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Posted: 11/17/2018 2:10:14 AM EDT
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Mine was, I used it for 5 years, Only the cost of ammo made me go to a mouse gun
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Posted: 11/17/2018 2:15:51 AM EDT
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@bisonbisonbison I love M1A/M14s, to the point I've spent about 10k building them in the last few years alone, but I would never recommend one for any serious purpose. They weren't great to begin with, and they're extremely tempermental as precision rifles. The worst part is they can be shooting great one day and then mysteriously take a dump all over the target the next. I would never put one up against any AR. My coach shot an M14 NM on the USMC Team and commented on this. When an M14 goes bad...........bang......all over the target.... (and then you have to figure out what the hell went wrong....) I also frequently saw riflemen using pliers to tighten down their sight lock to keep their rear sight from changing elevation during a string... Had a friend who's rear sight drove him crazy until he had it rebuilt. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 2:16:05 AM EDT
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Viable, yes.
Practical, no. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 2:17:17 AM EDT
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Mine was, I used it for 5 years, Only the cost of ammo made me go to a mouse gun |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 2:21:57 AM EDT
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The M1A has been the long standing king of high power matches, check out the M1A match and Super match rifles. Even a standard would be a very good choice. with M16s and stomped the USMC Team so bad, the Marines showed up the next season with M16s. That was like 20+ years ago..... I mean......come on.....be serious. The guy is asking an honest question. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 2:26:03 AM EDT
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Just buy a Rock River NM AR and be done with it!
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Posted: 11/17/2018 2:36:57 AM EDT
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OP.......is you are serious about shooting an M1A in competition because
you live in Kali, I'll email NCShooter. He's the most knowledgeable guy I know when it comes to shooting an M1A/M14 NM in competition. He doesn't post much, but I'm sure I could draw him out. He speaks in Marine....so can be a bit hard to understand......but he's a veritable wealth of knowledge on this system. Norcross is a member here too....but I don't think he ventures into GD... |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 2:37:39 AM EDT
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Just buy a Rock River NM AR and be done with it! |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 2:40:51 AM EDT
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Yes, everyone shoots AR's these days. With glass, which I consider cheating.
That said, it's the shooter not the gun that matters the most. I regulary outshoot AR guys with a Garand and CMP ball. Am I that fantastic? No, they are that bad. 
Not everyone at your matches will be from the winning team at Camp Perry. You can place reasonably in say, the top third with ANY rifle. Even a bolt gun. (Which is a blast to compete with. I won a 600yd medal with a 03A3 when I was 21) Pick what will to you, be the most fun. If it's not fun you won't stick with it and if you don't stick with it you won't get better. If you want the M1A, get the M1A. You can always trade it in later for an AR. One bit of advice, don't be a gear queer and dry fire like you are getting paid and laid to do it. 
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Posted: 11/17/2018 2:48:29 AM EDT
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You want some real advice from a real ultimate shooter, go get yourself a Mini-14. It's the best of both worlds: the sexy lines of the M1A with the more affordable ammo of the AR-15.
And it will shoot rings around AR-15s. Literally rings, but that's all part of the fun. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 2:59:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The M1A got kicked to the curb decades ago. It's death knell was when the Army Team showed up with M16s and stomped the USMC Team so bad, the Marines showed up the next season with M16s. That was like 20+ years ago..... I mean......come on.....be serious. The guy is asking an honest question. Guys are shooting EBRs these days with amazing accuracy, you can't sit here and tell me the M1A can't hold it's own with the options our there today. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 3:04:10 AM EDT
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But did you win or are you just posting about how it could have been?? Like most fatass m1a shooters I'm not the internet tough guy you think I am. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 3:18:08 AM EDT
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Dude, I get it. It's not the ideal platform this day and age, but he's in CA. He's limited to what he can compete with. Guys are shooting EBRs these days with amazing accuracy, you can't sit here and tell me the M1A can't hold it's own with the options our there today. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The M1A got kicked to the curb decades ago. It's death knell was when the Army Team showed up with M16s and stomped the USMC Team so bad, the Marines showed up the next season with M16s. That was like 20+ years ago..... I mean......come on.....be serious. The guy is asking an honest question. Guys are shooting EBRs these days with amazing accuracy, you can't sit here and tell me the M1A can't hold it's own with the options our there today. He can go buy a M1A from Turners tomorrow and pick it up after the waiting period. He can then go compete with it rapid fire and all. Cali compliant ARs don't do rapid fire to well since you have to pull the rear pin now to change mags. Not sure where he will compete at though since I've looked all over SoCal and haven seen much in the way of high power down here. northern California has high power so maybe he's up there. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 3:24:02 AM EDT
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He needs to move out of CA and then buy a RRA NM AR.
