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Awesome pictures! Thanks for posting them. I bet we have crossed paths on the ANC ramp many times. Small world... |
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I had my shot at sitting up front in first class with all the Officers and E-7's and above...
Fuck that, I hung back in coach with my platoon. The Stews handed out decks of playing cards and latter warm towels. I had a chance to talk with one during take off as her jump seat was across from me. She told me they loved .Mil contract flights as we were so nice and polite and happy for any little amenity we got, unlike the civy passengers who were entitled and could never please them. |
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Boeing 747-400 Flight Deck/Cockpit Escape Hatch Instruction Video
Lufthansa Boeing 747-400 Flight Deck/Cockpit Escape Hatch Instruction Video |
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Quoted: Never flown on a 747....which is a bummer. Been on a few long-range transoceanic flights, and they were either 787 or 777 aircraft. Possibly headed to Perth, Australia for work, and when I looked at the possible flights to get a travel quote for the customer, the aircraft was the 787 for the long legs. Don't get me wrong, I like the 787, I just want to experience the 747. View Quote I’ve flown a few times on 747’s. One trip was with KLM, but the rest were trips to and from Australia. Flying with Qantas on the Queen was perfection. I’d go Sydney to Dallas, and then Dallas to Brisbane. That was perfect as I was living in Brisbane. When they got A380’s on the Sydney-Dallas route, they didn’t need to get fuel in Brisbane anymore for the return. My last flight back to the US was then on a 777. They are nice, but they are not 747 nice |
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Quoted: Been a while since I’ve taken photos at ANC but always some great planes around! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91056/IMG_9145-1416788.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91056/IMG_9010-1416787.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91056/IMG_6239-1416785.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91056/IMG_5628-1416783.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91056/IMG_5641-1416784.jpg View Quote Cool pictures! Yeah, ANC is a great place for watching aircraft, especially heavy jets. We are usually something like number 4 in the world for cargo. We are about 9 1/2 hours from most of the industrialized world, so ANC is a huge truck stop for heavy jets moving cargo around the world. Heavy jets can load up with cargo, put on enough gas to get here, gas up again and continue on to their destination. More payload instead of gas makes ANC a valuable stop over for cargo traffic. |
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Quoted: As said earlier, this is the standard in the aerospace industry. There is not enough space to store all of those fixtures and jigs and tools indefinitely, and even if they did the loss of the human software to make it all work and the subcontractors to provide the parts means that the line couldn't be realistically re-started financially. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Scrapping airplane tooling as the same level of depravity as burning the great ancient Alexandria library. As said earlier, this is the standard in the aerospace industry. There is not enough space to store all of those fixtures and jigs and tools indefinitely, and even if they did the loss of the human software to make it all work and the subcontractors to provide the parts means that the line couldn't be realistically re-started financially. Fighter size tools, jigs, and fixtures require scads of space. It has to be close to 100 times more for airliners. All of it lots of work and cost to move. |
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Quoted: It's a small world. I flew helicopters in the Arizona National Guard at Papago AAF many years ago. We have a handful of passenger birds. Some of them are in a VIP type configuration, which is probably what you saw, that we use for sports teams, etc. We also have normal ones that we use for the military. I consider myself quite fortunate to be on the 747 as this is a second career for me. I started late in the airline business. I am retired military, and I never thought that I would end up becoming a 747 captain. This is one our PAX birds, but it has been repainted to our normal livery now. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/432675/N322SG_jpg-2500968.JPG View Quote U fly with Miami Rick before?. He was on the 747 as FO. Then upgraded to 767 Capt. |
