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Link Posted: 11/17/2017 6:44:34 AM EST
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We've been trusting spies for 100 years.As long as they are not Russian spies.
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If you can't trust a former spy who is a paid political operative, who can you trust?
We've been trusting spies for 100 years.As long as they are not Russian spies.






This thread has turned into a poorly scripted sitcom.

eta I see the formatting and posting has still got some Russian collusion in it.
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 6:53:26 AM EST
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We've been trusting spies for 100 years.As long as they are not Russian spies.
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If you can't trust a former spy who is a paid political operative, who can you trust?
We've been trusting spies for 100 years.As long as they are not Russian spies.


Type "Aldrich Ames"  into your favorite search engine.
Perhaps you'll learn something.
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 7:11:00 AM EST
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Type "Aldrich Ames"  into your favorite search engine.
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If you can't trust a former spy who is a paid political operative, who can you trust?
We've been trusting spies for 100 years.As long as they are not Russian spies.


Type "Aldrich Ames"  into your favorite search engine.
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The bigger question is why would he say something that ridiculous!!??
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 7:23:01 AM EST
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The bigger question is why would he say something that ridiculous!!??
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Why did one of his comrades claim the government could not have obtained the DNC's servers through legal process?
Why did one of his comrades imply in a post that the only competent attorneys in the nation are those who work for the DOJ?

I have detected a pattern: As time goes on the distance between reality and some poster's claims grows wider.

I speculate that the cause is that TDS and Historic Hillary Defense Syndrome (hereafter HHDS) are progressive diseases.


In both sense of that term.
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 7:23:08 AM EST
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Multiple foreign intelligence agencies have intercepts involving Trump since 2015. Is that sufficient commentary?
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No, considering that useful idiot Steele got his "data" off of Reddit and 4chan.
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 7:24:02 AM EST
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That's kind of how I feel after the last post by a mod in this thread.
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 7:26:33 AM EST
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Why did one of his comrades claim the government could not have obtained the DNC's servers through legal process?
Why did one of his comrades imply in a post that the only competent attorneys in the nation are those who work for the DOJ?

I have detected a pattern: As time goes on the distance between reality and some poster's claims grows wider.

I speculate that the cause is that TDS and Historic Hillary Defense Syndrome (hereafter HHDS) are progressive diseases.


In both sense of that term.
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The bigger question is why would he say something that ridiculous!!??
Why did one of his comrades claim the government could not have obtained the DNC's servers through legal process?
Why did one of his comrades imply in a post that the only competent attorneys in the nation are those who work for the DOJ?

I have detected a pattern: As time goes on the distance between reality and some poster's claims grows wider.

I speculate that the cause is that TDS and Historic Hillary Defense Syndrome (hereafter HHDS) are progressive diseases.


In both sense of that term.
And FINALLY, why do I think your response is SPOT ON!!??

I gotta admit that "DOJ experience only" post might even be better!!
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 7:27:13 AM EST
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No, considering that useful idiot Steele got his "data" off of Reddit and 4chan.
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Multiple foreign intelligence agencies have intercepts involving Trump since 2015. Is that sufficient commentary?
No, considering that useful idiot Steele got his "data" off of Reddit and 4chan.
So now all those foreign intel agencies got intercepts involving Trump because of Steele who got them off 4chan. Makes sense.
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 7:31:11 AM EST
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So now all those foreign intel agencies got intercepts involving Trump because of Steele who got them off 4chan. Makes sense.
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What portions of the dossier have been shown to be true and accurate as you've claimed?

It does not appear this is the case - none has been shown to be accurate though that has been said here by you and perhaps others.

Please provide a reference to this or a link - something. Would like to read that.
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 7:34:35 AM EST
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I gotta admit that "DOJ experience only" post might even be better!!
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I thought the "can't get a warrant if the victim is uncooperative" schtick is the most entertaining post made recently.
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 7:37:13 AM EST
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I thought the "can't get a warrant if the victim is uncooperative" schtick is the most entertaining post made recently.
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I gotta admit that "DOJ experience only" post might even be better!!
I thought the "can't get a warrant if the victim is uncooperative" schtick is the most entertaining post made recently.
You had to have read that wrong!!??

