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Posted: 1/17/2023 12:01:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People Mock what they don't understand. Lol, ok.... enlighten us and be sure to apply physics to your smug folly |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 12:16:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/17/2023 12:25:12 PM EDT
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I'm intrigued by these, but i dont plan on dropping $90K plus ever on a vehicle, and damn the front end is ugly.
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Posted: 1/17/2023 12:27:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Rivian CEO should concentrate on making sure the company lives to see 2024. Correct. One of my neighbors recently sold his back to Rivian. There were terminal software issues that kept forcing hard reboots of the vehicle, heavy parasitic loads on the battery. For some of the resets, a Rivian technician had to do it in person, meaning lots of tow trucks. That's an anecdote, but what isn't is the fact that they lost most of their senior leadership last week. Guess it's harder to execute on auto manufacturing than one might think. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 12:28:45 PM EDT
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A face only a mother could love.
Not with my money. 
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Posted: 1/17/2023 12:30:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jay sure is getting old I believe he’s 72 years old now. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 12:31:56 PM EDT
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And if the dot fed corrupt gov has to give our money away to sell them?
Fuck that and fuck the government. It’s time for another revolution. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 12:37:19 PM EDT
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Jay Leno is the consummate car guy.
It doesn’t matter to him if it is powered by steam, gas, diesel, electricity or nut coal. I enjoy watching his channel. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 12:43:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What happens if we remove the gov from all things electric vehicles? Will they survive based on organic demand and markets, or does it take big daddy 10%? |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 12:51:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Goes for solar and wind power as well. Without .gov subsidies none of it is cost effective. As to what would happen? Natural market forces would continue to move technology towards greener and more efficient products. Towards more coal and natural gas plus petroleum for transportation. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 12:52:53 PM EDT
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EV's aren't green. Cobalt for batteries mined by child slave labor. Rare earth mining very dirty. Life span of battery? How much does it cost to replace the battery? Guess where the electricity to charge EV's comes from? Grid can't handle a massive increase in EV charging demands even as libs continue to push to reduce our energy producing capabilities. I'll stick with ICE.
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Posted: 1/17/2023 12:57:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Towards more coal and natural gas plus petroleum for transportation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Goes for solar and wind power as well. Without .gov subsidies none of it is cost effective. As to what would happen? Natural market forces would continue to move technology towards greener and more efficient products. Towards more coal and natural gas plus petroleum for transportation. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 1:01:08 PM EDT
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Until some significant breakthroughs in production of electricity, storage and faster recharging, EVs will continue to be toy cars for soccer moms, who drive less than 20 miles per day, and can charge up in their garage. Anything longer range, hauling weight, or even remotely away from civilization, EVs are trash.
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Posted: 1/18/2023 4:08:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jay Leno is the consummate car guy. It doesn’t matter to him if it is powered by steam, gas, diesel, electricity or nut coal. I enjoy watching his channel.  that wasn't a show that was a scripted advert showed off with RJ himself and including some stretched numbers being thrown out by Jay. Range parity lol, I like electric and Rivian is doing cool things but lol. Then there's still the infrastructure, you can't even drive one of these things east on i90/94/80 yet without day long level 2 stops. Come on.
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Posted: 1/18/2023 4:36:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Goes for solar and wind power as well. Without .gov subsidies none of it is cost effective. As to what would happen? Natural market forces would continue to move technology towards greener and more efficient products. Every source of energy has subsidies. The US Navy keeps a lid on middle east warlords to keep the oil moving smoothly. Trillions of dollars. Imagine if tankers started sinking around the middle east what would happen to the price of oil. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 8:32:59 AM EDT
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Replacing ALL cars with EV's will require a total change to how we live. Or a gigantic change in infrastructure.
