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Link Posted: 11/7/2017 11:49:35 AM EST
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He surrounds himself with our best and brightest.

Link Posted: 11/7/2017 11:52:59 AM EST
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Drumpf's done this time !!!


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I wish this was open-door hearing.  The CSPAN video would have been hilarious...
Link Posted: 11/7/2017 11:58:59 AM EST
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Trump's done this time!

Link Posted: 11/7/2017 12:13:54 PM EST
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Dems/ FBI/ Obama DOJ paid Fusion GPS for the obvious misinformation to spread about Trump. Fusion GPS hired Steele who used his Russian contacts he'd collected over the years, working the Russian desk for MI6, to build a bullshit narrative that 'the Russians' provided at his request (and therefore his GPS/ Clinton Foundation/ FBI/ Obama DOJ employer) that was eventually used to get IC surveillance on Trump's associates. They even set up a meeting for 'oppo research' to bait DT Jr to meet with a special occasion  Fusion GPS employee Russian lawyer who was allowed to come into the country by Lynch's DOJ on a very rare waiver to pull a bait and switch. It's rather obvious at this point on who was 'colluding' with the Russians and who was using trickery to set up an excuse for illegal surveillance on Trump, et al.
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Why did you leave out the part about Republican involvement with Fusion GPS?Oh I forgot-it doesn't fit your misinformation.

Go watch some more Hannity for your marching orders.Go get rehydrated by drinking more Kool Aid and try again.
Link Posted: 11/7/2017 12:14:41 PM EST
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Link Posted: 11/7/2017 12:52:53 PM EST
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That's a valid point.

It's not like he was forced to hire them like Dem voters were forced to take an under investigation Hillary instead of Bernie Sanders.

I will note that it's HIGHLY unlikely that Trump knew about the FISA warrants, as is being implied.  Remember, we know the FBI typically only leaks things that are politically advantageous for one particular party.
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That's why this entire thing is so crazy and hilarious.  Manafort was a GOP campaign manager and had some successes here in the US and overseas.  Whatever his reputation was at the time I'm sure Trump hired him (and we know it wasn't for long) to simply get things moving.  That said, how in the hell would Trump know about the FBI surveillance?  Legally speaking and as I've been told many, many, many times on this forum speaking about FISA warrants publicly is bad ju-ju unless you have the proper clearances and of course are a need to know person.  

Your point about Hillary is spot on. We have Trump, an outsider who hires GOP flunkies who are shady and then we have Hillary, whose entire organization is shady and she's under a few investigations including the email server.  One has to hire DC/global scum to get into Washington politics and the other is DC/global scum.  Tells you quite a bit about the system in general.  
Link Posted: 11/7/2017 12:53:53 PM EST
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make fun of a statement from 243 pages of testimony with absolutely no context of what the discussion was about 
keeping up the credibility

help me out rocket scientists what part of any of his testimony incriminated anyone on anything 
Link Posted: 11/7/2017 1:08:50 PM EST
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"A Russian lawyer who met with President Donald Trump’s oldest son last year says he indicated that a law targeting Russia could be re-examined if his father won the election and asked her for written evidence that illegal proceeds went to Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

The lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, said in a two-and-a-half-hour interview in Moscow that she would tell these and other things to the Senate Judiciary Committee on condition that her answers be made public, something it hasn’t agreed to. She has received scores of questions from the committee, which is investigating possible collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign. Veselnitskaya said she’s also ready -- if asked -- to testify to Special Counsel Robert Mueller."
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It's painfully obvious she's trying to make her client's case in front of American lawmakers, same reason she met with Don Jr, and same reason they don't want her testimony to be made public. She'll take the stand and rant about how her client's property has been confiscated, and how the feds are now stalling the trial for years because they have no case, and how the whole thing is a political witchhunt. It won't get the Swamp any closer to undermining Trump, and will make federal investigators look even more biased and incompetent.
Link Posted: 11/7/2017 2:02:50 PM EST
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So again, when Democrats pay Russians outright for opposition research, it's fine. If Russians throw themselves at Trump crying they have opposition research info, it's somehow crooked and signs of obvious collusion?

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Crickets...

