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Posted: 4/18/2023 3:01:47 PM EDT
Grifters at the Pentagon LIED About U.S. Hypersonic Capabilities! |
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Can't watch the vidya right meow. Is it way worse than we all think it is?
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It’s really nobody’s business what capabilities we have or don’t have unless you’re employing them or the CIC.
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Is this is a video of Matt Gaetz at a Congressional meeting trying to get a "gotcha" moment in? Like Jim Jordan and the others?
Or is it some deal where he helped pass real legislation? What has Matt Gaetz actually done? Not talking about mugging in front of the cameras to get his soundbite in so he can get his face on Fox later. What is he actually working on? Show me evidence. I swear half of these guys don't do anything. They just go to some hearing, try to get their "gotcha" moment in, and then leave doing nothing. While the Idiocracy population high fives each other thinking someone got owned. Similar to leaving a WWF/WWE wrestling match thinking your hero owned the bad guys. But instead it's Kabuki theater. |
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We launched MARVs back in 67 or 68. Decided it wasn’t necessary then.
We can build them at-will. |
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Opinions of Matt Gaetz aside, he shouldn't be having that discussion in a public hearing. The leaking of classified information doesn't declassify the information or automagically allow for its discussion in open forums. That's one of the fundamental tenets of protecting classified information.
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Quoted: Opinions of Matt Gaetz aside, he shouldn't be having that discussion in a public hearing. The leaking of classified information doesn't declassify the information or automagically allow for its discussion in open forums. That's one of the fundamental tenets of protecting classified information. View Quote Yeah. At some point the political clout gained isn't worth the damage to the national security. |
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Quoted: The last time someone proposed this (it was Donald Rumsfeld) we had 9/11 a week later. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: How about a detailed Pentagon audit? The last time someone proposed this (it was Donald Rumsfeld) we had 9/11 a week later. That's factually incorrect. https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3219566/dod-makes-audit-progress-but-much-more-needs-to-happen-official-says/ |
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The entirety of the gov lies about everything , every single day . Defense stuff is different ? Lol
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Hahaha. Everyone who works, studies, researches in the hypersonic space has known this. This information isn't a secrete at all. We abandoned scientific pursuit in so many areas in pursuit of inclusion and political bullshit.
The Chinese and others have been whooping our ass in hypersonic research/development - many of those researches were trained her in US universities. We are just now playing catch up. There have been some recent project awards trying to kickstart US dev in the area. |
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Without elaboration we do have capabilities that are ready if a actual fighting War breaks out. For obvious reasons they are not discussed. Matt Gratz is a POS blowhard.
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Quoted: What if we're paying for a capability we don't really have? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: It’s really nobody’s business what capabilities we have or don’t have unless you’re employing them or the CIC. What if we're paying for a capability we don't really have? Or we are paying sketchy contractors to work on something that is already out there from someone else? |
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Quoted: Opinions of Matt Gaetz aside, he shouldn't be having that discussion in a public hearing. The leaking of classified information doesn't declassify the information or automagically allow for its discussion in open forums. That's one of the fundamental tenets of protecting classified information. View Quote After it's released, publicly available, and already consumed by everyone who is interested in it? That would look even more stupid. But then again, this entire system is a fraud where only mid-level rubes are punished for violating it. That it is in the public domain now renders the classification of it moot, and declassifies it as a matter of fact. |
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Quoted: After it's released, publicly available, and already consumed by everyone who is interested in it? That would look even more stupid. But then again, this entire system is a fraud where only mid-level rubes are punished for violating it. That it is in the public domain now renders the classification of it moot, and declassifies it as a matter of fact. View Quote |
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Quoted: Opinions of Matt Gaetz aside, he shouldn't be having that discussion in a public hearing. The leaking of classified information doesn't declassify the information or automagically allow for its discussion in open forums. That's one of the fundamental tenets of protecting classified information. View Quote Well, at least this saves some poor Asian hottie from having to fuck Eric Swalwell to get the info. |