But let's assume you read it correctly.......what were they saying was so special about the victim cooperating???
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 7:38:49 AM EST
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What portions of the dossier have been shown to be true and accurate as you've claimed?

It does not appear this is the case - none has been shown to be accurate though that has been said here by you and perhaps others.

Please provide a reference to this or a link - something. Would like to read that.
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So now all those foreign intel agencies got intercepts involving Trump because of Steele who got them off 4chan. Makes sense.
What portions of the dossier have been shown to be true and accurate as you've claimed?

It does not appear this is the case - none has been shown to be accurate though that has been said here by you and perhaps others.

Please provide a reference to this or a link - something. Would like to read that.
http://www.businessinsider.com/manafort-emails-during-trump-campaign-about-russian-oleg-deripaska-2017-10

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-secret-correspondence-between-donald-trump-jr-and-wikileaks/545738/

Link Posted: 11/17/2017 7:45:16 AM EST
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You had to have read that wrong!!??

But let's assume you read it correctly.......what were they saying was so special about the victim cooperating???
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Absolutely not.

The post simply asserted that a Federal judge would not give the government a warrant to seize the servers if the DNC was uncooperative, which was the case. If the DNC had cooperated no warrant would have been necessary.

The assertion is ludicrous. That's why I find it to be the most entertaining recent post.
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 7:47:18 AM EST
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Absolutely not.

The post simply asserted that a Federal judge would not give the government a warrant to seize the servers if the DNC was uncooperative
, which was the case. If the DNC had cooperated no warrant would have been necessary.

The assertion is ludicrous. That's why I find it to be the most entertaining recent post.
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You had to have read that wrong!!??

But let's assume you read it correctly.......what were they saying was so special about the victim cooperating???
Absolutely not.

The post simply asserted that a Federal judge would not give the government a warrant to seize the servers if the DNC was uncooperative
, which was the case. If the DNC had cooperated no warrant would have been necessary.

The assertion is ludicrous. That's why I find it to be the most entertaining recent post.
I am sorry Poly but I am still asserting you MUST have read that post incorrectly!!!

Link Posted: 11/17/2017 7:53:29 AM EST
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What portions of the dossier have been shown to be true and accurate as you've claimed?

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So now all those foreign intel agencies got intercepts involving Trump because of Steele who got them off 4chan. Makes sense.
What portions of the dossier have been shown to be true and accurate as you've claimed?

It does not appear this is the case - none has been shown to be accurate though that has been said here by you and perhaps others.

Please provide a reference to this or a link - something. Would like to read that.
http://www.businessinsider.com/manafort-emails-during-trump-campaign-about-russian-oleg-deripaska-2017-10

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-secret-correspondence-between-donald-trump-jr-and-wikileaks/545738/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLKY0eUX0AAd-AB.jpg

That's what you got?
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 8:04:22 AM EST
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What portions of the dossier have been shown to be true and accurate as you've claimed?

It does not appear this is the case - none has been shown to be accurate though that has been said here by you and perhaps others.

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So now all those foreign intel agencies got intercepts involving Trump because of Steele who got them off 4chan. Makes sense.
What portions of the dossier have been shown to be true and accurate as you've claimed?

It does not appear this is the case - none has been shown to be accurate though that has been said here by you and perhaps others.

Please provide a reference to this or a link - something. Would like to read that.
http://www.businessinsider.com/manafort-emails-during-trump-campaign-about-russian-oleg-deripaska-2017-10

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-secret-correspondence-between-donald-trump-jr-and-wikileaks/545738/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLKY0eUX0AAd-AB.jpg

And nothing you just posted proves any Trump collusion, as usual.

Manafort tried to use his new position to curry favor for himself and got fired. How long did he last?

Assange sent a bunch of emails to Jr that were never replied to, big deal.

