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Posted: 1/2/2019 11:48:42 AM EST


February 4, 1969. The XB70 Valkyrie makes it's final landing at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton Ohio. It will then become a museum piece at the museum there.
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Early bro dozer and rolling coal?
Link Posted: 1/2/2019 12:19:00 PM EST
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I see that F104 stays at a  pretty good distance.
Link Posted: 1/2/2019 1:48:02 PM EST
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No crap. That's how they lost a Valkyrie and a Starfighter.
Link Posted: 1/2/2019 2:06:21 PM EST
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Yea that F104 that crashed into it just too close. Before the crash.









Link Posted: 1/2/2019 2:15:45 PM EST
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Interesting thread OP, thanks...
Link Posted: 1/2/2019 2:18:29 PM EST
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I wonder how it would have done in Linebacker II.
Link Posted: 1/2/2019 2:19:40 PM EST
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yeah wow...6 phantom engines in that thing or what?  In fairness it probably wasn't optimized for 500 feet and 200 knots.
Link Posted: 1/2/2019 2:27:37 PM EST
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yeah wow...6 phantom engines in that thing or what?  In fairness it probably wasn't optimized for 500 feet and 200 knots.
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Each of those engines had 10,000 pounds more thrust than one of the Phantom's J79s.
Link Posted: 1/2/2019 2:28:24 PM EST
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I remember this happening as a kid:

Linky

If I remember correctly, they used steel plates on the road surface to keep it from leaving ruts......
Link Posted: 1/2/2019 3:13:54 PM EST
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Here's a video of some of the move. Skip forward to about 1:30 for the XB-70.

Historic Aircraft Move 1970
Link Posted: 1/2/2019 3:27:21 PM EST
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What were they running it on?  Offroad diesel?   Thing was smoking so bad I was looking for a Russian flag painted on it!
Link Posted: 1/3/2019 12:10:30 PM EST
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XB-70A Valkyrie: Progress Report 15
Link Posted: 1/3/2019 12:25:43 PM EST
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From what I read, they nicknamed the engines 'The Six Pack'.
The plane was nicknamed 'The Savior' because when people first saw it they would say: "Jesus Christ".  
Link Posted: 1/3/2019 12:40:35 PM EST
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I have a bit of the windscreen and honeycomb skin of the XB70 that crashed at Edward's. Cool airplane.
Link Posted: 1/3/2019 4:21:16 PM EST
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The real reason the XB-70 program was dropped.  Smaller, faster, cheaper...
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Link Posted: 1/3/2019 4:24:02 PM EST
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Well...

not really the same job...
Link Posted: 1/3/2019 4:26:02 PM EST
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Actually the last proposal made to save the B-70 program was to built a fleet of RB-70s, until Johnson revealed the existence of the faster and more affordable SR-71.
Link Posted: 1/3/2019 4:27:04 PM EST
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Actually the last proposal made to save the B-70 program was to built a fleet of RB-70s, until Johnson revealed the existence of the faster and more affordable SR-71.
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not really the same job...  
Actually the last proposal made to save the B-70 program was to built a fleet of RB-70s, until Johnson revealed the existence of the faster and more affordable SR-71.
Huh, well, I'll have to look that up.

Learn something new every day.
Link Posted: 1/3/2019 4:27:18 PM EST
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yeah wow...6 phantom engines in that thing or what?  In fairness it probably wasn't optimized for 500 feet and 200 knots.
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Early bro dozer and rolling coal?
yeah wow...6 phantom engines in that thing or what?  In fairness it probably wasn't optimized for 500 feet and 200 knots.
Nope.  6 YJ-93s.
Link Posted: 1/3/2019 4:37:11 PM EST
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Actually, there WERE plans to conduct strike missions from the -72, as well as to build an enlarged 4 engine variant - at least according to Aviation Weekly from back then ....
Link Posted: 1/3/2019 4:41:56 PM EST
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A beautiful bird with a short sad history.  
Link Posted: 1/3/2019 4:44:25 PM EST
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The Russians developed the Sukhoi T-4 in response to the XB-70 but the program was cancelled.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_T-4

Made of titanium and stainless steel. The real Firefox?



Link Posted: 1/3/2019 4:48:19 PM EST
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Holy final AOA batman!

It was a flying leaning chimney.  
Link Posted: 1/3/2019 6:13:06 PM EST
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The Russians developed the Sukhoi T-4 in response to the XB-70 but the program was cancelled.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_T-4

Made of titanium and stainless steel. The real Firefox?

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4733/24657722887_8c1cc0037b_b.jpg

https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/3/2/3/0837323.jpg?v=v40  
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Actually more a militarized version of the TU-144 "Concordski"

TU-144


T-4  Note the cockpit/nose and tail area similarities


T-4 versus XB-70
Link Posted: 1/3/2019 6:18:20 PM EST
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Those engines weren't so efficient at less than 17 quajillion miles per hour.
Link Posted: 1/3/2019 8:38:54 PM EST
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The MiG 25?
Link Posted: 1/3/2019 9:01:05 PM EST
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Beautiful plane. Seems like anytime you see jet plane footage from that era theres always a huge trail of black smoke.
Link Posted: 1/3/2019 9:12:09 PM EST
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More on the crash.

https://tacairnet.com/2014/10/27/crash-of-the-valkyrie/

Some comments from the link:

George André
I was a Lockheed F-104 test pilot and one of my tasks once was to brief Joe Walker on the differences of the F-104N as compared to the other models NASA was flying at the time. I have a treasured photo of Joe and I at the airplane. It was our understanding that Joe’s elevator contacted the end of the downward deflected B-70 right wingtip which caused a pitch up and loss of control. This scenario is somewhat more valid than a “whirlpool hurricane” drawing his airplane into a “snap roll” (roll yes, true snap roll = no way).
The other unmentioned fact of this accident, as we understood it was by usual Air Force standards, very poorly organized and unbriefed and was a typical – “lets meet at thirty thousand over Edwards and take some pictures”. More of a “play it by ear” mission.
Joe was a very fine fellow and a loss to the aviation world. I would later have the same job at TWA as did Al White in his short time there in 1967.

