'd rather have double the supply of M193 on hand and ready to go. If you think you might NEED a few long range shots (who here has many 500+ yard shots?) then maybe keep a couple boxes to see how it zeros in your gun and keep a mag or two loaded with it that you can swap in if you ever unrealistically decide you need to slug it out with a target at half a mile ranges. As barrels get shorter, alternatives to M193 start to make more sense. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:34:37 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Black Hills for Boogaloo sure but I'm not going to practice with $60 magazines Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: M193 vs heavy OTM aside. I have heard iffy things about AAC quality. They are also downloaded velocity wise from what I understand. I personally wouldn't trust AAC for duty use. Remember, something is cheaper for a reason... Black Hills for Boogaloo sure but I'm not going to practice with $60 magazines People are advocating stocking up on AAC OTM for actual serious use (not as training / practice ammo). They are then comparing AAC OTM prices to M193 prices as a reason to stock up on it. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:35:33 AM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: M193 is pretty based ngl Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unless you regularly shoot a 20 inch barrel there is no reason to buy 55grain when its almost the same price as heavier stuff these days. Spend the extra 30 per case M193 (NOT the .223 version) is one of the BEST all purpose 5.56 rounds there is. It is very terminally effective out of 16" and longer barrels, fairly accurate, has sealed primers and bullets usually, and is very affordable. It also penetrates obstacles fairly well (esp steel, body armor, hard barriers) better than the heavier OTM rounds that break apart. And you are telling someone to buy a round almost twice as expensive because you think it's "better"? Realistically it's just "better" for extremely long range shots that 99.9% of people will never even think to attempt. Yeah, I'd rather have double the supply of M193 on hand and ready to go. If you think you might NEED a few long range shots (who here has many 500+ yard shots?) then maybe keep a couple boxes to see how it zeros in your gun and keep a mag or two loaded with it that you can swap in if you ever unrealistically decide you need to slug it out with a target at half a mile ranges. @beitodesstrafe come M193 post with this guy M193 EHRRTHING M193 is pretty based ngl I like them speedy bois. Bought another case of 115 gr 9mm yesterday. Couldn't help myself. Speedy BOOOOOOIS |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:35:50 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People are advocating stocking up on AAC OTM for actual serious use (not as training / practice ammo). They are then comparing AAC OTM prices to M193 prices as a reason to stock up on it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: M193 vs heavy OTM aside. I have heard iffy things about AAC quality. They are also downloaded velocity wise from what I understand. I personally wouldn't trust AAC for duty use. Remember, something is cheaper for a reason... Black Hills for Boogaloo sure but I'm not going to practice with $60 magazines People are advocating stocking up on AAC OTM for actual serious use (not as training / practice ammo). They are then comparing AAC OTM prices to M193 prices as a reason to stock up on it. My mistake. I used to practice with M193 and now I'm shifting to AAC since the weights and design is closer and it's often the cheaper price. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:36:04 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I like them speedy bois. Bought another case of 115 gr 9mm yesterday. Couldn't help myself. Speedy BOOOOOOIS Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unless you regularly shoot a 20 inch barrel there is no reason to buy 55grain when its almost the same price as heavier stuff these days. Spend the extra 30 per case M193 (NOT the .223 version) is one of the BEST all purpose 5.56 rounds there is. It is very terminally effective out of 16" and longer barrels, fairly accurate, has sealed primers and bullets usually, and is very affordable. It also penetrates obstacles fairly well (esp steel, body armor, hard barriers) better than the heavier OTM rounds that break apart. And you are telling someone to buy a round almost twice as expensive because you think it's "better"? Realistically it's just "better" for extremely long range shots that 99.9% of people will never even think to attempt. Yeah, I'd rather have double the supply of