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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:30:49 PM EDT
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So people shouldn't be able to associate with other people or groups freely? |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:31:52 PM EDT
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Not while trying to hold a company hostage |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:32:51 PM EDT
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UAW will negotiate back pay for them, and they’ll get it. Unions need to be banned. Surely the door of freedom of association should swing both ways. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:33:03 PM EDT
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@Miami_JBT Any info on Communism of the UAW? Seem to be a walking book of Communism info. The communists are very proud of their work at the UAW. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communists_in_the_United_States_Labor_Movement_(1937%E2%80%9350) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Automobile_Workers https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-7/lrs-uaw.htm https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-1/ol-atlanta-conf/uaw.htm https://www.influencewatch.org/labor-union/united-auto-workers-uaw/ http://www.columbia.edu/~lnp3/mydocs/labor/not_automatic.htmhttps://aflcio.org/about/history/labor-history-people/walter-reuther https://www.encyclopedia.com/economics/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/united-automobile-workers-uaw https://case.edu/ech/articles/u/united-auto-workers |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:33:11 PM EDT
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Because nobody is entitled to a job. Don’t like the working conditions? Go elsewhere. Striking is for petulant children. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not sure why this is so funny? Don’t like the working conditions? Go elsewhere. Striking is for petulant children. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:33:20 PM EDT
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GM needs better lobbyists so they can get an H1B visa slave army like big tech
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:33:41 PM EDT
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Just started a new job, and I make less than them, and pay more in insurance. Not really feeling to empathetic toward them.
Oh and fuck unions. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:34:17 PM EDT
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Good! I’ll take a job at half the pay 1/4 of the benefits and not bitch for a second.
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:34:27 PM EDT
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Unions still exist because shitbag employers play their little games...then whine when those games are played on them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not sure why this is so funny? Don’t like the working conditions? Go elsewhere. Striking is for petulant children. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:34:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What are the parameters in which a company is forced to hire union workers? Quote HistoryQuoted: What are the parameters in which a company is forced to hire union workers? Quoted:
Explain to me how a company is forced to employ union workers. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:34:48 PM EDT
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Explain to me how a company is forced to employ union workers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So people shouldn't be able to associate with other people or groups freely? I'll give you a hint.... it ends in ".gov" |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:35:37 PM EDT
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So all people who associate freely into groups are socialist enclaves and communist sympathizers? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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UAW will negotiate back pay for them, and they’ll get it. Unions need to be banned. If you don't let them associate freely, it's so much harder to find socialist enclaves and communist sympathizers.  But some socialists and communists associate freely into groups, often known as unions.
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:38:39 PM EDT
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So people shouldn't be able to associate with other people or groups freely? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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UAW will negotiate back pay for them, and they’ll get it. Unions need to be banned. Do those people have freedom of (and/or from) association, too? 
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:38:44 PM EDT
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GM needs better lobbyists so they can get an H1B visa slave army like big tech |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:39:20 PM EDT
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GM shouldn't give the workers anything until it finishes paying back the United States for its bailout. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GM should give workers an increase equal to what UAW union personnel gave each other.  |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:39:34 PM EDT
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I know nothing about whats going on. From my no info point of view I see nothing funny of mocking men fighting for a better work environment and wage. should they just shut up taking less? Everything you dont like is a socialist right? The rights socalist is the lefts nazis. Shits old. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not sure why this is so funny? Do you have a problem with that, comrade? should they just shut up taking less? Everything you dont like is a socialist right? The rights socalist is the lefts nazis. Shits old. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:39:41 PM EDT
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You guys are idiots. This is a headline for "eff unions" Same Union has 850 million in strike funds, the interest of which will cover these members insurance. The UAW will get paid back for whatever they spend on strikes. It's a no win situation for GM. But hey, it sounds like a zinger right!  |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:39:45 PM EDT
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Watch “American Factory” on Netflix and see the caliber of people in the UAW and you’ll marvel at the fact that your tires and doors haven’t fallen off while going around a turn.
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:39:59 PM EDT
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There's a hundreds of thousands of employers in this country and countless opportunities for self employment. There is absolutely no reason to suffer a shitbag employer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not sure why this is so funny? Don’t like the working conditions? Go elsewhere. Striking is for petulant children. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:40:37 PM EDT
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It's the best economy ever!
Fire/ lay them off, so they can get new jobs. Hire people that want to be there and everybody wins! If GM has to pay double for new workers, then that is what the market demanded. Let the system work, since we are getting rid of illegals and allowing a free market to work. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:41:37 PM EDT
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I get to pay more for a car because these people are paid far above market value for their labor. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not sure why this is so funny? Do you have a problem with that, comrade? should they just shut up taking less? Everything you dont like is a socialist right? The rights socalist is the lefts nazis. Shits old. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:41:53 PM EDT
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lol Spare us the hard working man bullshit. These are overpaid slobs that are die hard members of the dimocrat party that would take your private health care, guns, and most of your income and waste it on third world shitholers that waltz across the border for free shit, health care, and a bit o rape and a few that will rent a GM built truck to run over christmas shoppers. They are commies, acting like commies. Fuckem.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:42:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm no fan of the UAW, but GM paid back its loan ahead of schedule. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:43:30 PM EDT
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Outstanding. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:43:55 PM EDT
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Look at what unions did to Hostess.
