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Posted: 11/11/2022 5:47:29 PM EST
If you can watch this and still tell me that Ukraine deserves our debt...then I feel sorry for your mother.
 Mark Turner - The Russia Ukraine War | SRS #040 |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 5:51:19 PM EST
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3 hour video, No not watching.
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Posted: 11/11/2022 5:51:35 PM EST
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Cliff notes for someone that doesn’t have 4 hours to watch this?
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Posted: 11/11/2022 5:52:22 PM EST
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Inbfs
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Posted: 11/11/2022 5:53:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cliff notes for someone that doesn’t have 4 hours to watch this? Ukraine is willing to be a victim and not defend themselves, so they can be a free shit nation. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 5:54:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Inbfs  Took a second but .. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 5:54:54 PM EST
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People say no time to watch and then will waste four of the next hours on trivial nothingness.
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Posted: 11/11/2022 5:55:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Inbfs In Before Shitposting? |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 5:56:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In Before Shitposting? Has the sun faded in Louisiana yet ? I hate daylight savings |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 5:58:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine is willing to be a victim and not defend themselves, so they can be a free shit nation. Lol. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:01:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. Guess you didn't watch. ETA: It's not the people...it's the leadership. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:08:48 PM EST
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:09:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine is willing to be a victim and not defend themselves, so they can be a free shit nation.  |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:10:50 PM EST
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OP....Ukraine had an estimated 3-7 million people starved to death by Russians less than 100 years ago. give Russia the opportunity and they would starve more Ukrainians and move ethnic Russians into the empty homes. maybe you should read a few history books. nobody helped them back then and no foreign army is helping them now.
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:11:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine is willing to be a victim and not defend themselves, so they can be a free shit nation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Cliff notes for someone that doesn’t have 4 hours to watch this? Ukraine is willing to be a victim and not defend themselves, so they can be a free shit nation. Jesus Christ, you spent hours of your day to come up with that completely absurd take on what’s going on? |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:12:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP....Ukraine had an estimated 3-7 million people starved to death by Russians less than 100 years ago. give Russia the opportunity and they would starve more Ukrainians and move ethnic Russians into the empty homes. maybe you should read a few history books. nobody helped them back then and no foreign army is helping them now. They're not being helped ? |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:12:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cliff notes for someone that doesn’t have 4 hours to watch this? I'll bet it's an old Cher song. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:13:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guess you didn't watch. ETA: It's not the people...it's the leadership. I'm not wasting 4 hours on that. Ukraine is close to pushing the russians back to their 2014 lines, and has pretty much been kicking their asses since August. Russia is going to lose. Our leaders are no better than theirs, probably worse. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:16:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not wasting 4 hours on that. Ukraine is close to pushing the russians back to their 2014 lines, and has pretty much been kicking their asses since August. Russia is going to lose. Our leaders are no better than theirs, probably worse. Did you learn that from a Vogue magazine or did you even attempt to watch the video? Like my edit said. It's not the people...it's the leadership. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:19:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guess you didn't watch. ETA: It's not the people...it's the leadership. With that logic any country deserves no support |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:20:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you learn that from a Vogue magazine or did you even attempt to watch the video? Like my edit said. It's not the people...it's the leadership. You should watch Servant of the People. 
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:21:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you learn that from a Vogue magazine or did you even attempt to watch the video? Like my edit said. It's not the people...it's the leadership. Everyone's leadership sucks. Pick one country with awesome leadership. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:22:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With that logic any country deserves no support |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:22:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine is willing to be a victim and not defend themselves, so they can be a free shit nation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Cliff notes for someone that doesn't have 4 hours to watch this? Ukraine is willing to be a victim and not defend themselves, so they can be a free shit nation. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:22:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP....Ukraine had an estimated 3-7 million people starved to death by Russians less than 100 years ago. give Russia the opportunity and they would starve more Ukrainians and move ethnic Russians into the empty homes. maybe you should read a few history books. nobody helped them back then and no foreign army is helping them now. Russia has had he opportunity siince 2014. If you would watch the video...you'll will see why Russia is still there. I'm not against Ukraine defending themselves, I'm showing this video to explain why they haven't after being aided from the free-world. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:23:58 PM EST
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Sorry about your traumatic brain injury, op.