I love the part of the dossier that says Putin was scared of hitlery.  
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 8:10:46 AM EST
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Could be a an interesting development if it's actually linked to the Flynn investigation:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/does-cooperating-witness-have-info-flynn-tie-turkey-n821341

Mueller's team may have flipped someone who's associated with Flynn's alleged deal with Turkey to turn over Gulen in exchange for 15 million dollars.  He's still in federal custody, but he's dropped off the radar of the counsel for his co-conspirators in a (unrelated) money laundering charge.  He could simply be flipping on them or he could have flipped on Flynn et al.  Should be interesting to see what develops from that.
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 8:20:47 AM EST
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Could be a an interesting development if it's actually linked to the Flynn investigation:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/does-cooperating-witness-have-info-flynn-tie-turkey-n821341

Mueller's team may have flipped someone who's associated with Flynn's alleged deal with Turkey to turn over Gulen in exchange for 15 million dollars.  He's still in federal custody, but he's dropped off the radar of the counsel for his co-conspirators in a (unrelated) money laundering charge.  He could simply be flipping on them or he could have flipped on Flynn et al.  Should be interesting to see what develops from that.
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And what does this have to do with Trump?

Are you guys now saying Turkey hacked peoples' emails?
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Could be a an interesting development if it's actually linked to the Flynn investigation:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/does-cooperating-witness-have-info-flynn-tie-turkey-n821341

Mueller's team may have flipped someone who's associated with Flynn's alleged deal with Turkey to turn over Gulen in exchange for 15 million dollars.  He's still in federal custody, but he's dropped off the radar of the counsel for his co-conspirators in a (unrelated) money laundering charge.  He could simply be flipping on them or he could have flipped on Flynn et al.  Should be interesting to see what develops from that.
And what does this have to do with Trump?
IMPEACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   REEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 8:24:54 AM EST
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Could be a an interesting development if it's actually linked to the Flynn investigation:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/does-cooperating-witness-have-info-flynn-tie-turkey-n821341

Mueller's team may have flipped someone who's associated with Flynn's alleged deal with Turkey to turn over Gulen in exchange for 15 million dollars.  He's still in federal custody, but he's dropped off the radar of the counsel for his co-conspirators in a (unrelated) money laundering charge.  He could simply be flipping on them or he could have flipped on Flynn et al.  Should be interesting to see what develops from that.
And what does this have to do with Trump?
 Already laying the groundwork for "Mike Flynn was a low-level person in the Trump administration.  Trump doesn't even know who he is/was.  He just got coffee for other staff."

The allegation is that Flynn was offered money -a lot of money- to essentially kidnap a legal US resident.  I'd generally define that as "not cool".  Assuming this is true, one of the questions that investigators will have to determine is if Flynn was flying solo or if he ran this insane scheme past Trump for approval first.
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 8:25:45 AM EST
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Could be a an interesting development if it's actually linked to the Flynn investigation:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/does-cooperating-witness-have-info-flynn-tie-turkey-n821341

Mueller's team may have flipped someone who's associated with Flynn's alleged deal with Turkey to turn over Gulen in exchange for 15 million dollars.  He's still in federal custody, but he's dropped off the radar of the counsel for his co-conspirators in a (unrelated) money laundering charge.  He could simply be flipping on them or he could have flipped on Flynn et al.  Should be interesting to see what develops from that.
And what does this have to do with Trump?
IMPEACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   REEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe their new schtick is "Turkey helped with the hacking also..........and Trump hired Flynn!!!"
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 8:27:57 AM EST
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And what does this have to do with Trump?


 Already laying the groundwork for "Mike Flynn was a low-level person in the Trump administration.  Trump doesn't even know who he is/was.  He just got coffee for other staff."

The allegation is that Flynn was offered money -a lot of money- to essentially kidnap a legal US resident.  I'd generally define that as "not cool".  Assuming this is true, one of the questions that investigators will have to determine is if Flynn was flying solo or if he ran this insane scheme past Trump for approval first.
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Could be a an interesting development if it's actually linked to the Flynn investigation:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/does-cooperating-witness-have-info-flynn-tie-turkey-n821341

Mueller's team may have flipped someone who's associated with Flynn's alleged deal with Turkey to turn over Gulen in exchange for 15 million dollars.  He's still in federal custody, but he's dropped off the radar of the counsel for his co-conspirators in a (unrelated) money laundering charge.  He could simply be flipping on them or he could have flipped on Flynn et al.  Should be interesting to see what develops from that.
And what does this have to do with Trump?