M193 on hand and ready to go. If you think you might NEED a few long range shots (who here has many 500+ yard shots?) then maybe keep a couple boxes to see how it zeros in your gun and keep a mag or two loaded with it that you can swap in if you ever unrealistically decide you need to slug it out with a target at half a mile ranges. @beitodesstrafe come M193 post with this guy M193 EHRRTHING M193 is pretty based ngl I like them speedy bois. Bought another case of 115 gr 9mm yesterday. Couldn't help myself. Speedy BOOOOOOIS 147GR ONLY |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:37:49 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People are advocating stocking up on AAC OTM for actual serious use (not as training / practice ammo). They are then comparing AAC OTM prices to M193 prices as a reason to stock up on it. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:38:38 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: since Hornady is making all of AACs rifle bullets it's likely that it is the same 77gr OTM bullet that Black Hills is now using Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: People are advocating stocking up on AAC OTM for actual serious use (not as training / practice ammo). They are then comparing AAC OTM prices to M193 prices as a reason to stock up on it. All mine is the Sierra variant and that was purposeful. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:41:20 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 147GR ONLY Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unless you regularly shoot a 20 inch barrel there is no reason to buy 55grain when its almost the same price as heavier stuff these days. Spend the extra 30 per case M193 (NOT the .223 version) is one of the BEST all purpose 5.56 rounds there is. It is very terminally effective out of 16" and longer barrels, fairly accurate, has sealed primers and bullets usually, and is very affordable. It also penetrates obstacles fairly well (esp steel, body armor, hard barriers) better than the heavier OTM rounds that break apart. And you are telling someone to buy a round almost twice as expensive because you think it's "better"? Realistically it's just "better" for extremely long range shots that 99.9% of people will never even think to attempt. Yeah, I'd rather have double the supply of M193 on hand and ready to go. If you think you might NEED a few long range shots (who here has many 500+ yard shots?) then maybe keep a couple boxes to see how it zeros in your gun and keep a mag or two loaded with it that you can swap in if you ever unrealistically decide you need to slug it out with a target at half a mile ranges. @beitodesstrafe come M193 post with this guy M193 EHRRTHING M193 is pretty based ngl I like them speedy bois. Bought another case of 115 gr 9mm yesterday. Couldn't help myself. Speedy BOOOOOOIS 147GR ONLY  IM FAST AS F**K BOI ?? - Ricky Berwick |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:45:03 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unless you regularly shoot a 20 inch barrel there is no reason to buy 55grain when its almost the same price as heavier stuff these days. Spend the extra 30 per case M193 (NOT the .223 version) is one of the BEST all purpose 5.56 rounds there is. It is very terminally effective out of 16" and longer barrels, fairly accurate, has sealed primers and bullets usually, and is very affordable. It also penetrates obstacles fairly well (esp steel, body armor, hard barriers) better than the heavier OTM rounds that break apart. And you are telling someone to buy a round almost twice as expensive because you think it's "better"? Realistically it's just "better" for extremely long range shots that 99.9% of people will never even think to attempt. Yeah, I'd rather have double the supply of M193 on hand and ready to go. If you think you might NEED a few long range shots (who here has many 500+ yard shots?) then maybe keep a couple boxes to see how it zeros in your gun and keep a mag or two loaded with it that you can swap in if you ever unrealistically decide you need to slug it out with a target at half a mile ranges. @beitodesstrafe come M193 post with this guy M193 EHRRTHING M193 is pretty based ngl I like them speedy bois. Bought another case of 115 gr 9mm yesterday. Couldn't help myself. Speedy BOOOOOOIS 147GR ONLY  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT7AR4nt0WA I wish I could find an old school gun video. It was a guy shooting 40gr varmint bullets from a 20" 1/7. The rotation was exploding the thin jackets about 25yds from the barrel |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:46:08 AM EST
[#39]
You can get Southern Munitions Reman 55s for .36 cpr.