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Quoted: Moses Lake was a storage location for years. I don't know about now. Fighter size tools, jigs, and fixtures require scads of space. It has to be close to 100 times more for airliners. All of it lots of work and cost to move. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Scrapping airplane tooling as the same level of depravity as burning the great ancient Alexandria library. As said earlier, this is the standard in the aerospace industry. There is not enough space to store all of those fixtures and jigs and tools indefinitely, and even if they did the loss of the human software to make it all work and the subcontractors to provide the parts means that the line couldn't be realistically re-started financially. Fighter size tools, jigs, and fixtures require scads of space. It has to be close to 100 times more for airliners. All of it lots of work and cost to move. |
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Quoted: Moses Lake used to be Boeing's Area 51. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Scrapping airplane tooling as the same level of depravity as burning the great ancient Alexandria library. As said earlier, this is the standard in the aerospace industry. There is not enough space to store all of those fixtures and jigs and tools indefinitely, and even if they did the loss of the human software to make it all work and the subcontractors to provide the parts means that the line couldn't be realistically re-started financially. Fighter size tools, jigs, and fixtures require scads of space. It has to be close to 100 times more for airliners. All of it lots of work and cost to move. I would say Plant 2 across from Boeing Field used to be Boeing’s Area 51. That and the area towards the south end of Boeing Field where they used to do lot of the military mods to aircraft. Was always AWACS, the 747 ABL, etc parked down there. |
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Quoted: I would say Plant 2 across from Boeing Field used to be Boeing's Area 51. That and the area towards the south end of Boeing Field where they used to do lot of the military mods to aircraft. Was always AWACS, the 747 ABL, etc parked down there. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Scrapping airplane tooling as the same level of depravity as burning the great ancient Alexandria library. As said earlier, this is the standard in the aerospace industry. There is not enough space to store all of those fixtures and jigs and tools indefinitely, and even if they did the loss of the human software to make it all work and the subcontractors to provide the parts means that the line couldn't be realistically re-started financially. Fighter size tools, jigs, and fixtures require scads of space. It has to be close to 100 times more for airliners. All of it lots of work and cost to move. I would say Plant 2 across from Boeing Field used to be Boeing's Area 51. That and the area towards the south end of Boeing Field where they used to do lot of the military mods to aircraft. Was always AWACS, the 747 ABL, etc parked down there. That's correct, although I expect there was space work at Auburn along the same lines. I also worked in a tiny experimental fabrication shop south of the Development Center in a nondescript location. We had free rein to attempt any and all ideas. I couldn't begin to find the location now. |
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Quoted: I would say Plant 2 across from Boeing Field used to be Boeing's Area 51. That and the area towards the south end of Boeing Field where they used to do lot of the military mods to aircraft. Was always AWACS, the 747 ABL, etc parked down there. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Scrapping airplane tooling as the same level of depravity as burning the great ancient Alexandria library. As said earlier, this is the standard in the aerospace industry. There is not enough space to store all of those fixtures and jigs and tools indefinitely, and even if they did the loss of the human software to make it all work and the subcontractors to provide the parts means that the line couldn't be realistically re-started financially. Fighter size tools, jigs, and fixtures require scads of space. It has to be close to 100 times more for airliners. All of it lots of work and cost to move. For aircraft, the Development Center at the south end of Boeing Field was Boeing's Seattle Area 51. The DC went black in late 1980 with the B-2 Stealth Bomber contract. We did work there testing the effectiveness of shield rooms for black projects. There was shield room housing a black project in the very center of the 9-101 building. The name of the project was classified. Since we couldn't say the actual name, our name for the project was "The Meat Locker". That project, for some reason, had a very high percentage of hot looking women working for it. We loved going there! The DC is where Boeing's portion of the B-2 (less the main landing gear) were developed. We were there when the first B-2 wings did their trip to S CA to Northrop. Middle of the night-type operation with a blacked out C-5. Another team that was located at the DC at the time due to it's security was the Boeing Commercial Airplane group assigned to support the NTSB, specifically support of airplane crashes. The kinds of people that have airplanes assigned to them and