Giggerbish...

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Link Posted: 11/7/2017 2:04:13 PM EST
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For your health, i'm going to ask that you not hold your breath on that one.  I wouldn't want your face to turn the same color as your political leanings.
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BOOM!
Link Posted: 11/7/2017 2:07:45 PM EST
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I have to come to the conclusion the NiT cucks are truly off their rockers.

And actually ENJOY being constantly beat up...

Link Posted: 11/7/2017 6:06:56 PM EST
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For your health, i'm going to ask that you not hold your breath on that one.  I wouldn't want your face to turn the same color as your political leanings.
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Not sure if I understand your post-are you saying that there will not be more indictments?
Link Posted: 11/7/2017 6:21:15 PM EST
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Why did you leave out the part about Republican involvement with Fusion GPS?Oh I forgot-it doesn't fit your misinformation.

Go watch some more Hannity for your marching orders.Go get rehydrated by drinking more Kool Aid and try again.
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Dems/ FBI/ Obama DOJ paid Fusion GPS for the obvious misinformation to spread about Trump. Fusion GPS hired Steele who used his Russian contacts he'd collected over the years, working the Russian desk for MI6, to build a bullshit narrative that 'the Russians' provided at his request (and therefore his GPS/ Clinton Foundation/ FBI/ Obama DOJ employer) that was eventually used to get IC surveillance on Trump's associates. They even set up a meeting for 'oppo research' to bait DT Jr to meet with a special occasion  Fusion GPS employee Russian lawyer who was allowed to come into the country by Lynch's DOJ on a very rare waiver to pull a bait and switch. It's rather obvious at this point on who was 'colluding' with the Russians and who was using trickery to set up an excuse for illegal surveillance on Trump, et al.
Why did you leave out the part about Republican involvement with Fusion GPS?Oh I forgot-it doesn't fit your misinformation.

Go watch some more Hannity for your marching orders.Go get rehydrated by drinking more Kool Aid and try again.
Because the Republican involvement was from neocon Billy Kristol who got his son-in-law at the Washington Beacon to start it up with FusionGPS, a well known dirty tricks consulting firm. A RINO who financed McMuffin to run against Trump to beat him in Utah, to throw the election,  although he only qualified to be on the ballot in 28 states.

Billy Kristol is a huge RINO who told everyone on the Republican side to consider voting for Hillary. They handed it off to the DNC/ Hillary campaign when it became obvious Trump had a good chance of winning the nomination. So the presumption is that it was to undermine him as a candidate, but when it looked good for Trump, they jumped out so they wouldn't look like such assholes for going against a party nominee for POTUS. Then John McCain...

Satisfied? Question answered?
Link Posted: 11/7/2017 6:28:53 PM EST
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Fusion GPS co-owner met with Fusion GPS special occasion employee Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya before and after Trump Tower sit-down with DT Jr



The co-founder of Fusion GPS, the firm behind the unverified Trump dossier, met with a Russian lawyer before and after a key meeting she had last year with Trump’s son, Fox News has learned.

Congressional Republicans have since questioned whether that politically financed research contributed to the FBI’s investigation of Russian collusion with the Trump campaign – making Fusion’s 2016 contacts with Russian interests all the more relevant.

Fox News had learned that bank records show Fusion GPS was paid by a law firm for work on behalf of a Kremlin-linked oligarch while paying a former British spy Christopher Steele to dig up dirt on Trump through his Russian contacts.

Simpson’s presence with Veselnitskaya during this critical week in June -- together with revelations about Fusion’s simultaneous financial ties to the DNC, Clinton campaign and Russian interests -- raise new questions about the company’s role in the 2016 election.

The DNC and Clinton campaign hired Fusion in April 2016 through lawyer Marc Elias, who was general counsel for the Clinton campaign. Fusion, in turn, paid Steele $168,000 for the dossier, memos from which were shared with the FBI in the summer of 2016.

Fusion officials said last week Steele's money came from $1.02 million it received in fees and expenses from Elias' law firm Perkins Coie.?Prior to contracting with the DNC.