George Kamburoff
I was there that day. It was the day of my first X-15 launch, and on the way out in the pitch black early morning, I failed to see the XB-70 Air Vehicle #2 was not still parked outside our shop. The X-15 launch was scrubbed after takeoff, leaving their chase planes to assist in the XB-70 disaster.



XB-70 and F-104 Crash Sites - BLM Coolgardie






Link Posted: 1/3/2019 9:40:46 PM EST
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Good grief, I thought it was on fire.
Link Posted: 1/3/2019 9:42:37 PM EST
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The fireman must have been stoking coal like a madman.
Link Posted: 1/3/2019 9:54:07 PM EST
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Jesus.

The AOA on that aircraft on approach was very critical.

Very amazing.

Link Posted: 1/3/2019 10:38:41 PM EST
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XB-70 Valkyrie - The Mach 3 Strategic Bomber
Link Posted: 1/3/2019 11:25:54 PM EST
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Above my desk......pieces off the crashed xb-70.

A piece off the braking system, an access panel door, bell crank system for landing gear doors, a solenoid, a few skin pieces (some with scratch marks for when it hit the ground), and an ingot from where the air force melted the burned wreckage.

Link Posted: 1/3/2019 11:46:45 PM EST
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The Russians developed the Sukhoi T-4 in response to the XB-70 but the program was cancelled.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_T-4

Made of titanium and stainless steel. The real Firefox?

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4733/24657722887_8c1cc0037b_b.jpg

https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/3/2/3/0837323.jpg?v=v40
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blyat. thats an ugly fucking airplane.
Link Posted: 1/3/2019 11:57:24 PM EST
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I think they had a previous history, and it wasn't good.
Link Posted: 1/3/2019 11:59:41 PM EST
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Above my desk......pieces off the crashed xb-70.

A piece off the braking system, an access panel door, bell crank system for landing gear doors, a solenoid, a few skin pieces (some with scratch marks for when it hit the ground), and an ingot from where the air force melted the burned wreckage.

https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/ii158/allanteman/0/5b21bbea-edaa-4752-9a5a-525b6e3fe8a2-original.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds
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WOW where did you get those parts?
Link Posted: 1/4/2019 12:01:11 AM EST
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Such a sexy jet.  And yuuuuge.
Link Posted: 1/4/2019 12:09:15 AM EST
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The Russians developed the Sukhoi T-4 in response to the XB-70 but the program was cancelled.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_T-4

Made of titanium and stainless steel. The real Firefox?

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4733/24657722887_8c1cc0037b_b.jpg

https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/3/2/3/0837323.jpg?v=v40
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Only 4 engines.
Link Posted: 1/4/2019 12:10:13 AM EST
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The XB70 was a cool bird.
Link Posted: 1/4/2019 12:10:57 AM EST
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This jet was plagued with lots of problems.

XB-70 Valkyrie Emergency Landing and fire


On take-off
Watch this XB-70 supersonic bomber blow a tire and catch fire during take off
Link Posted: 1/4/2019 12:16:39 AM EST
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The XB-70 is one of the coolest planes to have ever flown, however there is a much lesser known and even more bizarre related air vehicle: the Lenticular Defense Missile aka Pye Wacket http://astronautix.com/p/pyewacket.html
Link Posted: 1/4/2019 12:52:07 AM EST
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Holy shit.
Link Posted: 1/4/2019 8:57:55 AM EST
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Holy shit-didn't realize it was that big of a plane!
Link Posted: 1/4/2019 9:28:07 AM EST
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I know a guy that goes to aviation crash sites and looks for parts.  It was amazing what he had in his living room--it was like a museum.  Valkyrie parts everywhere, but some other very high profile ones.  Coolest one was the pitot tube off the front of 20207, but that wasn't for sale.

If you look on eBay, there's another gentleman in AZ that has a ton of Valkyrie pieces for sale.  He definitely has the largest collection of anyone.  He has a bunch of SR-71 parts too.

I like the B-70 parts since there were only two of them......I have one set of these parts, and the other one is in Dayton.....that's it.
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I wouldn't say it was "plagued".  This was the late 50's and no one has ever built anything that big/fast.  A gear malfunction and blown tire are nothing compared to what could have happened.  The B70 paved the way for other supersonic bombers and transports like the B1 and others.  Could have been a lot worse.  If anything, it would have been successful for what it was designed for, but the mission changed.  And losing the second prototype and two pilots doing a commercial photoshoot for GE was a huge dumbazz mistake and the final nail in the coffin.....they never should have been doing that in the first place, much less in that type of formation for a picture.  RIP Major Cross and Colonel Cotton.
Link Posted: 1/4/2019 9:40:13 AM EST
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Funny, this Monday I just saw her in the new hangar 4 of the museum. Love that bird, but the B-36 is much more impressive.

I took almost 2000 pictures there
Link Posted: 1/4/2019 9:47:19 AM EST
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More like ICBMs and cruise missiles
Link Posted: 1/4/2019 9:55:25 AM EST
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If they were too afraid to use B-58s they weren’t really going to send a B-70 over North Vietnam.    The Russians would’ve sent every new SAM prototype to Hanoi and interceptor to shoot one down
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