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So robots and sex dolls can't have kids, who knew?

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It's like the threads about fast food worker shortages. People bitching about younger generations and laziness, unemployment extensions, economic/Covid stimulus check money. Video games, and couch-surfing while vaping pot at their childhood home into their 30's...

All of that doesn't "help", but it's not enough to really drive what's happening.

It's simple demographics. From a labor/workforce perspective, the Boomers are all dead, retired, or are getting too old to work even if they want to. Gen Z that backfills them is smaller than the Boomers, and the Millennials that backfill Gen Z are even smaller in number. It's an inverted pyramid, and has a compounding domino effect.

And this is why the drive-thru line at McDonald's is long, your order is always wrong, and they're short-staffed. And the people working at Walmart are lazier, sketchier, and "methier" looking than ever. There's no cheap and reliable robotics that can replace all this labor yet. Everybody with two brain cells that connect in their skull has a better job that's either easier, more interesting, or higher paying, or all three. And entry-level service-sector jobs are left scrambling for people who can piss clean, and will actually maybe show up for their shift.

The illegals can't fill all these jobs. The large employers, or any that have actual HR systems can't fake the I9 forms & ID info. There's not enough passable forged info or identity theft credentials to go around, and only certain economic sectors that are better suited to absorb illegal immigrant labor can take them. Businesses netter suited to cash pay under the table, like independent restaurants, or construction trades with layers of contractors and sub-contractors where there's some plausible denial and insulation from illegal worker fines/raids, agricultural work where they're spread all over the countryside, or jobs so undesirable, the business is complicit with the illegal immigrant like certain meat packing plants, and there's a sort of uneasy unspoken truce, where INS/CPB doesn't raid every last one of them they could, for fear an entire business sector would collapse. And the occasional raid that makes the news is unlucky for that particular company, and just political theater to a degree.

Cultural attitudes and trends, economics and politics can add some amount to the overall birthrate decline, but they're all secondary factors at best. Even with all the issues people like to point to, birth control, (Hello, condoms have been a thing for a long time now...) social, and economic/policy/tax demands creating two parent, or married couple working families with less time for kids, laziness, online activities/social media, all of that, it contributes, but it's also just nibbling around the edges.

From the perspective of the United States, and to varying degrees, the rest of the world... two big things happened. The internal combustion engine, and WWII.

in 1900, about 35% of the American population were farmers, or farm-families, or otherwise lived on a farm. The non-farming distributed rural population was perhaps 50%. Today, roughly 2% of the American population is "agricultural". And some chunk of that isn't actually farmers/ranchers even. There's some packing plant workers, grain elevator operators, people dealing with fertilizer or whatever, some farm/livestock veterinarians, and other agricultural support functions/people in that 2%.

There have been huge upsides to this. The average price paid for 2000 calories of food per day paid by average American workers/incomes as inflation adjusted dollars, or just hours worked, has fallen by about 85% since 1900. It would be even more, except that the enormous savings has partially been poured back into higher margin value-added convenience food services, aka "eating out". If you compare to just food prepared at home in kitchens, the relative price decrease is even bigger. If you compare a fixed basket of goods, base raw ingredients and staples (things most people hardly use anymore) like flour, oils/fats, sugar, raw meat, dairy, eggs, vegetables and fruit... the decrease for food vs. real/adjusted wages or work hours is possibly as much as 95%.

The lifestyle where more kids = more labor for the farm, and there was no electricity, no radio, no TV, much less Internet, and the million other things we have today, and nothing to do after sundown but play hide the salami with your wife by candlelight... the last big chunk of Americans living that lifestyle, it just died.

And then, WWII happened. War, danger, insecurity, huge amounts of people leaving, then returning... whatever, it seems to make people horny. And that insecurity drives the third-world birthrate to a degree, and it'll drop too, assuming their cultural issues unfuck themselves enough to allow for increased infrastructure and modernity to continue to penetrate their countries.

And the internal American economic demand post-war from the Baby Boomer demographic glut, people kind of just took that to be "the new normal."

And the economic, rade, and industrial factors from the US being the only world power that didn't see any significant damage, and wasn't also closed off and hamstrung by the Iron Curtain/Communism, people kind of took that to be "the new normal" as well, and just sort of assumed it would be that way forever too.

Yes, the US government, and various social changes/attitudes influencing our national economic and international policy have been absolutely pants-on-head stupid, if not downright intentionally evil and anti-American at times. And some aspects of post-war American global dominance are a problem too. The "surface area" of the US Dollar as the #1 world reserve currency, and the Petrodollar, and perpetual inflation from debt-backed Federal Reserve notes, and the final nail in that coffin with stuff Nixon did, means there is or was, a ton of "surface area" for the Fed Reserve to print/issue dollars like crazy and Congress to continually deficit spend, and not suffer bad "inflation", at least much of the time. (There's always some with debt-backed fiat currency and a central bank, always...) And the effects of that on real wages for Americans arguably accelerated the pressure for two-income married couples/families. Plus a bunch of other social things that drove it too.

