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Posted: 1/19/2016 3:23:21 AM EST
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What would an F16 have done? Stevens was long dead. And the CIA probably did not want to call in fire on their own position. If there had been air support, even just doing flyovers for presence, the mortar attack would've never happened (IMO- no military experience so it doesn't count for much). I doubt the jihadis would've been out in the open setting up mortar positions with a couple of F-16s on station. Glen and Tyrone would still be alive, Ubben and Oz wouldn't have gotten disfigured. ETA: We also have the benefit of hindsight. At the time they were requesting air support, they didn't know they weren't going to be overrun. Neither did Obama and Clinton. There existed a very real possibility that everyone in that compound was going to be injured, captured, tortured, paraded through the streets, used in propaganda videos, held for ransom, tortured some more, have sensitive gear / intel stolen from them, or be killed, and they did nothing. FIFY Where have you been? We now have "smart" diplomacy to handle all that. Never mind a little iron fist up front to prevent all that, after the fact, we're experts. 
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Posted: 1/19/2016 3:35:55 AM EST
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Not arguing either way on the topic...but it is can be a lot more complex than just having aircraft show up. Will the USAF even talk to the guys on the ground without a JTAC or CCT? Will they drop bombs in a foreign city for people they don't know who don't have an AF call sign and may not even be on the same radio net? How will the ground guys designate targets? If the USAF bombs a bunch of civillians after dropping bombs for people they don't know who dont have a recognized call sign...who is at fault? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mullen - Disgraceful - from 19 SEP 2013 testimony LTC Gibson (SOC CDR - AFRICOM) told to "hold in place." ETA: Mullen also said "there was a physics problem with getting air support to Benghazi during the attack." I always though Mullen was a Fred McMurray looking douche. There wasn't a physics problem that the Air Force couldn't have rapidly planned through. It's also interesting that the UAV wasn't able to provide any support itself.  The argument is the F16s didn't have the legs to fly direct and do any good. The counter argument is that supposedly they could have fast hopped the F-16s to a closer base, refueled, armed and been on station in 3-4 hours, they could have staggered them and had several making sorties - loaded going out as empty were coming in. I don't know if this is correct, but at least one talking head presented this as a valid option that was not explored. Not arguing either way on the topic...but it is can be a lot more complex than just having aircraft show up. Will the USAF even talk to the guys on the ground without a JTAC or CCT? Will they drop bombs in a foreign city for people they don't know who don't have an AF call sign and may not even be on the same radio net? How will the ground guys designate targets? If the USAF bombs a bunch of civillians after dropping bombs for people they don't know who dont have a recognized call sign...who is at fault? But it doesn't have to be. Everything you state is true if you actually expected someone to deliver ordnance; the USAF is just about never going to drop w/o a JTAC on scene. A show of force, on the other hand, might have done something...I would have taken a SoF over nothing. |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 4:26:03 AM EST
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Mullen - Disgraceful - from 19 SEP 2013 testimony LTC Gibson (SOC CDR - AFRICOM) told to "hold in place." ETA: Mullen also said "there was a physics problem with getting air support to Benghazi during the attack." I always though Mullen was a Fred McMurray looking douche. There wasn't a physics problem that the Air Force couldn't have rapidly planned through. It's also interesting that the UAV wasn't able to provide any support itself. The argument is the F16s didn't have the legs to fly direct and do any good. The counter argument is that supposedly they could have fast hopped the F-16s to a closer base, refueled, armed and been on station in 3-4 hours, they could have staggered them and had several making sorties - loaded going out as empty were coming in. I don't know if this is correct, but at least one talking head presented this as a valid option that was not explored. Not arguing either way on the topic...but it is a lot more complex than just having aircraft show up. Will the USAF even talk to the guys on the ground without a JTAC or CCT? Will they drop bombs in a foreign city for people they don't know who don't have an AF call sign and may not even be on the same radio net? How will the ground guys designate targets? If the USAF bombs a bunch of civillians after dropping bombs for people they don't know who dont have a recognized call sign...who is at fault? You can get drop authority from a JATAC certified individual watching the feed off-site. Can you do that over a Roshan cell phone from a local number? I don't doubt anything is possible...but calling CAS is hard on a pre-planned mission where you actually have good comms and the corret freqs, fills, and radios. Trying to do it on the fly with no idea what the freqs or callsigns are...and likely without the same comms that DOD uses... Very little chance. Like I said, I'm not saying yay or nay...just that it is pretty complex to put bombs on target. |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 4:41:44 AM EST
