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Posted: 10/27/2023 6:27:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless his plan is to run and hide in the woods like Eric Ruldolph or Eric Frein. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'd bet this pussy is dead already, if he was still alive he would have tried to pull some more shit today. He's not just hanging out with all that adrenalin and doing nothing. Unless he's on some heavy drugs to calm himself down, he's dead and I hope that's the case. Unless his plan is to run and hide in the woods like Eric Ruldolph or Eric Frein. Experts warned that the 40-year-old deer hunter and Army reservist was well equipped to survive in the wild, |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 6:35:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So did I. It's weird. She is seemingly attention-whoring at a press conference about a mass shooting.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The woman doing the extremely demonstrative sign language at the press conference was pretty distracting. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/DAC07AA1-4BCE-4EA6-B32D-0D7ADCE962D2_png-3005537.JPG I know I shouldn't, but I laughed my ass off at that screen shot. So did I. It's weird. She is seemingly attention-whoring at a press conference about a mass shooting. The ASL teaching these days emphasizes being expressive. In this context is just distracting. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 6:44:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'd bet this pussy is dead already, if he was still alive he would have tried to pull some more shit today. He's not just hanging out with all that adrenalin and doing nothing. Unless he's on some heavy drugs to calm himself down, he's dead and I hope that's the case. Unless his plan is to run and hide in the woods like Eric Ruldolph or Eric Frein. Experts warned that the 40-year-old deer hunter and Army reservist was well equipped to survive in the wild, In New England/Canada during the winter? Uh, no. They said the same thing about Rudolph and it turned out he was stealing left and right and squatting in abandoned homes and other structures. The media loves to play up the Rambo caricature. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 6:49:43 AM EDT
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So where is the cucksucker.....how many ELITE Leo do we need? How about hiring some salty vets who can actually get shit done, not tactards in effing team Wendy and multicam with suppressed mk18s......all this money being spent for one dude. Not ONE PERSON ran towards him. People ran away, hit in the bowling pins and let people.die.....grab ur effing BALLS and take the mf OUT. this country has become gummie bear soft. One mf with a revolver could have ended this....but then again the bowling alley prolly has a no guns inside sign on it. Would be perfect irony.
Shits prolly gonna end like Vegas....no motive no guy, no video of shit, nothing. We know he's been crazy....and yet....... /rant. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 6:54:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Deer season starts Saturday so there’s going to be a lot more people in the woods I bet they suspend it if he isn’t caught. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 6:58:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In New England/Canada during the winter? Uh, no. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'd bet this pussy is dead already, if he was still alive he would have tried to pull some more shit today. He's not just hanging out with all that adrenalin and doing nothing. Unless he's on some heavy drugs to calm himself down, he's dead and I hope that's the case. Unless his plan is to run and hide in the woods like Eric Ruldolph or Eric Frein. Experts warned that the 40-year-old deer hunter and Army reservist was well equipped to survive in the wild, In New England/Canada during the winter? Uh, no.  |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 6:59:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So where is the cucksucker.....how many ELITE Leo do we need? How about hiring some salty vets who can actually get shit done, not tactards in effing team Wendy and multicam with suppressed mk18s......all this money being spent for one dude. Not ONE PERSON ran towards him. People ran away, hit in the bowling pins and let people.die.....grab ur effing BALLS and take the mf OUT. this country has become gummie bear soft. One mf with a revolver could have ended this....but then again the bowling alley prolly has a no guns inside sign on it. Would be perfect irony. Shits prolly gonna end like Vegas....no motive no guy, no video of shit, nothing. We know he's been crazy....and yet....... /rant. Why haven’t you killed or apprehended him yet Mr. Wick? |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:01:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So where is the cucksucker.....how many ELITE Leo do we need? How about hiring some salty vets who can actually get shit done, not tactards in effing team Wendy and multicam with suppressed mk18s......all this money being spent for one dude. Not ONE PERSON ran towards him. People ran away, hit in the bowling pins and let people.die.....grab ur effing BALLS and take the mf OUT. this country has become gummie bear soft. One mf with a revolver could have ended this....but then again the bowling alley prolly has a no guns inside sign on it. Would be perfect irony. Shits prolly gonna end like Vegas....no motive no guy, no video of shit, nothing. We know he's been crazy....and yet....... /rant. Understood. However, the "conventional wisdom," the actual training for years now has been, "Run, Hide, Fight." So everyone ran! I guess none were armed. The standing orders for armed people should be different. Dog the Bounty Hunter was on last night and in his own way said what you are saying. Forget the cops, send in 300 Marines! |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:03:10 AM EDT
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Has anyone told us yet where he was "checked in?" Who was providing his mental health care? Was it the V.A. like it was for the shooter in Atlanta?