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Posted: 11/17/2018 5:04:58 AM EDT
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The M1A has been the long standing king of high power matches, check out the M1A match and Super match rifles. Even a standard would be a very good choice. Those were specifically designed for the CMP and Camp Perry matches. You're off to great start with an M1A. I know, I was once a conscript of CA. I had a few of those during my internment. OP, I would pick a Garand over an M1A any day and twice on Sunday for HP competition, either in 30-06 or 308. Better sight radius, easier to get really low in prone w/o magazine in the way, glass bedding lasts longer, easier to load w/ 2 and 8 rounds. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 5:10:06 AM EDT
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A $1200 White Oak AR15 build will be more accurate than a $3000 M1A, and you can maintain/rebarrel it far easier.
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Posted: 11/17/2018 5:12:12 AM EDT
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The M1A was top of the class for a very long time. Old timers with their M1As were hard to keep up with at my club. The introduction of optics into service rifle classes has finally sounded the death knell for them, IMO. But if I was stuck in your position I'd go the M1A route. And the maintenence cycle on them is blown out of proportion. My father shot an M1A when he was on our state guards team, and then later with an AR. Their maintenence cycles were pretty much the same. M1A - reweld the unitized front end when the welds crack, redo the glass bedding every year, repair the lugged receiver when the lug breaks, replace the barrel, repair the trigger group when the pins break or bend. Replace the rear sight when it wears out. AR15 - replace the barrel when it is shot out. Period. ETA: And as Gunwritr correctly states, get ready for the M1A to take a dump on you. Normally in a Regional or EIC match, normally when you have a good string going. It will happen. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 6:00:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OK, you have my attention since your profile says CA... are you running a bullet button, or featureless, or fixed mag, or ??? I didn't get into this whole thing in time to have a bullet button AR, so I'm stuck with either a completely fixed magazine or one of those stupid kydex pistol grip wraps. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 6:01:50 AM EDT
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Just a few topics to acclimate you on the M14/M1A platform Glass bedding Gas cylinder shimming Scope Mount Shimming Op-Rod guide perma-weld Barrel Peening Handloading? Good luck
NM AR's used to be in vogue... those will out-shoot a box-stock m1a and is about = with a Super Match M1A without ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the bullshit of firing one past a thousand rounds |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 6:05:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Part in red is truth..... My coach shot an M14 NM on the USMC Team and commented on this. When an M14 goes bad...........bang......all over the target.... (and then you have to figure out what the hell went wrong....) I also frequently saw riflemen using pliers to tighten down their sight lock to keep their rear sight from changing elevation during a string... Had a friend who's rear sight drove him crazy until he had it rebuilt. Also, bent op rods are a thing. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 6:08:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bullshit, the maintenance cycles are nowhere the same. M1A - reweld the unitized front end when the welds crack, redo the glass bedding every year, repair the lugged receiver when the lug breaks, replace the barrel, repair the trigger group when the pins break or bend. Replace the rear sight when it wears out. AR15 - replace the barrel when it is shot out. Period. ETA: And as Gunwritr correctly states, get ready for the M1A to take a dump on you. Normally in a Regional or EIC match, normally when you have a good string going. It will happen. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 10:47:14 AM EDT