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Can you do that over a Roshan cell phone from a local number? I don't doubt anything is possible...but calling CAS is hard on a pre-planned mission where you actually have good comms and the corret freqs, fills, and radios. Trying to do it on the fly with no idea what the freqs or callsigns are...and likely without the same comms that DOD uses... Very little chance. Like I said, I'm not saying yay or nay...just that it is pretty complex to put bombs on target. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There wasn't a physics problem that the Air Force couldn't have rapidly planned through. It's also interesting that the UAV wasn't able to provide any support itself. The argument is the F16s didn't have the legs to fly direct and do any good. The counter argument is that supposedly they could have fast hopped the F-16s to a closer base, refueled, armed and been on station in 3-4 hours, they could have staggered them and had several making sorties - loaded going out as empty were coming in. I don't know if this is correct, but at least one talking head presented this as a valid option that was not explored. Not arguing either way on the topic...but it is a lot more complex than just having aircraft show up. Will the USAF even talk to the guys on the ground without a JTAC or CCT? Will they drop bombs in a foreign city for people they don't know who don't have an AF call sign and may not even be on the same radio net? How will the ground guys designate targets? If the USAF bombs a bunch of civillians after dropping bombs for people they don't know who dont have a recognized call sign...who is at fault? You can get drop authority from a JATAC certified individual watching the feed off-site. Can you do that over a Roshan cell phone from a local number? I don't doubt anything is possible...but calling CAS is hard on a pre-planned mission where you actually have good comms and the corret freqs, fills, and radios. Trying to do it on the fly with no idea what the freqs or callsigns are...and likely without the same comms that DOD uses... Very little chance. Like I said, I'm not saying yay or nay...just that it is pretty complex to put bombs on target. Agreed. What they really needed were some Apaches. 
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Posted: 1/19/2016 5:55:16 AM EST
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I understand that. How hard would it have been for oboso to use his magic phone to give authorization to africom so they could send in SF? Or better yet why didn't state allow the SF that had been in country prior to Stevens visit to stay an extra month or so? I place blame solely on the gov and because of them 4 good men died in that shit hole. The forces (a CIF on exercise in Croatia and a FAST from Rota) actually belonged to EUCOM, the reason they could not move was they belonged to EUCOM and prior to the new norm exorder only the SECDEF or President could order a change of OPCON from one Geographic Combattant Commander to another. That did not happen till that morning. The reasons the SST was reduced was DoS refuse the offer from DoD to extend them because they were in a rush to normalize relationships. DoS was actual pursuing weapons permits for the local guard force (kind of a joke if you think about it) and the most humorous the advertisement actually mentioned extending same sex partner benefits for those hired. Either way the FedGov is to blame for the 4 dead Americans. Also wasn't a Gen and Adm both relieved because of them sending in a QRF type force? General Ham was not relieved. Period. Admiral Gauoette was relieved for a completely unrelated matter five thousand miles away. His CSG might as well have been on Mars for the good it could have done in that particular situation -- they were operating near Guam at the time. |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 7:51:46 AM EST
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Like I said, I'm not saying yay or nay...just that it is pretty complex to put bombs on target. You can do it from a UAV feed via a QRF SOTAC, which they had, viewable from anywhere with a SIPR connection...with the contract guys on the ground utilizing good ol' "E" on the PACE plan talking them on through Roshan. Calling CAS isn't hard, especially from an AC-130...which was realistically available to them. An AC-130 requires very little to do so. The hard part is getting a green light. Or...you could get your QRF team on the ground bringing radios to the fight, as is their primary purpose, instead of leaving them sitting in a hangar watching everything unfold on CNN. If there is a will, there is always a way. There was no will whatsoever here. |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 8:04:12 AM EST
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And the BITCH who left them unprotected............and didn't insist on at least DOING SOMETHING to help them.................and FUCKING LIED about some fucking obscure video being the cause...........MIGHT BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF AMERICA!!
