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Posted: 4/9/2016 10:06:52 AM EST
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Cruz has The people who run the party have a better ground game going-in than anyone. FIFY The party selects most of the delegates. The party chooses delegates who are loyal to the party. 
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Posted: 4/9/2016 10:06:57 AM EST
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Cruz has a better ground game going-in than anyone. The delegates have to return to their home state after the convention, owning who the candidate is. That is why Trump has no chance. And that is why Cruz has much, much, much more of a chance than anyone else. Utah, the Republican West, and the South can defend their choice of Cruz... Definitely not Trump. Probably not Ryan. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You live in a fantasy world. Cruz is not going to get the nomination. Cruz has a better ground game going-in than anyone. The delegates have to return to their home state after the convention, owning who the candidate is. That is why Trump has no chance. And that is why Cruz has much, much, much more of a chance than anyone else. Utah, the Republican West, and the South can defend their choice of Cruz... Definitely not Trump. Probably not Ryan. BTW, it works the other way around. The candidates make promises to the delegates. That's how Ford won the 76 nomination over Reagan. Once the convention goes to a second ballot, it's a matter of "when I become the President, I can give you X". Thus, later balloting heavily favors the candidate who has the best odds of winning the general. Cruz and Trump have to say "just wait till the general, then I'll convince all those moderates to like me". Kasich can say "moderates already like me....so, what is it that President Kasich can do for you?" |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 10:07:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 100% guaranteed losing ticket |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 10:08:46 AM EST
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............. That "nice" man would have you on the trains and into the showers in a heartbeat. It's like he has the mind of a fucking child who thinks money grows on trees for god's sake. Hopelessly and WOEFULLY wrong in his ideology. |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 10:09:27 AM EST
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BTW, it works the other way around. The candidates make promises to the delegates. That's how Ford won the 76 nomination over Reagan. Once the convention goes to a second ballot, it's a matter of "when I become the President, I can give you X". Thus, later balloting heavily favors the candidate who has the best odds of winning the general. Cruz and Trump have to say "just wait till the general, then I'll convince all those moderates to like me". Kasich can say "moderates already like me....so, what is it that President Kasich can do for you?" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You live in a fantasy world. Cruz is not going to get the nomination. Cruz has a better ground game going-in than anyone. The delegates have to return to their home state after the convention, owning who the candidate is. That is why Trump has no chance. And that is why Cruz has much, much, much more of a chance than anyone else. Utah, the Republican West, and the South can defend their choice of Cruz... Definitely not Trump. Probably not Ryan. BTW, it works the other way around. The candidates make promises to the delegates. That's how Ford won the 76 nomination over Reagan. Once the convention goes to a second ballot, it's a matter of "when I become the President, I can give you X". Thus, later balloting heavily favors the candidate who has the best odds of winning the general. Cruz and Trump have to say "just wait till the general, then I'll convince all those moderates to like me". Kasich can say "moderates already like me....so, what is it that President Kasich can do for you?" So if Trump just tells them "Nominate me and I'll give every one of you $1,000,000 immediately."? 
