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Link Posted: 4/28/2022 5:21:08 PM EDT
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If we are starting from scratch I'd want the house and driveway concealed.
Put the house on a small road with a 800' on longer driveway with S turns
so the house isn't  visible from the road. Put the gate on the first bend so that's not
visible either. Maybe do a gravel driveway so it blends in more

Pond on the property would be a benefit as well
Link Posted: 4/28/2022 5:40:13 PM EDT
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well a lot of this is fantasy and or financially impossible. the best security IMO if SHTF is to have a prior agreement with your neighbors to help defend each other. It is impossible for you and your spouse to stay awake and defend your location without help. I am moving into a new subdivision and have already mapped out best fields of fire, best area for OP,etc. and I plan on a BBQ to get to know the neighbors and find out who is of like mind. from there make a plan. one way into the development helps.
Link Posted: 4/28/2022 6:18:26 PM EDT
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well a lot of this is fantasy and or financially impossible. the best security IMO if SHTF is to have a prior agreement with your neighbors to help defend each other. It is impossible for you and your spouse to stay awake and defend your location without help. I am moving into a new subdivision and have already mapped out best fields of fire, best area for OP,etc. and I plan on a BBQ to get to know the neighbors and find out who is of like mind. from there make a plan. one way into the development helps.
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I agree with you. Though we can make them more secure for minor issues.

But if I am building a house from scratch I can incorporate good design and usability for making them more usable for extended power outages and homesteading.
Link Posted: 4/28/2022 7:15:42 PM EDT
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Before he moved to the area I used to get called by homeowners that wanted a 'secret' room after the county had given them their occupancy permits and they didn't want it on the county radar.  Since he moved in he's been marketing and pushing to do a bunch of this stuff and I haven't seen much since then, which is fine I'm plenty busy on other stuff.

But I got asked to come review a building he engineered just last week, it's not the first time and I'm sure it won't be the last.  I think he's the engineering equivalent to running with scissors.

ETA- if you want to know who has all the cool secret stuff, ask your concrete truck drivers.
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I drive for and turn a wrench for a concrete company.
If you pay attention you know who's doing what.
Link Posted: 4/28/2022 7:38:17 PM EDT
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Bringing this thread back to reality; focusing on simple, cheap options that could be done and would only marginally add to the cost of house (relatively speaking) if you were having it built new:

1.) Exterior doors open outwards (and are reinforced and steel doors).

2.) Walls are made out of dirt filled concrete modular units; with an applique fascia over it, so it doesn't look like a bunker -- it does nothing to put AR500 shutters over your windows if they can just shoot though the walls. This wouldn't stop dedicated people with magnum rifles, but it would I think, stop or slow down a lot of .223 or 9mm; which is the likeliest threat you'd face.

3.) AR500 shutters and impact resistant film on windows.

4.) As said by others -- a below-grade basement is all but mandatory for various purposes (safe room, gun room, fallout shelter), etc.

6.) Careful planning of landscaping -- make sure that there are no trees within collapse/blow down distance of your house -- I've seen so many downed trees at my job that I don't want a tree within 50 feet of my house now. This also allows you to have a nice field of fire of approaching hostiles as well.

The rest is all just quibbling over details (Solar/well/septic) etc.
Link Posted: 4/28/2022 8:14:40 PM EDT
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Since fire can be a very large concern, try to incorporate something like this but more permanent.  I have the idea of a built-in roof sprinkler system that is well concealed from view (for aesthetic reasons) and that pulls from either a well or a large underground cistern.  Solar powered pump to ensure proper function even with power outages.

Add on basic things like hurricane windows, door jamb reinforcements, hard wired cameras, and large pantry
Link Posted: 4/28/2022 9:15:01 PM EDT
[#7]
I'd focus on keeping the house energy efficient and safe as possible (within budget) from fire.

If you could design a spot for a battery bank into the house that's big enough to run the "necessary" stuff like refrigerator and freezer and the well pump would be awesome. Try to design the home so it needs very little energy to heat or cool, so you can minimize the size of the solar/battery system.  A generator/transfer switch would be nice too.