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OP, I would pick a Garand over an M1A any day and twice on Sunday for HP competition, either in 30-06 or 308. Better sight radius, easier to get really low in prone w/o magazine in the way, glass bedding lasts longer, easier to load w/ 2 and 8 rounds. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 10:58:08 AM EDT
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M1a1 sucks dick in about everything it does. In hipower it will get raped A neutered AR will beat it like a bitch all day long |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 11:02:38 AM EDT
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You don't even know how to post on the internet you old fossils. But my m1a and belly Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: But my m1a and belly Childish regurgitations of shit you read somewhere. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 11:02:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know of anyone shooting the .30 carbine in NRA High Power competition. ETA: 300 yard range. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 11:04:24 AM EDT
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They don’t do well. We used to do a Garand match every year and you could use any WWII rifle. The carbines were fun to shoot but no one ever threatened to win with one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I don't know of anyone shooting the .30 carbine in NRA High Power competition. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 11:04:53 AM EDT
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It's the shooter. I place in the top 1/4 in 3 gun using a shockwave, my edc 1911, and a pretty normal carbine. I'd be perfectly comfortable laying on any line with a rack grade M16A2, M1A, or M1 and feel confident I'd place squarely where my skill puts me. When you become a top % shooter that ranks nationaly than the tools become more important since the gap between 1,2,3 is measured in .01s 
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Posted: 11/17/2018 11:06:53 AM EDT
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Bullshit, the maintenance cycles are nowhere the same. M1A - reweld the unitized front end when the welds crack, redo the glass bedding every year, repair the lugged receiver when the lug breaks, replace the barrel, repair the trigger group when the pins break or bend. Replace the rear sight when it wears out. AR15 - replace the barrel when it is shot out. Period. ETA: And as Gunwritr correctly states, get ready for the M1A to take a dump on you. Normally in a Regional or EIC match, normally when you have a good string going. It will happen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The M1A was top of the class for a very long time. Old timers with their M1As were hard to keep up with at my club. The introduction of optics into service rifle classes has finally sounded the death knell for them, IMO. But if I was stuck in your position I'd go the M1A route. And the maintenence cycle on them is blown out of proportion. My father shot an M1A when he was on our state guards team, and then later with an AR. Their maintenence cycles were pretty much the same. M1A - reweld the unitized front end when the welds crack, redo the glass bedding every year, repair the lugged receiver when the lug breaks, replace the barrel, repair the trigger group when the pins break or bend. Replace the rear sight when it wears out. AR15 - replace the barrel when it is shot out. Period. ETA: And as Gunwritr correctly states, get ready for the M1A to take a dump on you. Normally in a Regional or EIC match, normally when you have a good string going. It will happen. I wonder what happened to the M14's the state shooting association owned. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 11:09:15 AM EDT
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There are guys at my rifle club that occasionally win matches with their M1A's. They aren't using them because they're better. It's because they're bored with ARs. One day they all got beaten by a 13 year old boy with a NM AR.
