He can't defend Romney on the issues, so he attempts to divert attention to Trump.

Mitt is a cunt

Romney is a disgusting faggot. Fuck him, his family, and his followers. Pissed I ever voted for that scumbag. I won't repeat that mistake again. Ever.

Oh yeah, FF to 0:31...

Yep.

Roo, Try to explain this.

Many of our most talented members support Trump.  Most of them are veterans and real deal patriots.  How can they be so wrong about Romney and Trump?

They see Romney as a Quisling and Trump as a guy who is doing something great.

How can they be so wrong and you so right?

He punch Captain Kangaroo and he ran off to McRomney.

He’s doing great carrying John McCain’s torch. I dislike him more than some liberals.

It was only a matter of time before the Ann Coulter links were posted, as if opinion columns establish fact.

Next I'm sure we'll have self-serving press releases from NRA describing the great victory of gun laws under Romney's time as governor, and any members who are in Massachusetts and who lived there during the Mittens administration will be ignored should they post describing the real consequences of Willard's 'victory for gun owners'.

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Romney gleefully signs gun control, says he would do it again for years and years.
Romney flips flops flips flops now he supports the 2nd amendment.

Either he is a pathological liar or ........... will say anything to anyone to get power and money = Devil.
In the end it's proven he is a liar, plain and simple for whatever reasons only he and God know.

Trump Corp, among other companies, and The Chamber of Commerce bring them here for work.

Eliminating the carrot-on-the-stick bringing the illegals here in the first place is the best course of action.

"Forcing them to be homeless and jobless is downright evil."

Holy crap.

Forcing them out of work, and off welfare and back to their home country is the right thing to do. They can take their job skills and knowledge back to their home countries, to help build their home countries.

I defend Romney on issues where he is correct. He is wrong on some, right on others.

Romney is correct in his analysis of the Mueller report, for instance. Trump did not break the law, but Trump surrounded himself with criminals who did break the law.

Trumps inner-circle right now includes Jared Kushner, who could not pass a background check. Kushner is a lifelong conservative-hater open-borders, anti-gun Democrat.

Romney’s own words. He signed the permanent AWB in 2004 in MA. Try and spin all you want. His actions speak clearly.

Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts," Romney said, at a bill signing ceremony on July 1 with legislators, sportsmen's groups and gun safety advocates. "These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people."

Like the federal assault weapons ban, the state ban, put in place in 1998, was scheduled to expire in September. The new law ensures these deadly weapons, including AK-47s, UZIs and Mac-10 rifles, are permanently prohibited in Massachusetts no matter what happens on the federal level.

Trump is highly-effective at telling people what they want to hear. Trump has many faults, but one thing he does very-well is tell people what they want to hear.

Frankly, Trump is almost as good, and is in the same playing-field as Obama.

"Mexico will pay for it."

"You can keep your doctor, you can keep your insurance."

"Somebody else will pay for it."

Trump is highly, highly-effective at telling people what they want to hear. Conservatives wanted to hear that something would be done about illegal immigration. The icing on the cake was, "Mexico will pay for it." Conservatives wanted to hear that gun rights would *increase.* Conservatives wanted to hear that the deficit would be eliminated.

Why I opposed Trump in the Primary? I knew he was lying. Selling the impossible. Trump was promising to lower spending and taxes at the exact same time giving an impossible timeframe for paying-off the National Debt and eliminating deficit spending altogether. Impossible. He was lying.

Trump gave excellent speeches. Trump chanted, "LOCK HER UP!" Trump chanted, "BUILD THE WALL!" Trump promised things conservatives wanted to hear.

Trump --to be clear-- promised every possible thing small-government, pro-gun conservatives wanted to hear. And I was attacked and criticized for pointing-out that Trump imported illegal immigrants for cheap labor, funded anti-gun Democrats and initiatives, and was promising contradictory initiatives.

Trump rallied conservatives? Good. I voted for him. My hope was that he would push criminal charges against Hillary, defend gun rights (increasing gun rights is another near-impossibility) and make an honest push for deporting illegals. Trump has done none of those things.

If a conservative has a Trump bumper sticker on their vehicle, then I know I agree with them politically. Trump (and Democrat Jared Kushner) doesn't. But I do.

If that is the case, then they are ignoring what bad Trump is, "doing," especially on gun rights and immigration...

If I see a Trump bumper sticker on a persons  vehicle, I know they are a political ally. Gun owning, God-fearing conservative. I agree with them.

Trump and Trumps inner-circle thinks they are fools. But I agree with them. I am their political ally. Trump and Democrat Jared Kushner are not their allies. But I am.