Over the weekend, Fusion GPS sought a new restraining order after the House panel requested additional records that could reveal if Fusion was paying media companies or reporters for planting stories.
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Link Posted: 11/7/2017 7:13:06 PM EST
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WOW!

The Dems are going to be DESTROYED!!!!
Link Posted: 11/7/2017 7:53:59 PM EST
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For your health, i'm going to ask that you not hold your breath on that one.  I wouldn't want your face to turn the same color as your political leanings.
Not sure if I understand your post-are you saying that there will not be more indictments?
Yeah apparently he actually believes that there won't be.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/court-docket-mystery-are-other-mueller-indictments-hiding-in-plain-sight/article/2639179

In addition to uncertainty about the four sealed cases — one of which is docketed as number 200 — one spot ahead of Manafort-Gates at 201, there’s a question about why the indictment against Manafort and Gates is labeled “Indictment B”.

There are multiple theories to explain what “Indictment A” may be. The easiest explanation it had a typo or citation error that was merely corrected in Indictment B. But theoretically, it could indicate a separate indictment dealing with other matters not covered in Indictment B.
Link Posted: 11/7/2017 8:56:43 PM EST
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Trump's done this time!

Link Posted: 11/7/2017 10:46:39 PM EST
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28 sealed indictments now...
Link Posted: 11/7/2017 10:48:42 PM EST
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The Teflon Don.  So much shit has been thrown and nothing can stick.
Link Posted: 11/7/2017 10:51:05 PM EST
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Re:the Indictment" A"issue-I would think that it is unlikely that it would be a typo or citation error.Possibly there is a second indictment that names other defendents in addition to Manafort and Gates in Indictment A ?

For whatever reason,perhaps they did not want to go public with the other indictment at this time.
Link Posted: 11/7/2017 10:53:32 PM EST
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Why did you leave out the part about Republican involvement with Fusion GPS?Oh I forgot-it doesn't fit your misinformation.

Go watch some more Hannity for your marching orders.Go get rehydrated by drinking more Kool Aid and try again.
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Dems/ FBI/ Obama DOJ paid Fusion GPS for the obvious misinformation to spread about Trump. Fusion GPS hired Steele who used his Russian contacts he'd collected over the years, working the Russian desk for MI6, to build a bullshit narrative that 'the Russians' provided at his request (and therefore his GPS/ Clinton Foundation/ FBI/ Obama DOJ employer) that was eventually used to get IC surveillance on Trump's associates. They even set up a meeting for 'oppo research' to bait DT Jr to meet with a special occasion  Fusion GPS employee Russian lawyer who was allowed to come into the country by Lynch's DOJ on a very rare waiver to pull a bait and switch. It's rather obvious at this point on who was 'colluding' with the Russians and who was using trickery to set up an excuse for illegal surveillance on Trump, et al.
Why did you leave out the part about Republican involvement with Fusion GPS?Oh I forgot-it doesn't fit your misinformation.

Go watch some more Hannity for your marching orders.Go get rehydrated by drinking more Kool Aid and try again.
Maybe because he's not a misinformed retard? If you knew anything about the subject you're debating, you'd know that the Republican backing stopped when Trump clinched the nomination, up until that time it was run of the mill oppo research, everything that happened after that, like Steele and the adding of the "hooker/piss" stuff was funded by Obama, Hillary and the DNC.
Link Posted: 11/7/2017 10:59:11 PM EST
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Nothing like 20 or so indictments to take the wind out of the NJ/VA election media coverage sail.
Link Posted: 11/7/2017 11:02:41 PM EST
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It's painfully obvious she's trying to make her client's case in front of American lawmakers, same reason she met with Don Jr, and same reason they don't want her testimony to be made public. She'll take the stand and rant about how her client's property has been confiscated, and how the feds are now stalling the trial for years because they have no case, and how the whole thing is a political witchhunt. It won't get the Swamp any closer to undermining Trump, and will make federal investigators look even more biased and incompetent.
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"A Russian lawyer who met with President Donald Trump’s oldest son last year says he indicated that a law targeting Russia could be re-examined if his father won the election and asked her for written evidence that illegal proceeds went to Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

The lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, said in a two-and-a-half-hour interview in Moscow that she would tell these and other things to the Senate Judiciary Committee on condition that her answers be made public, something it hasn’t agreed to. She has received scores of questions from the committee, which is investigating possible collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign. Veselnitskaya said she’s also ready -- if asked -- to testify to Special Counsel Robert Mueller."
It's painfully obvious she's trying to make her client's case in front of American lawmakers, same reason she met with Don Jr, and same reason they don't want her testimony to be made public. She'll take the stand and rant about how her client's property has been confiscated, and how the feds are now stalling the trial for years because they have no case, and how the whole thing is a political witchhunt. It won't get the Swamp any closer to undermining Trump, and will make federal investigators look even more biased and incompetent.
The only people who can't see that are bootlicking party loyalists who want to turn the tide of suspicion, which is shifting away from Trump now and is beginning to sweep up Dim party power players.

26 sealed indictments, its ludicrous to think those are going to be all republican when you look at the events of late, like Tony Podesta stepping down and rumors John Podesta is asking for immunity in exchange for cooperation.

Since Spooge is such a Washington Deep State insider, maybe he can tell us who all the indictments are against and for what crimes? He knows everything, "Master of the Cyber" and all.
Link Posted: 11/7/2017 11:15:03 PM EST
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Wait you guys are looking forward to the indictments now?
Link Posted: 11/7/2017 11:17:11 PM EST
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Nothing like 20 or so indictments to take the wind out of the NJ/VA election media coverage sail.
Wait you guys are looking forward to the indictments now?
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Nothing like 20 or so indictments to take the wind out of the NJ/VA election media coverage sail.
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Nothing like 20 or so indictments to take the wind out of the NJ/VA election media coverage sail.
Wait you guys are looking forward to the indictments now?
More so than you should be.
Link Posted: 11/8/2017 7:12:31 AM EST
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More so than you should be.
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Nothing like 20 or so indictments to take the wind out of the NJ/VA election media coverage sail.
Wait you guys are looking forward to the indictments now?
More so than you should be.
I guess we're finally going to see the swamp drained.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4668319/comey-talking-two-sets-prosecutors-trump-russia-case
Link Posted: 11/8/2017 8:00:57 AM EST
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I guess we're finally going to see the swamp drained.

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Trump's done this time!

Link Posted: 11/8/2017 8:04:26 AM EST
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I guess we're finally going to see the swamp drained.

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Trump's done this time!

I'm sure one of those indictments is going to lock her up.
Link Posted: 11/8/2017 8:15:56 AM EST
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Good, this thread is back. I have missed it. This is the 2nd most entertaining thread on arfcom. 

It was the first, but the Saudi Purge thread has become my favorite now.

28 indictments? BRING IT ON. If the NTs and ShareBlues think those are all Trump people, they are more delusional than I thought. 

I personally hope there ARE more Trump people in there, there's some GOPe fuckers, RINOs and Liberals that need to be removed from the administration. 

But I PROMISE you, none of this is going to damage Trump. But it will destroy the DNC. 
Link Posted: 11/8/2017 9:01:47 AM EST
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Friendly reminder to those who have never even seen a PACER login screen:  Federal indictments are routinely sealed between indictment and arrest.  Having 12-20 in the DC District isn't unusual - especially since all criminal cases go through federal court there.  So don't get your hopes up the Feds are locking up the entire Trump or Clinton clan anytime soon based strictly on the number of sealed indictments in the docket.

Now back to the usual tired shill accusations / ad hominem attacks...
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Friendly reminder to those who have never even seen a PACER login screen:  Federal indictments are routinely sealed between indictment and arrest.  Having 12-20 in the DC District isn't unusual - especially since all criminal cases go through federal court there.  So don't get your hopes up the Feds are locking up the entire Trump or Clinton clan anytime soon based strictly on the number of sealed indictments in the docket.

Now back to the usual tired shill accusations / ad hominem attacks...austistic screeching and masturbatory fantasies that Trump will be impeached
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Link Posted: 11/8/2017 9:16:34 AM EST
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It appears this investigation is having its desired effect in Virginia. Just continue to charge and accuse republicans of doing something wrong without evidence then go looking for a crime. Its quite amazing the republicans in congress have yet to put a stop to these baseless conspiracies of Russian Trump collusion. They are still calling up Trump campaign members asking the same damn questions over and over again.