Prewire for cameras and security lighting. Beef up the framing around the doors and windows so they can support shutters and a beefy door & frame.
Link Posted: 4/28/2022 9:17:52 PM EDT
[#8]
A community of pillboxes with interlocking fields of fire.
Link Posted: 4/29/2022 9:40:49 AM EDT
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Forgot to add to my previous post - if you’re really going the castle route, look at the Afghanistani walled compound idea. Sort of similar to the Roman villa, but includes your support buildings and part of your barnyard inside the compound walls.



You could also site your buildings so they could be “enclosed” at a later date with Hesco bastions kept in storage. You’d need a borrow pit and a front end loader on hand too, but that’s not uncommon. This would fit more with the American model of site planning.
Link Posted: 4/29/2022 9:49:11 AM EDT
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No Castles. The costs would be extraordinary.

Just a smartly designed house focused on folks who have that sort of homesteading mindset.
Link Posted: 4/29/2022 10:16:02 AM EDT
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One thing that I didn't see listed that may work is a solar tower/chimney for passive cooling.


Pretty much a small room on top of a tower with windows on all sides that would allow the hot air to escape and pull cooler air in via the lower windows in the house.

Could also double as a watch tower.  
Link Posted: 4/29/2022 10:43:03 AM EDT
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No Castles. The costs would be extraordinary.

Just a smartly designed house focused on folks who have that sort of homesteading mindset.
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Yeah, the Qalat idea wasn’t really for you.

My first post included my professional opinion. The Qalat is a GD opinion.

The farmyard is more useful in a US context. I wouldn’t build an adjacent shop building on spec, just as a future option. I’d rather have solar panels and batteries on and in the shop than in my main house anyway.
Link Posted: 4/29/2022 10:58:16 AM EDT
[#13]
If we are talking the best bang for your buck you are better off just moving to the middle of nowhere. Over building a purpose built defensive structure.
Link Posted: 4/29/2022 11:06:48 AM EDT
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Yeah, the Qalat idea wasn’t really for you.

My first post included my professional opinion. The Qalat is a GD opinion.

The farmyard is more useful in a US context. I wouldn’t build an adjacent shop building on spec, just as a future option. I’d rather have solar panels and batteries on and in the shop than in my main house anyway.
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It's not that I don't admire ARFcom's zeal for a fortress like structure its just that most cant afford something like that and honestly most folks aren't quite as hardcore as we are.

Like you say on a spec home you have to be careful not to overbuild. Something like this you also have to leave room for them to fill in with their "vision" to be more marketable. I would just give them good bones. Or more likely as we do now I would build on their site, though I have a development site in mind.
Link Posted: 4/29/2022 11:08:15 AM EDT
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Bullet proof walls are neither difficult nor expensive .  Just use three foot thick rammed earth construction.
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Earthbag construction results in exterior walls about 15 inches thick.  Somebody tested an earthbag wall with .50 BMG, and the wall won.  

Big part of the earthbag concept, is that it was developed to be low in material cost (it's the labor cost that hurts, if you are paying someone to do it) and resistant to earthquake damage.
Link Posted: 5/17/2022 9:51:34 PM EDT
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have a read of Jeff Cooper's book "To Ride, Shoot Straight, and Speak the Truth" and check the section on "Notes on Tactical Residential Architecture"
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I found it and uploaded it to my blog

NOTES ON TACTICAL RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURE

There is also a decent article floating around on "Lessons from Farmers in Rhodesia" that I will also post if anyone is interested.
Link Posted: 5/17/2022 11:16:48 PM EDT
[#17]
Monolithic dome in the middle of rough terrain, an outer half wall, and a full wall court yard?

Link Posted: 5/18/2022 7:47:37 AM EDT
[#18]
This ticks many off your list.



http://www.ghosttownforsale.com/Mobile/
Link Posted: 5/18/2022 8:27:20 AM EDT
[#19]
Heliport!!
Link Posted: 5/18/2022 8:39:28 AM EDT
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Monolithic dome in the middle of rough terrain, an outer half wall, and a full wall court yard?

https://www.monolithic.org/vault/img/2019/08/19/5d5b0a0e543f6e963267b3bb/medium/dl-4023.png
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I think the monolithic domes are very cool. However it would be expensive I think and a little weird for most people.
Link Posted: 5/18/2022 3:19:45 PM EDT
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Aside from door jamb reinforcements.

