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Dems/ FBI/ Obama DOJ paid Fusion GPS for the obvious misinformation to spread about Trump. Fusion GPS hired Steele who used his Russian contacts he'd collected over the years, working the Russian desk for MI6, to build a bullshit narrative that 'the Russians' provided at his request (and therefore his GPS/ Clinton Foundation/ FBI/ Obama DOJ employer) that was eventually used to get IC surveillance on Trump's associates. They even set up a meeting for 'oppo research' to bait DT Jr to meet with a special occasion Fusion GPS employee Russian lawyer who was allowed to come into the country by Lynch's DOJ on a very rare waiver to pull a bait and switch. It's rather obvious at this point on who was 'colluding' with the Russians and who was using trickery to set up an excuse for illegal surveillance on Trump, et al. View Quote Go watch some more Hannity for your marching orders.Go get rehydrated by drinking more Kool Aid and try again. |
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That's a valid point. It's not like he was forced to hire them like Dem voters were forced to take an under investigation Hillary instead of Bernie Sanders. I will note that it's HIGHLY unlikely that Trump knew about the FISA warrants, as is being implied. Remember, we know the FBI typically only leaks things that are politically advantageous for one particular party. View Quote Your point about Hillary is spot on. We have Trump, an outsider who hires GOP flunkies who are shady and then we have Hillary, whose entire organization is shady and she's under a few investigations including the email server. One has to hire DC/global scum to get into Washington politics and the other is DC/global scum. Tells you quite a bit about the system in general. |
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I wish this was open-door hearing. The CSPAN video would have been hilarious... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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keeping up the credibility help me out rocket scientists what part of any of his testimony incriminated anyone on anything |
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https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2017-11-06/trump-jr-said-anti-russia-law-may-be-reviewed-moscow-lawyer-says "A Russian lawyer who met with President Donald Trump’s oldest son last year says he indicated that a law targeting Russia could be re-examined if his father won the election and asked her for written evidence that illegal proceeds went to Hillary Clinton’s campaign. The lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, said in a two-and-a-half-hour interview in Moscow that she would tell these and other things to the Senate Judiciary Committee on condition that her answers be made public, something it hasn’t agreed to. She has received scores of questions from the committee, which is investigating possible collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign. Veselnitskaya said she’s also ready -- if asked -- to testify to Special Counsel Robert Mueller." View Quote |
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So again, when Democrats pay Russians outright for opposition research, it's fine. If Russians throw themselves at Trump crying they have opposition research info, it's somehow crooked and signs of obvious collusion? That's what you guys are going with? View Quote Giggerbish... lol |
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I have to come to the conclusion the NiT cucks are truly off their rockers.
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Why did you leave out the part about Republican involvement with Fusion GPS?Oh I forgot-it doesn't fit your misinformation. Go watch some more Hannity for your marching orders.Go get rehydrated by drinking more Kool Aid and try again. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Dems/ FBI/ Obama DOJ paid Fusion GPS for the obvious misinformation to spread about Trump. Fusion GPS hired Steele who used his Russian contacts he'd collected over the years, working the Russian desk for MI6, to build a bullshit narrative that 'the Russians' provided at his request (and therefore his GPS/ Clinton Foundation/ FBI/ Obama DOJ employer) that was eventually used to get IC surveillance on Trump's associates. They even set up a meeting for 'oppo research' to bait DT Jr to meet with a special occasion Fusion GPS employee Russian lawyer who was allowed to come into the country by Lynch's DOJ on a very rare waiver to pull a bait and switch. It's rather obvious at this point on who was 'colluding' with the Russians and who was using trickery to set up an excuse for illegal surveillance on Trump, et al. Go watch some more Hannity for your marching orders.Go get rehydrated by drinking more Kool Aid and try again. Billy Kristol is a huge RINO who told everyone on the Republican side to consider voting for Hillary. They handed it off to the DNC/ Hillary campaign when it became obvious Trump had a good chance of winning the nomination. So the presumption is that it was to undermine him as a candidate, but when it looked good for Trump, they jumped out so they wouldn't look like such assholes for going against a party nominee for POTUS. Then John McCain... Satisfied? Question answered? |