 
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Posted: 1/19/2016 8:44:06 AM EST
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What would an F16 have done? Stevens was long dead. And the CIA probably did not want to call in fire on their own position. Breaking the sound barrier 50 feet above the rooftops can be a deterrent. This. The strategic equivalent of "racking a shotgun." 
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Posted: 1/19/2016 8:44:20 AM EST
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You can get drop authority from a JATAC certified individual watching the feed off-site. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not arguing either way on the topic...but it is a lot more complex than just having aircraft show up. Will the USAF even talk to the guys on the ground without a JTAC or CCT? Will they drop bombs in a foreign city for people they don't know who don't have an AF call sign and may not even be on the same radio net? How will the ground guys designate targets? If the USAF bombs a bunch of civillians after dropping bombs for people they don't know who dont have a recognized call sign...who is at fault? You can get drop authority from a JATAC certified individual watching the feed off-site. That predator that was overhead for hours knew what was going on. |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 9:01:24 AM EST
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The movie was okay.. I honestly felt that bay did a disservice to the men that died and to the American people by not clearly filling in a lot of the plot holes or explaining exactly who left these guys behind and the people that were consciously aware of it taking place There was an opportunity here and it was not seized If he would've done that more than half of the American people wouldn't have watched it. However this movie is a part of history now, and history looks back and the winners and losers. Who do you think will be blamed for his when history looks back at it? I hate to break it to you but I went to a Saturday showing at 7 o'clock and I was one of four people there.. You might as well put some spunk on the movie because more people are going to leave clueless than anything I saw it on a Saturday afternoon at about 1:30 PM in downstate New York, about 15 minutes from NYC, and the theater was almost full. |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 9:10:06 AM EST
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The only .mil on the ground were former .mil. I do not see them calling in bomb strikes. No authority.
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Posted: 1/19/2016 9:13:15 AM EST
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Didn't even notice the Salient guns. What did annoy me is 40 armed terrorists advancing on the compound at midnight and the US operators defending the compound had to wait to see a weapon pointed in their direction before they could open fire. Like there was any question why 40 armed men would be advancing on the compound at midnight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone else get annoyed by the Salient Glock and AR? Just sorta removed me from the movie. Didn't even notice the Salient guns. What did annoy me is 40 armed terrorists advancing on the compound at midnight and the US operators defending the compound had to wait to see a weapon pointed in their direction before they could open fire. Like there was any question why 40 armed men would be advancing on the compound at midnight. This. It was a teachable moment for the wife when she asked why they didn't just shoot the terrorists surrounding them. I explained that the Rules of Engagement required they be fired upon first before returning fire, and this has cost many American lives. This is a liberal policy and forces our soldiers to fight with their hands tied behind their back. In the movie they even mentioned how they would be sent to jail for life if they killed someone outside the ROE. |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 9:16:43 AM EST
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I don't think I can watch those people being left to die. Too infuriating. I can't even watch "Black Hawk Down". I would never make it thru this movie. Important for people to know that this is the kind of shit that happens when democrats win elections. |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 9:16:55 AM EST
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The only .mil on the ground were former .mil. I do not see them calling in bomb strikes. No authority. FAC(A) |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 9:20:52 AM EST
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To me this is every bit as much about the negligence of not ensuring proper security in the first place.