THIS.

Stop Bad Guys In Their Tracks! | Security Campbell Security Screens | Campbell Security



Unlike window security film (that makes it more difficult to breach the windows/glass, but STILL potentially leaves you with a cracked window that needs to be replaced/reglazed), this protects the glass from even taking impacts. Allows for easy opening for quick/emergency egress, and looks like (and serves as) an insect screen for days when you want open windows and ventilation.

P.S.
It also serves to protect against accidental window break "Oopsies" due to kids playing outside (or mowers kicking up a small rock).
Link Posted: 5/18/2022 3:20:32 PM EDT
[#22]
Festung Europa or Maginot Line.
Link Posted: 5/18/2022 3:25:39 PM EDT
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Aside from door jamb reinforcements.

THIS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_amWbFuqxHM


Unlike window security film (that makes it more difficult to breach the windows/glass, but STILL potentially leaves you with a cracked window that needs to be replaced/reglazed), this protects the glass from even taking impacts. Allows for easy opening for quick/emergency egress, and looks like (and serves as) an insect screen for days when you want open windows and ventilation.
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Interesting on the face of it. I would like to do some independent testing before recommending to our customers.
Link Posted: 5/18/2022 3:28:29 PM EDT
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Interesting on the face of it. I would like to do some independent testing before recommending to our customers.
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Aside from door jamb reinforcements.

THIS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_amWbFuqxHM


Unlike window security film (that makes it more difficult to breach the windows/glass, but STILL potentially leaves you with a cracked window that needs to be replaced/reglazed), this protects the glass from even taking impacts. Allows for easy opening for quick/emergency egress, and looks like (and serves as) an insect screen for days when you want open windows and ventilation.

Interesting on the face of it. I would like to do some independent testing before recommending to our customers.

Would LOVE to see/hear the results!
Link Posted: 5/18/2022 3:43:02 PM EDT
[#25]
Dungeon and sex room
Link Posted: 5/18/2022 3:47:14 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/18/2022 3:54:37 PM EDT
[#27]
So here is how I really do it. This is just my preliminary sketches. I dropped part of an existing model into one side. I will likely rework that bathroom area a bit.

I just sketch it out in pencil and then I will have my draftsman draw it up with appropriate wall thickness, dimensioning and etc. Then I will stare at it on and off for hours and tweak it in ways to that make the most sense for use and cost. It’s always a balance.

This first floor plan is just a rectangle and is nowhere near done. Why a rectangle? It is the most economical design. From here I may expand the “Homesteader” line with various additions and designs to suit higher budgets.

I will of course update this as the design comes together. I am still wanting to hear suggestions. But keep in mind that building this home as is is already going to be 400k give or take in today’s market.

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Link Posted: 5/19/2022 9:55:54 PM EDT
[#28]
A lot of people here seem to be designing against threat of medieval castle siege. I don’t think that’s very relevant today, even in places like South Africa where roving bands of marauders have actually been a thing.

Things I’m thinking of for resilient home design:
- Low upkeep cost. Economic depression or job loss can be a threat. Where it makes sense, design the house to require as few energy inputs as possible. This means careful site selection, making sure the windows are set where the sun doesn’t overheat rooms, and putting eaves or awnings on things. Insulate extra, to keep the inside temperature stable. Position doors and windows to take advantage of prevailing winds, for days when the outside temperature is nice. Have skylights to reduce electricity use. Etc.
- Natural disasters would probably be the next thing I’d harden against. Good building materials selection and details can mitigate damage from hurricanes, tornadoes, wildfires, earthquakes, hail, and even normal thunderstorms. The builder needs to care about details though.
- Something nobody has mentioned yet is the threat of obsolescence. A building that can transcend trends and is adaptable over time will not be torn down. Here I’m thinking about utility/electrical chases, leaving space for upgrades in the mechanical area, and not burying a bunch of stuff in inaccessible places. Not building to whatever the current trend happens to be is important too. How silly do those 2008 era Spanish style villas look today? How will today’s modern farmhouse thing look in 15 years? We should build houses for the next 100 years, not 10.
- Last on my list is attack by armed groups. My first thought here is controlling vehicle access to the house. Use trees and giant rocks to control avenues of approach. Trees (and those extra-large eaves) are also important for controlling sight lines from the ground and air. Remember that quadcopters are everywhere these days.There should be enough windows to allow observation/engagement  of every possible approach. A bunch of concrete planters can provide cover near and around the house, and could double as a rain garden. Walls don’t need to be bulletproof, just the portion you’d be behind in a gunfight. Exterior lighting should be soft and diffused, to not create deep shadows.