Democrats and nevertrumpers cannot win on the issues and policies so they intend to win on criminal accusations. Republicans in congress are shooting themselves in the foot allowing this to continue into the midterms.
Link Posted: 11/8/2017 9:28:56 AM EST
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Because the Republican involvement was from neocon Billy Kristol who got his son-in-law at the Washington Beacon to start it up with FusionGPS, a well known dirty tricks consulting firm. A RINO who financed McMuffin to run against Trump to beat him in Utah, to throw the election,  although he only qualified to be on the ballot in 28 states.

Billy Kristol is a huge RINO who told everyone on the Republican side to consider voting for Hillary. They handed it off to the DNC/ Hillary campaign when it became obvious Trump had a good chance of winning the nomination. So the presumption is that it was to undermine him as a candidate, but when it looked good for Trump, they jumped out so they wouldn't look like such assholes for going against a party nominee for POTUS. Then John McCain...

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Your response is more inclusive and accurate this time.Good.
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It appears this investigation is having its desired effect in Virginia. Just continue to charge and accuse republicans of doing something wrong without evidence then go looking for a crime. Its quite amazing the republicans in congress have yet to put a stop to these baseless conspiracies of Russian Trump collusion. They are still calling up Trump campaign members asking the same damn questions over and over again.

Democrats and nevertrumpers cannot win on the issues and policies so they intend to win on criminal accusations. Republicans in congress are shooting themselves in the foot allowing this to continue into the midterms.
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The major intel agencies concur re Russian inteference in electiom.What do you know that overcomes their conclusions(with evidence,not conjecture]?

I'm sure your response will be more baseless accusations and meaningless phrases.
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It appears this investigation is having its desired effect in Virginia. Just continue to charge and accuse republicans of doing something wrong without evidence then go looking for a crime. Its quite amazing the republicans in congress have yet to put a stop to these baseless conspiracies of Russian Trump collusion. They are still calling up Trump campaign members asking the same damn questions over and over again.

Democrats and nevertrumpers cannot win on the issues and policies so they intend to win on criminal accusations. Republicans in congress are shooting themselves in the foot allowing this to continue into the midterms.
The major intel agencies concur re Russian inteference in electiom.What do you know that overcomes their conclusions(with evidence,not conjecture]?

I'm sure your response will be more baseless accusations and meaningless phrases.
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Why did you leave out the part about Republican  #NeverTrumper GOPe retard involvement with Fusion GPS?Oh I forgot-it doesn't fit your misinformation.

Go watch some more Hannity for your marching orders.Go get rehydrated by drinking more Kool Aid and try again.
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Fixed it for you there, Slic
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It appears this investigation is having its desired effect in Virginia. Just continue to charge and accuse republicans of doing something wrong without evidence then go looking for a crime. Its quite amazing the republicans in congress have yet to put a stop to these baseless conspiracies of Russian Trump collusion. They are still calling up Trump campaign members asking the same damn questions over and over again.

Democrats and nevertrumpers cannot win on the issues and policies so they intend to win on criminal accusations. Republicans in congress are shooting themselves in the foot allowing this to continue into the midterms.
The major intel agencies concur re Russian inteference in electiom.What do you know that overcomes their conclusions(with evidence,not conjecture]?

I'm sure your response will be more baseless accusations and meaningless phrases.
You're using a straight appeal to authority here and an ad hominem. I'd argue he has room to conjecture and conclude, no different then you have the last several months, or others for that matter.

Until such time as there is enough publicly released evidence, there is going to be speculation.
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Because the Republican involvement was from neocon Billy Kristol who got his son-in-law at the Washington Beacon to start it up with FusionGPS, a well known dirty tricks consulting firm. A RINO who financed McMuffin to run against Trump to beat him in Utah, to throw the election,  although he only qualified to be on the ballot in 28 states.