1. It's full of muslims. I know, they're our friends and they love us wherever we go. 2. It's chock-fucking-loaded with weapons. Not just small arms but big guns, explosives, ordnance. 3. Most of the people there cannot be relied on to defend themselves or act in crisis. The fact that they stood all this up there and left it wide the fuck open for so long is grossly negligent. When you add in the expressions of danger and requests for better security that were denied, it passes gross negligence with both feet over the line of being criminal. |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 9:22:19 AM EST
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Saw it on Sunday and the theater was full. I thought it was good, actors did a great job. I'm gonna have to read the book now
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Posted: 1/19/2016 9:28:27 AM EST
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You can do it from a UAV feed via a QRF SOTAC, which they had, viewable from anywhere with a SIPR connection...with the contract guys on the ground utilizing good o' "E" on the PACE plan talking them on through Roshan. Calling CAS isn't hard, especially from an AC-130...which was realistically available to them. An AC-130 requires very little to do so. The hard part is getting a green light. Or...you could get your QRF team on the ground bringing radios to the fight, as is their primary purpose, instead of leaving them sitting in a hangar watching everything unfold on CNN. If there is a will, there is always a way. There was no will whatsoever here. Absolutely. The political leadership decided it was more expedient to let dozens of Americans it put into harm's way be killed by a bunch of savages than to release the dogs. |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 9:35:57 AM EST
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The only .mil on the ground were former .mil. I do not see them calling in bomb strikes. No authority. Quote HistoryQuoted:
The only .mil on the ground were former .mil. I do not see them calling in bomb strikes. No authority. They are not current on their certs or hold active callsigns anymore, but remote air control is nothing new. In fact, most TACP's direct CAS for a conventional maneuver battalion from inside a centralized TOC through UAV feed. Again, if somebody wanted something to happen it would have. We're confusing "can't" with "won't". Quoted:
Absolutely. The political leadership decided it was more expedient to let dozens of Americans it put into harm's way be killed by a bunch of savages than to release the dogs. Benghazi is still happening on smaller scales every day across the world. |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 9:38:56 AM EST
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Saw it last night with 3 others.
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Posted: 1/19/2016 9:43:55 AM EST
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Saw it last night with 3 others. Glad I saw it. I don't know if I can watch it knowing the tragedy that happened and those men killed and our fucking government doing NOTHING to help them before or during the attack. No...........my blood pressure is high and it could be dangerous. |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 10:18:37 AM EST
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I don't think I can watch those people being left to die. Too infuriating. This FBHO |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 10:43:36 AM EST
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How do you differentiate between the goat fuckers? Honestly, if any of them rolled up on me I'd think they were enemies. Also why are there so many Benz and nice cars over there?
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Posted: 1/19/2016 10:53:00 AM EST
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How do you differentiate between the goat fuckers? Honestly, if any of them rolled up on me I'd think they were enemies. Also why are there so many Benz and nice cars over there? Holy shit, that was a fucking nightmare!!!  All those fuckers wandering around in civvies with AKs and RPGs and our guys not knowing who the fuck who...