 Already laying the groundwork for "Mike Flynn was a low-level person in the Trump administration.  Trump doesn't even know who he is/was.  He just got coffee for other staff."

The allegation is that Flynn was offered money -a lot of money- to essentially kidnap a legal US resident.  I'd generally define that as "not cool".  Assuming this is true, one of the questions that investigators will have to determine is if Flynn was flying solo or if he ran this insane scheme past Trump for approval first.
Flynn lasted how long???

FYI: hitlery never fired podesta.  
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No, considering that useful idiot Steele got his "data" off of Reddit and 4chan.
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Multiple foreign intelligence agencies have intercepts involving Trump since 2015. Is that sufficient commentary?
No, considering that useful idiot Steele got his "data" off of Reddit and 4chan.
And his Russian contact buddies from back in the MI6 Russian desk days.
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 Already laying the groundwork for "Mike Flynn was a low-level person in the Trump administration.  Trump doesn't even know who he is/was.  He just got coffee for other staff."

The allegation is that Flynn was offered money -a lot of money- to essentially kidnap a legal US resident.  I'd generally define that as "not cool".  Assuming this is true, one of the questions that investigators will have to determine is if Flynn was flying solo or if he ran this insane scheme past Trump for approval first.

Flynn lasted how long???

FYI: hitlery never fired podesta.  
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Could be a an interesting development if it's actually linked to the Flynn investigation:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/does-cooperating-witness-have-info-flynn-tie-turkey-n821341

Mueller's team may have flipped someone who's associated with Flynn's alleged deal with Turkey to turn over Gulen in exchange for 15 million dollars.  He's still in federal custody, but he's dropped off the radar of the counsel for his co-conspirators in a (unrelated) money laundering charge.  He could simply be flipping on them or he could have flipped on Flynn et al.  Should be interesting to see what develops from that.
And what does this have to do with Trump?
 Already laying the groundwork for "Mike Flynn was a low-level person in the Trump administration.  Trump doesn't even know who he is/was.  He just got coffee for other staff."

The allegation is that Flynn was offered money -a lot of money- to essentially kidnap a legal US resident.  I'd generally define that as "not cool".  Assuming this is true, one of the questions that investigators will have to determine is if Flynn was flying solo or if he ran this insane scheme past Trump for approval first.

Flynn lasted how long???

FYI: hitlery never fired podesta.  
I'll accept that Trump firing Flynn was a good thing.  He should never have been hired in the first place - even at the DIA he was known to be a fucking loon.  If these allegations are true then you had the President's National Security Advisor acting as an agent of a foreign power while he was in office (however brief that was).  Rather unprecedented.

ETA:  "Unprecedented" is going to open up a deluge of whataboutism, isn't it?
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So now all those foreign intel agencies got intercepts involving Trump because of Steele who got them off 4chan. Makes sense.
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Multiple foreign intelligence agencies have intercepts involving Trump since 2015. Is that sufficient commentary?
No, considering that useful idiot Steele got his "data" off of Reddit and 4chan.
So now all those foreign intel agencies got intercepts involving Trump because of Steele who got them off 4chan. Makes sense.
So the presumption is all the intercepts are bad/ incriminating if they concern Trump? Some, if not all, of intercepts that were the result of a FISA warrant resulting from the excuse of the piss dossier? Nice circular logic.
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So the presumption is all the intercepts are bad/ incriminating if they concern Trump? Some, if not all, of intercepts that were the result of a FISA warrant resulting from the excuse of the piss dossier? Nice circular logic.
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Multiple foreign intelligence agencies have intercepts involving Trump since 2015. Is that sufficient commentary?
No, considering that useful idiot Steele got his "data" off of Reddit and 4chan.
So now all those foreign intel agencies got intercepts involving Trump because of Steele who got them off 4chan. Makes sense.
So the presumption is all the intercepts are bad/ incriminating if they concern Trump? Some, if not all, of intercepts that were the result of a FISA warrant resulting from the excuse of the piss dossier? Nice circular logic.
GCHQ applies for FISA warrants?  That's new.
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I'll accept that Trump firing Flynn was a good thing.  He should never have been hired in the first place - even at the DIA he was known to be a fucking loon.  If these allegations are true then you had the President's National Security Advisor acting as an agent of a foreign power while he was in office (however brief that was).  Rather unprecedented.