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Fusion GPS co-owner met with Fusion GPS special occasion employee Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya before and after Trump Tower sit-down with DT Jr
The co-founder of Fusion GPS, the firm behind the unverified Trump dossier, met with a Russian lawyer before and after a key meeting she had last year with Trump’s son, Fox News has learned. Congressional Republicans have since questioned whether that politically financed research contributed to the FBI’s investigation of Russian collusion with the Trump campaign – making Fusion’s 2016 contacts with Russian interests all the more relevant. Fox News had learned that bank records show Fusion GPS was paid by a law firm for work on behalf of a Kremlin-linked oligarch while paying a former British spy Christopher Steele to dig up dirt on Trump through his Russian contacts. Simpson’s presence with Veselnitskaya during this critical week in June -- together with revelations about Fusion’s simultaneous financial ties to the DNC, Clinton campaign and Russian interests -- raise new questions about the company’s role in the 2016 election. The DNC and Clinton campaign hired Fusion in April 2016 through lawyer Marc Elias, who was general counsel for the Clinton campaign. Fusion, in turn, paid Steele $168,000 for the dossier, memos from which were shared with the FBI in the summer of 2016. Fusion officials said last week Steele's money came from $1.02 million it received in fees and expenses from Elias' law firm Perkins Coie.?Prior to contracting with the DNC. Over the weekend, Fusion GPS sought a new restraining order after the House panel requested additional records that could reveal if Fusion was paying media companies or reporters for planting stories. View Quote |
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Not sure if I understand your post-are you saying that there will not be more indictments? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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For your health, i'm going to ask that you not hold your breath on that one. I wouldn't want your face to turn the same color as your political leanings. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/court-docket-mystery-are-other-mueller-indictments-hiding-in-plain-sight/article/2639179 In addition to uncertainty about the four sealed cases — one of which is docketed as number 200 — one spot ahead of Manafort-Gates at 201, there’s a question about why the indictment against Manafort and Gates is labeled “Indictment B”.
There are multiple theories to explain what “Indictment A” may be. The easiest explanation it had a typo or citation error that was merely corrected in Indictment B. But theoretically, it could indicate a separate indictment dealing with other matters not covered in Indictment B. |
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Yeah apparently he actually believes that there won't be. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/court-docket-mystery-are-other-mueller-indictments-hiding-in-plain-sight/article/2639179 View Quote Trump's done this time! |
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Re:the Indictment" A"issue-I would think that it is unlikely that it would be a typo or citation error.Possibly there is a second indictment that names other defendents in addition to Manafort and Gates in Indictment A ?
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Why did you leave out the part about Republican involvement with Fusion GPS?Oh I forgot-it doesn't fit your misinformation. Go watch some more Hannity for your marching orders.Go get rehydrated by drinking more Kool Aid and try again. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Dems/ FBI/ Obama DOJ paid Fusion GPS for the obvious misinformation to spread about Trump. Fusion GPS hired Steele who used his Russian contacts he'd collected over the years, working the Russian desk for MI6, to build a bullshit narrative that 'the Russians' provided at his request (and therefore his GPS/ Clinton Foundation/ FBI/ Obama DOJ employer) that was eventually used to get IC surveillance on Trump's associates. They even set up a meeting for 'oppo research' to bait DT Jr to meet with a special occasion Fusion GPS employee Russian lawyer who was allowed to come into the country by Lynch's DOJ on a very rare waiver to pull a bait and switch. It's rather obvious at this point on who was 'colluding' with the Russians and who was using trickery to set up an excuse for illegal surveillance on Trump, et al. Go watch some more Hannity for your marching orders.Go get rehydrated by drinking more Kool Aid and try again. |
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Nothing like 20 or so indictments to take the wind out of the NJ/VA election media coverage sail.