The union would rather run the company out of business than give up any of their perks. Hostess came back unionless and is doing just fine. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:44:23 PM EDT
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Fuck unions. I've worked with multiple ones over the years in various jobs including my current one and they are all pains in the asses.
Usually a bunch of overpaid whiny babies who think they are entitled to more then anyone else for doing the same or less of a job. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:45:07 PM EDT
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What are the parameters in which a company is forced to hire union workers? So it's a Catch 22 for car manufacturing companies... spend billions moving equipment, or spend billions on unions. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:45:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In perfect world, GM could fire people that didn't work. They can't. You telling us that you're okay with type of government interference in the free market? If it was union vs employer without gov’t putting a thumb, foot and ass on the union side of the scale I wouldn’t care. See e.g. the federal gov’t under Reagan vs the air traffic controllers. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:45:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They can. GM can stop working with anyone they want and hire whoever they want. They've made contracts which have obligations which have consequences, but if they don't like it they shouldn't have agreed. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:46:25 PM EDT
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I wish they would just hold a hiring conference in another city to replace all these greedy bastards Nothing prevents GM from hiring a bunch of temps, sending salaried employees to the production line, and resuming operations as normal. Union gets locked out, strike goes on for years, and the UAW runs out of money. The few remaining picketers can either retire or go back to work at 1/2 pay. Cat defeated the UAW in the late 90s this way, and so could GM - if only it had the balls. Without a contract in place, GM has no obligation to use union labor. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:48:15 PM EDT
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Not while trying to hold a company hostage Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So people shouldn't be able to associate with other people or groups freely? |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:48:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They can. GM can stop working with anyone they want and hire whoever they want. They've made contracts which have obligations which have consequences, but if they don't like it they shouldn't have agreed. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:49:57 PM EDT
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What are the parameters in which a company is forced to hire union workers? |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:50:03 PM EDT
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What is wrong with contract negotiations? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So people shouldn't be able to associate with other people or groups freely? Would you: A) Lock every thread, lock every user account, and prevent the site from operating until you got what you wanted or B) Approach the Brownells and the Avilas to discuss your proposal |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:50:03 PM EDT
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Watch “American Factory” on Netflix and see the caliber of people in the UAW and you’ll marvel at the fact that your tires and doors haven’t fallen off while going around a turn. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Watch “American Factory” on Netflix and see the caliber of people in the UAW and you’ll marvel at the fact that your tires and doors haven’t fallen off while going around a turn. Shamelessly stolen from the other UAW thread: Quoted:
Might already be posted but just in case: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/feds-investigating-current-and-former-uaw-union-bosses-for-yearslong-embezzlement-scheme |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:51:25 PM EDT
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I believe there was something like $24B outstanding, that could have been a combined total, I don't remember. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I'm no fan of the UAW, but GM paid back its loan ahead of schedule. The problem is that the .gov wanted the company to pay them back with a certain percentage of stock shares. Those shares are underperforming so the .gov has not recovered the full amount of the loan. But that’s their own dumb fault for asking for stocks instead of actual money. GM has fulfilled their end of the loan, and did so a few years earlier than expected. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:51:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They can. GM can stop working with anyone they want and hire whoever they want. They've made contracts which have obligations which have consequences, but if they don't like it they shouldn't have agreed. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:52:05 PM EDT
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You tell me, can those autoworkers freely choose to not associate with the UAW and still keep their job with the automakers? Surely the door of freedom of association should swing both ways. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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UAW will negotiate back pay for them, and they’ll get it. Unions need to be banned. Surely the door of freedom of association should swing both ways. If a car company opens up a new factory in some state the company gets to decide if they want to invest in hiring people with their HR groups or they can work out a contract with a group of people who already have the ability to fill the jobs needed. So just as the car company is free to choose union or not so is the worker. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:52:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I get to pay more for a car because these people are paid far above market value for their labor. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:52:57 PM EDT
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What is wrong with contract negotiations? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So people shouldn't be able to associate with other people or groups freely? |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:53:49 PM EDT
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So we're cheering for American manufacturing employees to have worse lives at the expense of a shitty corporation simply because they collectively bargain instead of individually and everyone voluntarily did this? Cool, got it.
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:54:31 PM EDT
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Fuck those striking cock suckers
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:55:05 PM EDT
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What is wrong with contract negotiations? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So people shouldn't be able to associate with other people or groups freely? |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:55:32 PM EDT
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Fuck unions.
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:55:39 PM EDT
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So now GD like GM again..
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:55:41 PM EDT
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I’m no fan of the UAW, but GM paid back its loan ahead of schedule. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GM should give workers an increase equal to what UAW union personnel gave each other. Today's GM is not your father's GM. Only the name is the same, (well, other assets also). GM bondholders got it driven deep and twisted, they would have done better in a conventional bankruptcy court. The old GM shareholders lost it all, which is as it should be, but the bondholders lost part of what should have been theirs to the UAW. You know who to thank. 
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:56:10 PM EDT
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So now GD like GM again.. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:56:31 PM EDT
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So we're cheering for American manufacturing employees to have worse lives at the expense of a shitty corporation simply because they collectively bargain instead of individually and everyone voluntarily did this? Cool, got it. |
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:56:45 PM EDT
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That’s standard procedure.
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Posted: 9/17/2019 8:56:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know nothing about whats going on. From my no info point of view I see nothing funny of mocking men fighting for a better work environment and wage. should they just shut up taking less? Everything you dont like is a socialist right? The rights socalist is the lefts nazis. Shits old. |
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