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Posted: 11/17/2018 11:13:59 AM EDT
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Here's a pic I snapped of the shooter next to me at the 2006 Maine State Service Rifle Championship... Muh Tree Gun Broke! Time for a Big Red from Fred!! Yes....there is such a thing as too much sling tension.... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/38268/Service_Rifle_Championship_06_032_jpg-741608.JPG Shall we post the pics of AR15s being rendered inoperable with a simple case head failure? Will the AR outshoot the M1a? Yep. Is it cheaper in every way? Sure is. Is the M1a still fun as hell, competitive, and all around have more "soul" for lack of a better description? IMHO, yes. A modern sports car will blow the doors off any 1960s sports car. I'd still rather drive my 69 firebird. If one shoots for the same reason most people shoot, i.e. enjoyment, shooting the rifle that one most enjoys makes the most sense. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 11:17:52 AM EDT
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So, you're saying that a modified rifle (notice the part that is supposed to support the stock there is not there) broke? Hmm Shall we post the pics of AR15s being rendered inoperable with a simple case head failure? Will the AR outshoot the M1a? Yep. Is it cheaper in every way? Sure is. Is the M1a still fun as hell, competitive, and all around have more "soul" for lack of a better description? IMHO, yes. A modern sports car will blow the doors off any 1960s sports car. I'd still rather drive my 69 firebird. If one shoots for the same reason most people shoot, i.e. enjoyment, shooting the rifle that one most enjoys makes the most sense. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 11:18:36 AM EDT
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They don’t do well. We used to do a Garand match every year and you could use any WWII rifle. The carbines were fun to shoot but no one ever threatened to win with one. ETA: 300 yard range. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I don't know of anyone shooting the .30 carbine in NRA High Power competition. ETA: 300 yard range. The M1a1 is a folding stock M1 carbine, if referring to a rifle. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 11:25:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While all that is true, competitive shooting is a lot more enjoyable when you win. I shot this rifle that I built, loaded from a bag. Guess who had the most fun.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 11:26:15 AM EDT
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M1A rifles throwing shit fits is a real thing but since he (we) are in California that's the only option unless he wants to try with a Mini 14 which is like the M1A except worse.
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Posted: 11/17/2018 11:29:20 AM EDT
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M1A rifles throwing shit fits is a real thing but since he (we) are in California that's the only option unless he wants to try with a Mini 14 which is like the M1A except worse. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 11:36:55 AM EDT
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The guys I shot with that wanted to keep shooting M1A's kept 2 rifles for a spare on hand, or 3, while one was at the armorer for a rebuild. I wonder what happened to the M14's the state shooting association owned. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The M1A was top of the class for a very long time. Old timers with their M1As were hard to keep up with at my club. The introduction of optics into service rifle classes has finally sounded the death knell for them, IMO. But if I was stuck in your position I'd go the M1A route. And the maintenence cycle on them is blown out of proportion. My father shot an M1A when he was on our state guards team, and then later with an AR. Their maintenence cycles were pretty much the same. M1A - reweld the unitized front end when the welds crack, redo the glass bedding every year, repair the lugged receiver when the lug breaks, replace the barrel, repair the trigger group when the pins break or bend. Replace the rear sight when it wears out. AR15 - replace the barrel when it is shot out. Period. ETA: And as Gunwritr correctly states, get ready for the M1A to take a dump on you. Normally in a Regional or EIC match, normally when you have a good string going. It will happen. I wonder what happened to the M14's the state shooting association owned. GWOT and the force structure cuts under Obama really changed the Guard and its priorities. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 11:43:10 AM EDT
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I used to shoot in black powder club matches. There were always the guys shooting heavy barreled, false muzzled, underhammer, cap lock monstrosities, loaded from a box at the bench. They won consistently. I shot this rifle that I built, loaded from a bag. Guess who had the most fun. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/206831/IMG_20141111_185931710_zps56345adc_jpg-741822.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: While all that is true, competitive shooting is a lot more enjoyable when you win. I shot this rifle that I built, loaded from a bag. Guess who had the most fun. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/206831/IMG_20141111_185931710_zps56345adc_jpg-741822.JPG |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 11:44:57 AM EDT
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M1a1 sucks dick in about everything it does. In hipower it will get raped A neutered AR will beat it like a bitch all day long 
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Posted: 11/17/2018 11:45:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hope you are kidding, because this is not 1985. OP, I would pick a Garand over an M1A any day and twice on Sunday for HP competition, either in 30-06 or 308. Better sight radius, easier to get really low in prone w/o magazine in the way, glass bedding lasts longer, easier to load w/ 2 and 8 rounds. I see people occasionally complain about how inaccurate M1A's are, but they're trying to shoot long range with thier fingers grasping the op-rod or have USGI stocks that are worn and loose. Two simple things I learned, easy fixes that tighten groups with M1A's. I've shot my standard M1A at 300m with NM sights and hit man size targets easily consistently with it for years. I don't know other than 25 years of shooting experience with them that they are very capable rifles in the hands of a good shooter. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 11:46:19 AM EDT
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They are more labor intensive to keep in top accuracy , and it is more alchemy/art than science But unless you are gunning for national championships a basic M1A will do a decent job to get ya going |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 11:47:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've done that. Also, bent op rods are a thing. This, can be avoided. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 11:52:23 AM EDT
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The M1A has been the long standing king of high power matches, check out the M1A match and Super match rifles. Even a standard would be a very good choice. Those were specifically designed for the CMP and Camp Perry matches. You're off to great start with an M1A. I know, I was once a conscript of CA. I had a few of those during my internment. 