I support small-government, pro-gun conservativism. I support deporting illegals. Trump sees that as, "mean spirited," and employed illegals. I think gun rights should be expanded. Trump says, "take the guns first," and sides with Feinstein and Democrats.

If I see a Trump bumper sticker on a vehicle, I see someone who thinks like I do on gun rights, and immigration.

The problem is that Trump just signed amnesty for illegals, and just set the pathway for another AWB after the next school shooting. Magazines, pistol grips, and adjustable stocks are mere, "accessories," to accelerate the rate of fire... To Trump and Trumps Democrat inner-circle.

You don't think its possible that folks --honestly-- believed Trumps lies. You honestly don't know how snakeoil salesmen work? Trump told conservatives what they want to hear.

Trump paid attention. Trump is smart. Trump told voters what they wanted to hear. Trump had zero intention of putting Hillary in jail. Trump just wanted to win. Trump had zero intention of forcing Mexico to build the wall. Trump just wanted to win. Trump had zero intention of eliminating deficit spending, increasing gun rights, and reducing government employees. Trump just wanted to win.

Trump had to lie conservatives to do it, but Trump just wanted to win.

Romney is a vanilla ice cream cone? Sure. But the entire Trump campaign was built on complete fabrications. Trump isn't a bad-ass. Trump is a buffoon. He was just highly-effective at lying.

Romney did not energize the, "Republican Base," like Trump did. Because Romneys plans were based on what Romney honestly thought he could honestly accomplish. Boring. Boring.

Trump was going to, "BUILD THE WALL, MAKE MEXICO PAY FOR IT!" Trump wasn't going to just beat Hillary in the polls, Trump was going to, "LOCK HER UP!"

Based solely on their campaigns (2012 vs 2016), one could say that Romney was boring, but Trump was exciting. The truth... Romney was telling the boring truth, and Trump was categorically lying through his teeth.

Folks will say that Trump is exciting, while Romney is boring. Sure. But Trump promised immunity to Hillary (breaking his campaign promise), just signed amnesty for illegals (breaking his campaign promise), drastically increased deficit spending (breaking his campaign promise), and has criminalized gun parts possession (breaking his campaign promise).

So much for Trump being, "alfa," and Romney being a weakling. Trump just buckled to Democrats, and failed on every issue important to conservatives.

I see a Trump bumper-sticker, I know it is someone I agree with politically. They are automatically my political allies. Trump and Democrat Jared Kushner see Trump supporters differently. That is why Trump and Trumps Democrat inner-circle have pursued a Democrat agenda on immigration (amnesty), gun rights (criminalizing gun parts), and have increased the size and cost of Government...

All anyone has to do to prove you are full of shit is post this video.... it proves your hypocrisy over and over...

Trump is the one stabbing conservatives in the back now...

Link

Coulter is a conservative. Her opinion holds weight.

If she is wrong, post-up a counter-argument...

It is rough for gun owners in Massachusetts. It was rough for gun owners in Massachusetts since they passed a stringent, comprehensive AWB in 1998.

Read the permanent, comprehensive, non-expiring 1998 MA AWB here: Link

Good luck finding expiration language. Its not in there. Good luck finding a sunset clause. Its not in there.

It was rough for gun owners in Massachusetts since 1998? Yep. Romneys 2004 law made many aspects of gun ownership better. The NRA (among other gun rights groups) described Romneys governorship as a victory for gun rights. Romneys 2004 law made some aspects of gun ownership better. For instance, the 1998 law criminalized gun rights for life over a misdemeanor. Romneys 2004 law created a legal pathway (that did not exist before) for them to get their gun rights back. Certainly an un-arguable victory, among other positives in Romneys law.

It is rough for gun owners in Massachusetts. It has been tough for gun owners since the comprehensive AWB in 1998. But you cannot blame Romney for that...

The argument is that Romney expanded gun rights. Most certainly did for those who had lost gun rights for life over a misdemeanor. The argument is that Romney was able to increase gun rights, but Trump has only restricted gun rights. That is an honest statement.

Romney had just duped Democrats into supporting an NRA-written pro-gun bill... Link

Romney had to use subterfuge to do it, but he did it... Link

On the other hand... These two look pretty happy to be attacking the 2nd Amendment...



Trump flip-flops and now has criminalized gun parts possession, and bypassed Congress to do it.

Trump and Democrats can now use the next major shooting to begin enacting an AWB that bypasses

I am pretty sure you just defined Trump there, buddy.

Trump *said* he was going to increase gun rights. Then Trump *did* the opposite.

Romney is a politician? No argument there.