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Posted: 4/9/2016 10:10:37 AM EST
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............ It is reasonable to presume that if there is no nominee after several ballots and there is little movement toward one or the other of the candidates (a "deadlocked" convention) that the rules would be suspended to permit a reopening of nominations. After all, as the party elders and the TV talking heads would undoubtedly explain to the folks at home, the party needs to nominate someone and the convention can't go on for weeks. A "compromise candidate" would break the "deadlock". Will the farce be with the JEBI Knights? We won't know until the second to the last act. Scary stuff!! |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 10:10:47 AM EST
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The funny part, the R Party will seriously try and figure out "how they lost" everything in a couple years. No. Last week on Fox News Sunday, Chris Wallace trotted out the party's excuse for losing this year: Trump has prevented it from implementing the strategy set out in the 2013 Growth and Opportunity Project report, which recommended that the party out Democrat the Democrats. |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 10:11:10 AM EST
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It has nothing to do with her losing the general (she's going to win either way likely). It has everything to do with her gaining a Democrat controlled House and Senate.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If polls were accurate Ron Paul would have won by a landslide in 2008. Polls are meaningless bullshit and a Kasich/Rubio ticket will perform just as poorly as McCain/Palin did but with the added bonus of Trump supporters voting against every other Republican on the ballot in protest. That's the ticket Hillary wants because it will probably give her both houses and then she can really do some damage. You know, you're right. Hillary is scared shitless about running against Cruz or Trump. The very thought of having to convince the middle third of the electorate that she's the voice of reason compared to those two polished diplomats makes her piss her undies so often she's wearing Depends. It has nothing to do with her losing the general (she's going to win either way likely). It has everything to do with her gaining a Democrat controlled House and Senate. Why is her win a valid assumption? Her performance among moderates depends greatly upon who she's running against. Democrat turnout centers on the base is less motivated about her, and more motivated against the far right. Thus, she will either get a double negative or a double boost. |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 10:12:03 AM EST
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It's like he has the mind of a fucking child who thinks money grows on trees for god's sake. Hopelessly and WOEFULLY wrong in his ideology. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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............. That "nice" man would have you on the trains and into the showers in a heartbeat. It's like he has the mind of a fucking child who thinks money grows on trees for god's sake. Hopelessly and WOEFULLY wrong in his ideology. They don't understand economics, and they don't understand what makes people work. Literally work, not just how they think. Without a reward for hard work, people don't tend to work hard. If everyone gets the same reward of little or nothing, then you will get little or no work. If everything belongs to nobody, then nobody will care about what happens to it. Low production of goods and food, with a lot of ruined or "lost" production on the way. |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 10:13:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And we lose to Hilldog.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: http://e.lvme.me/3risbcx.jpg It's going to be Trump or Cruz at the convention. Trump doesn't hit 1,237 on the first ballot. Cruz hits 1,443 on the second ballot. Ta-da! Cruz is the nominee. Don't overthink it. And we lose to Hilldog. A Kasich/Rubio presidency is not a "win" against leftist ideology. This isn't rooting for a football team where the guys wearing your favorite uniform need to win to make you happy. What they stand for, who they owe favors to, and what policies they will implement is far more important than their party label. And these two clowns want to permanently destroy the country by giving socialists a permanent voting majority in the form of amnesty for illegal aliens. |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 10:14:40 AM EST
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Fuck trump.
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Posted: 4/9/2016 10:14:46 AM EST
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............ They don't understand economics, and they don't understand what makes people work. Literally work, not just how they think. Without a reward for hard work, people don't tend to work hard. If everyone gets the same reward of little or nothing, then you will get little or no work. If everything belongs to nobody, then nobody will care about what happens to it. Low production of goods and food, with a lot of ruined or "lost" production on the way. IIRC, Bernie's first job was when he was around 40 years old and it was politics related. So I am not surprised he just doesn't know. Can you imagine not holding a job until you are 40 years old then having the fucking audacity to tell people how economics, etc., should work. It is INSANE. |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 10:15:02 AM EST
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It's like he has the mind of a fucking child who thinks money grows on trees for god's sake. He doesn't think money grows on trees. He knows that so long as electrons flow through copper wire Congress will never run out of money. The government doesn't even have to go to the expense of printing it any more. It's Magic! |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 10:15:54 AM EST
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He doesn't think money grows on trees. He knows that so long as electrons flow through copper wire Congress will never run out of money. The government doesn't even have to go to the expense of printing it any more. It's Magic! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's like he has the mind of a fucking child who thinks money grows on trees for god's sake. He doesn't think money grows on trees. He knows that so long as electrons flow through copper wire Congress will never run out of money. The government doesn't even have to go to the expense of printing it any more. It's Magic! 