go to work with an already packed bag. Plant II was mostly machine shops in the 80's, then they tore it down some time after 2008 or so. There was one area of interest at PII: A high power very large Xray machine. They used it one time to find metal shavings in a whole tractor trailer of frozen hamburger. It was a pretty large room (obviously) with +3' thick concrete walls. Boeing also used to own and operate a nuclear reactor on the SE side of 16th Ave and the Duwamish River. GE says there is a marina there now. Another interesting part of PII was the large lead melting plant they had at the north end of the main PII area south of 16th Ave (2-15 building maybe, don't remember). Anyway, they would make all kinds of forms for sheet metal parts. They had big hydraulic slam presses (I don't know the technical term for them) that were either in the same building or the next building over. We could feel the vibrations north all the way to the 2-10 building when they were being used. My first job at Boeing was at Plant II, including the main plant building south of 16th Ave and then later at the 2-10 building north of 16th (Earwax program). I see from GE that the 2-10 is still standing. Holy Shirt, that thing was obsolete back in the 80's! You would walk in on a Monday morning and the smell of rotting paper and cigarettes would just about knock you over. It didn't help that the west end was supported by wooden piles going into the smelly Duwamish River. Huge rats lived there. |
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Quoted: Moses Lake used to be Boeing's Area 51. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Scrapping airplane tooling as the same level of depravity as burning the great ancient Alexandria library. As said earlier, this is the standard in the aerospace industry. There is not enough space to store all of those fixtures and jigs and tools indefinitely, and even if they did the loss of the human software to make it all work and the subcontractors to provide the parts means that the line couldn't be realistically re-started financially. Fighter size tools, jigs, and fixtures require scads of space. It has to be close to 100 times more for airliners. All of it lots of work and cost to move. I kind of think it still is to some extent. A number of night flights still take place, not like the old days but there are still some hard to pass off as civil air traffic late night in the desolate parts south and west of Moses Lake airport. |
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Quoted: I kind of think it still is to some extent. A number of night flights still take place, not like the old days but there are still some hard to pass off as civil air traffic late night in the desolate parts south and west of Moses Lake airport. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Scrapping airplane tooling as the same level of depravity as burning the great ancient Alexandria library. As said earlier, this is the standard in the aerospace industry. There is not enough space to store all of those fixtures and jigs and tools indefinitely, and even if they did the loss of the human software to make it all work and the subcontractors to provide the parts means that the line couldn't be realistically re-started financially. Fighter size tools, jigs, and fixtures require scads of space. It has to be close to 100 times more for airliners. All of it lots of work and cost to move. I kind of think it still is to some extent. A number of night flights still take place, not like the old days but there are still some hard to pass off as civil air traffic late night in the desolate parts south and west of Moses Lake airport. Most of my experience up in Seattle is from the 80's when I lived up there. I have no idea what's going on now. Plus, I retired from Boeing in 2012. |
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Quoted: Cool pictures! Yeah, ANC is a great place for watching aircraft, especially heavy jets. We are usually something like number 4 in the world for cargo. We are about 9 1/2 hours from most of the industrialized world, so ANC is a huge truck stop for heavy jets moving cargo around the world. Heavy jets can load up with cargo, put on enough gas to get here, gas up again and continue on to their destination. More payload instead of gas makes ANC a valuable stop over for cargo traffic. View Quote All that and the busiest sea plane base in the world, makes me miss living there some days. |
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Quoted: Thanks, I am sure I will eventually. I saw 860 on the ramp at ANC last month. MRAPS into Bagram. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/432675/MRAP_JPG-2498502.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/432675/MRAP2_JPG-2498503.JPG Some of my homeboys who were deployed at Bagram when we landed. It was surreal to see all of my friends and then leave again. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/432675/CaliBoys_JPG-2498504.JPG View Quote @TimeOnTarget What month/year did you deliver those MRAPs to BAF? |
