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Posted: 11/11/2021 12:53:17 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Prosecution blew it up on objection so it's been nerfed and is largely pointless, now Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Exactly who and what is going on with this video stuff right now? Prosecution blew it up on objection so it's been nerfed and is largely pointless, now If this last minute change interrupts the flow of how the defense presents their evidence, look, that's entirely on the defense team and their expert. Entirely. This was foreseeable. So foreseeable, that I would have had two sets of testimony ready to go. One with the commentary, just in case the prosecution was napping, and one without. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 12:53:26 PM EDT
[#2]
Cripes.... "the time between the 2nd and 3rd shots was .247 seconds..."
I need to go mow the lawn or something, this is a waste of time. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 12:53:39 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That is what I thought as well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I took that to mean that when he talks about the video timeline he can only talk about certain previously agreed upon stuff. Not that he couldn't talk about use of force which is outside the ADA's specific objection.............  That is what I thought as well. We'll find out I guess.............. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 12:53:59 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I took that to mean that when he talks about the video timeline he can only talk about certain previously agreed upon stuff. Not that he couldn't talk about use of force which is outside the ADA's specific objection............. According to the lawyers, during prelims they agreed to not invite UOF testimony and the prosecution wouldn't bring theirs. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 12:55:39 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: According to the lawyers, during prelims they agreed to not invite UOF testimony and the prosecution wouldn't bring theirs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I took that to mean that when he talks about the video timeline he can only talk about certain previously agreed upon stuff. Not that he couldn't talk about use of force which is outside the ADA's specific objection............. According to the lawyers, during prelims they agreed to not invite UOF testimony and the prosecution wouldn't bring theirs. Ah gotcha........thanks. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 12:55:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. The objection was to how the clips and points of interest were labeled. The labeling was fine if he was qualified for use of force in this trial, but he was not, and these qualifications were established quite some time back, and as such, that commentary should have been removed from anything to which he might be using in today's testimony. If this last minute change interrupts the flow of how the defense presents their evidence, look, that's entirely on the defense team and their expert. Entirely. This was foreseeable. So foreseeable, that I would have had two sets of testimony ready to go. One with the commentary, just in case the prosecution was napping, and one without. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Exactly who and what is going on with this video stuff right now? Prosecution blew it up on objection so it's been nerfed and is largely pointless, now If this last minute change interrupts the flow of how the defense presents their evidence, look, that's entirely on the defense team and their expert. Entirely. This was foreseeable. So foreseeable, that I would have had two sets of testimony ready to go. One with the commentary, just in case the prosecution was napping, and one without. Yeah, I got caught in the moment Going lot better now, I didn't get how the state has been making it look like the event took 20+ minute but I went back and watched yesterday and understand the context for this now |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 12:55:41 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Primacy and recency. You tend to open with and close with the things you most want the judge or jury to remember. They probably sandwiched Kyle in the middle in case things didn't go super well and want the last thing the jury heard from them to be just how quickly everything happened. I understand that and this guy could drive that home but obviously getting that on the record was a gamble based on the long sidebar. A good backup would have been nailing down the time of his attempted surrender with the cop's testimony and the time of the initial confrontation with another witness, at least with that you could get a timeline in with your closing. Just seemed risky the way it's being done seeing as it's so critical. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 12:55:52 PM EDT
[#8]
Man, you’d like to think that the expert witness testimony would be more impressive. I don’t think this has been much help so far.
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Posted: 11/11/2021 12:55:55 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have busted on Lucas in the past but that is legit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/194380/5BF153D6-FC0E-42FE-966F-64FC89FD7040_jpe-2162956.JPG After this is over Kyle should take this offer. I have busted on Lucas in the past but that is legit. People will trash him over wearing a helicopter hook in his armor (yeah its nerdy but who cares?) While smearing an ally of the 2nd. We love eating our own for not passing purity tests. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 12:56:27 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Expert witness is establishing time between 4 shots KR fired into Rosenbaum - 3/4 of a second for all 4 So the ADA can’t break it down one by one and claim KR should have stopped at one or two or three. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 12:57:28 PM EDT
[#11]
I'm gonna laugh if the prosecution pulls some BS like trying to claim it's a machinegun now.
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Posted: 11/11/2021 12:57:43 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So the ADA can’t break it down one by one and claim KR should have stopped at one or two or three. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Expert witness is establishing time between 4 shots KR fired into Rosenbaum - 3/4 of a second for all 4 So the ADA can’t break it down one by one and claim KR should have stopped at one or two or three. That's my take.............
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Posted: 11/11/2021 12:57:45 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People will trash him over wearing a helicopter hook in his armor (yeah its nerdy but who cares?) While smearing an ally of the 2nd. We love eating our own for not passing purity tests. My ragging him was about mixing 5.56 and 300BO in a mess of the back of his vehicle. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 12:58:01 PM EDT
[#14]
Shot 1 to shot 2 - .263
Shot 2 to shot 3 - .247 Shot 3 to shot 4 - .229 Kyle's finger was warming up and getting faster as he went. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 12:58:13 PM EDT
[#15]
The jury is going to get bored here pretty quickly if they can't tie this into a story the Defense is trying to paint.
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Posted: 11/11/2021 12:58:34 PM EDT
[#16]
This is a clusterfuck.
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Posted: 11/11/2021 12:58:52 PM EDT
[#17]
What's on the agenda after Dr. Black's testimony is finished?
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Posted: 11/11/2021 12:58:55 PM EDT
[#18]
We couldn’t get the kid a better tie?