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Posted: 4/9/2016 10:17:56 AM EST
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Posted: 4/9/2016 10:25:37 AM EST
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Republican primaries have had record turnouts and these people are not showing up to vote for Cruz or Kasich. Democrats however have had record low turnout because most moderate Dems hate Hillary and don't want to vote for an avowed socialist. Hate him all you want but Trump has a pretty hardcore base of supporters who are big enough to torpedo the Republicans chance of holding onto both houses if the nomination goes to anybody else and that's a fact. I'm pretty bleak in my outlook of Trump beating Hillary but I know what will happen when the GOP selects a turd like Kasich. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm sick of people who don't know the difference between a primary and a general election trying claim Trump is our only hope for defeating Hillary. It's nonsense. Whether you you support him or not one thing is clear, he has the highest negatives of any candidate, well, pretty much ever. Worse than Hillary. All indications at this point is he the worse possible choice if your criteria includes the ability to win in November. Hell, he can't even secure a real majority in any state in the primaries. In other words, he doesnt even have strong support among Republican voters. To the contrary a tremendous number of Republican voters have sworn not to support him should he get the nomination. A Donald Trump nomination pretty much guarantees an abysmal turnout of Republican voters in November. So everyone can stop with this foolish idea that Trump is our only hope of winning. The opposite is true. Now personally I think "electability" is a bullshit reason to vote for someone. I pick a candidate based on their principles. I say support someone who's values you believe in and let the chips fall where they may. If that's Trump for you then go for it. But stop pretending that the Trump juggernaut is some unstoppable force that will roll over Hillary with ease. The much more likely outcome is she will trounce him. Republican primaries have had record turnouts and these people are not showing up to vote for Cruz or Kasich. Democrats however have had record low turnout because most moderate Dems hate Hillary and don't want to vote for an avowed socialist. Hate him all you want but Trump has a pretty hardcore base of supporters who are big enough to torpedo the Republicans chance of holding onto both houses if the nomination goes to anybody else and that's a fact. I'm pretty bleak in my outlook of Trump beating Hillary but I know what will happen when the GOP selects a turd like Kasich. You're right. Republican turnout has been record breaking. Where you're wrong is the belief that Trump is mopping up all those voters exclusively and Cruz isn't. Again Trump can't secure a majority anywhere. And perhaps youve forgotten iowa already, where cruz got more votes than any republican ever in iowa primary history. The fact is many of the people making up this record turnout are coming out to vote for anyone but Trump. If all the record turnout were going to Trump he would have had the nomination locked up months ago. Trumps "hardcore base of supporters" is in fact pretty hardcore but there aren't enough to carry him over the finish line. At the end of the day here are the facts. He has almost zero chance of securing 1237 and locking up the nomination before the convention. A very large plurality of the Republican electorate not only doesn't favor him, they hate him and will not vote for him even if he gets the nomination. And if all that weren't enough, in nationwide polling he is the most disliked candidate in the field. His negatives are record breaking bad. Again, I'm not trying to criticise his character, his principles ( or lack there of) or any of his policies. If you values align with Trump and he's your man go ahead and pull the lever for him. That's what your supposed to do is vote your values. All I'm saying is if your vote is based at all on a candidates chances of success then a vote for Trump is downright foolish. |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 10:26:09 AM EST
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So if Trump just tells them "Nominate me and I'll give every one of you $1,000,000 immediately."?
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Cruz has a better ground game going-in than anyone. The delegates have to return to their home state after the convention, owning who the candidate is. That is why Trump has no chance. And that is why Cruz has much, much, much more of a chance than anyone else. Utah, the Republican West, and the South can defend their choice of Cruz... Definitely not Trump. Probably not Ryan. BTW, it works the other way around. The candidates make promises to the delegates. That's how Ford won the 76 nomination over Reagan. Once the convention goes to a second ballot, it's a matter of "when I become the President, I can give you X". Thus, later balloting heavily favors the candidate who has the best odds of winning the general. Cruz and Trump have to say "just wait till the general, then I'll convince all those moderates to like me". Kasich can say "moderates already like me....so, what is it that President Kasich can do for you?" So if Trump just tells them "Nominate me and I'll give every one of you $1,000,000 immediately."?