ETA:  "Unprecedented" is going to open up a deluge of whataboutism, isn't it?
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Yeah, how long did he last in the obama admin??

I guess everyone is just trying to be like the clinton's & podesta's and get the foreign $$$$ rolling in.  
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I'll accept that Trump firing Flynn was a good thing.  He should never have been hired in the first place - even at the DIA he was known to be a fucking loon.  If these allegations are true then you had the President's National Security Advisor acting as an agent of a foreign power while he was in office (however brief that was).  Rather unprecedented.

ETA:  "Unprecedented" is going to open up a deluge of whataboutism, isn't it?
Yeah, how long did he last in the obama admin??
He was DIA Director for about two years, I think.
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Multiple foreign intelligence agencies have intercepts involving Trump since 2015. Is that sufficient commentary?
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So now all those foreign intel agencies got intercepts involving Trump because of Steele who got them off 4chan. Makes sense.
So the presumption is all the intercepts are bad/ incriminating if they concern Trump? Some, if not all, of intercepts that were the result of a FISA warrant resulting from the excuse of the piss dossier? Nice circular logic.
The foreign intercepts didn't require a FISA warrant. They were made by foreign governments.
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So the presumption that the five eyes borrow each other's resources to spy on fellow members populations are true? Spying on Trump in the USA?
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 Already laying the groundwork for "Mike Flynn was a low-level person in the Trump administration.  Trump doesn't even know who he is/was.  He just got coffee for other staff."

The allegation is that Flynn was offered money -a lot of money- to essentially kidnap a legal US resident.  I'd generally define that as "not cool".  Assuming this is true, one of the questions that investigators will have to determine is if Flynn was flying solo or if he ran this insane scheme past Trump for approval first.
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Could be a an interesting development if it's actually linked to the Flynn investigation:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/does-cooperating-witness-have-info-flynn-tie-turkey-n821341

Mueller's team may have flipped someone who's associated with Flynn's alleged deal with Turkey to turn over Gulen in exchange for 15 million dollars.  He's still in federal custody, but he's dropped off the radar of the counsel for his co-conspirators in a (unrelated) money laundering charge.  He could simply be flipping on them or he could have flipped on Flynn et al.  Should be interesting to see what develops from that.
And what does this have to do with Trump?
 Already laying the groundwork for "Mike Flynn was a low-level person in the Trump administration.  Trump doesn't even know who he is/was.  He just got coffee for other staff."

The allegation is that Flynn was offered money -a lot of money- to essentially kidnap a legal US resident.  I'd generally define that as "not cool".  Assuming this is true, one of the questions that investigators will have to determine is if Flynn was flying solo or if he ran this insane scheme past Trump for approval first.
Ok, I suppose it is possible Trump colluded with Erdogan for part of the $15 million or to make Turkey happy.

I mean, anything is possible I guess.................

I am willing to bet you that that will not be the case though.
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 8:40:34 AM EST
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And what does this have to do with Trump?
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Could be a an interesting development if it's actually linked to the Flynn investigation:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/does-cooperating-witness-have-info-flynn-tie-turkey-n821341

Mueller's team may have flipped someone who's associated with Flynn's alleged deal with Turkey to turn over Gulen in exchange for 15 million dollars.  He's still in federal custody, but he's dropped off the radar of the counsel for his co-conspirators in a (unrelated) money laundering charge.  He could simply be flipping on them or he could have flipped on Flynn et al.  Should be interesting to see what develops from that.
And what does this have to do with Trump?
 Already laying the groundwork for "Mike Flynn was a low-level person in the Trump administration.  Trump doesn't even know who he is/was.  He just got coffee for other staff."