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Quoted: @TimeOnTarget What month/year did you deliver those MRAPs to BAF? View Quote Atlas was the first company that delivered MRAPS. My first flight out of CHS was in January, 2010. We had only been doing these flights a short while at that point. We were the only carrier who could do it initially. Other companies complained to the DOD that they weren't gettin any of the action. Sadly, National paid a heavy price for their methods. I flew numerous flights into Bagram, Kandahar, and Kabul over the years, but I never flew into Bastion with Altas. |
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Quoted: All that and the busiest sea plane base in the world, makes me miss living there some days. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Cool pictures! Yeah, ANC is a great place for watching aircraft, especially heavy jets. We are usually something like number 4 in the world for cargo. We are about 9 1/2 hours from most of the industrialized world, so ANC is a huge truck stop for heavy jets moving cargo around the world. Heavy jets can load up with cargo, put on enough gas to get here, gas up again and continue on to their destination. More payload instead of gas makes ANC a valuable stop over for cargo traffic. All that and the busiest sea plane base in the world, makes me miss living there some days. Been a few crashes this summer on that side... Failed To Load Title |
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Quoted: Moses Lake used to be Boeing's Area 51. View Quote When I flew as crew on-board NAS Whidbey's station C-12's sometimes we would do touch and goes at Moses Lake until we puked. One time we were in the pattern by ourselves while a B-52 and a 747 traded touch and goes / missed approaches on the cross runway. On the other side was a helicopter pilot doing training. Real busy. |
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View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Cool pictures! Yeah, ANC is a great place for watching aircraft, especially heavy jets. We are usually something like number 4 in the world for cargo. We are about 9 1/2 hours from most of the industrialized world, so ANC is a huge truck stop for heavy jets moving cargo around the world. Heavy jets can load up with cargo, put on enough gas to get here, gas up again and continue on to their destination. More payload instead of gas makes ANC a valuable stop over for cargo traffic. All that and the busiest sea plane base in the world, makes me miss living there some days. Been a few crashes this summer on that side... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK3EYLgpOB0 Ouch! I don’t think that one is going to buff out. |
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Quoted: Dear NightFlyer, If only we could all be as lucky, talented, and beautiful as you. If I had your money, I'd throw mine away. Purple really made a mistake not hiring me 20 years ago, but I was busy flying dying and maimed men on the battlefield. I would have been a loyal and grateful employee. I can only dream of what your life must be like as the most well compensated captain in the world. You really deserve it. I am surprised you have time to shit post in every one of these threads. I thought you'd be too busy slaying super models on your boat... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: A rancid box of chocolates at your rates... Dear NightFlyer, If only we could all be as lucky, talented, and beautiful as you. If I had your money, I'd throw mine away. Purple really made a mistake not hiring me 20 years ago, but I was busy flying dying and maimed men on the battlefield. I would have been a loyal and grateful employee. I can only dream of what your life must be like as the most well compensated captain in the world. You really deserve it. I am surprised you have time to shit post in every one of these threads. I thought you'd be too busy slaying super models on your boat... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Nicely done. Sounds like someone has a large watch and a small..... |
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Quoted: Out with the old, in with the new... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/464099/KIMG0302_JPG-2501833.jpg There's a carbon fiber horizontal stabilizer for the 787, fresh off the boat from Italy, in the box I'm hauling today. View Quote You're a skateboarder? I had a break in aviation from 2012-2014 and was one as well. Ran a '79 Kenworth K100C flattop big bunk toting a 48' flat. Hauled lumber, coils, steel, bees...almost anything you could strap onto a trailer. I must say flying is a lot easier! |
