Is that legal?

ETA: Either way it would destroy GMs stock price, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that tanked the company.

The $250 per week will be totally exhausted in 22 weeks.

GM has a unique opportunity to strike a fatal blow to the UAW. They can kill the beast once and for all.

I don’t think that would kill them, but it would greatly upset the membership. Upset them enough and the UAW will lose it’s gold mine, and it’s fangs.

The trick would be making sure all the anger is target at the UAW, and not GM.

...and the final contract, whenever they work it out, will have GM payback their healthcare costs retroactively. Nothing to see here

It would be interesting to see GM make the long term strategic play of dragging this out for 6+ months.

At current burn rate, UAW's strike fund runs dry in about 22 weeks. That will change, obviously, as folks cross the line and go back to work. Their burn rate will also increase after 1/1/2020, as the strike pay goes up 10% next year.

UAW members at other facilities are threatening to strike, partly because they are upset with the UAW itself!

Link to story

I like the part about getting strike pay up to $750 per week. I don't think they realize where that money comes from.

While I agree this is likely, I don't understand it. It just gives away bargaining power for the next time.

They’re fighting for better wages in a company that loses more market share every year and that shrank their US market down to one third of their total market share basically because of them....

I have my doubts that GM is going to bend over and take it up the ass this time around.

If those groups force membership to secure employment and threaten and intimidate non-members, yes.

There will be to much external pressure from dealers, suppliers, shareholders and even the Trump administration to purposefully let it go that long.

I know.

That's why I'm hoping the Ford and FCA workers break ranks with UAW bosses and compel their own strikes as a show of solidarity.

Gotta get that burn rate much higher.

They’ll figure it out quickly.

A side note, I’m hearing that there’s been a move by the local that represents Ford in Louisville to have Jones ousted.

ETA: “World socialist website”. I’d probably ignore everything written there.

hold on, a company hamstrung by fed law and held literally at gun point by workers cannot negotiate effectively in the best interests of said company.  All for workers rights but unions, how started workers rights and had them codified, are no longer needed in today's day an age.  Unions now want more than the economic benefit of their member contributions (in working) to their employer.

At a previous job I managed a location that was union labor and one that wasn’t.  I could never retain the best talent at the union shop due to seniority crap...I could have a top 5% guy but couldn’t promote him fast enough to retain him.  So I ended up with a workforce of average at best guys...the non-union location always outperformed the union as a result.

Both sides are losing, I think it was said GM loses about $50M a day.

All I'm hearing is more pissing and moaning.  No logic or facts in your argument. You sound like someone I used to supervise and ultimately fired. Someone at the bottom rung of labor and pissed off at the world, because he doesn't have the skills or drive to better himself.

I pay 1700 a month

Goddamn.

Absolutely legal to hire "temp" workers during a strike, also legal for non strikers to cross the picket lines. Tank stocks? Probably but so does the strike. I'd much rather see a fast and hard rebound not hamstringed by the unions rather than a slow recovery with little peak before the next, gives us more or we will shut you down.

Strikes are fucking stupid. Litterly pay me more, or we will fuck you up, and no ones going to stop us because the goverment is on our side. Goverment sanctioned extortion at it's best flat out economic terrorism at its worst.

Striking workers should absolutely be able to be fired. Dont show up, and perform the job we pay you to do? Kick rocks and pound sand.

If you walked out at my former employer, you would be replaced with a contractor.  They replaced all UAW skilled and unskilled labor with contractors/temps/management and went on to set quality, productivity, and profitability records for the next decade.

Nobody is irreplaceable at a well run company.

Hes been drinking the koolaid, somehow thinks UAW vehicles are better than toyota/honda.

Still haven't figured that one out.

GM will just continue to slowly move their production to Mexico. Will be far cheaper just to pay the tariff than to deal with unions. Mexican workers get paid $3-5hr.

Everyone will bitch, but who can blame them?

The UAW is one of the main reasons we lost so many of the good manufacturing jobs in this country.

$43/hr, pension, and a Cadillac health plan to drive a forklift?  Fuck that.  Let's send the jobs to Mexico.

. Reading comprehension is clearly not your strong suit.

