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Posted: 1/28/2018 7:23:04 PM EDT

Watching the true story about the 96 tragedy it's hard to believe people put themselves in those kind of environments to say " I went where many haven't. "

The guy from TX that survived lost his nose and both hands. Hell of a price to pay to come back home

Posted: 1/28/2018 7:24:37 PM EDT

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In before the pictures of Rainbow Valley

Posted: 1/28/2018 7:32:46 PM EDT

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Doesn't seem like a tragedy, seems to be expected

Posted: 1/28/2018 7:38:25 PM EDT

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People do lose their lives up there but the story goes they were on the way back down when a fast moving storm came in and that combined with lack of oxygen did them in.

Posted: 1/28/2018 7:40:08 PM EDT

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Coming down is what gets most of the victims.

Posted: 1/28/2018 7:40:41 PM EDT

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Tag

Posted: 1/28/2018 7:40:47 PM EDT

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I was listening to a Joe Rogan podcast in which he had a guest who rescues climbers. He summited Everest in 2001, and said that most deaths happen on the way down.

Posted: 1/28/2018 7:41:28 PM EDT

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Far more people die on interstate highways every year.

Posted: 1/28/2018 7:42:47 PM EDT

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I think those people would rather go out doing what they love.

Posted: 1/28/2018 7:43:28 PM EDT

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I've read about it, I just figure that you should be prepared for a undertaking such as Everest to be your last. That's serious badass/foolish. Not really making light of it, and I would hope everyone makes it back every time, but its not a normal hiking trip

Posted: 1/28/2018 7:46:46 PM EDT

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But 6.5% of those who drive them don't die from doing so.

Posted: 1/28/2018 7:47:30 PM EDT

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Read "Into Thin Air"

Posted: 1/28/2018 7:49:15 PM EDT

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Posted: 1/28/2018 7:49:39 PM EDT

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Fuck Jon Krakauer.

Posted: 1/28/2018 7:50:59 PM EDT

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Joe Rogan Experience #977 - Jeff Evans & Bud Brutsman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYMXjYRDAjc

Sounds like an interesting one.

Posted: 1/28/2018 7:51:31 PM EDT

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Posted: 1/28/2018 7:53:29 PM EDT

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Stupidity is the human way .

Posted: 1/28/2018 7:53:39 PM EDT

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That's the one..

Posted: 1/28/2018 7:54:03 PM EDT

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Good read without a doubt,

What I didn't realize how that's been turned into a garbage can up there too...

Posted: 1/28/2018 7:54:46 PM EDT

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The biggest problem in 96 was the incompetence of the tour guides. There are strict turn around times so you can get back to camp safely, summit achieved or not. These were completely ignored and people died for it. The Texas guy that lost body parts also went snow blind early on(one of the first LASIK patients to go high altitude climbing, found some problems) and they just left him on the mountain saying they'd help him down when they return from the summit. Which didn't happen because they didn't turn around on schedule.

Posted: 1/28/2018 7:58:26 PM EDT

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Anyone want to go up to the top and take a crazy carpet back down

Posted: 1/28/2018 7:58:27 PM EDT

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People do lose their lives up there but the story goes they were on the way back down when a fast moving storm came in and that combined with lack of oxygen did them in.

If I remember right, the reason they got stuck on the way down was because they were late getting to the summit due to a traffic jam of climbers all attempting to summit the same day. Get-there-itis on the part of the guides/climbers meant they took the risk of summiting too late and getting trapped in the weather.

Posted: 1/28/2018 7:59:53 PM EDT

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Who was the noob girl that they dragged her ass up over the top and she only eat Ramon noodles or some shit like that

Posted: 1/28/2018 8:00:23 PM EDT

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If it was easy, everyone would do it.

Posted: 1/28/2018 8:02:25 PM EDT

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The biggest problem in 96 was the incompetence of the tour guides. There are strict turn around times so you can get back to camp safely, summit achieved or not. These were completely ignored and people died for it. The Texas guy that lost body parts also went snow blind early on(one of the first LASIK patients to go high altitude climbing, found some problems) and they just left him on the mountain saying they'd help him down when they return from the summit. Which didn't happen because they didn't turn around on schedule.

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wow... that's fucked up

some peoples ambition huh...

Posted: 1/28/2018 8:03:37 PM EDT

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Watching the true story about the 96 tragedy it's hard to believe people put themselves in those kind of environments to say " I went where many haven't. "

The guy from TX that survived lost his nose and both hands. Hell of a price to pay to come back home

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I don't even know if that really applies so much anymore.

Problems often arise (including during the '96 tragedy) because so many people are going up at once.

