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Quoted: geez that looks like something out of hollywood... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes I'd like to see this frame-by-frame. |
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Quoted: geez that looks like something out of hollywood... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Once the pressure wave hit and the debris started raining down, I suspect that this video went from being a documentary to a snuff film. |
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I guess the upside is, they don't need to worry about any secondary boobytraps before they move in to examine the site.
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View Quote that seriously looks rigged fire works do not sympathetic detonate, for for fire works to movs right to left like in this video there nust be time fuse involved |
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It took 28 seconds for the shockwave to arrive View Quote |
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Quoted: Interesting. No pipeline and no obvious chemical storage tanks. Maybe a ship itself went off unless they were storing ordinance in those warehouses which probably isn't kosher. View Quote |
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Quoted: Why is it that airbursts (nuclear and otherwise) cause so much more damage than a ground detonation? I’ve never really seen that explained well. View Quote Grab a flashlight. Turn it on. Hold it an inch from a surface and look at the illuminated area. Now hold it a foot from the same surface and compare the illuminated area. Now think about the photons being heat, pressure, and fragmentation. And, in the case of a nuke, add-in radiation and the EM pulse. |
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So I guess the is the largest explosion IN a major city since Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Plenty will want to study the after effects. |
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Quoted: There was a huge silo-building right there before the explosion...which isn't there afterwards. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtoZsvhWoAA3fX9.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eely-RtXsAkvf5V.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Interesting. No pipeline and no obvious chemical storage tanks. Maybe a ship itself went off unless they were storing ordinance in those warehouses which probably isn't kosher. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtoZsvhWoAA3fX9.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eely-RtXsAkvf5V.jpg Its still there, just damaged. Attached File |
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Quoted: ground detonation: large proportion of the explosive energy goes to digging the crater View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Why is it that airbursts (nuclear and otherwise) cause so much more damage than a ground detonation? I’ve never really seen that explained well. ground detonation: large proportion of the explosive energy goes to digging the crater Correct. We did all kinds of nuclear tests to understand optimum detonation altitudes. Ground detonation doesn’t put the energy where it’s needed for maximum destruction. |
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Video of Shockwave in tweet View Quote wow wee woah! That's so big! |
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Witnesses have stressed the sheer enormity of the blast, which was heard 125 miles away in Cyprus, and likened it to a 'nuclear bomb'.
It obliterated the immediate surrounding buildings, where firefighters were still battling flames last night, and even inflicted damage on districts miles away from the blast site. General Security chief Abbas Ibrahim said: 'It appears that there is a warehouse containing material that was confiscated years ago, and it appears that it was highly explosive material.' Lebanon's interior minister said ammonium nitrate had been stored in the unit since 2014, with experts agreeing that the chemical would cause the red plume of smoke which burst up from the blast. Local media are reporting that 2,700 tonnes of the chemical exploded, which scientists making initial calculations said was about three kilotonnes of TNT - roughly a fifth of the Little Boy atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima in the Second World War. A 'strange smell' at the port has apparently led officials to instruct civilians to leave for fear of any harmful toxins. Prime Minister Hassan Diab vowed in a televised address that 'those responsible for this catastrophe will pay the price,' and declared Wednesday a day of national mourning. More |
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Quoted: that seriously looks rigged fire works do not sympathetic detonate, for for fire works to movs right to left like in this video there nust be time fuse involved View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted:
that seriously looks rigged fire works do not sympathetic detonate, for for fire works to movs right to left like in this video there nust be time fuse involved He was MUCH closer than 100 meters. Maybe ~50 feet from the building that blew up. This is the filming location, north west corner of the silo standing near the pipe. |
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Quoted: So I guess the is the largest explosion IN a major city since Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Plenty will want to study the after effects. View Quote This happened in a similar port city in China, and it might have been bigger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Tianjin_explosions PEPCON was pretty epic, and it happened pretty close to Vegas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEPCON_disaster You may well be correct, just throwing out some other possible challengers. |
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Quoted: Which is why strictly just 2700 tons of Ammonium nitrate doesn't seem very plausible. That's enough to make a huge explosion. But this was like a tactical nuke level explosion. View Quote There is no delivery device/bomb other than a nuke that could be delivered by an aircraft or missile. I still think it was hidden storage or rocket fuel for scuds or like missiles. That orange cloud is a huge tell. |
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Quoted: Its still there, just damaged. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416227/58CF329D-94A9-40E2-B257-CA03F8C5E132_jpe-1533037.JPG View Quote |
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View Quote That's equivalent of 1.1kt of TNT I do believe. Everyone I ever knew that hailed from that city was generally a good shit. Sad day for them. |
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I have a feeling we aren't going to get the truth to what it really was.
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3 kilotons can do an awful lot of damage. Especially if the silos directed the blast into the city.