Trump lied his head off, and made false promise after false promise on immigration and gun control.

I bet you think Trump honestly wanted to put Hillary in Prison. I bet you think Trump honestly wanted to make Mexico pay for the border wall.

Trump just wanted to win. He said whatever lie was convenient that he knew conservatives wanted to hear.

Romney lies and you call it subterfuge? You have no credibility...

"The" permanent MA AWB was put in place in 1998. Romneys, "words," were a ruse to get the Democrat majority to support a pro-gun bill.

His actions do speak clearly. Romney has had plenty of opportunities to side with Trump against gun owners. Trump has called for more gun laws since Aurora. Romney has not sided with Trump.

His actions do speak clearly.

Trumps, "take the guns first," actions also speak clearly.

Trump has also called for gun control.

Here is the 1998 MA AWB... Try to find a scheduled expiration... Good luck... Link

Romney spun support for his 2004 law, by saying the 1998 law was about to expire. The liberal press and Democrats took the bait. None of them read the 1998 law. It has no expiration clause, and had no expiration date. Romneys 2004 law was a start-to-finish pro-gun law.

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Trump, "says," that he takes border security seriously, and on the other hand imports illegals to mow his golf courses.

Trump, "says," that he is pro-gun, then criminalizes gun parts possession.

Watch what a politician actually does. Read the law. Learn for yourself.

The 1998 MA AWB does not contain any expiration clause or expiration date or expiration statement. It wasn't going anywhere. It is still the AWB on the books in MA. Romneys 2004 expanded gun rights for gun owners in MA.

There is no argument that Romney has moved to the political right.

That is where gun owners want politicians to be. On the political  right.

All anyone has to do to prove that Trump lied to get elected is to show that he criminalized gun parts possession, and signed amnesty and legal protections to illegals into law.

Romney moved to the political right on abortion and gun rights? Gasp! The horror!

Trump criminalized gun parts possession and gave illegals amnesty. Chirps.

Is this what passes for weaponized autism on the left?

Romney lied to Democrats to honor his oath to the Constitution, and attempt to increase gun rights.

Trump lied to Conservatives, and broke his oath to the Constitution, and has criminalized gun parts possession, given long-term legal protections to illegals, and increased foreign debt.

Politicians are going to politick.

Trump has broken almost every campaign promise he made that were important to conservatives... Lying liar who lies.

Romney? Romney increased gun rights. Took a political fight, but he did it. Trump? Trump promised to increase gun rights, and has done the opposite. Trump promised a, "deportation force," and instead gave illegals legal protections.

Just stopped in to stop the madness in this thread by stating fuck failed presidential candidate Mitt Romney...this is MAGA country now.

lol.

The lefts memes are a lot like Trumps campaign promises, eh? Lol.

I am a gun owning, small-government, reduce-spending conservative, (putting me on opposite sides of the line with, "take the guns first," Trump and Trumps followers) and I won't use DNC-made memes against any Republican. I make my own.

So my memes are my own. You cannot say the same...

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Gun control, amnesty for illegals. Not something conservatives should be celebrating...

Soooooooo........
When Romney said he was pro-life then also said he was pro choice......
When Romney said he was pro-gay marriage then also said he was against gay marriage

He lied at least twice then....how was either case honoring his oath?

Trump won because he lied his head off about his intentions on limiting gun rights, and increasing legal protections for illegal immigrants...

Mods, just give this thing a mercy shot.

Trump lied more than twice. On Gun rights and immigration... And abortion... The list goes on and on.

Did Romney move to the political-right on issues important to the political-right? Yep. Gay marriage and abortion...

And Romney has consistently defended gun rights, and consistently called for lower spending... The list is pretty long on what Romney has moved to the solid political-right on.

Romney has moved to the political right. There is no excuse for his previous positions. But I will defend the ideals and platform of the political-right. I oppose gay marriage. Always have. I oppose abortion. It is murder. I always have. Romney, while a conservative religious leader, talked a woman out of an abortion, and attempted to talk another who ended up killing her kid in an abortion, and she left The Church, became a liberal, and attacks Romney for Romneys hardcore conservative religious beliefs and Romneys decision to try to save the baby. I support life. And I support Romneys move to the right. I will take anyone on the political right.

On the same token.

Trump, who says he is a Democrat, and I believe him... Moved to the political-left with his, "take the guns first," anti-gun agenda. Trump claims on one hand to support gun rights, then criminalizes gun parts possession on the other.

That is a move to the political left. Something I cannot support.