There is a lot of fake news out there spouting off numbers like $75/hr for the old employees.  Whatever that number is, it is a total number including all benefits, overtime, and whatever other bean counter shit can be thrown in there to inflate the number, not to mention being biased to all the older workers at this point, and including many union jobs that are not just line workers.  Do not confuse an hourly wage with an "average compensation" number, they are vastly different things.  99% of ARF has already proven time and time again that they have no fucking clue what numbers get added to go from a base hourly wage to total compensation number that gets used in the press.  We see it in every health insurance thread, most folks here don't even know what their health insurance truly costs.

Other thing is so much complaining about the wages of the auto workers.  $50 is too high.  $15 is right.  The jobs are easy, etc.  Those jobs under the "new" tiers are set where the market wants them to be.  I will say if you think $15/hr is too high then it seems to me you are out of touch with labor and service jobs, and have never really thought about what it takes to do one of these jobs and where it fits in the current wage market.  $10-15/hr are fast food wages just about everywhere in the US now.  These folks can work their way into some of the easier jobs people like to use as an example, but that job is what they do.  Day in, day out.  They can't be 5 minutes late to their post.  They can't leave early.  They are not at a desk shitposting in GD.  They don't get a day on the road and in most cases they are not really developing any marketable job skill.  They do the same boring ass repetitive job day in day out and are on their feet all day.  Anyone who thinks that is not at least a $15/hr job has never been responsible for hiring and keeping blue collar workers.  $15/hr gets you high school kids and adult fuckups in most markets.

I'm not going to keep posting and go back and forth with others in this thread about all the other stuff.  These two things just stick out as having a lot of particularly stupid posts about them.

Keep laughing.  I'm sitting here collecting a pension and benefits that will probably pay me more than you will ever earn in a lifetime of work.

Now THATS funny.  


ETA.  Get back to work, peasant.  Those groceries aren't going to bag themselves.

I don't blame the union members for GM cars sucking balls, I blame the management for that. I blame the union members for the UAW funneling money to the same cock suckers that want to take my guns away.

Keep up with your bullshit, maybe one day you can get someone other than yourself to believe it!

You are aware that if you're being paid more than market rate due to union strong-arming, you're not worth nearly as much as you think you are? This is the whole union mentality in a nutshell.  You're too afraid to go have a real independent career because of your fuzzy blanket, the union.

That needs to change.

From reading this thread, I've gathered nobody is believing your particular brand of bullshit.

The truth hurts, doesn't it, comrade?  

You can't even identify what you think is bullshit and what you think the truth is. All you do is troll with absurd, rambling bullshit.

Unions make me sick

All they do is drive up costs and protect mediocre employees from getting shit canned.

Quit self projecting.  The only demented fool that is rambling is you.

I'm pretty sure I offered one of you socialist pukes a $31/hr job and you still won't take it.

Actually, I wouldn't hire a piece of shit like you to shine my boots.

I still say GM should just declare a 6 month closure...call it mental health days...and totally 100% shut down affected factories.  Let them protest empty buildings.

In 6 months, see if they need to do it again.

Auto worker's (union and not) wages and benefits come from the retail sale of a product.

Want to get mad at striking unions?
Get mad at taxpayer paid union workers.

When Obama bailed out GM it cost the taxpayers 11 billion but feel free to slam people that actually work and build vehicles for a living.

You think Microsoft is on your side?

I don't even think you are on our side.

Fuck it IBTL.

This not true.

Absolutely valid point.

FUAW for that!

Because I choose not to delude myself and spend energy hating 1 thing while 300 far worse things are stabbing me in the back? You probably supported 26 worse things than the uaw in the last week.

We must be winning though, look at the direction everything is moving.

Yup.  Almost everything wrong with unions would disappear if the company could tell the labor provider that they were no longer buying their product.  But freedom of association isn't really a thing in America.

Had to order parts for a 2019 Chevy spark, collision repair. Luckily the dealer I used had 3 of the 5 parts and located the other 2 at another OKC dealer.

Otherwise this customer would be SOL as there is NO parts delivery to the GM dealers while there is a strike.

Fuck unions.

Exactly what they should do.

Then focus on updating their plants here and automating everything possible.

Wow, I didn't even think about the parts side of the equation.

Don't you love it when a group of econo-terrorists can hold an entire company and its consumers hostage? What makes it even better is that they do so with the full support of the United States Government.

Sure, on their own damn time.

in case it wasn't clear, let me reiterate: FUCK UNIONS