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Posted: 1/19/2016 10:53:54 AM EST
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I don't think I can watch those people being left to die. Too infuriating. This FBHO Please see it. The more people who see this, the more likely we are to get more movies like this out of Hollyweird. |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 11:02:15 AM EST
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How do you differentiate between the goat fuckers? Honestly, if any of them rolled up on me I'd think they were enemies. Also why are there so many Benz and nice cars over there? Oil money. http://www.globalresearch.ca/libya-from-africas-richest-state-under-gaddafi-to-failed-state-after-nato-intervention/5408740 |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 11:04:44 AM EST
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Just reading the box office numbers, it looks like this movie will likely make back its production budget of $50mm but maybe not much more. It looks to track alongside his last sub $20mm premiere, 2013's Pain & Gain. It will be a solid seller on bluray for the next 20 years, like BHD. |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 11:07:46 AM EST
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In a lot less than 13 hours you could coordinate the dip clearances to get a B-1 and tankers from Qatar to Bengazi. Less time if you pulled a couple of assets off of over Iraq. Hell they could have had jets out of England there in less time if they really cared to let us try. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Physics problem is a euphemism today, that equates to the tyranny of distance of yesterday. I often hear Cols and Gens say that when they talk about we cannot get there from here in the time required,. In a lot less than 13 hours you could coordinate the dip clearances to get a B-1 and tankers from Qatar to Bengazi. Less time if you pulled a couple of assets off of over Iraq. Hell they could have had jets out of England there in less time if they really cared to let us try. The most damming thing is that we have dozens of outposts in contested areas in the region, and there are not any real pre-designed plans of action in case of an emergency to evac or support. I am sure there is a lot to it, but damn, you would think that they would spend a couple of days developing a few contingency plans for every semi-permanent location we put in place. |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 11:20:50 AM EST
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The most damming thing is that we have dozens of outposts in contested areas in the region, and there are not any real pre-designed plans of action in case of an emergency to evac or support. I am sure there is a lot to it, but damn, you would think that they would spend a couple of days developing a few contingency plans for every semi-permanent location we put in place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Physics problem is a euphemism today, that equates to the tyranny of distance of yesterday. I often hear Cols and Gens say that when they talk about we cannot get there from here in the time required,. In a lot less than 13 hours you could coordinate the dip clearances to get a B-1 and tankers from Qatar to Bengazi. Less time if you pulled a couple of assets off of over Iraq. Hell they could have had jets out of England there in less time if they really cared to let us try. The most damming thing is that we have dozens of outposts in contested areas in the region, and there are not any real pre-designed plans of action in case of an emergency to evac or support. I am sure there is a lot to it, but damn, you would think that they would spend a couple of days developing a few contingency plans for every semi-permanent location we put in place. That's just it...there are existing plans at multiple levels. It's basically a requirement every time we put Americans "some place" dangerous. None of these plans were given a green light for execution. |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 12:03:23 PM EST
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Great movie. 5/5 IMHO.
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Posted: 1/19/2016 1:17:54 PM EST
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Posted: 1/19/2016 1:20:53 PM EST
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Finished the book last night. I had honestly forgotten which 4 Americans died, so the chapter "Mortars" sucked.
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Posted: 1/19/2016 1:41:21 PM EST
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For those that read the book, about how many Libyans are reported to have died during their attack against the Annex? The movie, while realistic in the manner in which they fought, made it seem like it was a massacre, numerous human wave attacks wiped out.
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Posted: 1/19/2016 1:52:24 PM EST
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Saw it over the weekend with a couple of friends. Great movie.
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Posted: 1/19/2016 2:04:34 PM EST
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For those that read the book, about how many Libyans are reported to have died during their attack against the Annex? The movie, while realistic in the manner in which they fought, made it seem like it was a massacre, numerous human wave attacks wiped out. The only numbers they give are when they are referencing how many attackers there might be. In the zombieland firefight, they never actually see anyone, the militia ends up capturing two guys when they finally show up before escorting them to the airport. Actually, most of the firefights, they are shooting at muzzle flashes and don't really see anyone. I can remember maybe a couple of times when they are shooting at people they actually see, and those were at the Consulate. ETA: They see cars and people gathering in a parking lot in the distance before the zombieland firefight. |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 2:11:53 PM EST
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Just reading the box office numbers, it looks like this movie will likely make back its production budget of $50mm but maybe not much more. It looks to track alongside his last sub $20mm premiere, 2013's Pain & Gain. It will be a solid seller on bluray for the next 20 years, like BHD. WTF is bluray? |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 2:29:04 PM EST
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Great movie. 5/5 IMHO. Military left them stranded due to political orders from the top. Politicians left them stranded, the military was ready and raring to go. There's a subtle difference but enough of one that matters. Did anyone else laugh when the BMOs and kids came out to collect their RoPer goatfucking jihadi daddies? |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 2:40:42 PM EST
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How do you differentiate between the goat fuckers? Honestly, if any of them rolled up on me I'd think they were enemies. Also why are there so many Benz and nice cars over there? 