Trump moved to the political-left with his amnesty, "deal." Trump gave swaths of legal protections and incentives to illegal immigrants. Trumps cover-fire for his move to the political-left on immigration is that Trump got 26 miles of, "bollard fence," he falsely calls his, "wall."

That is a move to the political left. A clear move to the political left.

Romney moved to the political right. Trump moved --clearly-- to the political left, all while shouting he was moving right... Trump moved left on immigration, gun rights, and the cost and size of government...

Romney moved right. Trump moved left.

If you really think that signing a permanent AWB and then asking for more gun control is the “greatest victory” there is no help for you.

“The bill was the greatest victory for gun owners since the passage of the gun control laws in 1998..).”

It’s a complete failure. Overturning the AWB would be a victory. But you don’t see that.

When the first word out of your mouth in defending Romney is “Trump” every time you might need to work on actual defense of Romney. Stop talking about Trump.

No one is insulting anyone.

No one is calling anyone names.

No one is hitting below the belt...

Do folks want to hear that it isn't awesome that Trump signed amnesty and gun control? Nope.

Is Romney --who couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag-- popular here for pointing-out Trumps flaws? Nope.

But no one is insulting anyone. No one is calling anyone names. No one is hitting below the belt... Trump is breaking campaign promise after campaign promise. He is not doing what we elected him to do. Some of Trumps, "take the guns first," followers don't want to hear criticisms for Trumps political move to the left on gun rights and immigration... But as long as we discuss Trumps move left, and Trumps failures honestly and openly... I see no reason to try to call-in mods.

No one is breaking the rules. Trumps, "take the guns first," followers are following the rules. I am following the rules... There is no reason to be scared or frightened of honest and open discussion.

Mods... Please keep this thread open. No one is breaking the rules. No one is hitting below the belt. No one is calling names...

Those are not my words. GOALS words match the NRAs. Read the links. They don't agree on everything, but they agree Romney expanded gun rights in 2004 in MA...

There had been no hope for gun owners since 1998. Those words are correct. Romneys 2004 law expanded gun rights.

Ah, I see.

Set the bar so high, Romney can't reach it.

Romney did not do *enough* so that justifies someone like Trump who has actually restricted gun rights...

Did Romney expand gun rights in MA? Absolutely, yes.

Did Romney do enough? Nope. Not in a million years.

What was the worst aspect of the 1998 MA AWB... In my opinion it was not magazine capacity restrictions, even though that was bad, the worst restriction was eliminating all gun rights for life over misdemeanors. One DUI in MA could mean a loss of gun rights for life. Romney created a legal pathway for them to get their gun rights back... Perfect? Nope. Not in a million years.

An expansion of gun rights? Absolutely, yes.

There needs to be a comparison.

Especially when Romneys fiercest critics for Romneys move  to the political-right come from, "take the guns first," Trump supporters who defend and support Trumps move (back) to the political-left on gun rights, immigration, and the size and cost of Government.

Romney is not perfect, not in a million years. But it could be worse... It could be amnesty and, "take the guns first," worse...

Hell no, I say push it to 11, I want to if a Roo can go full on core meltdown.

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Even after a decade somethings never change.
Shame shame.

You are the Farva of memes.

And they suck.

someone could eat a bowl of spaghetti O's then shit on a picture and it would be an improvement over them.

meme

a humorous image, video, piece of text, etc., that is copied (often with slight variations) and spread rapidly by Internet users.

I'm not seeing it either...

I definitely hate him more than an honest liberal. He is a duplicitous cunt, a whiney faggot who didn't win the game so he turns over the board.  But because he says it in a cultured voice people think he deserves some respect. I went to prep school with cunts like him and I would tell him to his face with all the disdainful haughtiness I could muster from my memory or 6 years of asshole like him in school.

Romney is a Globalist Scumbag in the same vein as Bush and McCain. If elected, he would have resurrected the push for the North American Union.

Fighting the advance of Globalism is the number one important issue facing America. Once America relinquishes its sovereignty to a Corporatocratic-Multi-National Super-state... you can kiss the *ENTIRE* Bill of Rights goodbye.

shit I voted for me rather than that kangaroo loving motherfucker

Lies don’t matter to the people who are voting for him only because of the possibility of getting a morman president. Nothing else matters and all other discussion is just to distract you from their one true goal.

I could feel the your commitment, very nice.
Fuck mittens.
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He visited my work once........ I was off that day.

I swear. He (and other Rinos) needs to shut up and work with Trump to help fix the big issues...

Is Trump perfect?......no.... but who is... we had the house and senate and still didn’t get jack shit done.

If they focused on working together instead of taking shots at Trump we would be much better off.

Once a Democrat, always a Democrat for Trump...