Billy Kristol is a huge RINO who told everyone on the Republican side to consider voting for Hillary. They handed it off to the DNC/ Hillary campaign when it became obvious Trump had a good chance of winning the nomination. So the presumption is that it was to undermine him as a candidate, but when it looked good for Trump, they jumped out so they wouldn't look like such assholes for going against a party nominee for POTUS. Then John McCain...

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Your response is more inclusive and accurate this time.Good.
it's been out there for a while. if you paid attention. Or stop trying to deflect from the obvious collusion of the Dems/ Obama DOJ/ Hillary Campaign with Fusion/ Russia/ Steele for obvious culpability in running this thing to undermine Trump. Eventually, this Trump Russia gas lighting op is gonna end.
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If James Clapper sez it is so, it must be true.
He has a sterling reputation for veracity.

And everyone knows that John Brennan and James Comey are nobody's lackeys!

Promise!
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This is an impossible argument, in that, if there was no interference, there is no single piece (or even collection) of evidence which could definitively show lack of inteference, given the concept that "lack of evidence is not evidence of absence."  Russia's government isn't transparent and doesn't even pretend to be, so you will never be able to produce enough comprehensive insight into it to show that it could not have carried out such interference.  

Since the intelligence agencies have not provided any evidence behind their assessments, you are asking for refutation by evidence of an assertion which has no evidence to examine or refute.  An intelligence agency assertion that Russia interfered in the election without releasing the information that lead to that assertion may constitute reasonable suspicion that it happened - it certainly does not constitute evidence to that effect, however.

Intel agencies typically don't release their "evidence," because a) any actual evidence is typically obtained by means that they don't want known, since that would jeopardize their ability to do so in the future, and possibly jeopardize whoever obtained that evidence; and b) because the "evidence" is often simply layers
of interpretation of very ambiguous and contradictory data, for which there is no reliable way of determining which is accurate.

Additionally, the report stated that "When it appeared to Moscow that Secretary Clinton was likely to win the election, the Russian influence campaign began to focus more on undermining her future presidency."  Unless you believe that Russia thought Trump was likely to win the election at any point prior to 9 p.m. or so on election night (which would have put them at odds with pretty much everyone else on the planet who was paid to consider such things), then Russia's information campaign was pretty much entirely about wreaking havoc with the future US administration.  Given that the "dossier" which led to the entire Mueller investigation is allegedly sourced from Russian government officials (and was circulated prior to the election, even if it didn't make the news until later), I don't see how you can say they didn't act to undermine *both* candidates.

Mike
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The judge just issued a gag order Politico article
Link Posted: 11/8/2017 11:48:09 AM EST
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This is an impossible argument, in that, if there was no interference, there is no single piece (or even collection) of evidence which could definitively show lack of inteference, given the concept that "lack of evidence is not evidence of absence."  Russia's government isn't transparent and doesn't even pretend to be, so you will never be able to produce enough comprehensive insight into it to show that it could not have carried out such interference.  

Since the intelligence agencies have not provided any evidence behind their assessments, you are asking for refutation by evidence of an assertion which has no evidence to examine or refute.  An intelligence agency assertion that Russia interfered in the election without releasing the information that lead to that assertion may constitute reasonable suspicion that it happened - it certainly does not constitute evidence to that effect, however.

Intel agencies typically don't release their "evidence," because a) any actual evidence is typically obtained by means that they don't want known, since that would jeopardize their ability to do so in the future, and possibly jeopardize whoever obtained that evidence; and b) because the "evidence" is often simply layers
of interpretation of very ambiguous and contradictory data, for which there is no reliable way of determining which is accurate.

Additionally, the report stated that "When it appeared to Moscow that Secretary Clinton was likely to win the election, the Russian influence campaign began to focus more on undermining her future presidency."  Unless you believe that Russia thought Trump was likely to win the election at any point prior to 9 p.m. or so on election night (which would have put them at odds with pretty much everyone else on the planet who was paid to consider such things), then Russia's information campaign was pretty much entirely about wreaking havoc with the future US administration.  Given that the "dossier" which led to the entire Mueller investigation is allegedly sourced from Russian government officials (and was circulated prior to the election, even if it didn't make the news until later), I don't see how you can say they didn't act to undermine *both* candidates.