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Posted: 1/19/2016 3:55:12 PM EST
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The only .mil on the ground were former .mil. I do not see them calling in bomb strikes. No authority. Psstt.. They were trained CIA employees with a fucking laser designator with authority to use it. They never got a chance to use it. Sources who have debriefed the team that was at the CIA annex the night of the attack in Benghazi say that the CIA operators from the Global Response Staff, or GRS, were equipped with Mark 48 machine guns and had two types of laser capability. Each weapon had both a “passive” as well as a “visible” laser that could be used against the Libyan attackers.
The presence of laser capability on the roof of the CIA annex confirms what Fox News sources that night in Benghazi originally said, which is that they had laser capability and for 5 hours and 15 minutes were wondering where the usual overhead air support was, especially since, according to this source, they radioed from the annex beginning as early as midnight asking for it. The Annex team also had Ground Laser Designators, or GLD. This kind of laser equipment emits code and signal when there is overhead air support, unmanned aerial surveillance, drones or Spectre gunships, for instance. |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 3:58:15 PM EST
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Just reading the box office numbers, it looks like this movie will likely make back its production budget of $50mm but maybe not much more. It looks to track alongside his last sub $20mm premiere, 2013's Pain & Gain. It will be a solid seller on bluray for the next 20 years, like BHD. WTF is bluray? Sorry, it just came out and I forgot that most people haven't heard of it yet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 4:08:13 PM EST
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Just reading the box office numbers, it looks like this movie will likely make back its production budget of $50mm but maybe not much more. It looks to track alongside his last sub $20mm premiere, 2013's Pain & Gain. It will be a solid seller on bluray for the next 20 years, like BHD. WTF is bluray? Sorry, it just came out and I forgot that most people haven't heard of it yet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray Blu-ray has been out for ten years. 
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Posted: 1/19/2016 4:40:53 PM EST
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Saw it Friday. Theater was pretty packed. At the end of the movie a handful of people clapped but soon became silent. The mood was very somber. Left me feeling very thoughtful for hours.
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Posted: 1/19/2016 5:13:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And the BITCH who left them unprotected............and didn't insist on at least DOING SOMETHING to help them.................and FUCKING LIED about some fucking obscure video being the cause...........MIGHT BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF AMERICA!! |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 5:37:24 PM EST
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Posted: 1/19/2016 6:31:12 PM EST
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The only numbers they give are when they are referencing how many attackers there might be. In the zombieland firefight, they never actually see anyone, the militia ends up capturing two guys when they finally show up before escorting them to the airport. Actually, most of the firefights, they are shooting at muzzle flashes and don't really see anyone. I can remember maybe a couple of times when they are shooting at people they actually see, and those were at the Consulate. ETA: They see cars and people gathering in a parking lot in the distance before the zombieland firefight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For those that read the book, about how many Libyans are reported to have died during their attack against the Annex? The movie, while realistic in the manner in which they fought, made it seem like it was a massacre, numerous human wave attacks wiped out. The only numbers they give are when they are referencing how many attackers there might be. In the zombieland firefight, they never actually see anyone, the militia ends up capturing two guys when they finally show up before escorting them to the airport. Actually, most of the firefights, they are shooting at muzzle flashes and don't really see anyone. I can remember maybe a couple of times when they are shooting at people they actually see, and those were at the Consulate. ETA: They see cars and people gathering in a parking lot in the distance before the zombieland firefight. I have seen 10 kills out of 125-150 attackers thrown around prior..... GRS is talking smaller scale than that. 5-10 plus 20 or more, about 25-30 total (i.e. outnumbered 400% by shooters, discounting any usefulness of Feb 17) given the likelihood of overlap. .gov and GRS team leader were talking much much less than that even. There was an eye in the sky with this info I would assume since we are