The allegation is that Flynn was offered money -a lot of money- to essentially kidnap a legal US resident.  I'd generally define that as "not cool".  Assuming this is true, one of the questions that investigators will have to determine is if Flynn was flying solo or if he ran this insane scheme past Trump for approval first.

Yeah, that's fucking stupid to even suggest.

Why would Trump participate in kidnapping and smuggling anyone? What on Earth does he have to gain?

If it was something Trump signed off on, it would have been done in broad daylight. No need for sneaking around. The fact that it happened at all suggests Trump's unwillingness to work with Erdogan.

You're flailing.
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 8:42:22 AM EST
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So the presumption that the five eyes borrow each other's resources to spy on fellow members populations are true? Spying on Trump in the USA?
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GCHQ applies for FISA warrants?  That's new.
So the presumption that the five eyes borrow each other's resources to spy on fellow members populations are true? Spying on Trump in the USA?
That's a leap.
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 8:43:15 AM EST
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 Already laying the groundwork for "Mike Flynn was a low-level person in the Trump administration.  Trump doesn't even know who he is/was.  He just got coffee for other staff."

The allegation is that Flynn was offered money -a lot of money- to essentially kidnap a legal US resident.  I'd generally define that as "not cool".  Assuming this is true, one of the questions that investigators will have to determine is if Flynn was flying solo or if he ran this insane scheme past Trump for approval first.

Yeah, that's fucking stupid to even suggest.

Why would Trump participate in kidnapping and smuggling anyone? What on Earth does he have to gain?

If it was something Trump signed off on, it would have been done in broad daylight. No need for sneaking around. The fact that it happened at all suggests Trump's unwillingness to work with Erdogan.

You're flailing.
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Could be a an interesting development if it's actually linked to the Flynn investigation:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/does-cooperating-witness-have-info-flynn-tie-turkey-n821341

Mueller's team may have flipped someone who's associated with Flynn's alleged deal with Turkey to turn over Gulen in exchange for 15 million dollars.  He's still in federal custody, but he's dropped off the radar of the counsel for his co-conspirators in a (unrelated) money laundering charge.  He could simply be flipping on them or he could have flipped on Flynn et al.  Should be interesting to see what develops from that.
And what does this have to do with Trump?
 Already laying the groundwork for "Mike Flynn was a low-level person in the Trump administration.  Trump doesn't even know who he is/was.  He just got coffee for other staff."

The allegation is that Flynn was offered money -a lot of money- to essentially kidnap a legal US resident.  I'd generally define that as "not cool".  Assuming this is true, one of the questions that investigators will have to determine is if Flynn was flying solo or if he ran this insane scheme past Trump for approval first.

Yeah, that's fucking stupid to even suggest.

Why would Trump participate in kidnapping and smuggling anyone? What on Earth does he have to gain?

If it was something Trump signed off on, it would have been done in broad daylight. No need for sneaking around. The fact that it happened at all suggests Trump's unwillingness to work with Erdogan.

You're flailing.
Yup........or he might be doing this..............

Link Posted: 11/17/2017 8:43:18 AM EST
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Ok, I suppose it is possible Trump colluded with Erdogan for part of the $15 million or to make Turkey happy.

I mean, anything is possible I guess.................

I am willing to bet you that that will not be the case though.
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Could be a an interesting development if it's actually linked to the Flynn investigation:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/does-cooperating-witness-have-info-flynn-tie-turkey-n821341

Mueller's team may have flipped someone who's associated with Flynn's alleged deal with Turkey to turn over Gulen in exchange for 15 million dollars.  He's still in federal custody, but he's dropped off the radar of the counsel for his co-conspirators in a (unrelated) money laundering charge.  He could simply be flipping on them or he could have flipped on Flynn et al.  Should be interesting to see what develops from that.
And what does this have to do with Trump?
 Already laying the groundwork for "Mike Flynn was a low-level person in the Trump administration.  Trump doesn't even know who he is/was.  He just got coffee for other staff."

The allegation is that Flynn was offered money -a lot of money- to essentially kidnap a legal US resident.  I'd generally define that as "not cool".  Assuming this is true, one of the questions that investigators will have to determine is if Flynn was flying solo or if he ran this insane scheme past Trump for approval first.
Ok, I suppose it is possible Trump colluded with Erdogan for part of the $15 million or to make Turkey happy.