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It's painfully obvious she's trying to make her client's case in front of American lawmakers, same reason she met with Don Jr, and same reason they don't want her testimony to be made public. She'll take the stand and rant about how her client's property has been confiscated, and how the feds are now stalling the trial for years because they have no case, and how the whole thing is a political witchhunt. It won't get the Swamp any closer to undermining Trump, and will make federal investigators look even more biased and incompetent. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2017-11-06/trump-jr-said-anti-russia-law-may-be-reviewed-moscow-lawyer-says "A Russian lawyer who met with President Donald Trump’s oldest son last year says he indicated that a law targeting Russia could be re-examined if his father won the election and asked her for written evidence that illegal proceeds went to Hillary Clinton’s campaign. The lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, said in a two-and-a-half-hour interview in Moscow that she would tell these and other things to the Senate Judiciary Committee on condition that her answers be made public, something it hasn’t agreed to. She has received scores of questions from the committee, which is investigating possible collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign. Veselnitskaya said she’s also ready -- if asked -- to testify to Special Counsel Robert Mueller." 26 sealed indictments, its ludicrous to think those are going to be all republican when you look at the events of late, like Tony Podesta stepping down and rumors John Podesta is asking for immunity in exchange for cooperation. Since Spooge is such a Washington Deep State insider, maybe he can tell us who all the indictments are against and for what crimes? He knows everything, "Master of the Cyber" and all. |
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Nothing like 20 or so indictments to take the wind out of the NJ/VA election media coverage sail. https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4668319/comey-talking-two-sets-prosecutors-trump-russia-case |
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I guess we're finally going to see the swamp drained. https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4668319/comey-talking-two-sets-prosecutors-trump-russia-case View Quote Trump's done this time! |
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I guess we're finally going to see the swamp drained. https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4668319/comey-talking-two-sets-prosecutors-trump-russia-case Trump's done this time! |
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Good, this thread is back. I have missed it. This is the 2nd most entertaining thread on arfcom.
It was the first, but the Saudi Purge thread has become my favorite now. 28 indictments? BRING IT ON. If the NTs and ShareBlues think those are all Trump people, they are more delusional than I thought. I personally hope there ARE more Trump people in there, there's some GOPe fuckers, RINOs and Liberals that need to be removed from the administration. But I PROMISE you, none of this is going to damage Trump. But it will destroy the DNC. |
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Friendly reminder to those who have never even seen a PACER login screen: Federal indictments are routinely sealed between indictment and arrest. Having 12-20 in the DC District isn't unusual - especially since all criminal cases go through federal court there. So don't get your hopes up the Feds are locking up the entire Trump or Clinton clan anytime soon based strictly on the number of sealed indictments in the docket.
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Friendly reminder to those who have never even seen a PACER login screen: Federal indictments are routinely sealed between indictment and arrest. Having 12-20 in the DC District isn't unusual - especially since all criminal cases go through federal court there. So don't get your hopes up the Feds are locking up the entire Trump or Clinton clan anytime soon based strictly on the number of sealed indictments in the docket. Now back to the usual tired shill accusations / ad hominem attacks...austistic screeching and masturbatory fantasies that Trump will be impeached View Quote |
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It appears this investigation is having its desired effect in Virginia. Just continue to charge and accuse republicans of doing something wrong without evidence then go looking for a crime. Its quite amazing the republicans in congress have yet to put a stop to these baseless conspiracies of Russian Trump collusion. They are still calling up Trump campaign members asking the same damn questions over and over again.
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Because the Republican involvement was from neocon Billy Kristol who got his son-in-law at the Washington Beacon to start it up with FusionGPS, a well known dirty tricks consulting firm. A RINO who financed McMuffin to run against Trump to beat him in Utah, to throw the election, although he only qualified to be on the ballot in 28 states. Billy Kristol is a huge RINO who told everyone on the Republican side to consider voting for Hillary. They handed it off to the DNC/ Hillary campaign when it became obvious Trump had a good chance of winning the nomination. So the presumption is that it was to undermine him as a candidate, but when it looked good for Trump, they jumped out so they wouldn't look like such assholes for going against a party nominee for POTUS. Then John McCain... Satisfied? Question answered? View Quote |
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It appears this investigation is having its desired effect in Virginia. Just continue to charge and accuse republicans of doing something wrong without evidence then go looking for a crime. Its quite amazing the republicans in congress have yet to put a stop to these baseless conspiracies of Russian Trump collusion. They are still calling up Trump campaign members asking the same damn questions over and over again. Democrats and nevertrumpers cannot win on the issues and policies so they intend to win on criminal accusations. Republicans in congress are shooting themselves in the foot allowing this to continue into the midterms. View Quote I'm sure your response will be more baseless accusations and meaningless phrases. |