talking about remote targeting from somewhere central. FALSE FINDING #3: Page 9, Paragraph 4/Page 10, Paragraph 1 states: Within approximately one hour, at about 12:30 AM, the attackers began one of several attempts to assault the Annex. Some of this attack was captured on video. CIA personnel recounted that the attacks included RPG’s, satchel charges, gelatin explosives, and small arms fire, with around five to ten people amassing in the adjacent field. These security personnel were able to repel the attackers. Around 2:00 to 2:30 AM, there was a second attempt on the compound that lasted 5 to 10 minutes that was also repelled. FROM THE CIA CONTRACTORS on the GROUND: This portion of the report significantly downplays the ferocity of the multiple attacks on the Annex. The second attack involved closer to 20 or more terrorists and was much longer and more aggressive than the first. We have stated this on many occasions to all that have interviewed us, including Rep. Mike Rogers and his committee. It should also be noted emphatically that the GRS security contractors– Kris “Tanto” Paronto, John “Tig” Tiegen, Mark “Oz” Geist, Jack Silva, and DB Benton–were the only CIA personnel who saw the attackers from start to finish, and we were the only CIA personnel who were involved in both firefights. Both the Benghazi Chief of Base and CIA GRS Team Leader hid in Building C during both attacks and the following mortar attack. Neither the Chief of Base “Bob” or the GRS Team Leader came up to the Annex Roofs or fighting positions to see what was going on outside the Annex walls. Any testimony outside that coming from the GRS Security Contractors holds limited value since no one except the GRS Security Contractors saw or was involved with both attacks in their entirety. |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 7:04:30 PM EST
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Bob had a good idea. Stevens disagreed.
Be advised, we have reports from locals that a Western facility or US Embassy/Consulate/Government target will be attacked in the next week…As a precaution, the operators moved their body armor, long guns, ammunition, night-vision goggles, and other tactical gear into their bedrooms, so they could more quickly “jock up,” as they called preparing for battle. Discussions had been under way for some time about “co-locating” the Compound and the Annex on the same property, so Bob the Annex chief suggested a trial run. He urged the Diplomatic Security team to move to the Annex during the ambassador’s visit, for added layers of protection. The offer was declined… http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2014/12/02/cia-benghazi-heroes-debunk-house-intel-report-as-full-of-inaccuracies-with-firsthand-account-from-the-ground/ |
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Posted: 1/19/2016 8:00:57 PM EST
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I am in the process of reading the book again. After that I plan to see the movie again.
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Posted: 1/19/2016 10:42:25 PM EST
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Just reading the box office numbers, it looks like this movie will likely make back its production budget of $50mm but maybe not much more. It looks to track alongside his last sub $20mm premiere, 2013's Pain & Gain. It will be a solid seller on bluray for the next 20 years, like BHD. Dunno, maybe. Just to level set, Sicario made only $50mm domestically and it's a far superior movie than 13 Hours. |
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Posted: 1/20/2016 5:18:16 AM EST
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Just reading the box office numbers, it looks like this movie will likely make back its production budget of $50mm but maybe not much more. It looks to track alongside his last sub $20mm premiere, 2013's Pain & Gain. It will be a solid seller on bluray for the next 20 years, like BHD. Dunno, maybe. Just to level set, Sicario made only $50mm domestically and it's a far superior movie than 13 Hours. Sicario was awesome, just watched it on AP. I think 13 Hours will continue to grow in popularity as time progresses. |
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Posted: 1/20/2016 10:29:45 AM EST
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Just reading the box office numbers, it looks like this movie will likely make back its production budget of $50mm but maybe not much more. It looks to track alongside his last sub $20mm premiere, 2013's Pain & Gain. It will be a solid seller on bluray for the next 20 years, like BHD. WTF is bluray? Sorry, it just came out and I forgot that most people haven't heard of it yet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray Blu-ray has been out for ten years. Sorry.. forgot to add my sarcasm emote. |
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Posted: 1/22/2016 11:48:19 PM EST
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In theatre now during previews. Friday night at 10:30 and theres 6 other people in here. Waiter says that everybody is in ride along 2 tonight. Our country is fucked....
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