They sound great if you work in an office building where every parking spot will have a charger, then you drive home to your house with a spacious 2-car garage with double chargers. The concept would work just fine for those people. In the real world, millions and millions of people live in apartment buildings, a house with no garage, their garage is so full of shit they can't park inside, or one house has so many vehicles they are spilling out into the street. They work in retail or construction or any of a million other jobs where they won't be able to park next to a charger. So these "poors" would be required to stop at a charging station and wait around with all the other poors. Without a major breakthrough in charging time, where is the space going to come from to build these huge lots full of chargers for folks to sit around and wait? Idiots will do the same thing they currently do with gas and run out of power on the interstate causing some sort of recovery vehicle to stop and charge them up, fucking up traffic and increasing roadside fatalities. Multiple areas already can't handle the demand for electricity during peak months and now you're going to add on every single vehicle being plugged in to charge? Come on. The world sure as fuck isn't ready for 100% EV and their bullshit timeline is just another leftist pipe dream that only works in their fantasy world. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 8:42:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Until some significant breakthroughs in production of electricity, storage and faster recharging, EVs will continue to be toy cars for soccer moms, who drive less than 20 miles per day, and can charge up in their garage. Anything longer range, hauling weight, or even remotely away from civilization, EVs are trash. lol |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 9:00:54 AM EDT
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Guy down the road from me has one.
I know it’s super fast and all of that, but it’s dopey looking to my eye. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 9:21:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People Mock what they don't understand. people also "mock" what they do understand while there will be those in the crowd that want to avoid cognitive dissonance so they mock their betters who are mocking what they do understand |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 10:01:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guy down the road from me has one. I know it's super fast and all of that, but it's dopey looking to my eye. Once you see it  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 10:10:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hard to invest in something that has a massive hype premium even if it is a sound company. Tesla is probably the biggest example of that in the history of the planet. Very profitable, very fast growing company, yet you are still stuck with an overpriced stock making it mostly uninvestible except maybe up until only recently and even then it's not a slam dunk. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 10:16:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People Mock what they don't understand. 
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Posted: 1/18/2023 10:47:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every source of energy has subsidies. The US Navy keeps a lid on middle east warlords to keep the oil moving smoothly. Trillions of dollars. Imagine if tankers started sinking around the middle east what would happen to the price of oil. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Goes for solar and wind power as well. Without .gov subsidies none of it is cost effective. As to what would happen? Natural market forces would continue to move technology towards greener and more efficient products. Every source of energy has subsidies. The US Navy keeps a lid on middle east warlords to keep the oil moving smoothly. Trillions of dollars. Imagine if tankers started sinking around the middle east what would happen to the price of oil. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 12:00:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jay sure is getting old Possibly beats the alternative. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 12:02:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.asktraders.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Riian-stock-price-12-07-2022.jpg Peaked at $180 in late 2021 Currently trading at $16.45 This. Been a lot of speculation Rivian will wind up BK before end of 2023. Go short? 
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Posted: 1/20/2023 12:34:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This guy has made several trips towing with a Rivian between north of Denver to Southern CA. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=out+of+spec+rivian+towing+ Anyone who wants to tow with an EV needs to watch that video. That was grueling. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 3:02:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At least we didn't need to worry about middle east oil supplies when Trump had us energy independent and our strategic petroleum reserves full. Actually we did. A good war in the Med East and the price of our oil would have shot up. A nice chunk of the US military budget is oil and gas subsidies. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 8:41:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually we did. A good war in the Med East and the price of our oil would have shot up. A nice chunk of the US military budget is oil and gas subsidies. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: At least we didn't need to worry about middle east oil supplies when Trump had us energy independent and our strategic petroleum reserves full. Actually we did. A good war in the Med East and the price of our oil would have shot up. A nice chunk of the US military budget is oil and gas subsidies. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 8:52:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: EV's aren't green. Cobalt for batteries mined by child slave labor. Rare earth mining very dirty. Life span of battery? How much does it cost to replace the battery? Guess where the electricity to charge EV's comes from? Grid can't handle a massive increase in EV charging demands even as libs continue to push to reduce our energy producing capabilities. I'll stick with ICE. Quote HistoryQuoted: EV's aren't green. Cobalt for batteries mined by child slave labor. Rare earth mining very dirty. Life span of battery? How much does it cost to replace the battery? Guess where the electricity to charge EV's comes from? Grid can't handle a massive increase in EV charging demands even as libs continue to push to reduce our energy producing capabilities. I'll stick with ICE. You're not wrong about a couple things. But battery life span is getting into the "you won't own the car long enough to wear out the battery" area. So with pretty much all EVs sold today will incur 'battery replacement costs' with about as much worry as you should have for wearing out the engine and transmission in whatever it is that you drive. Everything wears out, eventually. With EV batteries "eventually" is almost measured in decades now. The grid definitely needs beefing up, but that's probably mostly due to aging infrastructure and population increases. EVs charged overnight when people mostly use them for <40 miles per day commutes won't consume a ton. No, that 100kWh pack in a Model S isn't sucking down 100+Kw every single day. If all of us with gas vehicles all went to gas stations around us at the same time on the same day and all bought a full tank of gas... we'd probably suck most gas stations dry. But that never happens. Why? The "load" isn't all at the same time. Quoted: Quoted: Until some significant breakthroughs in production of electricity, storage and faster recharging, EVs will continue to be toy cars for soccer moms, who drive less than 20 miles per day, and can charge up in their garage. Anything longer range, hauling weight, or even remotely away from civilization, EVs are trash. lol Letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. Must not be anyone who has no need to drive thousands of miles a day, haul more than themselves or a couple people and live near civilization. Those people don't exist. So don't make cars for those people! |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 9:09:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IIRC, pulling an 8K trailer, the Rivian didn’t even make it 30min to the “test hill” before needed to be recharged. LOL No thanks. 90% of the bros driving pickups never hook that shiny ball up to a trailer. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 9:29:50 AM EDT
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Jay Leno collects cars. He has an EV that is about 100 years old too.
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Posted: 1/20/2023 9:42:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How often do you get in your 2011 Ram 1500 and drive 300+ miles without stopping? How would it benefit you if you woke up every morning and your truck had a full tank sitting in your driveway without having to stop at a gas station every day? As always, YMMV, but you're also measuring by what something is capable of, not how you really use it. My mileage would vary. In an average year, I take about 1-2 road trips. Some years, I don't take any at all. And by road trip, I mean Austin to Phoenix (1000 miles) or to Tampa to visit a friend (1100 miles) or Tennessee to visit a friend (1100 miles). I cannot drive for more than 200 miles straight without having to stop to at least take a piss. Better if I can walk around a bit so my ass doesn't hurt. If I could stop and plug in for 20 minutes to get at least another 200 miles of range. My daily driving is normally 8 miles to the datacenter, then home. Maybe 3-4 miles on lunch. Or 7 miles to the WeWork office. My grocery store is 3.5 miles away. Home Depot, WalMart... everything is within 5 miles of home. My parents live 29 miles away. The field I usually go to to fly my paramotor is about 35 miles away. An electric truck with 300 miles range, that I can "fill up" every day/night at home would work perfectly for me. Your use case and mine might differ a little. They might differ wildly. I measure by my use case, you can measure by yours, but remember because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean it won't work for many, many other people. When you use Tesla's potential savings calculator, they should throw in an Angi's list estimate for how much it will cost in your zip code, to install a 50amp service to run the level 2 charger. No way that a 120A/15amp service is going to allow you to charge overnight if you are below 50% battery capacity when you plug it up. I've rented Tesla's in Austin, TX for a leisure trip and three times now in my own AO, I could not have survived during any of those weeks of use with ONLY a 120V/15amp mobile charger. So you save $6500 in gas over an ICE or Hybrid car, but it costs $3000 to install a level 2 charger at your home. Net savings, $3500 over a run of the mill RAV4 Hybrid or Highlander Hybrid. It might cost you more to service the loan on the Telsa, and then it's a wash. If there were superchargers/chargers everywhere, every stall of every lot, I would consider it harder, but right now the infrastructure to support them is woefully under developed. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 9:55:15 AM EDT
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I hope hes wrong about "We have to replace all vehicles with EV".