Probably will promise free tuition at Trump University for their kids. On a serious note, that's what the floor fight will be over. Who can promise the most deliverable value for the delegate. Scary thing is for the Cruz, Kasich, Rubio, Ryan, Romney, etc camps is that for all his faults, Trump is one hell of a salesman. Everyone else can only promise value if they win. Trump can back up promises immediately through financial power. Ryan (like Ford in 76 as the sitting President) is probably the next most influential as the sitting Speaker. Kasich probably third, based on polling against Clinton. Cruz has little influence, as a junior Senator with a history of shooting down others' bills and electable only in solid red states. Whatever delegate count Cruz goes into the convention with, it will go down from there. I think the big fight will be between Trump and Team Kasich. |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 10:47:32 AM EST
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I so want to punish the GOPe for their failure to live up to their promises to the party and for caving to the Zero on every.......fucking......thing. Including passing the buck on the Iran Nuke "agreement" not Treaty. But we wind up punishing ourselves. The laws and rules never apply to these congressional parasites, they have their armed security, they have their secret money deals with lobbies and worse. They are exempted from the ZeroCare that was forced upon the entire nation just so the DNC could buy more votes. The 2016 is a diarrhea-covered shit sandwich, Bite, Chew, Swallow, Repeat I'll do what I got to do to allow me and mine to buy more beans, rice, bourbon and bullets, to give the young ones four more years to grow up and be more prepared for the coming world. I could not say it any better |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 10:49:07 AM EST
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It's always a shit sandwich, and that is how they stay in power. We always end up voting for the lesser of two evils, and they always stab us in the back. At some point we have to deal with the pain and quit voting for the bastards. It's never going to get better if we keep voting for the lesser of two evils. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I so want to punish the GOPe for their failure to live up to their promises to the party and for caving to the Zero on every.......fucking......thing. Including passing the buck on the Iran Nuke "agreement" not Treaty. But we wind up punishing ourselves. The laws and rules never apply to these congressional parasites, they have their armed security, they have their secret money deals with lobbies and worse. They are exempted from the ZeroCare that was forced upon the entire nation just so the DNC could buy more votes. The 2016 is a diarrhea-covered shit sandwich, Bite, Chew, Swallow, Repeat I'll do what I got to do to allow me and mine to buy more beans, rice, bourbon and bullets, to give the young ones four more years to grow up and be more prepared for the coming world. It's always a shit sandwich, and that is how they stay in power. We always end up voting for the lesser of two evils, and they always stab us in the back. At some point we have to deal with the pain and quit voting for the bastards. It's never going to get better if we keep voting for the lesser of two evils. Well said. |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 10:49:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryWhere the fuck do you get these stupid .gifs!!?? 
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Posted: 4/9/2016 10:51:31 AM EST
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Why is her win a valid assumption? Her performance among moderates depends greatly upon who she's running against. Democrat turnout centers on the base is less motivated about her, and more motivated against the far right. Thus, she will either get a double negative or a double boost. Trump wins the nomination, half the Republican voters don't vote for him out of spite #nevertrump. Hillary wins. Trump loses the nomination to McCain 2.0. Half the Republicans don't vote out of spite and hardcore Trumpets vote against all (R)s on the ballot to "send a message". Hillary wins and gets a Democrat controlled congress to boot. I hope I'm wrong but that's how I see this election playing out. |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 10:52:35 AM EST
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Holy Shi-ite, I thought this thread would not have even 5 responses
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Posted: 4/9/2016 10:53:39 AM EST
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Holy Shi-ite, I thought this thread would not have even 5 responses What.........you didn't realize we know the GOPe exists!!?? |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 10:55:03 AM EST
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Trump and his Trumptards™ should act like winners by concentrating on winning enough delegates to avoid a contested convention, rather than looking like pussies and whiners by fantasizing about some boogeyman "GOPe" "fucking them over" at said convention.
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Posted: 4/9/2016 10:59:25 AM EST
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Trump wins the nomination, half the Republican voters don't vote for him out of spite #nevertrump. Hillary wins. Trump loses the nomination to McCain 2.0. Half the Republicans don't vote out of spite and hardcore Trumpets vote against all (R)s on the ballot to "send a message". Hillary wins and gets a Democrat controlled congress to boot. I hope I'm wrong but that's how I see this election playing out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why is her win a valid assumption? Her performance among moderates depends greatly upon who she's running against. Democrat turnout centers on the base is less motivated about her, and more motivated against the far right. Thus, she will either get a double negative or a double boost. Trump wins the nomination, half the Republican voters don't vote for him out of spite #nevertrump. Hillary wins. Trump loses the nomination to McCain 2.0. Half the Republicans don't vote out of spite and hardcore Trumpets vote against all (R)s on the ballot to "send a message". Hillary wins and gets a Democrat controlled congress to boot. I hope I'm wrong but that's how I see this election playing out. There are a lot of us who are not for Trump or Cruz. We're for either of them. I don't care who wins as long as it isn't someone like Kasich, Christie, Bush, or Rubio. I'm done voting for the lesser evil. The Republican party might have been worth voting for the lesser evil when they had a spine and stood up for something, but they don't anymore. They don't fight to win. They surrender to win. They're the party of surrender and whine. Why vote for a party who is only going to stab you in the back? |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 11:01:45 AM EST
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A Kasich/Rubio presidency is not a "win" against leftist ideology. This isn't rooting for a football team where the guys wearing your favorite uniform need to win to make you happy. What they stand for, who they owe favors to, and what policies they will implement is far more important than their party label. And these two clowns want to permanently destroy the country by giving socialists a permanent voting majority in the form of amnesty for illegal aliens. .......and there it is. That's what this election really boils down to. Amnesty and a path to citizenship for 20 million or more new democrats (many in purple states and Texas). Plus all the family they will bring over and the rush to the border at the last minute surging the numbers creates a massive new Democrat voting block that will alter the course of the nation on a hard left turn. Kasich is not a win in 8-12 years when millions of new "Americans" plus all the well indoctrinated Millennials hitting voting age vote in the next Sanders not just in The White House but in congress as well. Hate to be a pessimist but that's how I see things going unless something drastic changes our current course. |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 11:09:47 AM EST
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Unless Trump's campaign goes through some amazing metamorphosis, the likes of which I can't even imagine, he won't win anything except a fairly large minority of Republican primary voters. There is no doubt, that to this point, it's the largest minority of republican voters, but it's still a minority.