There were also other things that arguably robbed the American people of even greater prosperity, like a couple of arguably wasteful wars/occupations that cost trillions of dollars, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and a ton of excessive cold war spending that didn't really match the actual military or economic poverty of the Warsaw Pact. Both out of a cynical desire to line one's pockets, maintain political/military power and influence, and an honest dose of "better safe than sorry" over-caution all fed it. Argue the details all we want, but out of the billions or trillions spent on defense, whatever portion of it was unnecessary or waste, was a tax dollar Americans could have spent on themselves or saved. Or it was deficit spent, and drove inflation, shrinking the dollars Americans had in their purses, wallets, and bank accounts, and paychecks.

President Eisenhower warned us about it in his "Military Industrial Complex" speech, but it went nowhere.

Then, in a double-whammy, LBJ's "Great Society" went and did the same thing with welfare/entitlements as Cold War military spending, and added to it the creation of an intergenerational welfare-dependent underclass that played a big part in stopping whatever good came out of the Civil Rights Movement, and race relations in America dead in it's tracks.

But as much as one can bitch about all of that, and more, China's "most favored nation status", the WTO and the G8, 9, 13 or whatever the hell it is now, NAFTA, and whatever else, had that all been "done right", many things around the edges would indeed be significantly better, but in the large broad strokes, America would still be in the same boat we are now no matter what. Even had every last aspect of US economic, military, and foreign policy all been "perfect" from the standpoint of protecting the best interests of the American people as a whole.

The internal combustion engine, taking on the form of the modern farm tractor, ended the era of America being a significant agrarian economy, in terms of employment and lifestyle for good. And cemented our existence as a majority urban/suburban industrial economy. And WWII, the Baby Boomers, and the post-war decades of America being the last-man-standing economically... none of that was going to last forever.

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Modern japanese women are extremely disloyal and cheating is far more acceptable there than it is in US culture, something to keep in mind.

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What’s wrong with population decline?

Supply/demand.

Less demand? Then less supply. Everything is proportional.

What’s the problem is government socialism, they spent too much of other peoples money and need the population to be a nice pyramid of more young to support the old.

We have 50 million illegals here but they are not as productive and are raised in the concept of equity so when it all crashes here, they will merely take what $$$ is left.

Then we become a corrupt 3rd world begging for any help. Then the globalists make an offer we cannot refuse.

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Nope, if you live outside the major metro areas it is CHEAP liek 50k can get you a NICE house with a tiny yard.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/japanese-country-real-estate/index.html

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Too much internet and manga tentacle porn for the young lads there. They just sit inside and jerk off all day.

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Thought it would be due to their debt.  Last I recall it dwarfed the US’s debt.

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There are YouTube videos showing the growing number of abandoned single family homes in the rural areas of Japan. Some of them look easily livable, they just have no buyers. Their young people only want to live in the mega cities. Japan has also shut down a huge percentage of their public schools over the past 30 years due to lack of school age kids. They are definitely hurting as a society/nation.

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What’s wrong with population decline?

Supply/demand.

Less demand? Then less supply. Everything is proportional.

What’s the problem is government socialism, they spent too much of other peoples money and need the population to be a nice pyramid of more young to support the old.

We have 50 million illegals here but they are not as productive and are raised in the concept of equity so when it all crashes here, they will merely take what $$$ is left.

Then we become a corrupt 3rd world begging for any help. Then the globalists make an offer we cannot refuse.

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I think they'd rather die off than let the gaijin immigrant in.

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Well who in the hell wants to fuck a blurry pixelated pussy.

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Japan really is a society of old people.

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I don't think this is a surprise to anyone. The question is, what's going to happen? There are only two three ways out of this, babies or immigration or robots.

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Don't worry, I got this.

Shopping list:

Plane ticket to Japan - 1
Tentacle monster costume - 1
Condoms - 0

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There numerous abandoned homes and towns across America as well.

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We can ship our immigrants there

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I thought there was too many people?

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Well who in the hell wants to fuck a blurry pixelated pussy.

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LOL fuuuck that!!!

Pay families to fuck, either cash incentives or tax breaks.  Stipulate they have to be Japanese, Korean, or white and provide genetic proof.

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I don't think this is a surprise to anyone. The question is, what's going to happen? There are only two three ways out of this, babies or immigration or robots.

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Who's going to pay for the kids? Clearly not the NEET(Not in Education, Employment, or Training)

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Been wondering what the cause of their declining birth rate is; social, economic, or biological issues?

Maybe all three.

But I'd be happy to help out, lol.

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Well who in the hell wants to fuck a blurry pixelated pussy.

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The developed world is collapsing while the illiterate third world expells it's excess to western shores to everyones detriment

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I don't think this is a surprise to anyone. The question is, what's going to happen? There are only two three ways out of this, babies or immigration or robots.

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I would absofuckinlootley help out if i wasnt married and didn’t have to fly, with emphasis on the later.

Jap males are a bunch of fags.

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Oh noes.  And yet the US is projected to have another 100,000,000 more people by then.

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There have never been more assholes walking around than there are right now. I’m not yet 50 years old and the world population has doubled since I was born. The US population has grown by over 100,000,000 in that time. Sorry I don’t give a fuck the population growth rate has slowed and whatever Ponzi schemes our governments have created on the basis of never ending growth will eventually come crashing down.