Mike
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Mike-It is as you say an impossible argument to contradict or overcome with evidence for reasons you mentioned.I would hope you would agree that the agencies  do have  a basis for their opinions and positions.
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If James Clapper sez it is so, it must be true.
He has a sterling reputation for veracity.

And everyone knows that John Brennan and James Comey are nobody's lackeys!

The current spokespersons for the respective agencies share this view.Others who were previously agency heads,concur.That really carries more weight than

a lay person with a biased agenda.
Promise!
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If James Clapper sez it is so, it must be true.
He has a sterling reputation for veracity.

And everyone knows that John Brennan and James Comey are nobody's lackeys!

Promise!
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The major intel agencies concur re Russian inteference in electiom.
If James Clapper sez it is so, it must be true.
He has a sterling reputation for veracity.

And everyone knows that John Brennan and James Comey are nobody's lackeys!

Promise!
Ouch!!!

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Mike-It is as you say an impossible argument to contradict or overcome with evidence for reasons you mentioned.I would hope you would agree that the agencies  do have  a basis for their opinions and positions.
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Considering the leaks during the start of the Trump administration, why,  pray tell,  would one trust their assessment?

Is it because they didn't even try to get the DNC server and trust a third parties analysis?
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Fusion GPS co-owner met with Fusion GPS special occasion employee Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya before and after Trump Tower sit-down with DT Jr



The co-founder of Fusion GPS, the firm behind the unverified Trump dossier, met with a Russian lawyer before and after a key meeting she had last year with Trump’s son, Fox News has learned.

Congressional Republicans have since questioned whether that politically financed research contributed to the FBI’s investigation of Russian collusion with the Trump campaign – making Fusion’s 2016 contacts with Russian interests all the more relevant.

Fox News had learned that bank records show Fusion GPS was paid by a law firm for work on behalf of a Kremlin-linked oligarch while paying a former British spy Christopher Steele to dig up dirt on Trump through his Russian contacts.

Simpson’s presence with Veselnitskaya during this critical week in June -- together with revelations about Fusion’s simultaneous financial ties to the DNC, Clinton campaign and Russian interests -- raise new questions about the company’s role in the 2016 election.

The DNC and Clinton campaign hired Fusion in April 2016 through lawyer Marc Elias, who was general counsel for the Clinton campaign. Fusion, in turn, paid Steele $168,000 for the dossier, memos from which were shared with the FBI in the summer of 2016.

Fusion officials said last week Steele's money came from $1.02 million it received in fees and expenses from Elias' law firm Perkins Coie.?Prior to contracting with the DNC.

Over the weekend, Fusion GPS sought a new restraining order after the House panel requested additional records that could reveal if Fusion was paying media companies or reporters for planting stories.
Never trumpers will ignore this.
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The major intel agencies concur re Russian inteference in electiom.What do you know that overcomes their conclusions(with evidence,not conjecture]?

I'm sure your response will be more baseless accusations and meaningless phrases.
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It appears this investigation is having its desired effect in Virginia. Just continue to charge and accuse republicans of doing something wrong without evidence then go looking for a crime. Its quite amazing the republicans in congress have yet to put a stop to these baseless conspiracies of Russian Trump collusion. They are still calling up Trump campaign members asking the same damn questions over and over again.

Democrats and nevertrumpers cannot win on the issues and policies so they intend to win on criminal accusations. Republicans in congress are shooting themselves in the foot allowing this to continue into the midterms.
The major intel agencies concur re Russian inteference in electiom.What do you know that overcomes their conclusions(with evidence,not conjecture]?

I'm sure your response will be more baseless accusations and meaningless phrases.
I know that Russia's interference has nothing to do with Trump or his campaign and all they are doing is trying to catch his campaign members and volunteers in some kind of lie. Keep in mind there is no underlying crime they have committed talking to Russians and the republicans have allowed the democrats to hang Trump politically with this BS collusion when they should be  shutting this collusion conspiracy down with a hammer if they are a party that cares about the country's future and the president's ability to do his job without distraction.

So the major intel agencies have evidence of Russian interference and so do I. The Clinton-Fusion GPS-Steele-dossier is clearly interference from russians.
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