Feel like I’m rambling, will call that good for now.
Link Posted: 5/19/2022 10:31:09 PM EDT
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No need for a metal plate under the windows. A 2×6 wall with its cavity filled with sand will stop any pistol and rifle round. And will cost a fraction of AR500. Tests have been done on this matter.

https://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-7-the-sands-o-truth/
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Then you can’t have insulation and if the bullet catches a stud it’s coming right in.
Link Posted: 5/19/2022 11:13:20 PM EDT
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No I mean who actually builds and sells houses built that way.

Since they don’t meet the building code.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5IxVPpkkWXI

No I mean who actually builds and sells houses built that way.

Since they don’t meet the building code.

World’s largest 3D-printed neighborhood comes to Texas
An entire street of 3D printed homes in Texas are move-in ready
SUNCONOMY TO DEVELOP 3D PRINTED CONCRETE HOMES IN TEXAS
Link Posted: 5/19/2022 11:36:28 PM EDT
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5IxVPpkkWXI

No I mean who actually builds and sells houses built that way.

Since they don’t meet the building code.

World’s largest 3D-printed neighborhood comes to Texas
An entire street of 3D printed homes in Texas are move-in ready
SUNCONOMY TO DEVELOP 3D PRINTED CONCRETE HOMES IN TEXAS


I forget that some places are allowed to build without rebar.
Link Posted: 5/20/2022 12:18:11 AM EDT
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1- primarily facing the south.  Main entry could be anywhere, but a long south wall with good access to the entirety of the house.
2- integrated greenhouse on the south side that would heat the house in the winter and cool it in the summer.
3- main power accessible with the solar batteries and control panels/inverters mounted very near.
4- electric water heaters combined with gas/propane, at least one of each.
5- Water heaters near the power panels
6- Insulation in the roof would include 2 parts-
  a- energy heel trusses allowing for blown insulation to maintain full depth over the walls
  b- Roof sheathing comprised of 7/16" osb, 1/2" insulation board, 7/16" osb.  I've only seen two houses done this way and they can be heated with a candle.
7- Don't go crazy on wall insulation, it's effect is not nearly as significant as roof insulation.  Doors and windows should be as high of quality as you can afford.
8- Plenty of geo-thermal air.  Bring a line near the propane heater, another to the wood stove and possibly another to the HVAC recirculation system.
9- My dad's cousin was killed by a drug dealer that threw a molitov cocktail to draw him out of the house and gunned him down.  Sheetrock on the outside of the house and on the eaves dramatically improves the fire resistance of the house, we do this in the mountains around the mountain west in forest fire risk areas.  It's a bit more expensive, but not terribly so.
10- Double entryway that can be dressed up nice to have a place to come in, take off shoes/coats for guests, but can also be secured as a sally port entry.
11- large floor opening in the 2nd floor that allows a good view down to the door.
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Much of that sounds like an earth ship
Link Posted: 5/20/2022 12:27:52 AM EDT
[#33]
Two story. No windows on first floor.
Link Posted: 5/20/2022 12:32:26 AM EDT
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I vote for a Moat
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This is the way
Link Posted: 5/20/2022 12:40:15 AM EDT
[#35]
Adobe...
Link Posted: 5/20/2022 12:42:19 AM EDT
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I daydream about this all the time.

Impact resistant laminate on all windows

All doorways reinforced

hidden room or at least hidden gun storage areas

"safe" room

perhaps a hidden door leading to a tunnel and a bomb shelter type spot located away from the house. Fully stocked, lockable, and also maybe a hidden door for escape.

Solar power for crucial systems (depending on location)

Location - fresh water, clean air, good clear lines of sight, no (or as few as possible) environmental threats.
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agreed
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