Didn't Carlos Hathcock us an M1A/M14 to set his world record? 
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Posted: 11/17/2018 11:54:07 AM EDT
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Didn't Carlos Hathcock us an M1A/M14 to set his world record? |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 12:01:00 PM EDT
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Didn't Carlos Hathcock us an M1A/M14 to set his world record? http://thecmp.org/wp-content/uploads/Carlos-Hathcock.jpg Also, there are not any “world records” for this sort of shooting that I’m aware of. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 12:05:45 PM EDT
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You don't even know how to post on the internet you old fossils. But my m1a and belly |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 12:06:43 PM EDT
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You don't even know how to post on the internet you old fossils. But my m1a and belly You're that guy whose had his ass kicked for talking shit you could never back up. You're that little douche bag who just irritates the living shit out of everybody around you. That guy who shows up places and people say, oh God that fucking retard Taylor is here, let's leave. I don't care, report me for insulting you. I know when I get out of bed everyday I'm not you, thank God I'm not, I'd hang myself. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 12:19:29 PM EDT
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The M1A is very unforgiving of bad position. If nothing else, I guess shooting an M1A will teach you about position the way Chuck Norris will teach you about taking a beating. If you stick with it and master it, the AR will feel like cheating if you shoot it.
It can be a finicky rifle at times as well with regards to zeroes and sight repeatability. I never really shot mine ATC but I saw the zero shifts shooting it off a bag depending on temperature, day, position of the earth in relation to the sun and the pull of gravity, etc. It's also an expensive rifle to purchase/maintain compared to buying/building an AR15. .308 costs more to shoot as well, takes more powder to load for, the gun itself is harder on brass than an AR15 so you'll get fewer loadings out of M1A brass than .223 AR15 brass. It's all about having fun so if you want to shoot an M1A, knock yourself out. But the AR is easier all around. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 12:20:07 PM EDT
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The M1A has been the long standing king of high power matches, check out the M1A match and Super match rifles. Even a standard would be a very good choice. Those were specifically designed for the CMP and Camp Perry matches. You're off to great start with an M1A. I know, I was once a conscript of CA. I had a few of those during my internment. 
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Posted: 11/17/2018 12:26:17 PM EDT
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No shit, as long as I remember. Has it changed? http://thecmp.org/wp-content/uploads/SpringfieldM1AMatch1.jpg Didn't Carlos Hathcock us an M1A/M14 to set his world record? http://thecmp.org/wp-content/uploads/Carlos-Hathcock.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The M1A has been the long standing king of high power matches, check out the M1A match and Super match rifles. Even a standard would be a very good choice. Those were specifically designed for the CMP and Camp Perry matches. You're off to great start with an M1A. I know, I was once a conscript of CA. I had a few of those during my internment. http://thecmp.org/wp-content/uploads/SpringfieldM1AMatch1.jpg Didn't Carlos Hathcock us an M1A/M14 to set his world record? http://thecmp.org/wp-content/uploads/Carlos-Hathcock.jpg 
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Posted: 11/17/2018 12:35:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryMust have hit the M1A super lotto or something. Because, the AR is the only suitable option for high power shooting, that's it. All ye experts have wisely spoketh here and thee constitution has therefore haveth been amended. Silly.... |
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