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Quoted: Hahaha. Everyone who works, studies, researches in the hypersonic space has known this. This information isn't a secrete at all. We abandoned scientific pursuit in so many areas in pursuit of inclusion and political bullshit. The Chinese and others have been whooping our ass in hypersonic research/development - many of those researches were trained her in US universities. We are just now playing catch up. There have been some recent project awards trying to kickstart US dev in the area. View Quote Attached File |
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Quoted: Is this is a video of Matt Gaetz at a Congressional meeting trying to get a "gotcha" moment in? Like Jim Jordan and the others? Or is it some deal where he helped pass real legislation? What has Matt Gaetz actually done? Not talking about mugging in front of the cameras to get his soundbite in so he can get his face on Fox later. What is he actually working on? Show me evidence. I swear half of these guys don't do anything. They just go to some hearing, try to get their "gotcha" moment in, and then leave doing nothing. While the Idiocracy population high fives each other thinking someone got owned. Similar to leaving a WWF/WWE wrestling match thinking your hero owned the bad guys. But instead it's Kabuki theater. View Quote This is pretty much every recorded government exchange that we see. I think they all go get hookers and blow together after they say "gotcha" stuff to each other in front of the cameras. |
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Quoted: Hahaha. Everyone who works, studies, researches in the hypersonic space has known this. This information isn't a secrete at all. We abandoned scientific pursuit in so many areas in pursuit of inclusion and political bullshit. View Quote This is an odd characterization. There is very little emphasis on “inclusion” in the DoD research community. You could certainly criticize them for wasting money on goofy weapons programs, but it generally isn’t woke. Personally, I would say DoD research is actually in danger of losing its core competencies while in pursuit of stupid buzzword wunderwaffen that were never going to be practical. |
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He was being a dick to the admiral.
Anyone who follows this stuff knows we have went the stealth path instead of the hypersonic path. That doesn't mean we don't have strike and deterrent capability. Yes, our position would be strengthened with better defense capabilities, but Chinese and Russian forces have no good way to stop our missiles hypersonic or not. Frankly saturation attacks are cheaper than hypersonics and more assured of a kill. |
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Quoted: Is this is a video of Matt Gaetz at a Congressional meeting trying to get a "gotcha" moment in? Like Jim Jordan and the others? Or is it some deal where he helped pass real legislation? What has Matt Gaetz actually done? Not talking about mugging in front of the cameras to get his soundbite in so he can get his face on Fox later. What is he actually working on? Show me evidence. I swear half of these guys don't do anything. They just go to some hearing, try to get their "gotcha" moment in, and then leave doing nothing. While the Idiocracy population high fives each other thinking someone got owned. Similar to leaving a WWF/WWE wrestling match thinking your hero owned the bad guys. But instead it's Kabuki theater. View Quote Attached File |
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Quoted: This is pretty much every recorded government exchange that we see. I think they all go get hookers and blow together after they say "gotcha" stuff to each other in front of the cameras. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Is this is a video of Matt Gaetz at a Congressional meeting trying to get a "gotcha" moment in? Like Jim Jordan and the others? Or is it some deal where he helped pass real legislation? What has Matt Gaetz actually done? Not talking about mugging in front of the cameras to get his soundbite in so he can get his face on Fox later. What is he actually working on? Show me evidence. I swear half of these guys don't do anything. They just go to some hearing, try to get their "gotcha" moment in, and then leave doing nothing. While the Idiocracy population high fives each other thinking someone got owned. Similar to leaving a WWF/WWE wrestling match thinking your hero owned the bad guys. But instead it's Kabuki theater. This is pretty much every recorded government exchange that we see. I think they all go get hookers and blow together after they say "gotcha" stuff to each other in front of the cameras. Exactly! They "own" someone and then their families go have a steak dinner and drinks together later. And their kids go to the same elite schools with their liberal "counterparts" and their first names with the parents. Or sit together in the stands with their "rival" all chummy as their kids play lacrosse and talk about the next silent auction event or which daughter is is competing in an equestrian competition the next weekend. It's all a joke. |
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Disagree. This shit needs to be more out in the open. Especially wrt the utterly worthless cLittoral Combat Ship. Until the FOGOs and industry involved are humiliated, thrown in jail and bankrupted this shit won’t change. Same goes for the “revolutionary” electric powered everything CVN. Gaetz did well; INDOPACOM and his civi butt buddy need to be honest with the taxpayer, grow a spine and call out Brandon and his minions. Put all that gold braid on the table. None of the TTPs and CLs they want to discuss in classified session are unknown to industry and analysts via open source. Come on John, be known for something in the USN other than the 63rd title holder since Kimmel.