Most of the people who haven't voted for Trump, don't just have another more preferred candidate they're voting for, they really don't like Trump, and many of them are voting against him. Trump has managed to do what I thought was impossible, he's unified a very diverse opposition. It's made up of leftist, classical liberals, conservatives, libertarians, moderates, the party establishment, and those that usually oppose the party establishment, the media is against him, and those that hate, and don't trust the media are against him. He's also not appealing to independents, and without that, a Republican candidate has a snowball's chance in hell of winning a general election. Trump is the most hated candidate that's run for the Republican nomination in ....hell forever. He's the only candidate the Republicans could run that's actually hated by more people than Hillery Clinton. I don't think he'll get the nomination. But it is kind of fun watching him try. He'd have to come up with some sort of brilliant sea change to his campaign strategy to pull off the nomination, much less win the general election. |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 11:10:23 AM EST
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.......and there it is. That's what this election really boils down to. Amnesty and a path to citizenship for 20 million or more new democrats (many in purple states and Texas). Plus all the family they will bring over and the rush to the border at the last minute surging the numbers creates a massive new Democrat voting block that will alter the course of the nation on a hard left turn. Kasich is not a win in 8-12 years when millions of new "Americans" plus all the well indoctrinated Millennials hitting voting age vote in the next Sanders not just in The White House but in congress as well. Hate to be a pessimist but that's how I see things going unless something drastic changes our current course. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A Kasich/Rubio presidency is not a "win" against leftist ideology. This isn't rooting for a football team where the guys wearing your favorite uniform need to win to make you happy. What they stand for, who they owe favors to, and what policies they will implement is far more important than their party label. And these two clowns want to permanently destroy the country by giving socialists a permanent voting majority in the form of amnesty for illegal aliens. .......and there it is. That's what this election really boils down to. Amnesty and a path to citizenship for 20 million or more new democrats (many in purple states and Texas). Plus all the family they will bring over and the rush to the border at the last minute surging the numbers creates a massive new Democrat voting block that will alter the course of the nation on a hard left turn. Kasich is not a win in 8-12 years when millions of new "Americans" plus all the well indoctrinated Millennials hitting voting age vote in the next Sanders not just in The White House but in congress as well. Hate to be a pessimist but that's how I see things going unless something drastic changes our current course. Amnesty is giving away our country. That is part of why I am not voting for Kasich. He's not the lesser of two evils. He's just evil. It's like choosing between Cthulhu or Yuggoth. All you're choosing is how you go insane or die. |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 11:17:49 AM EST
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Yea the front runner that draws massive crowds has the most negatives so says his opponents . Believe it if it makes you feel better..
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Posted: 4/9/2016 11:18:01 AM EST
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This is turning out to be the special olympics of elections, including the losers being awarded.
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Posted: 4/9/2016 11:21:19 AM EST
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OP I don't think they will get the node at the convention. Some elements of the party are trying to float that turd; but it is a sinker all the way around.
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Posted: 4/9/2016 11:29:09 AM EST
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Cruz or Trump. The members of the party have chosen those two with a resounding majority.