I mean, anything is possible I guess.................

I am willing to bet you that that will not be the case though.
I wouldn't take that bet - my feeling is that Flynn was acting alone on this.  It's just going to turn into a convenient pressure point (even worse than Manafort's if the allegations are true) to get him to flip on other Trump campaign people.
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 8:44:06 AM EST
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That's a leap.
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GCHQ applies for FISA warrants?  That's new.
So the presumption that the five eyes borrow each other's resources to spy on fellow members populations are true? Spying on Trump in the USA?
That's a leap.
no its not. The accusation was made a long time ago.
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 8:45:13 AM EST
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no its not. The accusation was made a long time ago.
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So the presumption that the five eyes borrow each other's resources to spy on fellow members populations are true? Spying on Trump in the USA?
That's a leap.
no its not. The accusation was made a long time ago.
It was bullshit then too.

ETA: Fixed broken quote.
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 8:45:35 AM EST
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I wouldn't take that bet - my feeling is that Flynn was acting alone on this.  It's just going to turn into a convenient pressure point (even worse than Manafort's if the allegations are true) to get him to flip on other Trump campaign people.
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Could be a an interesting development if it's actually linked to the Flynn investigation:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/does-cooperating-witness-have-info-flynn-tie-turkey-n821341

Mueller's team may have flipped someone who's associated with Flynn's alleged deal with Turkey to turn over Gulen in exchange for 15 million dollars.  He's still in federal custody, but he's dropped off the radar of the counsel for his co-conspirators in a (unrelated) money laundering charge.  He could simply be flipping on them or he could have flipped on Flynn et al.  Should be interesting to see what develops from that.
And what does this have to do with Trump?
 Already laying the groundwork for "Mike Flynn was a low-level person in the Trump administration.  Trump doesn't even know who he is/was.  He just got coffee for other staff."

The allegation is that Flynn was offered money -a lot of money- to essentially kidnap a legal US resident.  I'd generally define that as "not cool".  Assuming this is true, one of the questions that investigators will have to determine is if Flynn was flying solo or if he ran this insane scheme past Trump for approval first.
Ok, I suppose it is possible Trump colluded with Erdogan for part of the $15 million or to make Turkey happy.

I mean, anything is possible I guess.................

I am willing to bet you that that will not be the case though.
I wouldn't take that bet - my feeling is that Flynn was acting alone on this.  It's just going to turn into a convenient pressure point (even worse than Manafort's if the allegations are true) to get him to flip on other Trump campaign people.
And in the end...........as it pertains to Trump................

Link Posted: 11/17/2017 8:48:03 AM EST
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It was bullshit then too.

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So the presumption that the five eyes borrow each other's resources to spy on fellow members populations are true? Spying on Trump in the USA?
That's a leap.
no its not. The accusation was made a long time ago.
It was bullshit then too.

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Domestic espionage sharing controversy[edit]

The Five Eyes alliance is sort of an artifact of the post World War II era where the Anglophone countries are the major powers banded together to sort of co-operate and share the costs of intelligence gathering infrastructure. … The result of this was over decades and decades some sort of a supra-national intelligence organisation that doesn't answer to the laws of its own countries.
—Edward Snowden[6]

In recent years, documents of the FVEY have shown that they are intentionally spying on one another's citizens and sharing the collected information with each other in order to circumvent restrictive domestic regulations on spying. [7][9][10][61] Shami Chakrabarti, the director of the advocacy group Liberty, claimed that the FVEY alliance increases the ability of member states to "subcontract their dirty work" to each other.[62] The former NSA contractor Edward Snowden described the FVEY as a "supra-national intelligence organisation that doesn't answer to the laws of its own countries".[6]

As a result of Snowden's disclosures, the FVEY alliance has become the subject of a growing amount of controversy in parts of the world:
Canada: In late 2013, Canadian federal judge Richard Mosley strongly rebuked the CSIS for outsourcing its surveillance of Canadians to overseas partner agencies. A 51-page court ruling asserts that the CSIS and other Canadian federal agencies have been illegally enlisting FVEY allies in global surveillance dragnets, while keeping domestic federal courts in the dark.[63][64][65]