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:24:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia has had he opportunity siince 2014. If you would watch the video...you'll will see why Russia is still there. I'm not against Ukraine defending themselves, I'm showing this video to explain why they haven't after being aided from the free-world. Why they haven't what? |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:25:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you learn that from a Vogue magazine or did you even attempt to watch the video? Like my edit said. It's not the people...it's the leadership. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not wasting 4 hours on that. Ukraine is close to pushing the russians back to their 2014 lines, and has pretty much been kicking their asses since August. Russia is going to lose. Our leaders are no better than theirs, probably worse. Did you learn that from a Vogue magazine or did you even attempt to watch the video? Like my edit said. It's not the people...it's the leadership. Care to give us some time stamps that are worth listening to? Because I jumped around and landed on one bit where a guy was talking about how after 2014 Ukraine should have increased its defense spending, but didn’t. A quick google search shows that from 2014 onward, their defense spending about doubled. On to your point of leadership vs the people, that seems to boil down to the idea that because Ukraine has a lot of Russian sympathizers in government means that the people should be forsaken? Also, maybe if you want to engage with people and get them to put in the time to watch a multi hour video, you shouldn’t have opened the thread with insults. It’s not only off putting, but advertises that you aren’t worth the time. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:27:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia has had he opportunity siince 2014. If you would watch the video...you'll will see why Russia is still there. I'm not against Ukraine defending themselves, I'm showing this video to explain why they haven't after being aided from the free-world. Serious question OP, are fucking retarded? Ukraine has been killing tens of thousands of Russians that invaded their nation, decimating their armor and air capabilities, and regaining more and more of their territory every day. How the absolute FUCK is that "not defending themselves" 
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:28:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Serious question OP, are fucking retarded? Ukraine has been killing tens of thousands of Russians that invaded their nation, decimating their armor and air capabilities, and regaining more and more of their territory every day. How the absolute FUCK is that "not defending themselves" OP doesn’t have a single post on the firearms forums. He is Russian. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:29:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jesus Christ, you spent hours of your day to come up with that completely absurd take on what’s going on? No I watched a SRS video that had boots on the ground explain to me what's happening instead of the MSM's take. Why don't you try watching before you give me your shit take? |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:30:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No I watched a SRS video that had boots on the ground explain to me what's happening instead of the MSM's take. Why don't you try watching before you give me your shit take? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Jesus Christ, you spent hours of your day to come up with that completely absurd take on what’s going on? No I watched a SRS video that had boots on the ground explain to me what's happening instead of the MSM's take. Why don't you try watching before you give me your shit take? Oh look…. “Anyone who disagrees with me must be just watching MSM news” Haven’t seen that one before, how clever and insightful. See my post (#27) a few up. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:31:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP....Ukraine had an estimated 3-7 million people starved to death by Russians less than 100 years ago. give Russia the opportunity and they would starve more Ukrainians and move ethnic Russians into the empty homes. maybe you should read a few history books. nobody helped them back then and no foreign army is helping them now. And 80 years ago Germany murdered millions in the camps an the Japanese attacked the US and marched thousands to their deaths in Bataan. Your point is? Speaking of reading history. The Ukraine was not a nation for a thousand years—from the fall of the Kievian Rus in the 9th century until 1917 there was no such thing as a Ukrainian nation. Crimea was never part of Ukraine until 1954. Before that it was Russian and before 1783 it was Ottoman. So if we’re are going to go with the “read history” thing, you’ve got to read ALL of it, not just the parts that support your limited understanding |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:32:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not wasting 4 hours on that. Ukraine is close to pushing the russians back to their 2014 lines, and has pretty much been kicking their asses since August. Russia is going to lose. Our leaders are no better than theirs, probably worse. You would rather waste a few minutes watching the MSM telling you what to believe? You only believe what the capabilities of Ukraine are because the MSM is convincing what they are. Boots > leaders. Try listening to them. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:36:25 PM EST
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So the complaint is
- Ukraine should have had more foresight that Russia was a big asshole? - They were not as fast to react as the Us millitary. - Ukraine should go on the offence more becuase if America was invaded the US would be balls to the wall fighting(*). ......... - I stopped watching becuase it's pretty much not even relevant or at the very least not correctly weighing the gained value vs lost value of sent weapons systems. (*) Probably correct but that would be purly hypothetical in a millitary sense given US capabilities. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:42:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Care to give us some time stamps that are worth listening to? Because I jumped around and landed on one bit where a guy was talking about how after 2014 Ukraine should have increased its defense spending, but didn’t. A quick google search shows that from 2014 onward, their defense spending about doubled. On to your point of leadership vs the people, that seems to boil down to the idea that because Ukraine has a lot of Russian sympathizers in government means that the people should be forsaken? Also, maybe if you want to engage with people and get them to put in the time to watch a multi hour video, you shouldn’t have opened the thread with insults. It’s not only off putting, but advertises that you aren’t worth the time. They used to have russian sympathizers in the gov. They kicked them out when Zelensky was elected. They did what should have happened when trump took office. The response to the house cleaning was the initial invasion that obammy let happen. Remember I will be more flexible after the election? On the positive side, their military has been using the western military model, and have been training to that doctrine, instead of the old soviet model. They have been forming an nco corps, learning tactics, and putting decision making in the same hands on the battlefield that the west uses. It is proving quite effective using the old stuff we had in storage. Russia is throwing bodies into the line within a month of dragging them off the street. Ukraine held on with their existing troops while they spent 4+ months properly training troops by western instructors, and now have classes graduating weekly to add to the mix, and have the luxury of rotation. This is the reason they will win as long as they have the means. They have a pipeline of trained personnel vs the meat targets from russia. Russia has stripped the military of it's training corps and sent them to the line. Same with the nuke troops. They have been sending anyone trained at anything into the mix. They are fucking stupid. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:43:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So the complaint is - Ukraine should have had more foresight that Russia was a big asshole? - They were not as fast to react as the Us millitary. - Ukraine should go on the offence more becuase if America was invaded the US would be balls to the wall fighting(*). ......... - I stopped watching becuase it's pretty much not even relevant or at the very least not correctly weighing the gained value vs lost value of sent weapons systems. (*) Probably correct but that would be purly hypothetical in a millitary sense given US capabilities. Kinda not concerned what the Netherlands thinks what the US should be spending. Perhaps spend less accommodating radical Muslim immigrants and more defending their own people? |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:47:29 PM EST
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"How much has the US given Ukraine? $50 billion dollars! Not enough for this welfare queen (Zelensky)."