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:47:21 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish I could find an old school gun video. It was a guy shooting 40gr varmint bullets from a 20" 1/7. The rotation was exploding the thin jackets about 25yds from the barrel Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unless you regularly shoot a 20 inch barrel there is no reason to buy 55grain when its almost the same price as heavier stuff these days. Spend the extra 30 per case M193 (NOT the .223 version) is one of the BEST all purpose 5.56 rounds there is. It is very terminally effective out of 16" and longer barrels, fairly accurate, has sealed primers and bullets usually, and is very affordable. It also penetrates obstacles fairly well (esp steel, body armor, hard barriers) better than the heavier OTM rounds that break apart. And you are telling someone to buy a round almost twice as expensive because you think it's "better"? Realistically it's just "better" for extremely long range shots that 99.9% of people will never even think to attempt. Yeah, I'd rather have double the supply of M193 on hand and ready to go. If you think you might NEED a few long range shots (who here has many 500+ yard shots?) then maybe keep a couple boxes to see how it zeros in your gun and keep a mag or two loaded with it that you can swap in if you ever unrealistically decide you need to slug it out with a target at half a mile ranges. @beitodesstrafe come M193 post with this guy M193 EHRRTHING M193 is pretty based ngl I like them speedy bois. Bought another case of 115 gr 9mm yesterday. Couldn't help myself. Speedy BOOOOOOIS 147GR ONLY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT7AR4nt0WAI wish I could find an old school gun video. It was a guy shooting 40gr varmint bullets from a 20" 1/7. The rotation was exploding the thin jackets about 25yds from the barrel ?????? |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:49:07 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ?????? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unless you regularly shoot a 20 inch barrel there is no reason to buy 55grain when its almost the same price as heavier stuff these days. Spend the extra 30 per case M193 (NOT the .223 version) is one of the BEST all purpose 5.56 rounds there is. It is very terminally effective out of 16" and longer barrels, fairly accurate, has sealed primers and bullets usually, and is very affordable. It also penetrates obstacles fairly well (esp steel, body armor, hard barriers) better than the heavier OTM rounds that break apart. And you are telling someone to buy a round almost twice as expensive because you think it's "better"? Realistically it's just "better" for extremely long range shots that 99.9% of people will never even think to attempt. Yeah, I'd rather have double the supply of M193 on hand and ready to go. If you think you might NEED a few long range shots (who here has many 500+ yard shots?) then maybe keep a couple boxes to see how it zeros in your gun and keep a mag or two loaded with it that you can swap in if you ever unrealistically decide you need to slug it out with a target at half a mile ranges. @beitodesstrafe come M193 post with this guy M193 EHRRTHING M193 is pretty based ngl I like them speedy bois. Bought another case of 115 gr 9mm yesterday. Couldn't help myself. Speedy BOOOOOOIS 147GR ONLY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT7AR4nt0WAI wish I could find an old school gun video. It was a guy shooting 40gr varmint bullets from a 20" 1/7. The rotation was exploding the thin jackets about 25yds from the barrel ?????? What r u doing I'M GONNA SPIN THE SHIT OUTTA THESE BULLETS- OH FUCK |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:50:01 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: since Hornady is making all of AACs rifle bullets it's likely that it is the same 77gr OTM bullet that Black Hills is now using Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: People are advocating stocking up on AAC OTM for actual serious use (not as training / practice ammo). They are then comparing AAC OTM prices to M193 prices as a reason to stock up on it. You realize there is more that goes into the cartridge than just the bullet right? Lots of issues with AAC ammo. Trust it as duty ammo at your own risk! |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:54:12 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What r u doing I'M GONNA SPIN THE SHIT OUTTA THESE BULLETS- OH FUCK Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unless you regularly shoot a 20 inch barrel there is no reason to buy 55grain when its almost the same price as heavier stuff these days. Spend the extra 30 per case M193 (NOT the .223 version) is one of the BEST all purpose 5.56 rounds there is. It is very terminally effective