Posted: 1/28/2018 8:04:18 PM EDT

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If I remember right, the reason they got stuck on the way down was because they were late getting to the summit due to a traffic jam of climbers all attempting to summit the same day. Get-there-itis on the part of the guides/climbers meant they took the risk of summiting too late and getting trapped in the weather.

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Yep, those ppl paid 40-50k plus to summit and to hell with safety and anybody else

Posted: 1/28/2018 8:04:30 PM EDT

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It's because most people who pay $80-100k to be guided up fail to realize, even after being told relentlessly, that getting to the top is only 50% of the climb. Accidents happen when clients get careless, rush, are exhausted, etc. on the way down. They spend all their energy getting to the top without realizing they need almost as much time and energy for the trip down.

Posted: 1/28/2018 8:06:17 PM EDT

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If you think Everest climbers are crazy, check out K2

Posted: 1/28/2018 8:08:30 PM EDT

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This one may be close to that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4e5_W9k-4A

Posted: 1/28/2018 8:10:13 PM EDT

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Go watch "Meru" on Netflix or Amazon. Those guys are fucking insane.

Posted: 1/28/2018 8:16:07 PM EDT

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Everybody dies, som choose the time and place.

Posted: 1/28/2018 8:16:41 PM EDT

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This one may be close to that.

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That guy had a Gurkha patch on his hat....may explain his big brass balls

Posted: 1/28/2018 8:16:42 PM EDT

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It's because most people who pay $80-100k to be guided up fail to realize, even after being told relentlessly, that getting to the top is only 50% of the climb. Accidents happen when clients get careless, rush, are exhausted, etc. on the way down. They spend all their energy getting to the top without realizing they need almost as much time and energy for the trip down.

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Yeah.. I hate to make the comparison, but anyone that hikes and does some strenuous stuff knows that coming down is an entirely different workout, and can be worse than going up... often you're at your very limit near the end, and there's just a much greater chance of losing your footing on the way down, so the combination with exhaustion makes it dicey..

Posted: 1/28/2018 8:20:02 PM EDT

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Hypoxia and freezing to death is probably very peaceful.

Posted: 1/28/2018 8:23:10 PM EDT

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isn't it often edema of some form?

that sounds like fun

Posted: 1/28/2018 8:34:24 PM EDT

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HACE and HAPE- High Altitude Cerebral Edema and High Altitude Pulmonary Edema

Posted: 1/28/2018 8:35:29 PM EDT

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Clipping jumars into pre-placed fixed ropes and breathing out of a SCUBA tank is not mountain climbing.

In reality, to the serious alpinist, pre-placed ropes are cheating and O2 bottles are much too heavy to be considered practical for the speeds necessary to move in the mountains safely.

For a more realistic portrayal of what is actually real alpine climbing, check out Mark Twight's books. He's a hard core badass.

Those fools on Everest are just tourists w/ SCUBA tanks, they are not to be confused with real alpine climbers. I just thought I should clarify.

Posted: 1/28/2018 8:37:10 PM EDT

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K2 has about a 23% death/summit rate. Everest is around 9%.
One of these days a surprise storm is going to catch the huge column of climbers stuck in the "traffic jam" between the summit and high camp on Everest. It'll kill many more than in 1996.

Posted: 1/28/2018 8:37:18 PM EDT

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Who was the noob girl that they dragged her ass up over the top and she only eat Ramon noodles or some shit like that

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Sandy Pittman, but complete misconception. Accomplished mountaineer who finished the Seven Summits that day and survived without any real injury. Her 3rd attempt at Everest, hardly a noob. All the clients and Sherpas in her group survived, and one of her guides died while trying to rescue the idiots from another agency that didn't turn around on time. She did have a customized stove but it was basically a fancy lightweight climbing stove, which is required equipment anyway. Some media hack turned it into a complete tea set that was hauled up by Sherpas.

Posted: 1/28/2018 8:39:35 PM EDT

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Clipping jumars into pre-placed fixed ropes and breathing out of a SCUBA tank is not mountain climbing.

In reality, to the serious alpinist, pre-placed ropes are cheating and O2 bottles are much too heavy to be considered practical for the speeds necessary to move in the mountains safely.

For a more realistic portrayal of what is actually real alpine climbing, check out Mark Twight's books. He's a hard core badass.

Those fools on Everest are just tourists w/ SCUBA tanks, they are not to be confused with real alpine climbers. I just thought I should clarify.

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I'm sure all of those guys before Reinhold Messner feel like they were complete and utter failures for their use of oxygen, probably the Sherpas who've used it as well even though some of them have summited multiple times. Yeah, I get what you're trying to say, but it really doesn't apply to a lot of the people who've been.

Posted: 1/28/2018 8:41:38 PM EDT

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Clipping jumars into pre-placed fixed ropes and breathing out of a SCUBA tank is not mountain climbing.