Geek. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 9:56:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When you use Tesla's potential savings calculator, they should throw in an Angi's list estimate for how much it will cost in your zip code, to install a 50amp service to run the level 2 charger. No way that a 120A/15amp service is going to allow you to charge overnight if you are below 50% battery capacity when you plug it up. I've rented Tesla's in Austin, TX for a leisure trip and three times now in my own AO, I could not have survived during any of those weeks of use with ONLY a 120V/15amp mobile charger. So you save $6500 in gas over an ICE or Hybrid car, but it costs $3000 to install a level 2 charger at your home. Net savings, $3500 over a run of the mill RAV4 Hybrid or Highlander Hybrid. It might cost you more to service the loan on the Telsa, and then it's a wash. If there were superchargers/chargers everywhere, every stall of every lot, I would consider it harder, but right now the infrastructure to support them is woefully under developed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How often do you get in your 2011 Ram 1500 and drive 300+ miles without stopping? How would it benefit you if you woke up every morning and your truck had a full tank sitting in your driveway without having to stop at a gas station every day? As always, YMMV, but you're also measuring by what something is capable of, not how you really use it. My mileage would vary. In an average year, I take about 1-2 road trips. Some years, I don't take any at all. And by road trip, I mean Austin to Phoenix (1000 miles) or to Tampa to visit a friend (1100 miles) or Tennessee to visit a friend (1100 miles). I cannot drive for more than 200 miles straight without having to stop to at least take a piss. Better if I can walk around a bit so my ass doesn't hurt. If I could stop and plug in for 20 minutes to get at least another 200 miles of range. My daily driving is normally 8 miles to the datacenter, then home. Maybe 3-4 miles on lunch. Or 7 miles to the WeWork office. My grocery store is 3.5 miles away. Home Depot, WalMart... everything is within 5 miles of home. My parents live 29 miles away. The field I usually go to to fly my paramotor is about 35 miles away. An electric truck with 300 miles range, that I can "fill up" every day/night at home would work perfectly for me. Your use case and mine might differ a little. They might differ wildly. I measure by my use case, you can measure by yours, but remember because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean it won't work for many, many other people. When you use Tesla's potential savings calculator, they should throw in an Angi's list estimate for how much it will cost in your zip code, to install a 50amp service to run the level 2 charger. No way that a 120A/15amp service is going to allow you to charge overnight if you are below 50% battery capacity when you plug it up. I've rented Tesla's in Austin, TX for a leisure trip and three times now in my own AO, I could not have survived during any of those weeks of use with ONLY a 120V/15amp mobile charger. So you save $6500 in gas over an ICE or Hybrid car, but it costs $3000 to install a level 2 charger at your home. Net savings, $3500 over a run of the mill RAV4 Hybrid or Highlander Hybrid. It might cost you more to service the loan on the Telsa, and then it's a wash. If there were superchargers/chargers everywhere, every stall of every lot, I would consider it harder, but right now the infrastructure to support them is woefully under developed. You are correct that if you're driving more than 20-30 miles a day a level 1 (120v) will not keep up with your usage at night. The most expensive Tesla home charger is $400, least expensive is $200....if your installation costs you another $3000+....you're getting ripped off. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 10:05:20 AM EDT
[#35]
Can't get past those cartoon eye headlights.
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Posted: 1/20/2023 10:08:48 AM EDT
[#36]
"Made to enjoy the outdoors"
Range not a concern because it's driven by city people who Never drive more than 100miles. 