out of 16" and longer barrels, fairly accurate, has sealed primers and bullets usually, and is very affordable. It also penetrates obstacles fairly well (esp steel, body armor, hard barriers) better than the heavier OTM rounds that break apart. And you are telling someone to buy a round almost twice as expensive because you think it's "better"? Realistically it's just "better" for extremely long range shots that 99.9% of people will never even think to attempt. Yeah, I'd rather have double the supply of M193 on hand and ready to go. If you think you might NEED a few long range shots (who here has many 500+ yard shots?) then maybe keep a couple boxes to see how it zeros in your gun and keep a mag or two loaded with it that you can swap in if you ever unrealistically decide you need to slug it out with a target at half a mile ranges. @beitodesstrafe come M193 post with this guy M193 EHRRTHING M193 is pretty based ngl I like them speedy bois. Bought another case of 115 gr 9mm yesterday. Couldn't help myself. Speedy BOOOOOOIS 147GR ONLY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT7AR4nt0WAI wish I could find an old school gun video. It was a guy shooting 40gr varmint bullets from a 20" 1/7. The rotation was exploding the thin jackets about 25yds from the barrel ?????? What r u doing I'M GONNA SPIN THE SHIT OUTTA THESE BULLETS- OH FUCK IF THE BULLET DOES NOT SELF DISASSEMBLE IS IT REALLY FAST ENOUGH? |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:57:26 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: IF THE BULLET DOES NOT SELF DISASSEMBLE IS IT REALLY FAST ENOUGH? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unless you regularly shoot a 20 inch barrel there is no reason to buy 55grain when its almost the same price as heavier stuff these days. Spend the extra 30 per case M193 (NOT the .223 version) is one of the BEST all purpose 5.56 rounds there is. It is very terminally effective out of 16" and longer barrels, fairly accurate, has sealed primers and bullets usually, and is very affordable. It also penetrates obstacles fairly well (esp steel, body armor, hard barriers) better than the heavier OTM rounds that break apart. And you are telling someone to buy a round almost twice as expensive because you think it's "better"? Realistically it's just "better" for extremely long range shots that 99.9% of people will never even think to attempt. Yeah, I'd rather have double the supply of M193 on hand and ready to go. If you think you might NEED a few long range shots (who here has many 500+ yard shots?) then maybe keep a couple boxes to see how it zeros in your gun and keep a mag or two loaded with it that you can swap in if you ever unrealistically decide you need to slug it out with a target at half a mile ranges. @beitodesstrafe come M193 post with this guy M193 EHRRTHING M193 is pretty based ngl I like them speedy bois. Bought another case of 115 gr 9mm yesterday. Couldn't help myself. Speedy BOOOOOOIS 147GR ONLY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT7AR4nt0WAI wish I could find an old school gun video. It was a guy shooting 40gr varmint bullets from a 20" 1/7. The rotation was exploding the thin jackets about 25yds from the barrel ?????? What r u doing I'M GONNA SPIN THE SHIT OUTTA THESE BULLETS- OH FUCK IF THE BULLET DOES NOT SELF DISASSEMBLE IS IT REALLY FAST ENOUGH? 17 INCINERATOR A 50 BMG NECKED DOWN TO .17 WE'RE GOING TO PUT SO MUCH POWDER BEHIND THAT FUCKER ALSO BARREL LIFE IS TWO SHOTS |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:58:28 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 17 INCINERATOR A 50 BMG NECKED DOWN TO .17 WE'RE GOING TO PUT SO MUCH POWDER BEHIND THAT FUCKER ALSO BARREL LIFE IS TWO SHOTS https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f676018ec6670d1c66c6311ce92fbf56-lq Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unless you regularly shoot a 20 inch barrel there is no reason to buy 55grain when its almost the same price as heavier stuff these days. Spend the extra 30 per case M193 (NOT the .223 version) is one of the BEST all purpose 5.56 rounds there is. It is very terminally effective out of 16" and longer barrels, fairly accurate, has sealed primers and bullets usually, and is very affordable. It also penetrates obstacles fairly well (esp steel, body armor, hard barriers) better than the heavier OTM rounds that break apart. And you are telling someone to buy a round almost twice as expensive because you think it's "better"? Realistically it's just "better" for extremely long range shots that 99.9% of people will never even think to attempt. Yeah, I'd rather have double the supply of M193 on hand and ready to go. If you think you might NEED a few long range shots (who here has many 500+ yard shots?) then maybe keep a couple boxes to see how it zeros in your gun and keep a mag or two loaded with it that you can swap in if you ever unrealistically decide you need to slug it out with a target at half a mile ranges. @beitodesstrafe come M193 post with this guy M193 EHRRTHING M193 is pretty based ngl I like them speedy bois. Bought another case of 115 gr 9mm yesterday. Couldn't help myself. Speedy BOOOOOOIS 147GR ONLY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT7AR4nt0WAI wish I could find an old school gun video. It was a guy shooting 40gr varmint bullets from a 20" 1/7. The rotation was exploding the thin jackets about 25yds from the barrel ?????? What r u doing I'M GONNA SPIN THE SHIT OUTTA THESE BULLETS- OH FUCK IF THE BULLET DOES NOT SELF DISASSEMBLE IS IT REALLY FAST ENOUGH? 