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Posted: 4/9/2016 11:37:41 AM EST
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Cruz or Trump. The members of the party have chosen those two with a resounding majority. To go against that and purposely lose because they aren't one of the insiders is insanity. Clearly neither candidate has won the majority of party voters. At least not at this point in time. The Republican party has a republican solution for this. Representatives (delegates) of each state's party will vote until one candidate wins the majority. There's really nothing strange about this for a republic. It's not "stealing" anything. |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 1:10:44 PM EST
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100% guaranteed losing ticket I suspect you're correct. All the Trump supporters will either vote for HillaSand or stay home and pout. For them, this election cycle isn't about doing the best they can for their country, it's all about lashing out at the Republican Party. 
That's BS....In fact I suspect the exact opposite is true. Trump supporters seem perfectly fine with voting for Cruz....I know I would be even though I don't care for nor trust him all that much. Cruz supporters on the other hand seem to be the ones with a huge case of the "sandies". It was good to see you finally come out closet. The last exchange we had, you denied being a Trump supporter. By the way, if Trump is the nominee, I'll be standing in line when the polls open to vote for the Republican nominee. If memory serves I said I'd decide for who to vote for depending on who was strongest hopeful coming out of SC.....Trump was so I voted for him on Super Tuesday. Yep, if there is a R next to their name come the general that's who I will vote for too. |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 2:12:04 PM EST
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100% guaranteed losing ticket I suspect you're correct. All the Trump supporters will either vote for HillaSand or stay home and pout. For them, this election cycle isn't about doing the best they can for their country, it's all about lashing out at the Republican Party.
That's BS....In fact I suspect the exact opposite is true. Trump supporters seem perfectly fine with voting for Cruz....I know I would be even though I don't care for nor trust him all that much. Cruz supporters on the other hand seem to be the ones with a huge case of the "sandies". It was good to see you finally come out closet. The last exchange we had, you denied being a Trump supporter. By the way, if Trump is the nominee, I'll be standing in line when the polls open to vote for the Republican nominee. If memory serves I said I'd decide for who to vote for depending on who was strongest hopeful coming out of SC.....Trump was so I voted for him on Super Tuesday. Yep, if there is a R next to their name come the general that's who I will vote for too. Nope. You were banging on Cruz a while back. When I said something about you being a Trumpeteer, you denied it. I asked who you supported and you came back with some third stringer - Jindel or someone. I thought at the time, "Bullshit, I've been reading this guy for years. He's a natural born Trump guy, through and through." And, sure as God made little green apples, here you are Trumping away in spite of the polls saying he's gonna get beat like a rented mule. Which is fine. Support whomever you choose. Truth told, I'd kinda like to see Trump take the nomination, find out once and for all whether pissed off white boys can elect a President by themselves. |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 2:19:57 PM EST
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This is turning out to be the special olympics of elections, including the losers being awarded. The country is broke. To improve efficiency and to save money the political process has been merged with the circuses which help keep the people quiescent. Once one figures out that the outcome of elections is much less important than we were taught as children, the combination of the two functions makes sense. |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 2:42:40 PM EST
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Nope. You were banging on Cruz a while back. When I said something about you being a Trumpeteer, you denied it. I asked who you supported and you came back with some third stringer - Jindel or someone. I thought at the time, "Bullshit, I've been reading this guy for years. He's a natural born Trump guy, through and through." And, sure as God made little green apples, here you are Trumping away in spite of the polls saying he's gonna get beat like a rented mule. Which is fine. Support whomever you choose. Actually I preferred Rand Paul over the whole crowd sorta like you preferred Walker.....I even had a "I Stand With Rand" sticker. LOL...Good thing I but it on a magnetic backing.
I've never have cared for Cruz from day one....Or more to the point when I found out Robert Mercer & Friends was bankrolling Cruz's PACs. My opinion of him has not softened either but if push comes to shove in the general I'll vote for him. That said unlike the usual suspects here I won't call you a dullard, retarded, or a low info voter just because of who you support but I will call out your BS when I see it. BTW....Cruz loses to FHRC too according to RCP, just not quite as bad.. 
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Posted: 4/9/2016 2:59:05 PM EST
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Actually I preferred Rand Paul over the whole crowd sorta like you preferred Walker.....I even had a "I Stand With Rand" sticker. LOL...Good thing I but it on a magnetic backing.
I've never have cared for Cruz from day one....Or more to the point when I found out Robert Mercer & Friends was bankrolling Cruz's PACs. My opinion of him has not softened either but if push comes to shove in the general I'll vote for him. That said unlike the usual suspects here I won't call you a dullard, retarded, or a low info voter just because of who you support but I will call out your BS when I see it. BTW....Cruz loses to FHRC too according to RCP, just not quite as bad..