New Zealand: In 2014, the NZSIS and the GCSB of New Zealand were asked by the New Zealand Parliament to clarify if they had received any monetary contributions from members of the FVEY alliance. Both agencies withheld relevant information and refused to disclose any possible monetary contributions from the FVEY.[66] David Cunliffe, leader of the Labour Party, asserted that the public is entitled to be informed.[66]

European Union: In early 2014, the European Parliament's Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs released a draft report which confirmed that the intelligence agencies of New Zealand and Canada have cooperated with the NSA under the Five Eyes programme and may have been actively sharing the personal data of EU citizens.[67][68]
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 8:50:40 AM EST
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No, considering that useful idiot Steele got his "data" off of Reddit and 4chan.
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Multiple foreign intelligence agencies have intercepts involving Trump since 2015. Is that sufficient commentary?
No, considering that useful idiot Steele got his "data" off of Reddit and 4chan.
That's not true. Stop believing everything you read on the internet.
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 8:54:34 AM EST
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I am sorry Poly but I am still asserting you MUST have read that post incorrectly!!!

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Start reading at page 56 of this thread.
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 8:55:32 AM EST
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Well, if it's on Wiki then...
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 8:58:22 AM EST
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You are naive if don't believe gov'ts are using foreign intelligence services to circumvent domestic spying laws.
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 8:59:38 AM EST
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Start reading at page 56 of this thread.
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I am sorry Poly but I am still asserting you MUST have read that post incorrectly!!!

Start reading at page 56 of this thread.
Jesus Christ you weren't dreaming.

Not just National Security like you opine as one option..........how about the democrats OWN ALLEGATION that the voting systems and integrity of the voting process were damaged and hacked, etc!!??

Oh wait...........that's National Security!!
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 9:01:14 AM EST
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Here I thought this "whataboutism" was just made up by you_guys to mock when people pointed out the hypocrisy of a statement.

But no, there's more. It's apparently a term used since the Cold War particularly associated with Russian and Soviet propaganda. You learn something new every day.

Now it's perfectly clear why they_use it.
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 9:11:57 AM EST
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So now all those foreign intel agencies got intercepts involving Trump because of Steele who got them off 4chan. Makes sense.
What portions of the dossier have been shown to be true and accurate as you've claimed?

It does not appear this is the case - none has been shown to be accurate though that has been said here by you and perhaps others.

Please provide a reference to this or a link - something. Would like to read that.
http://www.businessinsider.com/manafort-emails-during-trump-campaign-about-russian-oleg-deripaska-2017-10

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-secret-correspondence-between-donald-trump-jr-and-wikileaks/545738/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLKY0eUX0AAd-AB.jpg
Why do you keep posting this russian propaganda that the hillary campaign paid for in order to smear and subsequently investigate Trump?
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 9:17:04 AM EST
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Why do you keep posting this russian propaganda that the hillary campaign paid for in order to smear and subsequently investigate Trump?
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Some are now switching to Turkey as we speak.
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 9:20:04 AM EST
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 Already laying the groundwork for "Mike Flynn was a low-level person in the Trump administration.  Trump doesn't even know who he is/was.  He just got coffee for other staff."

The allegation is that Flynn was offered money -a lot of money- to essentially kidnap a legal US resident.  I'd generally define that as "not cool".  Assuming this is true, one of the questions that investigators will have to determine is if Flynn was flying solo or if he ran this insane scheme past Trump for approval first.
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"Offered a lot of money" but never took it.

"to essentially kidnap a legal US resident" but also never happened.

This is where listening to people's phone calls without context and unmasking names gets you. You have to make excuses why you were listening to them and unmasking their names. So I ask, why were they unmasking names in Trump's campaign?
Link Posted: 11/17/2017 9:25:12 AM EST
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Some are now switching to Turkey as we speak.
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I hope my previous post explains why they are moving into Turkey. Russia is backfiring.
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