17 INCINERATOR A 50 BMG NECKED DOWN TO .17 WE'RE GOING TO PUT SO MUCH POWDER BEHIND THAT FUCKER ALSO BARREL LIFE IS TWO SHOTS https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f676018ec6670d1c66c6311ce92fbf56-lq 
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:59:01 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: since Hornady is making all of AACs rifle bullets it's likely that it is the same 77gr OTM bullet that Black Hills is now using They split them between Hornady and Sierra, but your point still stands. $0.55/rd 77gr OTM are Hornady projectiles - https://palmettostatearmory.com/aac-5-56-nato-77-grain-otm-20rd-box-ammunition.html $0.60/rd 75gr BTHP's are Hornady projectiles. - https://palmettostatearmory.com/aac-5-56-nato-75-grain-bthp-match-w-cannelure-20rd-box.html $0.60/rd 75gr Sabre Black Tips are Hornady projectiles - https://palmettostatearmory.com/aac-sabre-blade-black-tip-5-56-nato-75-grain-20rd-box-ammunition.html 77gr SMK (Sierra) are OOS at the moment, but listed at $0.75/rd - https://palmettostatearmory.com/aac-5-56-nato-77-grain-sierra-matchking-hpbt-20rd-box.html 77gr TMK (Sierra) are OOS at the moment, but listed at $0.85/rd - https://palmettostatearmory.com/aac-5-56-nato-77-grain-sierra-tmk-20rd-box-ammunition.html With the current price of $0.55/rd (Daily Deal) for 77gr OTM's, it is a hard sell to spend $0.45-$0.50/rd for 55gr FMJ's unless there is something you are looking for specifically. Mk262 exists for a reason. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:00:14 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I got cases of 1000 5.56mm for $89 as recently as 2012. Newb. I call BS. I still have a couple case from around 2000 that I paid 120.00, no way you got it for 89.00 unless it was some total garbage ammo you bought at a yard sale. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:06:09 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unless you regularly shoot a 20 inch barrel there is no reason to buy 55grain when its almost the same price as heavier stuff these days. Spend the extra 30 per case M193 (NOT the .223 version) is one of the BEST all purpose 5.56 rounds there is. It is very terminally effective out of 16" and longer barrels, fairly accurate, has sealed primers and bullets usually, and is very affordable. It also penetrates obstacles fairly well (esp steel, body armor, hard barriers) better than the heavier OTM rounds that break apart. And you are telling someone to buy a round almost twice as expensive because you think it's "better"? Realistically it's just "better" for extremely long range shots that 99.9% of people will never even think to attempt. Yeah, I'd rather have double the supply of M193 on hand and ready to go. If you think you might NEED a few long range shots (who here has many 500+ yard shots?) then maybe keep a couple boxes to see how it zeros in your gun and keep a mag or two loaded with it that you can swap in if you ever unrealistically decide you need to slug it out with a target at half a mile ranges. @beitodesstrafe come M193 post with this guy M193 EHRRTHING M193 is pretty based ngl I like them speedy bois. Bought another case of 115 gr 9mm yesterday. Couldn't help myself. Speedy BOOOOOOIS 147GR ONLY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT7AR4nt0WAI wish I could find an old school gun video. It was a guy shooting 40gr varmint bullets from a 20" 1/7. The rotation was exploding the thin jackets about 25yds from the barrel ?????? What r u doing I'M GONNA SPIN THE SHIT OUTTA THESE BULLETS- OH FUCK IF THE BULLET DOES NOT SELF DISASSEMBLE IS IT REALLY FAST ENOUGH? 