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There's this too:
Leaked Document Shows American Smart Bombs Are Failing In Ukraine American-made smart bombs are failing in Ukraine, based on successful Russian electronic jamming measures, according to a Pentagon document connected to alleged leaker Jack Teixeira. View Quote |
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Quoted: Opinions of Matt Gaetz aside, he shouldn't be having that discussion in a public hearing. The leaking of classified information doesn't declassify the information or automagically allow for its discussion in open forums. That's one of the fundamental tenets of protecting classified information. View Quote In this case, the problem is, its out there. If the Pentagon bureaucracy is telling Congress one thing, while the reality is something else, the breakdown in purse string control is as bad as the disclosure. The Pentagon civilians want to think THEY are civilian oversight of the military. It is not true. That is ultimately Congress' role. |
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Quoted: Is this is a video of Matt Gaetz at a Congressional meeting trying to get a "gotcha" moment in? Like Jim Jordan and the others? Or is it some deal where he helped pass real legislation? What has Matt Gaetz actually done? Not talking about mugging in front of the cameras to get his soundbite in so he can get his face on Fox later. What is he actually working on? Show me evidence. I swear half of these guys don't do anything. They just go to some hearing, try to get their "gotcha" moment in, and then leave doing nothing. While the Idiocracy population high fives each other thinking someone got owned. Similar to leaving a WWF/WWE wrestling match thinking your hero owned the bad guys. But instead it's Kabuki theater. View Quote 100% this. This is what all of it is. We're being played. |
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Quoted: This is an odd characterization. There is very little emphasis on “inclusion” in the DoD research community. You could certainly criticize them for wasting money on goofy weapons programs, but it generally isn’t woke. Personally, I would say DoD research is actually in danger of losing its core competencies while in pursuit of stupid buzzword wunderwaffen that were never going to be practical. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Hahaha. Everyone who works, studies, researches in the hypersonic space has known this. This information isn't a secrete at all. We abandoned scientific pursuit in so many areas in pursuit of inclusion and political bullshit. This is an odd characterization. There is very little emphasis on “inclusion” in the DoD research community. You could certainly criticize them for wasting money on goofy weapons programs, but it generally isn’t woke. Personally, I would say DoD research is actually in danger of losing its core competencies while in pursuit of stupid buzzword wunderwaffen that were never going to be practical. Not really odd at all. Maybe an poor word or incomplete way to characterize the state, but there are still very much "inclusion" type scoring elements in DOD proposals which interweave with the universities, government hiring, private firm actions and hiring. It is like a plague that infects everything. There is plenty of other garbage in there as well, including research into just plain dumb areas. Your second statement is 100% accurate. |
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Gaetz sounds like a fucking dumbass there. Keeps trying to goad them into discussing classified information in a setting where they aren't allowed to discuss classified information, then acts like he owned them for their refusal to throw away their careers by talking about it.
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Quoted: Members of Congress in their oversight role (which legally is all of them) and the President, as ultimate OCA, have clearances and are not bound by argument. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: You're free to have that opinion. Someone with a security clearance is not free to have that opinion. Members of Congress in their oversight role (which legally is all of them) and the President, as ultimate OCA, have clearances and are not bound by argument. Quoted: In this case, the problem is, its out there. If the Pentagon bureaucracy is telling Congress one thing, while the reality is something else, the breakdown in purse string control is as bad as the disclosure. The Pentagon civilians want to think THEY are civilian oversight of the military. It is not true. That is ultimately Congress' role. I don't disagree with any of that. Again, if Gaetz wants more info, he should request a classified briefing. |
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In 1985 an F15 (in the first test of the missile) launched an air to space missile that left the rail at around 36,000 ft. and took out a satellite 2,000 miles away with a terminal speed of 15,000 mph.