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Quoted: Airplanes unable to be delivered to customers originally because of the MAX grounding and certification issues and subsequent rework. Then compounded by the COVID shutdowns. Double whammy for Boeing. One self inflicted, the other really bad timing for them. Both caused customers to delay or outright cancel orders. Chinese airline are due about half of the 300 remaining MAXes in inventory, but they have not yet recertified it. Gotta store them somewhere. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: While we’re at it, what’s with all the new 737’s sitting at Grant County Airport in Moses Lake, I bet there are easily over 100? Hell maybe double? Airplanes unable to be delivered to customers originally because of the MAX grounding and certification issues and subsequent rework. Then compounded by the COVID shutdowns. Double whammy for Boeing. One self inflicted, the other really bad timing for them. Both caused customers to delay or outright cancel orders. Chinese airline are due about half of the 300 remaining MAXes in inventory, but they have not yet recertified it. Gotta store them somewhere. Really hoping my company decides to pick up those MAXes. By the time we take delivery of what they currently have on order, just our 737 fleet will be equivalent to the third largest airline in the world. |
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Quoted: You're a skateboarder? I had a break in aviation from 2012-2014 and was one as well. Ran a 79 Kenworth K100C flattop big bunk’toting a 48' flat. Hauled lumber, coils, steel, bees...almost anything you could strap onto a trailer. I must say flying is a lot easier! View Quote Talk about a rattle trap and turbulent ride. |
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Here’s a couple pictures I grabbed today going by Moses Lake (Grant County Airport)
There is another group parked on the other side out of view from SR 28 Attached File There is also a 727 as well, Attached File |
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Quoted: Here's a couple pictures I grabbed today going by Moses Lake (Grant County Airport) There is another group parked on the other side out of view from SR 28 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/85971/DC6C2D81-339C-4A89-96B6-C9AE59A2171B_jpe-2510106.JPG There is also a 727 as well, https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/85971/82F4EA40-654A-4A3A-B4A1-5380AF87028B_jpe-2510110.JPG View Quote |
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Quoted: Talk about a rattle trap and turbulent ride. View Quote You'd be surprised. It had CabMate air ride where the back of the cab lowered onto the frame, and the 8-bag suspension did a good job. Did it ride as smooth as a stretched W900? No, but it was surprisingly good for being a cabover with a short-ish frame. Oh...and Michelin tires. I went from GoodYears to Michelin ZXA 24.5s and those things rode like a magic carpet. |
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Quoted: I flew Boeing KC-135s after pilot training until mid-2003 when I switched to MQ-1s and then MQ-9 UAVs... did that until 4 years past USAF retirement, flying as a ctr. Am I crazy for thinking about trying to restart my manned aviation career at age 47? I actually got a CJO from a regional.... (1200 manned aircraft hours, 270PIC). View Quote Dude, go for it. If you don't, you'll always question whether you should have. Go do the regional thing and then once you're on the line apply at the majors...you'll get sucked up in short order. |
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Someone asked about pilot contracts.
They are extremely complex and only a few “sharpshooters” actually know it inside and out. The FedEx pilots make good money and have an extremely flexible contract that allows you to move or drop/pick up trips for extra pay without working a lot (or any) more. Tough life but very rewarding financially. My company’s contract sucks and the company basically ignores. TC |
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I work at a small regional airport. The only 747 I've worked is AF1 a couple times on radar and tower. Had 2 Atlas Air 744s today doing some troop movement of over 700 soldiers. It was the first and probably last time we'll have two 747s at the same time, heh. Such a cool plane.
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View Quote That is probably the one pictured in the OP. But it turns out that the actual last one is still back in body join. |
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1573 is in her customer livery and has apparently been delivered:
Attached File Boeing's Penultimate 747 Spotted With Paint Job At Portland International Airport |
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Wow!
I didn’t know about the livery. Not sure if I like it but It pays the bills. I hope I get to fly one of the new ones before they lose the new car smell. |
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Quoted: Wow! I didn’t know about the livery. Not sure if I like it but It pays the bills. I hope I get to fly one of the new ones before they lose the new car smell. View Quote Wow, a freight forwarder's name on the side. See that the crew sked position is still there at Erlanger. If I wasn't 50 miles away I'd take it. |
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