17 INCINERATOR A 50 BMG NECKED DOWN TO .17 WE'RE GOING TO PUT SO MUCH POWDER BEHIND THAT FUCKER ALSO BARREL LIFE IS TWO SHOTS https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f676018ec6670d1c66c6311ce92fbf56-lq https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/138374/tumblr_inline_mqrh26jIU11qz4rgp-1477534.jpg AR15 CHAMBERED IN 220 SWIFT 4,500FPS MINIMUM IS REQUIRED |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:08:32 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: AR15 CHAMBERED IN 220 SWIFT 4,500FPS MINIMUM IS REQUIRED Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unless you regularly shoot a 20 inch barrel there is no reason to buy 55grain when its almost the same price as heavier stuff these days. Spend the extra 30 per case M193 (NOT the .223 version) is one of the BEST all purpose 5.56 rounds there is. It is very terminally effective out of 16" and longer barrels, fairly accurate, has sealed primers and bullets usually, and is very affordable. It also penetrates obstacles fairly well (esp steel, body armor, hard barriers) better than the heavier OTM rounds that break apart. And you are telling someone to buy a round almost twice as expensive because you think it's "better"? Realistically it's just "better" for extremely long range shots that 99.9% of people will never even think to attempt. Yeah, I'd rather have double the supply of M193 on hand and ready to go. If you think you might NEED a few long range shots (who here has many 500+ yard shots?) then maybe keep a couple boxes to see how it zeros in your gun and keep a mag or two loaded with it that you can swap in if you ever unrealistically decide you need to slug it out with a target at half a mile ranges. @beitodesstrafe come M193 post with this guy M193 EHRRTHING M193 is pretty based ngl I like them speedy bois. Bought another case of 115 gr 9mm yesterday. Couldn't help myself. Speedy BOOOOOOIS 147GR ONLY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT7AR4nt0WAI wish I could find an old school gun video. It was a guy shooting 40gr varmint bullets from a 20" 1/7. The rotation was exploding the thin jackets about 25yds from the barrel ?????? What r u doing I'M GONNA SPIN THE SHIT OUTTA THESE BULLETS- OH FUCK IF THE BULLET DOES NOT SELF DISASSEMBLE IS IT REALLY FAST ENOUGH? 17 INCINERATOR A 50 BMG NECKED DOWN TO .17 WE'RE GOING TO PUT SO MUCH POWDER BEHIND THAT FUCKER ALSO BARREL LIFE IS TWO SHOTS https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f676018ec6670d1c66c6311ce92fbf56-lq https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/138374/tumblr_inline_mqrh26jIU11qz4rgp-1477534.jpg AR15 CHAMBERED IN 220 SWIFT 4,500FPS MINIMUM IS REQUIRED There are just some dumb calibers out there. ?? People really need to knock it off. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:10:40 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There are just some dumb calibers out there. ?? People really need to knock it off. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unless you regularly shoot a 20 inch barrel there is no reason to buy 55grain when its almost the same price as heavier stuff these days. Spend the extra 30 per case M193 (NOT the .223 version) is one of the BEST all purpose 5.56 rounds there is. It is very terminally effective out of 16" and longer barrels, fairly accurate, has sealed primers and bullets usually, and is very affordable. It also penetrates obstacles fairly well (esp steel, body armor, hard barriers) better than the heavier OTM rounds that break apart. And you are telling someone to buy a round almost twice as expensive because you think it's "better"? Realistically it's just "better" for extremely long range shots that 99.9% of people will never even think to attempt. Yeah, I'd rather have double the supply of M193 on hand and ready to go. If you think you might NEED a few long range shots (who here has many 500+ yard shots?) then maybe keep a couple boxes to see how it zeros in your gun and keep a mag or two loaded with it that you can swap in if you ever unrealistically decide you need to slug it out with a target at half a mile ranges. @beitodesstrafe come M193 post with this guy M193 EHRRTHING M193 is pretty based ngl I like them speedy bois. Bought another case of 115 gr 9mm yesterday. Couldn't help myself. Speedy BOOOOOOIS 147GR ONLY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT7AR4nt0WAI wish I could find an old school gun video. It was a guy shooting 40gr varmint bullets from a 20" 1/7. The rotation was exploding the thin jackets about 25yds from the barrel ?????? What r u doing I'M GONNA SPIN THE SHIT OUTTA THESE BULLETS- OH FUCK IF THE BULLET DOES NOT SELF DISASSEMBLE IS IT REALLY FAST ENOUGH? 17 INCINERATOR A 50 BMG NECKED DOWN TO .17 WE'RE GOING TO PUT SO MUCH POWDER BEHIND THAT FUCKER ALSO BARREL LIFE IS TWO SHOTS https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f676018ec6670d1c66c6311ce92fbf56-lq https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/138374/tumblr_inline_mqrh26jIU11qz4rgp-1477534.jpg AR15 CHAMBERED IN 220 SWIFT 4,500FPS MINIMUM IS REQUIRED There are just some dumb calibers out there. ?? People really need to knock it off. PO Ackley was so based though. >be random dude >be proficient in math >improves ur cartridge >doesn't elaborate >leaves |
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