What is the speed of a hypersonic missile? How far do the Chinese/Russian missiles travel? And, our missile program was shut down because they felt the Russians would be upset about us further developing the capabilities to hit things in space using F15's. We may not have anything today. Then again, we may and no one is talking about it. So many people believe we've got "near" space ships developed from crashed/captures alien space craft being tested/flown out there at Area 51. But don't believe we've got hypersonic missiles? |
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Quoted: Members of Congress generally don't have clearances. They also don't have the ability to declassify information. In the case of a spillage, only the OCA has the ability to determine if the spillage warrants the original classification moot and therefore to declassify the information. Members of congress should be expected to treat classified information appropriately. Again, spillage doesn't render it unclassified, and neither Gaetz nor any member of congress can make that determination. If he wants more information, he can request a classified briefing. Discussing classified information in an uncleared forum, just because it's been released, is ripe for additional spillage of further classified information as anyone with half a brain (including the Admiral) knows. View Quote Then it is up to the military person to ask for a closed session. I didn't watch the briefing. Did the Admiral say "Sir, I'd be happy to provide you with my input in a closed session." Second, while I understand that spillage doesn't equal declassification, you're ignoring the oversight responsibility which is pretty broad. |
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Quoted: Is this is a video of Matt Gaetz at a Congressional meeting trying to get a "gotcha" moment in? Like Jim Jordan and the others? Or is it some deal where he helped pass real legislation? What has Matt Gaetz actually done? Not talking about mugging in front of the cameras to get his soundbite in so he can get his face on Fox later. What is he actually working on? Show me evidence. I swear half of these guys don't do anything. They just go to some hearing, try to get their "gotcha" moment in, and then leave doing nothing. While the Idiocracy population high fives each other thinking someone got owned. Similar to leaving a WWF/WWE wrestling match thinking your hero owned the bad guys. But instead it's Kabuki theater. View Quote They can't do anything without both houses but try and get people fired up to vote more of them in. |
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Quoted: Members of Congress generally don't have clearances. They also don't have the ability to declassify information. In the case of a spillage, only the OCA has the ability to determine if the spillage warrants the original classification moot and therefore to declassify the information. Members of congress should be expected to treat classified information appropriately. Again, spillage doesn't render it unclassified, and neither Gaetz nor any member of congress can make that determination. If he wants more information, he can request a classified briefing. Discussing classified information in an uncleared forum, just because it's been released, is ripe for additional spillage of further classified information as anyone with half a brain (including the Admiral) knows. I don't disagree with any of that. Again, if Gaetz wants more info, he should request a classified briefing. View Quote They already implied heavily they didnt have the capability and the leaks docs say as much. Perhaps the mil should worry more about who has access to information more than determining a classification moot after its leaked. |
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Quoted: He was being a dick to the admiral. Anyone who follows this stuff knows we have went the stealth path instead of the hypersonic path. That doesn't mean we don't have strike and deterrent capability. Yes, our position would be strengthened with better defense capabilities, but Chinese and Russian forces have no good way to stop our missiles hypersonic or not. Frankly saturation attacks are cheaper than hypersonics and more assured of a kill. View Quote The US has invested significant money to develop hypersonic weapons, under the concept of prompt strike and later conventional prompt strike. |
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Quoted: You're free to have that opinion. Someone with a security clearance is not free to have that opinion. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: After it's released, publicly available, and already consumed by everyone who is interested in it? That would look even more stupid. But then again, this entire system is a fraud where only mid-level rubes are punished for violating it. That it is in the public domain now renders the classification of it moot, and declassifies it as a matter of fact. Those are the mid-level rubes. |
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Quoted: I don't disagree with any of that. Again, if Gaetz wants more info, he should request a classified briefing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: In this case, the problem is, its out there. If the Pentagon bureaucracy is telling Congress one thing, while the reality is something else, the breakdown in purse string control is as bad as the disclosure. The Pentagon civilians want to think THEY are civilian oversight of the military. It is not true. That is ultimately Congress' role. I don't disagree with any of that. Again, if Gaetz wants more info, he should request a classified briefing. |
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