In reality, to the serious alpinist, pre-placed ropes are cheating and O2 bottles are much too heavy to be considered practical for the speeds necessary to move in the mountains safely.

For a more realistic portrayal of what is actually real alpine climbing, check out Mark Twight's books. He's a hard core badass.

Those fools on Everest are just tourists w/ SCUBA tanks, they are not to be confused with real alpine climbers. I just thought I should clarify.

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Are you a real alpine climber? Not a call out, just curious if you have some good stories to tell.

Thanks in advance.

Posted: 1/28/2018 8:44:02 PM EDT

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I was listening to a Joe Rogan podcast in which he had a guest who rescues climbers. He summited Everest in 2001, and said that most deaths happen on the way down.

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Most of the Mallory recovery expedition believed he had summited (making him the first to summit Everest) but died on the way down.
Coming down is tough & dangerous - get tired, get sloppy, make a misstep & put crampon points into your calf, then you really have a tough time walking down!

ETA "Touching the Void" is a good movie: 2 experienced climbers summit Siula Grande in the Peruvian Andes. It goes as you might expect. Strange movie about a true event.

Posted: 1/28/2018 8:44:12 PM EDT

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I wouldn't piss on Kathy O'dowd and Ian Woodall if they were on the ground in front of me on fire.

Posted: 1/28/2018 8:46:26 PM EDT

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Most of the Mallory recovery expedition believed he had summited (making him the first to summit Everest) but died on the way down.
Coming down is tough & dangerous - get tired, get sloppy, make a misstep & out cramping points into your calf, then you really have a tough time walking down!

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That's what happened to the guy in the Joe Rogan podcast. He said that he clipped-in almost as an afterthought, and then stumbled or tripped on the way down. The ropes saved him from a potentially deadly fall that day.

Posted: 1/28/2018 8:48:01 PM EDT

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How much time and money does it take to attempt the climb?

Posted: 1/28/2018 8:48:36 PM EDT

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The mountain itself isn't that hard to climb, it's that last 800ft of the Death Zone that gets you.

Posted: 1/28/2018 8:49:05 PM EDT

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Far more people die on interstate highways every year.

But 6.5% of those who drive them don't die from doing so.

Exactly, how many drive interstates verse climb Everest?

Posted: 1/28/2018 8:56:39 PM EDT

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Sandy Pittman, but complete misconception. Accomplished mountaineer who finished the Seven Summits that day and survived without any real injury. Her 3rd attempt at Everest, hardly a noob. All the clients and Sherpas in her group survived, and one of her guides died while trying to rescue the idiots from another agency that didn't turn around on time. She did have a customized stove but it was basically a fancy lightweight climbing stove, which is required equipment anyway. Some media hack turned it into a complete tea set that was hauled up by Sherpas.

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Who was the noob girl that they dragged her ass up over the top and she only eat Ramon noodles or some shit like that

Sandy Pittman, but complete misconception. Accomplished mountaineer who finished the Seven Summits that day and survived without any real injury. Her 3rd attempt at Everest, hardly a noob. All the clients and Sherpas in her group survived, and one of her guides died while trying to rescue the idiots from another agency that didn't turn around on time. She did have a customized stove but it was basically a fancy lightweight climbing stove, which is required equipment anyway. Some media hack turned it into a complete tea set that was hauled up by Sherpas.

I stand corrected on her accomplishments.. It's been several years since I read " into thin air".. I do remember the author chastising her for the noodles only diet.

Authors gotta hype to make the sale.

Posted: 1/28/2018 8:58:34 PM EDT

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Good read without a doubt,

What I didn't realize how that's been turned into a garbage can up there too...

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It kinda has to be though.

You can't exactly send clean up crews.

And losing weight is a big deal to those climbers

Posted: 1/28/2018 9:00:46 PM EDT

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That's what happened to the guy in the Joe Rogan podcast. He said that he clipped-in almost as an afterthought, and then stumbled or tripped on the way down. The ropes saved him from a potentially deadly fall that day.

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Most of the Mallory recovery expedition believed he had summited (making him the first to summit Everest) but died on the way down.
Coming down is tough & dangerous - get tired, get sloppy, make a misstep & out cramping points into your calf, then you really have a tough time walking down!

That's what happened to the guy in the Joe Rogan podcast. He said that he clipped-in almost as an afterthought, and then stumbled or tripped on the way down. The ropes saved him from a potentially deadly fall that day.

I'm proud to say my only (non altitude) descent that went poorly was a close call - crampon points ripped all the way through clothing & gaiters but just scratched the skin. That day we had summitted a 4000 footer in New Hampshire in February, while we were on the summit, a storm came in. You could put your foot in the snow, take it out & watch it till with snow almost instantly. Icicles in beard, snow all along one side. Wind howling so you couldn't shout & be heard.I

I miss it.

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