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Posted: 1/20/2023 10:14:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How often do you get in your 2011 Ram 1500 and drive 300+ miles without stopping? How would it benefit you if you woke up every morning and your truck had a full tank sitting in your driveway without having to stop at a gas station every day? As always, YMMV, but you're also measuring by what something is capable of, not how you really use it. My mileage would vary. In an average year, I take about 1-2 road trips. Some years, I don't take any at all. And by road trip, I mean Austin to Phoenix (1000 miles) or to Tampa to visit a friend (1100 miles) or Tennessee to visit a friend (1100 miles). I cannot drive for more than 200 miles straight without having to stop to at least take a piss. Better if I can walk around a bit so my ass doesn't hurt. If I could stop and plug in for 20 minutes to get at least another 200 miles of range. My daily driving is normally 8 miles to the datacenter, then home. Maybe 3-4 miles on lunch. Or 7 miles to the WeWork office. My grocery store is 3.5 miles away. Home Depot, WalMart... everything is within 5 miles of home. My parents live 29 miles away. The field I usually go to to fly my paramotor is about 35 miles away. An electric truck with 300 miles range, that I can "fill up" every day/night at home would work perfectly for me. Your use case and mine might differ a little. They might differ wildly. I measure by my use case, you can measure by yours, but remember because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean it won't work for many, many other people. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 300 miles to a charge? I easily go further than that on a tank of fuel in my 2011 Ram 1500…and it won’t take me 90 minutes to get back on the road from empty. How often do you get in your 2011 Ram 1500 and drive 300+ miles without stopping? How would it benefit you if you woke up every morning and your truck had a full tank sitting in your driveway without having to stop at a gas station every day? As always, YMMV, but you're also measuring by what something is capable of, not how you really use it. My mileage would vary. In an average year, I take about 1-2 road trips. Some years, I don't take any at all. And by road trip, I mean Austin to Phoenix (1000 miles) or to Tampa to visit a friend (1100 miles) or Tennessee to visit a friend (1100 miles). I cannot drive for more than 200 miles straight without having to stop to at least take a piss. Better if I can walk around a bit so my ass doesn't hurt. If I could stop and plug in for 20 minutes to get at least another 200 miles of range. My daily driving is normally 8 miles to the datacenter, then home. Maybe 3-4 miles on lunch. Or 7 miles to the WeWork office. My grocery store is 3.5 miles away. Home Depot, WalMart... everything is within 5 miles of home. My parents live 29 miles away. The field I usually go to to fly my paramotor is about 35 miles away. An electric truck with 300 miles range, that I can "fill up" every day/night at home would work perfectly for me. Your use case and mine might differ a little. They might differ wildly. I measure by my use case, you can measure by yours, but remember because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean it won't work for many, many other people. What you are describing is a grocery getter, which is essentially the only use case where EV's win against ICE. No one buys a brand new "truck" to use as a grocery getter, and that's now how Rivian is marketing themselves. |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 10:16:06 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He did an interview with Corolla, looks pretty good honestly The doctors scrubbed off all the burnt skin. Evidently it took a lot of the wrinkles off. He joked that his wife wants the same treatment. |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 10:18:24 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Solar panels and big batteries. BIG CARS BURN BIG BATTERIES Can you make your own gas? You can if you have crude oil available.  Nigeria's illegal oil refineries (2010) |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 10:20:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought they were a Chinese company. Polestar is the Chinese EV in the American market. |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 8:53:51 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What you are describing is a grocery getter, which is essentially the only use case where EV's win against ICE. No one buys a brand new "truck" to use as a grocery getter, and that's now how Rivian is marketing themselves. You think Rivian is marketing their truck as a "grocery getter"?  