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Posted: 2/4/2021 4:11:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To disprove that false belief. How thick are you dude? No one here was talking about it. It needed no disproving until you brought it up. If this place gets infected with such retardation its because you are patient zero. Why are you not where you heard it? Go there. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 4:14:38 PM EST
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If you look past the nostalgia, lever guns just plain suck.
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Posted: 2/4/2021 4:16:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How thick are you dude? No one here was talking about it. It needed no disproving until you brought it up. If this place gets infected with such retardation its because you are patient zero. Why are you not where you heard it? Go there. Take it down a notch your getting pissed off over nothing. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 4:17:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Take it down a notch your getting pissed off over nothing. You thought AR-15.com needed your insight? |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 4:18:36 PM EST
[#5]
Auto > Semi Auto > Lever Action > Bolt Action > Pump > Single Shot > Stick
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Posted: 2/4/2021 4:20:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You thought AR-15.com needed your insight? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Take it down a notch your getting pissed off over nothing. You thought AR-15.com needed your insight? OP is right to worry about us  |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 4:22:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You thought AR-15.com needed your insight? You do realize that 100% of archived threads before 2020 are gone here right? This thread is to dispel a flawed idea that mainly fudds spread around. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 4:22:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You do realize that 100% of archived threads before 2020 are gone here right? This thread is to dispel a flawed idea that mainly fudds spread around.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 4:26:57 PM EST
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Quote History The double wasn't enough. Needed to be quadrupled. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 4:27:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Take it down a notch your getting pissed off over nothing. You thought AR-15.com needed your insight? OP is right to worry about us https://i.imgur.com/KR0pycm.gif Boy that thing is compact! Urge to get a Rossi 92 rising... 
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Posted: 2/4/2021 4:29:42 PM EST
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Looks like 2021 may be a good year for us 20'ers
 Lever guns suppress better than semis and have a nice slim profile. Some have pretty simple designs (Marlin 336), and can handle pretty powerful cartridges. Semis are overall better for most things, especially as a defensive rifle. .458 Socom still doesn't do what 45-70 will though. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 4:33:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like 2021 may be a good year for us 20'ers Lever guns suppress better than semis and have a nice slim profile. Some have pretty simple designs (Marlin 336), and can handle pretty powerful cartridges. Semis are overall better for most things, especially as a defensive rifle. .458 Socom still doesn't do what 45-70 will though. Within 100-150 yards I'll take a .458 Socom any day over a 45-70. Past those ranges then yeah a 45-70 will excel. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 4:36:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Within 100-150 yards I'll take a .458 Socom any day over a 45-70. Past those ranges then yeah a 45-70 will excel. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Looks like 2021 may be a good year for us 20'ers Lever guns suppress better than semis and have a nice slim profile. Some have pretty simple designs (Marlin 336), and can handle pretty powerful cartridges. Semis are overall better for most things, especially as a defensive rifle. .458 Socom still doesn't do what 45-70 will though. Within 100-150 yards I'll take a .458 Socom any day over a 45-70. Past those ranges then yeah a 45-70 will excel. Serious question because I don't have any experience with either caliber. 100-150 yards isn't that significant, so why not just use 45-70 across the board? |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 4:38:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP... tell me which lever action triggers you the most https://gun.deals/sites/default/files/464moss.jpg https://www.pewpewtactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Marlin1895-Custom-e1540158929935-1024x241.png https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/lever-660x450.jpg The top one is a god awful piece of shit. The other two are bitchin |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 4:41:08 PM EST
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I don't care. I love shooting my Henry.
Long time ago, I posited that as a trunk gun, a lever action will give better optics and perhaps not get you shot as readily as an evil black rifle. With one you are a citizen cowboy, the other is a terrorist. Might lessen the Karen factor. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 4:42:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You do realize that 100% of archived threads before 2020 are gone here right? This thread is to dispel a flawed idea that mainly fudds spread around. and you're worried everyone (who created that content by the way) would suddenly forget why this is the forum they frequent? I think you are a fudd plant/troll, here just to get and keep people talking about leverguns, because you secretly think they are superior. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 4:43:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Serious question because I don't have any experience with either caliber. 100-150 yards isn't that significant, so why not just use 45-70 across the board? Semi-Auto/AR platform for a defensive weapon. Rarely would you need it to be a long range weapon. I built one for when I am in Grizzly country. 45-70 you are limited to lever action or single shot. I'll take a .458 Socom with 11 round magazine any day for being out in the woods. I'm not shooting Buffalo with it. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 4:44:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Semi-Auto/AR platform for a defensive weapon. Rarely would you need it to be a long range weapon. I built one for when I am in Grizzly country. 45-70 you are limited to lever action or single shot. I'll take a .458 Socom with 11 round magazine any day for being out in the woods. I'm not shooting Buffalo with it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Serious question because I don't have any experience with either caliber. 100-150 yards isn't that significant, so why not just use 45-70 across the board? Semi-Auto/AR platform for a defensive weapon. Rarely would you need it to be a long range weapon. I built one for when I am in Grizzly country. 45-70 you are limited to lever action or single shot. I'll take a .458 Socom with 11 round magazine any day for being out in the woods. I'm not shooting Buffalo with it. Got it. Thanks. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 4:46:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP... tell me which lever action triggers you the most https://gun.deals/sites/default/files/464moss.jpg https://www.pewpewtactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Marlin1895-Custom-e1540158929935-1024x241.png https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/lever-660x450.jpg 3, 2, 1, |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 4:52:03 PM EST
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Never heard an argument that a lever action is better than a semi. Something they have an advantage on is bad-ass cartridges over what most semis are chambered for. Otherwise, can't see one advantage of the LA.