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The major intel agencies concur re Russian inteference in electiom.What do you know that overcomes their conclusions(with evidence,not conjecture]? I'm sure your response will be more baseless accusations and meaningless phrases. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It appears this investigation is having its desired effect in Virginia. Just continue to charge and accuse republicans of doing something wrong without evidence then go looking for a crime. Its quite amazing the republicans in congress have yet to put a stop to these baseless conspiracies of Russian Trump collusion. They are still calling up Trump campaign members asking the same damn questions over and over again. Democrats and nevertrumpers cannot win on the issues and policies so they intend to win on criminal accusations. Republicans in congress are shooting themselves in the foot allowing this to continue into the midterms. I'm sure your response will be more baseless accusations and meaningless phrases. FACEBOOK ADS!!! TWITTER BOTS!!! |
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Why did you leave out the part about Go watch some more Hannity for your marching orders.Go get rehydrated by drinking more Kool Aid and try again. View Quote |
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The major intel agencies concur re Russian inteference in electiom.What do you know that overcomes their conclusions(with evidence,not conjecture]? I'm sure your response will be more baseless accusations and meaningless phrases. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It appears this investigation is having its desired effect in Virginia. Just continue to charge and accuse republicans of doing something wrong without evidence then go looking for a crime. Its quite amazing the republicans in congress have yet to put a stop to these baseless conspiracies of Russian Trump collusion. They are still calling up Trump campaign members asking the same damn questions over and over again. Democrats and nevertrumpers cannot win on the issues and policies so they intend to win on criminal accusations. Republicans in congress are shooting themselves in the foot allowing this to continue into the midterms. I'm sure your response will be more baseless accusations and meaningless phrases. Until such time as there is enough publicly released evidence, there is going to be speculation. |
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Your response is more inclusive and accurate this time.Good. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Because the Republican involvement was from neocon Billy Kristol who got his son-in-law at the Washington Beacon to start it up with FusionGPS, a well known dirty tricks consulting firm. A RINO who financed McMuffin to run against Trump to beat him in Utah, to throw the election, although he only qualified to be on the ballot in 28 states. Billy Kristol is a huge RINO who told everyone on the Republican side to consider voting for Hillary. They handed it off to the DNC/ Hillary campaign when it became obvious Trump had a good chance of winning the nomination. So the presumption is that it was to undermine him as a candidate, but when it looked good for Trump, they jumped out so they wouldn't look like such assholes for going against a party nominee for POTUS. Then John McCain... Satisfied? Question answered? |
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The major intel agencies concur re Russian inteference in electiom.What do you know that overcomes their conclusions(with evidence,not conjecture]? I'm sure your response will be more baseless accusations and meaningless phrases. View Quote Since the intelligence agencies have not provided any evidence behind their assessments, you are asking for refutation by evidence of an assertion which has no evidence to examine or refute. An intelligence agency assertion that Russia interfered in the election without releasing the information that lead to that assertion may constitute reasonable suspicion that it happened - it certainly does not constitute evidence to that effect, however. Intel agencies typically don't release their "evidence," because a) any actual evidence is typically obtained by means that they don't want known, since that would jeopardize their ability to do so in the future, and possibly jeopardize whoever obtained that evidence; and b) because the "evidence" is often simply layers of interpretation of very ambiguous and contradictory data, for which there is no reliable way of determining which is accurate. Additionally, the report stated that "When it appeared to Moscow that Secretary Clinton was likely to win the election, the Russian influence campaign began to focus more on undermining her future presidency." Unless you believe that Russia thought Trump was likely to win the election at any point prior to 9 p.m. or so on election night (which would have put them at odds with pretty much everyone else on the planet who was paid to consider such things), then Russia's information campaign was pretty much entirely about wreaking havoc with the future US administration. Given that the "dossier" which led to the entire Mueller investigation is allegedly sourced from Russian government officials (and was circulated prior to the election, even if it didn't make the news until later), I don't see how you can say they didn't act to undermine *both* candidates. Mike |