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Posted: 11/11/2021 12:59:04 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So the ADA can’t break it down one by one and claim KR should have stopped at one or two or three. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Expert witness is establishing time between 4 shots KR fired into Rosenbaum - 3/4 of a second for all 4 So the ADA can’t break it down one by one and claim KR should have stopped at one or two or three. Defense was arguing that State spending an hour on 30 frames which comprised less than a second (Rosembaum shooting) needed context from the expert witness. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 12:59:09 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So there is NO use of force expert for the defense. Huh, thought that was something they had. News to me. I think Barnes had a whole bunch of various experts working on this for Kyle but he and his efforts were sidelined by the defense team right before trial. very foolish on their part. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 12:59:20 PM EDT
[#21]
My favorite part of today's feed from RL (so far) was the phrase "Resting Binger Face"
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Posted: 11/11/2021 12:59:57 PM EDT
[#22]
Is the jury even in the courtroom right now or are the lawyers just reviewing what Black is going to say/show?
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:00:05 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a clusterfuck. I've been on quite a few juries and this happens a lot from what I experienced. It did get irritating. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:00:26 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is the jury even in the courtroom right now or are the lawyers just reviewing what Black is going to say/show? I think they are in the jury room. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:00:45 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The jury is going to get bored here pretty quickly if they can't tie this into a story the Defense is trying to paint. My thoughts exactly. If the attention spans of a bunch of ARFCommers are getting thin, imagine not being a gun person and listening to this. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:00:47 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is the jury even in the courtroom right now or are the lawyers just reviewing what Black is going to say/show? Jury is present |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:00:49 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Around here the police officers coming in with any uniform except dress blues would be a big no no. Detectives could do suits but no way would BDUs and outer carriers be acceptable. There are cops there not in “class a” or equivalent business attire at a nationally televised trial? |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:00:52 PM EDT
[#28]
Lunch break at work the view was on. As expected they completely misrepresented the event. Said he chased the first guy and none of them were armed. Last two were only trying to save others from an active shooter. Cops let him go home that night because he wasn’t black.
Media needs to be held responsible for inciting riots with false information. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:00:57 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We couldn’t get the kid a better tie? Today we dress Mobster style |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:01:06 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What's on the agenda after Dr. Black's testimony is finished? Hopefully something much more compelling. This entire presentation is poor at best |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:01:10 PM EDT
[#31]
Going downhill. This is not really helping. Defense better make it a point to rehash this on closing in a much better flowing commentary
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:01:39 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think Barnes had a whole bunch of various experts working on this for Kyle but he and his efforts were sidelined by the defense team right before trial. very foolish on their part. Yep. Richards should have been off the team or at least in the background. I can point to several points where he has lagged the jury. He has hurt more than he has helped overall. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:01:41 PM EDT
[#33]
WTH are they trying to prove by playing slowed videos?
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:01:50 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Man, you’d like to think that the expert witness testimony would be more impressive. I don’t think this has been much help so far. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:02:02 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why is the defense only now attempting to introduce an overall timeline that illustrates how quickly this whole event unfolded? buffoonery Why? |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:02:21 PM EDT
[#36]
BOOMER TECH DEFENSE
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:02:40 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a clusterfuck. Cant see the video and this is getting a little drawn out, needs to land somewhere |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:02:50 PM EDT
[#38]
Sad that he didn't kill Jump'n Jack.
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:02:56 PM EDT
[#39]
Shut the fuck up and play the unedited and unaltered videos at real time speed.
You can talk about it and analyze it later. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:03:25 PM EDT
[#40]
I hope they're getting to some bombshell revelation because this BS of 2 minutes finding and indexing a 1-3 second video, then rinse and repeat is all just so tiresome.
"Play... STOP. Have you slowed this video?" wait, wait, wait.  |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:03:50 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: .23 splits. Nice work, Kyle. All hits, but some are out of the A zone |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:04:02 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We couldn't get the kid a better tie? |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:05:11 PM EDT
[#43]
Haven't watch the slow-motion since it happened
Kyle was dead if this goes any other way, both his individual skill and luck played a huge role in his survival |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:05:31 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Going downhill. This is not really helping. Defense better make it a point to rehash this on closing in a much better flowing commentary Defense has been outstanding. Some of this stuff is very boring, but it must be put on the record. Especially if they are going to push for a summary judgement. Also, the closing argument is where this type of boring stuff can be summarized to make a point that may resonate with the Jury or even a single jurist. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:05:32 PM EDT
[#45]
The slow mo video couldn't have been more clear.
He was assulted while running away, kicked in the face on the ground, battered with a skate board and bicep man advanced on him pointing a gun. There is zero room for anything other than self defense. The defense could not have made it any more clear. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:05:41 PM EDT
[#46]
While necessary this is pretty boring.
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:06:21 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's hours and hours and hours of prep between the attorney and the expert to make this go well. That's really hard to get in new prep time during the week of a trial. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Man, you’d like to think that the expert witness testimony would be more impressive. I don’t think this has been much help so far. Oh I’m sure. From a layman’s perspective though, there just hasn’t been much value added by this testimony so far today. He may prove me wrong as they get rolling, I’m hoping so at least. |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:06:22 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: While necessary this is pretty boring. Better they did it in the morning but man it's snoozer watching the live stream |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:06:26 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think Binger is better then people here are giving him credit for. He is an utterly horrible, contempatble shitbird of a human being but even with his condescension and snark towards the judge, he is pulling out all the stops to prosecute his case. He is running into difficulties that he probably doesn't usually face (a judge that is less then friendly towards him) but I bet he has a pretty solid record of convictions as well as throwing cases without getting caught when the agenda deems it. He’s not dumb, he knows what he’s doing. Time will tell if he flew too close to the sun |
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Posted: 11/11/2021 1:06:45 PM EDT
[#50]
ADA got the expert witness and the Defense council off their game
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