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Posted: 2/4/2021 4:55:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would actually take a lever gun over my AR15 if I had to choose. Have shot over 10k rounds in AR15 rifles. Not a boomer. Have shot nice BCM/DD/KAC rifles, with cans, red dots, scopes, etc. ARs have certain advantages, I agree Not a boomer, but definitely a DA… |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 4:55:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Within 100-150 yards I'll take a .458 Socom any day over a 45-70. Past those ranges then yeah a 45-70 will excel. I suppose it depends on what you're using it for. 45-70 is just an incredibly versatile cartridge and can be loaded light to super heavy. It is certainly capable of taking any land animal, though I am not sure that .458 Socom has been taken to Africa |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 4:59:35 PM EST
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This didn't go the way OP had planned
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Posted: 2/4/2021 4:59:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: and you're worried everyone (who created that content by the way) would suddenly forget why this is the forum they frequent? I think you are a fudd plant/troll, here just to get and keep people talking about leverguns, because you secretly think they are superior. Your making that accusation because I stated that lever action rifles are better suited for hunting and recreational activities instead of serious self defense use? |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 5:00:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lever guns are better than semi autos! Now you've read that too message concluded BigMat Thanks BigMat! end of appreciation mudholestomper |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 5:00:57 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I knew op would be 20er at the oldest before I clicked. This. Just another junior poster parroting the obvious. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 5:02:46 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Got it. Thanks. Your Welcome. Believe me, I'v tried to talk myself into getting a lever 45-70 several times and I can't justify it. I've so tried to talk myself into getting a 45-70 for several years. I have no idea what I would do with a rifle like that except for target shooting. I suppose shooting an elk with one with open sights would be fun sometime. With that said I've settled on 44 mag lever guns for their versatility. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 5:03:49 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This didn't go the way OP had planned I can't help when some posters are narrow minded and see everything they like being constructively criticized as a personal attack on them when that is far from the truth. At no point did I state that lever action rifles are useless I simply stated that they are outclassed by semi auto rifles for self defense/SHTF use. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 5:05:09 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't help when some posters are narrow minded and see everything they like being constructively criticized as a personal attack on them when that is far from the truth. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This didn't go the way OP had planned I can't help when some posters are narrow minded and see everything they like being constructively criticized as a personal attack on them when that is far from the truth. I mean... what WAS the point of this thread?
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Posted: 2/4/2021 5:07:21 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean... what WAS the point of this thread? To dispel the myth going around the internet that lever action rifles are just as good as semi auto rifles for serious self defense use. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 5:12:00 PM EST
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Still waiting for the list of fragile parts in a lever gun, by Make & Model to compare to the EBR which apparently doesn't have any. Other than ammo capacity/reload speed they're as equal as two different platforms could be.
I'd venture the Op has never seen a SASS Champion work a lever gun. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 5:15:00 PM EST
[#32]
People that don’t know what they’re talking about often say things that don’t make sense?
No way. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 5:17:14 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your making that accusation because I stated that lever action rifles are better suited for hunting and recreational activities instead of serious self defense use? Yes |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 5:18:40 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Still waiting for the list of fragile parts in a lever gun, by Make & Model to compare to the EBR which apparently doesn't have any. Other than ammo capacity/reload speed they're as equal as two different platforms could be. I'd venture the Op has never seen a SASS Champion work a lever gun. SASS is recreation not dirt and grit SHTF combat get back to me with an example of one holding up to serious use. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 5:23:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I knew op would be 20er at the oldest before I clicked. Quote HistoryQuoted: I knew op would be 20er at the oldest before I clicked. I'm a dirty '15er myself but 2020-21 is turning me into one of those members that looks at people's info and go "oh no they're a 20'er" Seriously, what's up lately with people starting all these "uh, no shit?" threads? Quoted: You are literally the only person I've ever heard bring this up. Same, though I have seen a few people saying that having a lever gun and matching revolver is a good idea in case you have to give up your semis, but honestly if you're not willing to hold onto your BCM & Glock in the face of a ban then you aren't going to be using your Marlin & SW either. 