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Nope. You were banging on Cruz a while back. When I said something about you being a Trumpeteer, you denied it. I asked who you supported and you came back with some third stringer - Jindel or someone. I thought at the time, "Bullshit, I've been reading this guy for years. He's a natural born Trump guy, through and through." And, sure as God made little green apples, here you are Trumping away in spite of the polls saying he's gonna get beat like a rented mule. Which is fine. Support whomever you choose. Actually I preferred Rand Paul over the whole crowd sorta like you preferred Walker.....I even had a "I Stand With Rand" sticker. LOL...Good thing I but it on a magnetic backing.
I've never have cared for Cruz from day one....Or more to the point when I found out Robert Mercer & Friends was bankrolling Cruz's PACs. My opinion of him has not softened either but if push comes to shove in the general I'll vote for him. That said unlike the usual suspects here I won't call you a dullard, retarded, or a low info voter just because of who you support but I will call out your BS when I see it. BTW....Cruz loses to FHRC too according to RCP, just not quite as bad..
What BS? I said "some third-stringer - Jindel or someone." Rand Paul fits comfortably in that description. And you're worried about Cruz's funding from someone that donates money to a variety of conservative causes when your guy's money came from sucking up to Democrats and bribing government officials? |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 3:34:14 PM EST
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FIFY The party selects most of the delegates. The party chooses delegates who are loyal to the party.
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Cruz has The people who run the party have a better ground game going-in than anyone. FIFY The party selects most of the delegates. The party chooses delegates who are loyal to the party.
If the people who run the party keep their deal with the Senator, he will win, if it goes past the first ballot. If the people who run the party dispose of the Senator like a used tissue, you won't know what happened. The folks who vote will have to return to their home states eventually... That is the problem that New York liberal Trump faces. No one wants to return back to their home state... Especially in the Republican West and the South and say, "I voted for the New York liberal..." That puts Trump in a disadvantage. Cruz appeals broadly in the conservative West and the conservative South... And Cruz goes into the convention with loyal support from those areas... Mike Lee in Utah has been campaigning hard in the conservative West for Cruz, and Lee carries a lot of weight... For instance. Lee is not going to win re-election unless he supports Cruz. There is no one else that Lee can support who he could admit publicly in Utah County... Provo, Utah... Lee is not going to admit supporting or voting for anyone else at the convention besides Cruz... That is just one example. None of any of the delegates from the conservative West or the conservative South *can* vote for Trump... Or any other liberal... They would get destroyed when they return home... |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 3:35:59 PM EST
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TL;DR Trumpette.
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Posted: 4/9/2016 3:52:06 PM EST
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Trump wins the nomination, half the Republican voters don't vote for him out of spite #nevertrump. Hillary wins. Trump loses the nomination to McCain 2.0. Half the Republicans don't vote out of spite and hardcore Trumpets vote against all (R)s on the ballot to "send a message". Hillary wins and gets a Democrat controlled congress to boot. I hope I'm wrong but that's how I see this election playing out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why is her win a valid assumption? Her performance among moderates depends greatly upon who she's running against. Democrat turnout centers on the base is less motivated about her, and more motivated against the far right. Thus, she will either get a double negative or a double boost. Trump wins the nomination, half the Republican voters don't vote for him out of spite #nevertrump. Hillary wins. Trump loses the nomination to McCain 2.0. Half the Republicans don't vote out of spite and hardcore Trumpets vote against all (R)s on the ballot to "send a message". Hillary wins and gets a Democrat controlled congress to boot. I hope I'm wrong but that's how I see this election playing out. QFT. Buy gun shit now. |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 3:54:23 PM EST
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This election is no longer so much about the Presidency as it is control of the Senate and Supreme Court. Think before you vote.