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Quoted: He was MUCH closer than 100 meters. Maybe ~50 feet from the building that blew up. This is the filming location, north west corner of the silo standing near the pipe. https://i.imgur.com/ml7X8Vc.png https://i.imgur.com/GwVHC3l.png View Quote
Phones are impressively hard to destroy via overpressure. ETA:
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Quoted: Made a gif of the blast wave. https://media0.giphy.com/media/TEpBfs7J1AenMpi9SD/giphy.gif?cid=4d1e4f29a08b80a205d7a20543bd893288e1c1dea1b7bea7&rid=giphy.gif View Quote cool gif Needs a no beans in chili tag |
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soooooooo, was this fireworks or an attack?
any link to what trump said? |
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Quoted: correct me if im wrong (in a civilian) but is there any non-nuclear device that could make an explosion like that? im guess no. ammonium nitrate will probably be a player in this disaster. as soon as i heard about it i though of the texas city disaster. i wonder if that blast was bigger than something like a davy crocket nuke or artillery nuke. the videos of that explosion is downright horrifying. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I keep watching different videos. Shit is crazy. correct me if im wrong (in a civilian) but is there any non-nuclear device that could make an explosion like that? im guess no. ammonium nitrate will probably be a player in this disaster. as soon as i heard about it i though of the texas city disaster. i wonder if that blast was bigger than something like a davy crocket nuke or artillery nuke. the videos of that explosion is downright horrifying. Several things were cooking off before the large explosion. Probably 10-20 items, ordnance or fireworks. Upon review of the nearby video, it looks like a fire, then deflagration, small explosions and then boom. |
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Quoted: This happened in a similar port city in China, and it might have been bigger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Tianjin_explosions PEPCON was pretty epic, and it happened pretty close to Vegas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEPCON_disaster You may well be correct, just throwing out some other possible challengers. View Quote Tianjin was only 29% the equivalent of Beirut and Pepcon second blast was about 1 kt, an estimated 1/3 of this event.. |
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Quoted: Grab a flashlight. Turn it on. Hold it an inch from a surface and look at the illuminated area. Now hold it a foot from the same surface and compare the illuminated area. Now think about the photons being heat, pressure, and fragmentation. And, in the case of a nuke, add-in radiation and the EM pulse. View Quote Thank you! That’s a good analogy. |
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Quoted: The Texas City disaster happened in 1947. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: So I guess the is the largest explosion IN a major city since Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Plenty will want to study the after effects. The Texas City disaster happened in 1947. But that was not actually in the city, it was in the industrial/oil refinery/port area. |
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Being that the explosion happened on a pier over a body of water, how much (if any) would that have amplified the effects/shockwave?
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Quoted: geez that looks like something out of hollywood... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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View Quote Not 100% correct. TM added fuel to the AN to make ANFO. |
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View Quote I doubt theirs was slurried with nitromethane. |
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#tinfoil
Someone was planning on doing something very bad with all that ANFO and the Joos beat them to the punch. I'm not an explosives expert or even close. But I have to imagine that storing that much dangerous chemical in an unsecured location wasn't an accident. |
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Jesus... judging by the aftermatch photos and highrises that were completely gutted, the death toll has to be thousands.
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Now would be a good time for the US to send aid or medivac injured folks.
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Quoted: Why is it that airbursts (nuclear and otherwise) cause so much more damage than a ground detonation? I’ve never really seen that explained well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: And, if that explosion had been an airburst a thousand or so feet above the ground, the damage would have been far, far worse. Why is it that airbursts (nuclear and otherwise) cause so much more damage than a ground detonation? I’ve never really seen that explained well. The fireball, thermal radiation, and overpressure envelopes of nuclear weapons are more than enough to get the job done. No need to overcomplicate matters. Getting back to the airburst concept: with respect to overpressure, ground interactions and shock reflections lessen the effects of the primary overpressure, so raising the point of the explosion helps to maximize the overpressure effects, but raising it too high reduces the overpressure effects. It's a balance. One of the things that lessened the severity of this explosion is that half of the hemisphere was more or less empty sea, rather than high rises. |
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Phones are impressively hard to destroy via overpressure. ETA:
View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: He was MUCH closer than 100 meters. Maybe ~50 feet from the building that blew up. This is the filming location, north west corner of the silo standing near the pipe. https://i.imgur.com/ml7X8Vc.png https://i.imgur.com/GwVHC3l.png
Phones are impressively hard to destroy via overpressure. ETA:
That AN has been in there a long time. There is a LOT of dust/dirt on the tops of those bags. Kinda backs up the seized ship story. |
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Quoted: Why is it that airbursts (nuclear and otherwise) cause so much more damage than a ground detonation? I’ve never really seen that explained well. View Quote Like others said, its all about where you put the energy. If you can burst it above ground level, that energy gets to spread outwards rather than digging down. If you really want to get into a rabbit hole of information, check out "Nuclear Vault" and "Periscope Films" channels on Youtube on the nuclear testing we did. Lots of good information to be gathered there, and while searching check out information on the development of the MOAB. It is also designed to detonate for maximum overpressure by "airburst" in the sense it detonates above the surface rather than relying on digging in. Plus with nuclear devices, explosions on the surface kick up more fallout and debris compared to an airburst. I seem to recall airburst had some weird pressure waves with it due to being directed down and then it would meet the outward ones, but I could be confusing the ones they tested submerged targets that had reflections off the ocean floor. |
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