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Posted: 2/4/2021 5:26:44 PM EST
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Posted: 2/4/2021 5:27:03 PM EST
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Posted: 2/4/2021 5:27:32 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm a dirty '15er myself but 2020-21 is turning me into one of those members that looks at people's info and go "oh no they're a 20'er" Seriously, what's up lately with people starting all these "uh, no shit?" threads? Same, though I have seen a few people saying that having a lever gun and matching revolver is a good idea in case you have to give up your semis, but honestly if you're not willing to hold onto your BCM & Glock in the face of a ban then you aren't going to be using your Marlin & SW either. Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm a dirty '15er myself but 2020-21 is turning me into one of those members that looks at people's info and go "oh no they're a 20'er" Seriously, what's up lately with people starting all these "uh, no shit?" threads? Same, though I have seen a few people saying that having a lever gun and matching revolver is a good idea in case you have to give up your semis, but honestly if you're not willing to hold onto your BCM & Glock in the face of a ban then you aren't going to be using your Marlin & SW either. Same, though I have seen a few people saying that having a lever gun and matching revolver is a good idea in case you have to give up your semis, but honestly if you're not willing to hold onto your BCM & Glock in the face of a ban then you aren't going to be using your Marlin & SW either. I agree with that, those folks who turned in their semi autos will do the same with their revolver and lever rifle no balls just a big mouth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ime09uh01-k This video is a good explanation about the disadvantages of lever action rifles. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 5:33:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Take it down a notch your getting pissed off over nothing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Take it down a notch your getting pissed off over nothing. You're going to have fun here.  Quoted: To dispel the myth going around the internet that lever action rifles are just as good as semi auto rifles for serious self defense use. Except....it isn't. This isn't a myth going around the internet. It certainly isn't a myth going around arfcom. I know you think you know best and you're trying to protect us all from the big scary threat of poor financial decisions with gun purchases, but maybe take a minute to look at your post count and join date, look at the post count and join date of everyone else here, and then take some time to comb through the rest of the site and get a feel for where exactly you are before you start popping off with inane threads and getting upset that people are laughing at you for a take that stands out more obviously than a nun at a pride march. It's ar15.com, not farmersonly.com, no one here is thinking that lever actions are superior. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 5:35:15 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes Your taking this personally instead of taking a step back and reexamining the points I made with an objective approach. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 5:37:16 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Except....it isn't. This isn't a myth going around the internet. It certainly isn't a myth going around arfcom. I don't know man. I personally, myself, knew a guy that heard it fourth hand, that Brownells was renaming the forum to leveractionsarebetterthanar15.com. OP might be on to something! |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 5:39:37 PM EST
[#42]
This dumbass thread reminds me, I need to buy a Marlin 39A.
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Posted: 2/4/2021 5:40:25 PM EST
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Quoted: I hear this statement being spewed much more often on gun forums this is really disingenuous and are just boot licking to gun control. If lever action rifles were so great and just as good as semi-auto rifles why aren't police and government agencies still using them since over 80+ years. I see them useful for a bear gun such as the 45-70 guide rifle for camp protection against grizzly bear but not for SHTF combat or against multiple adversaries. Semi-auto rifles are generally much more reliable/durable than lever action rifles which have more complex and fragile components that can break and render it inoperable in a high stress situation. That being said there is nothing wrong with lever guns if you know there limitations and can accept what they are good at. End Message GabrielShear1 
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Posted: 2/4/2021 5:40:49 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know man. I personally, myself, knew a guy that heard it fourth hand, that Brownells was renaming the forum to leveractionsarebetterthanar15.com. OP might be on to something!  HE TRIED TO WARN US BUT WE WOULDN'T LISTEN! Oh the humanity! |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 5:42:27 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This dumbass thread reminds me, I need to buy a Marlin 39A. Yes, yes you do. My FV-T gets out a ton more than this one does just because I focus on practice a lot more than fun shooting, but damn is the 39A Golden a fun gun to shoot.  Probably going to see about taking it to the range next time after this thread.  
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Posted: 2/4/2021 5:42:53 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This dumbass thread reminds me, I need to buy a Marlin 39A. For hunting white tail deer and taking it to the range. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 5:44:22 PM EST
[#47]
Quoted: Semi-Auto/AR platform for a defensive weapon. Rarely would you need it to be a long range weapon. I built one for when I am in Grizzly country. 45-70 you are limited to lever action or single shot. I'll take a .458 Socom with 11 round magazine any day for being out in the woods. I'm not shooting Buffalo with it. Quoted: Your Welcome. Believe me, I'v tried to talk myself into getting a lever 45-70 several times and I can't justify it. I've so tried to talk myself into getting a 45-70 for several years. I have no idea what I would do with a rifle like that except for target shooting. I suppose shooting an elk with one with open sights would be fun sometime. With that said I've settled on 44 mag lever guns for their versatility. Do you find a lever action or AR working better in severe cold? |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 5:45:40 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For hunting white tail deer and taking it to the range. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This dumbass thread reminds me, I need to buy a Marlin 39A. For hunting white tail deer and taking it to the range. Or for whatever he wants. |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 5:47:01 PM EST
[#49]
I bet OP has heard that 9mm is just as good as .45 acp as well.
Just wait until antifa get all hopped up from injecting pot needles. A .45 acp will blow them clean across the room, even if you hit their arm. 9mm will just go right through, even a head shot won’t hurt. They’ll keep coming. Ever heard of the Moro Rebellion and Juramentados? |
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Posted: 2/4/2021 5:49:26 PM EST
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I said that to myself when I bought the 22mag on the left recently.
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