You have obviously not seen 2 seconds of Rivian's marketing. And you're measuring with your own ruler, which probably looks dissimilar to mine. |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 9:07:25 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When you use Tesla's potential savings calculator, they should throw in an Angi's list estimate for how much it will cost in your zip code, to install a 50amp service to run the level 2 charger. No way that a 120A/15amp service is going to allow you to charge overnight if you are below 50% battery capacity when you plug it up. I've rented Tesla's in Austin, TX for a leisure trip and three times now in my own AO, I could not have survived during any of those weeks of use with ONLY a 120V/15amp mobile charger. So you save $6500 in gas over an ICE or Hybrid car, but it costs $3000 to install a level 2 charger at your home. Net savings, $3500 over a run of the mill RAV4 Hybrid or Highlander Hybrid. It might cost you more to service the loan on the Telsa, and then it's a wash. If there were superchargers/chargers everywhere, every stall of every lot, I would consider it harder, but right now the infrastructure to support them is woefully under developed. But if you drive 234275 miles each year and the price of tea in China is.... I had a level 2 charger at home, as I had a Volt for 4 years. It did not need a 50A service upgrade, I just needed an appropriate outlet wired up in the garage. I think I paid $300 for that. The EVSE cost around $900, IIRC. That was 2013 when I bought it. Tesla chargers aren't really "level 1" (120v) and "level 2" (240V, usually 7200W). The level 1/2 EVSEs would be for vehicles that use the J1772 connector. Tesla is different... I'm not that familiar with their EVSE, but I know they CAN be configured to push much more than the aforementioned Level 2, and likely would require at least a purpose-wired outlet. Some houses might need additional power, some might not. But needing to charge even 50% of a Tesla every day overnight tells me you're driving too much in a day, every day, to seriously consider one. If you HAVE to charge a car like that more than 50% every single day, you will want to be close to a Supercharger. Given most people don't drive more than ~40 miles a day (and that was when pretty much everyone commuted to work every day), a level 2 charger will give you 40 miles of range in about 2 hours of charging. If you've got a Tesla and do end up with a higher output EVSE, it would be much shorter. It all depends on your use case. And with everything... Your Mileage May Vary |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 9:15:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: video shot in June before his brush with fire  Jay Leno Speaks Out For First Time Since Major Burn Accident |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 10:01:16 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What you are describing is a grocery getter, which is essentially the only use case where EV's win against ICE. No one buys a brand new "truck" to use as a grocery getter, and that's now how Rivian is marketing themselves. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 300 miles to a charge? I easily go further than that on a tank of fuel in my 2011 Ram 1500…and it won’t take me 90 minutes to get back on the road from empty. How often do you get in your 2011 Ram 1500 and drive 300+ miles without stopping? How would it benefit you if you woke up every morning and your truck had a full tank sitting in your driveway without having to stop at a gas station every day? As always, YMMV, but you're also measuring by what something is capable of, not how you really use it. My mileage would vary. In an average year, I take about 1-2 road trips. Some years, I don't take any at all. And by road trip, I mean Austin to Phoenix (1000 miles) or to Tampa to visit a friend (1100 miles) or Tennessee to visit a friend (1100 miles). I cannot drive for more than 200 miles straight without having to stop to at least take a piss. Better if I can walk around a bit so my ass doesn't hurt. If I could stop and plug in for 20 minutes to get at least another 200 miles of range. My daily driving is normally 8 miles to the datacenter, then home. Maybe 3-4 miles on lunch. Or 7 miles to the WeWork office. My grocery store is 3.5 miles away. Home Depot, WalMart... everything is within 5 miles of home. My parents live 29 miles away. The field I usually go to to fly my paramotor is about 35 miles away. An electric truck with 300 miles range, that I can "fill up" every day/night at home would work perfectly for me. Your use case and mine might differ a little. They might differ wildly. I measure by my use case, you can measure by yours, but remember because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean it won't work for many, many other people. What you are describing is a grocery getter, which is essentially the only use case where EV's win against ICE. No one buys a brand new "truck" to use as a grocery getter, and that's now how Rivian is marketing themselves. You must not get out much….I have tons of coworkers who commute to the office in a truck and might haul some lumber in the bed 3 times a year. They don’t need a truck, they want a truck. |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 12:23:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Coworker has one. He’s a wiener and is obsessed with it. Has the matching “collab” water bottle and commemorative matchbox car. Can’t shut the fuck up about it. And it has a name. And he only calls it by its name. Peak douche. That is exactly what I assume about each owner when I see one. |
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