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Posted: 4/9/2016 3:55:10 PM EST
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What BS? I said "some third-stringer - Jindel or someone." Rand Paul fits comfortably in that description. And you're worried about Cruz's funding from someone that donates money to a variety of conservative causes when your guy's money came from sucking up to Democrats and bribing government officials. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nope. You were banging on Cruz a while back. When I said something about you being a Trumpeteer, you denied it. I asked who you supported and you came back with some third stringer - Jindel or someone. I thought at the time, "Bullshit, I've been reading this guy for years. He's a natural born Trump guy, through and through." And, sure as God made little green apples, here you are Trumping away in spite of the polls saying he's gonna get beat like a rented mule. Which is fine. Support whomever you choose. Actually I preferred Rand Paul over the whole crowd sorta like you preferred Walker.....I even had a "I Stand With Rand" sticker. LOL...Good thing I but it on a magnetic backing.
I've never have cared for Cruz from day one....Or more to the point when I found out Robert Mercer & Friends was bankrolling Cruz's PACs. My opinion of him has not softened either but if push comes to shove in the general I'll vote for him. That said unlike the usual suspects here I won't call you a dullard, retarded, or a low info voter just because of who you support but I will call out your BS when I see it. BTW....Cruz loses to FHRC too according to RCP, just not quite as bad..
What BS? I said "some third-stringer - Jindel or someone." Rand Paul fits comfortably in that description. And you're worried about Cruz's funding from someone that donates money to a variety of conservative causes when your guy's money came from sucking up to Democrats and bribing government officials. All the Trump supporters will either vote for HillaSand or stay home and pout. That was the BS statement you made and it still is. Pure unadulterated BS. BTW....Maybe you should watch the classroom scene in Back to School to learn how the business world works in the NE. Who knows, you might even get over yourself long enough to laugh.
Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlVDGmjz7eM&nohtml5=False |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 3:58:34 PM EST
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They push that shit I'm quitting.
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Posted: 4/9/2016 7:19:31 PM EST
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That's BS....In fact I suspect the exact opposite is true. Trump supporters seem perfectly fine with voting for Cruz....I know I would be even though I don't care for nor trust him all that much. Cruz supporters on the other hand seem to be the ones with a huge case of the "sandies". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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100% guaranteed losing ticket I suspect you're correct. All the Trump supporters will either vote for HillaSand or stay home and pout. For them, this election cycle isn't about doing the best they can for their country, it's all about lashing out at the Republican Party.
That's BS....In fact I suspect the exact opposite is true. Trump supporters seem perfectly fine with voting for Cruz....I know I would be even though I don't care for nor trust him all that much. Cruz supporters on the other hand seem to be the ones with a huge case of the "sandies". There's no #nevercruz or #neverkasich or #neverryan movements that I've heard of. |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 7:35:03 PM EST
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There's no #nevercruz or #neverkasich or #neverryan movements that I've heard of. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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100% guaranteed losing ticket I suspect you're correct. All the Trump supporters will either vote for HillaSand or stay home and pout. For them, this election cycle isn't about doing the best they can for their country, it's all about lashing out at the Republican Party.
That's BS....In fact I suspect the exact opposite is true. Trump supporters seem perfectly fine with voting for Cruz....I know I would be even though I don't care for nor trust him all that much. Cruz supporters on the other hand seem to be the ones with a huge case of the "sandies". There's no #nevercruz or #neverkasich or #neverryan movements that I've heard of.
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Posted: 4/9/2016 7:35:56 PM EST
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Posted: 4/9/2016 7:37:52 PM EST
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http://e.lvme.me/3risbcx.jpg It's going to be Trump or Cruz at the convention. Trump doesn't hit 1,237 on the first ballot. Cruz hits 1,443 on the second ballot. Ta-da! Cruz is the nominee. Don't overthink it. Why it this so hard for trumpkins to understand.
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Posted: 4/9/2016 7:39:12 PM EST
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http://e.lvme.me/3risbcx.jpg It's going to be Trump or Cruz at the convention. Trump doesn't hit 1,237 on the first ballot. Cruz hits 1,443 on the second ballot. Ta-da! Cruz is the nominee. Don't overthink it. And we lose to Hilldog. Nah, Cruz/Martinez will do just fine. You live in a fantasy world. Cruz is not going to get the nomination. Yes, he will. The quicker you accept this the less painful for you it'll be. 
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Posted: 4/9/2016 7:41:12 PM EST
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No, it's because of Trump that we are going to lose...which was his plan all along. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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100% guaranteed losing ticket and 100% would perform better than Trump Reality. Come back to it. Trump has millions more supporters than any other candidate and pulls voters from all demographics. Without Trump we are going to lose. No, it's because of Trump that we are going to lose...which was his plan all along. This guy gets it. |
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