- Candace Owens on TC last night Lol! Here's the only place I could find the clip: https://www.foxnews.com/video/6315358859112 |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:48:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You would rather waste a few minutes watching the MSM telling you what to believe? You only believe what the capabilities of Ukraine are because the MSM is convincing what they are. Boots > leaders. Try listening to them. I would rather review the several open source intelligence gathering sources that verify using satellite images and geolocation to verify what is happening on the ground. Why waste time with some retard spewing easily refuted bullshit? Your replies demonstrate a basic lack of understanding of what is going on in Ukraine. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:53:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would rather review the several open source intelligence gathering sources that verify using satellite images and geolocation to verify what is happening on the ground. Why waste time with some retard spewing easily refuted bullshit? Your replies demonstrate a basic lack of understanding of what is going on in Ukraine. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You would rather waste a few minutes watching the MSM telling you what to believe? You only believe what the capabilities of Ukraine are because the MSM is convincing what they are. Boots > leaders. Try listening to them. I would rather review the several open source intelligence gathering sources that verify using satellite images and geolocation to verify what is happening on the ground. Why waste time with some retard spewing easily refuted bullshit? Your replies demonstrate a basic lack of understanding of what is going on in Ukraine. Loll @ “open source intelligence sources.” It’s all the same in the end. Lol. “Open source” ends up being the exact same data everyone uses and it just gets into matters of opinion |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 6:54:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "How much has the US given Ukraine? $50 billion dollars! Not enough for this welfare queen (Zelensky)." - Candace Owens on TC last night Lol! Here's the only place I could find the clip: https://www.foxnews.com/video/6315358859112 From HIMARS to helos: What the US has given Ukraine  "welfare queen Zelensky" has done more work than Candace Owens ever has... and has been more successful. If he's a leech, then he's the least effective in history of military aid. Remind me how much we spend to give Israel and Egypt again... |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 7:00:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP....Ukraine had an estimated 3-7 million people starved to death by Russians less than 100 years ago. give Russia the opportunity and they would starve more Ukrainians and move ethnic Russians into the empty homes. maybe you should read a few history books. nobody helped them back then and no foreign army is helping them now. since the russian invasion, we've sent them 16.2 BILLION dollars. how is this not helping them? that money buys a lot of weapons, ammunition, and merc's. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 7:01:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Inbfs And then some... |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 7:03:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP....Ukraine had an estimated 3-7 million people starved to death by Russians less than 100 years ago. give Russia the opportunity and they would starve more Ukrainians and move ethnic Russians into the empty homes. maybe you should read a few history books. nobody helped them back then and no foreign army is helping them now. Stalin and Beria we're Georgian |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 7:05:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia has had he opportunity siince 2014. If you would watch the video...you'll will see why Russia is still there. I'm not against Ukraine defending themselves, I'm showing this video to explain why they haven't after being aided from the free-world. Russia is the aggressor in this war, what do you expect the Ukrainians to do? What would you do to defend the U.S. if it came down to it? |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 7:06:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryIs that the sequel where Beto hides his bike the basement of the Kremlin? 
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Posted: 11/11/2022 7:06:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Loll @ “open source intelligence sources.” It’s all the same in the end. Lol. “Open source” ends up being the exact same data everyone uses and it just gets into matters of opinion Which is why getting the info from the source makes it opinion free. I don't watch any network news or political opinion programs. What I find amusing and sad is all the retards who were good with wasting 20 fucking years with a bunch of inbred goat fucking idiots who hated us, and lose their mind when a country who actually embraces self determination and western values asks for help to fuck up a major enemy. They are fucking up russia with 25yo munitions and delivery systems. They are using viet nam era apc's as well. They are more than happy to fuck up russia with whatever we send, new or old. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 7:07:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No I watched a SRS video that had boots on the ground explain to me what's happening instead of the MSM's take. Why don't you try watching before you give me your shit take? we have family there, on the ground, in the middle of this. Your take is borderline retarded. You should feel bad. |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 7:08:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine is willing to be a victim and not defend themselves, so they can be a free shit nation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Cliff notes for someone that doesn't have 4 hours to watch this? Ukraine is willing to be a victim and not defend themselves, so they can be a free shit nation.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 7:08:32 PM EST
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90 Billion of .Mil abandoned in AFG. No telling how much $ aid to UKR, but Billions. How are our vets doing? How about that Social Security fund?
What could go wrong? |
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Posted: 11/11/2022 7:08:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guess you didn't watch. ETA: It's not the people...it's the leadership. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lol. Guess you didn't watch. ETA: It's not the people...it's the leadership. gee, i wonder what thats like |
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