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This is an impossible argument, in that, if there was no interference, there is no single piece (or even collection) of evidence which could definitively show lack of inteference, given the concept that "lack of evidence is not evidence of absence." Russia's government isn't transparent and doesn't even pretend to be, so you will never be able to produce enough comprehensive insight into it to show that it could not have carried out such interference. Since the intelligence agencies have not provided any evidence behind their assessments, you are asking for refutation by evidence of an assertion which has no evidence to examine or refute. An intelligence agency assertion that Russia interfered in the election without releasing the information that lead to that assertion may constitute reasonable suspicion that it happened - it certainly does not constitute evidence to that effect, however. Intel agencies typically don't release their "evidence," because a) any actual evidence is typically obtained by means that they don't want known, since that would jeopardize their ability to do so in the future, and possibly jeopardize whoever obtained that evidence; and b) because the "evidence" is often simply layers of interpretation of very ambiguous and contradictory data, for which there is no reliable way of determining which is accurate. Additionally, the report stated that "When it appeared to Moscow that Secretary Clinton was likely to win the election, the Russian influence campaign began to focus more on undermining her future presidency." Unless you believe that Russia thought Trump was likely to win the election at any point prior to 9 p.m. or so on election night (which would have put them at odds with pretty much everyone else on the planet who was paid to consider such things), then Russia's information campaign was pretty much entirely about wreaking havoc with the future US administration. Given that the "dossier" which led to the entire Mueller investigation is allegedly sourced from Russian government officials (and was circulated prior to the election, even if it didn't make the news until later), I don't see how you can say they didn't act to undermine *both* candidates. Mike View Quote |
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If James Clapper sez it is so, it must be true. He has a sterling reputation for veracity. And everyone knows that John Brennan and James Comey are nobody's lackeys! The current spokespersons for the respective agencies share this view.Others who were previously agency heads,concur.That really carries more weight than a lay person with a biased agenda. Promise! View Quote |
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If James Clapper sez it is so, it must be true. He has a sterling reputation for veracity. And everyone knows that John Brennan and James Comey are nobody's lackeys! Promise! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The major intel agencies concur re Russian inteference in electiom. He has a sterling reputation for veracity. And everyone knows that John Brennan and James Comey are nobody's lackeys! Promise! |
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Mike-It is as you say an impossible argument to contradict or overcome with evidence for reasons you mentioned.I would hope you would agree that the agencies do have a basis for their opinions and positions. View Quote Is it because they didn't even try to get the DNC server and trust a third parties analysis? |
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Fusion GPS co-owner met with Fusion GPS special occasion employee Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya before and after Trump Tower sit-down with DT Jr The co-founder of Fusion GPS, the firm behind the unverified Trump dossier, met with a Russian lawyer before and after a key meeting she had last year with Trump’s son, Fox News has learned. Congressional Republicans have since questioned whether that politically financed research contributed to the FBI’s investigation of Russian collusion with the Trump campaign – making Fusion’s 2016 contacts with Russian interests all the more relevant. Fox News had learned that bank records show Fusion GPS was paid by a law firm for work on behalf of a Kremlin-linked oligarch while paying a former British spy Christopher Steele to dig up dirt on Trump through his Russian contacts. Simpson’s presence with Veselnitskaya during this critical week in June -- together with revelations about Fusion’s simultaneous financial ties to the DNC, Clinton campaign and Russian interests -- raise new questions about the company’s role in the 2016 election. The DNC and Clinton campaign hired Fusion in April 2016 through lawyer Marc Elias, who was general counsel for the Clinton campaign. Fusion, in turn, paid Steele $168,000 for the dossier, memos from which were shared with the FBI in the summer of 2016. Fusion officials said last week Steele's money came from $1.02 million it received in fees and expenses from Elias' law firm Perkins Coie.?Prior to contracting with the DNC. Over the weekend, Fusion GPS sought a new restraining order after the House panel requested additional records that could reveal if Fusion was paying media companies or reporters for planting stories. |
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The major intel agencies concur re Russian inteference in electiom.What do you know that overcomes their conclusions(with evidence,not conjecture]? I'm sure your response will be more baseless accusations and meaningless phrases. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It appears this investigation is having its desired effect in Virginia. Just continue to charge and accuse republicans of doing something wrong without evidence then go looking for a crime. Its quite amazing the republicans in congress have yet to put a stop to these baseless conspiracies of Russian Trump collusion. They are still calling up Trump campaign members asking the same damn questions over and over again. Democrats and nevertrumpers cannot win on the issues and policies so they intend to win on criminal accusations. Republicans in congress are shooting themselves in the foot allowing this to continue into the midterms. I'm sure your response will be more baseless accusations and meaningless phrases. So the major intel agencies have evidence of Russian interference and so do I. The Clinton-Fusion GPS-Steele-dossier is clearly interference from russians. |
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