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:05:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So where is the cucksucker.....how many ELITE Leo do we need? How about hiring some salty vets who can actually get shit done, not tactards in effing team Wendy and multicam with suppressed mk18s......all this money being spent for one dude. Not ONE PERSON ran towards him. People ran away, hit in the bowling pins and let people.die.....grab ur effing BALLS and take the mf OUT. this country has become gummie bear soft. One mf with a revolver could have ended this....but then again the bowling alley prolly has a no guns inside sign on it. Would be perfect irony. Shits prolly gonna end like Vegas....no motive no guy, no video of shit, nothing. We know he's been crazy....and yet....... /rant. You sure about that? |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:07:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'd bet this pussy is dead already, if he was still alive he would have tried to pull some more shit today. He's not just hanging out with all that adrenalin and doing nothing. Unless he's on some heavy drugs to calm himself down, he's dead and I hope that's the case. Unless his plan is to run and hide in the woods like Eric Ruldolph or Eric Frein. Experts warned that the 40-year-old deer hunter and Army reservist was well equipped to survive in the wild, In New England/Canada during the winter? Uh, no. Must never have heard of the popular sport of winter camping. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:09:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So where is the cucksucker.....how many ELITE Leo do we need? How about hiring some salty vets who can actually get shit done, not tactards in effing team Wendy and multicam with suppressed mk18s......all this money being spent for one dude. Not ONE PERSON ran towards him. People ran away, hit in the bowling pins and let people.die.....grab ur effing BALLS and take the mf OUT. this country has become gummie bear soft. One mf with a revolver could have ended this....but then again the bowling alley prolly has a no guns inside sign on it. Would be perfect irony. Shits prolly gonna end like Vegas....no motive no guy, no video of shit, nothing. We know he's been crazy....and yet....... /rant. Bullshit. LINK |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:11:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't imagine anything federal will happen. Not likely to get 60 votes in the senate to bust filibuster and the GOP house isn't going to do it anyway. I am concerned for the state of Maine. They are going to have a hard fight. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeesh. Susan Collins - Supports Hi cap mag ban, historically supported AWB but was sabotaged by Feinstein trying expand the ban. Supports raising rifle age to 21, supports legislatively banning bumpstocks. The senate is looking rough, I hope the new Speaker of the House has balls of steel. I can't imagine anything federal will happen. Not likely to get 60 votes in the senate to bust filibuster and the GOP house isn't going to do it anyway. I am concerned for the state of Maine. They are going to have a hard fight. Should push to eliminate these victim disarmament zones. As we all know, they just render sane, law-abiding people defenseless. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:11:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Has anyone told us yet where he was "checked in?" Who was providing his mental health care? Was it the V.A. like it was for the shooter in Atlanta? News last night said he was having trouble on base and made the threats to other military personnel, and was sent to the Army Military Hospital on base. They were pretty thin on details. Since he was in the reserves, it might have been on a drill weekend? |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:12:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm pages behind. Do we know what kind of hearing aids he purchased? Do they have a Bluetoioth or similar capability? Where and when did he acquire them? https://nypost.com/2023/10/26/news/maine-shooting-suspect-robert-card-may-have-targeted-places-where-he-claimed-people-insulted-him/ Reports say he heard voices while using hearing aids. Isn't that the primary purpose of hearing aids - to hear voices?  |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:14:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: News last night said he was having trouble on base and made the threats to other military personnel, and was sent to the Army Military Hospital on base. They were pretty thin on details. Since he was in the reserves, it might have been on a drill weekend? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Has anyone told us yet where he was "checked in?" Who was providing his mental health care? Was it the V.A. like it was for the shooter in Atlanta? News last night said he was having trouble on base and made the threats to other military personnel, and was sent to the Army Military Hospital on base. They were pretty thin on details. Since he was in the reserves, it might have been on a drill weekend? Yeah, seems like some confusion on exactly how his situation was handled. Another article mentioned that the base's facility didn't have the resources or ability to evaluate/hold him and he was transferred to a different facility/hospital. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:15:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So where is the cucksucker.....how many ELITE Leo do we need? How about hiring some salty vets who can actually get shit done, not tactards in effing team Wendy and multicam with suppressed mk18s......all this money being spent for one dude. Not ONE PERSON ran towards him. People ran away, hit in the bowling pins and let people.die.....grab ur effing BALLS and take the mf OUT. this country has become gummie bear soft. One mf with a revolver could have ended this....but then again the bowling alley prolly has a no guns inside sign on it. Would be perfect irony. Shits prolly gonna end like Vegas....no motive no guy, no video of shit, nothing. We know he's been crazy....and yet....... /rant. Bullshit. LINK The disconnect between what the poster is talking about and the article you posted makes me question your mental capacity. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:16:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In New England/Canada during the winter? Uh, no. They said the same thing about Rudolph and it turned out he was stealing left and right and squatting in abandoned homes and other structures. The media loves to play up the Rambo caricature. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'd bet this pussy is dead already, if he was still alive he would have tried to pull some more shit today. He's not just hanging out with all that adrenalin and doing nothing. Unless he's on some heavy drugs to calm himself down, he's dead and I hope that's the case. Unless his plan is to run and hide in the woods like Eric Ruldolph or Eric Frein. Experts warned that the 40-year-old deer hunter and Army reservist was well equipped to survive in the wild, In New England/Canada during the winter? Uh, no. They said the same thing about Rudolph and it turned out he was stealing left and right and squatting in abandoned homes and other structures. The media loves to play up the Rambo caricature. When I see a sentence that reads "experts say" or see the letters "FBI" in it, then I know I am about to read a carefully crafted narrative that is no where near the truth. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:17:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:18:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So where is the cucksucker.....how many ELITE Leo do we need? How about hiring some salty vets who can actually get shit done, not tactards in effing team Wendy and multicam with suppressed mk18s......all this money being spent for one dude. Not ONE PERSON ran towards him. People ran away, hit in the bowling pins and let people.die.....grab ur effing BALLS and take the mf OUT. this country has become gummie bear soft. One mf with a revolver could have ended this....but then again the bowling alley prolly has a no guns inside sign on it. Would be perfect irony. Shits prolly gonna end like Vegas....no motive no guy, no video of shit, nothing. We know he's been crazy....and yet....... /rant. How do you know nobody ran towards the shooter and tried to take him out ? |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:19:56 AM EDT
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'Behaving erratically' Card has been a U.S. Army reservist since December 2002, the Army said. His current rank is as a sergeant first class and his job is a petroleum supply specialist. He has no combat deployments. A U.S. Defense Department official confirmed to ABC News that Card was "behaving erratically" while deployed over the summer with his Army Reserve Unit to Camp Smith Training Center in upstate New York to support summer training for West Point cadets. Leaders of the Army Reserve's 3rd Battalion, 304th Infantry Regiment informed garrison staff at the training site about his behavior on July 17, the defense official said. "Out of concern for his safety, the unit requested that law enforcement be contacted," the official said. New York State Police officers responded and transported Card to Keller Army Community Hospital at the U.S. Military Academy for medical evaluation, the official said. Card allegedly threatened other soldiers with violence and was "command directed" to go to the hospital for the evaluation, according to a source briefed and with direct knowledge of the incident. New York State Police has stationed armed troopers at the entrances to Camp Smith as a precaution to beef up the armed security, according to the defense official. Card was not assigned to West Point over the summer as any sort of instructor, including firearms, an academy official told ABC News. "While his unit supported West Point summer training, our records indicate he did not instruct nor have any interactions with cadets in training," the official said. An Army spokesperson also confirmed Thursday that there are no records to indicate Card instructed or participated in any of the training. Card was not trained by the Army as a firearms instructor, "nor did he serve in that capacity for the Army," the spokesperson, Bryce Dubee, added. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:20:57 AM EDT
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What a shit shot this thing pretending to be human has caused
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:26:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bet they suspend it if he isn’t caught.  They're would be a manhunt organized to find the missing sheriff following that announcement up here. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:27:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Understood. However, the "conventional wisdom," the actual training for years now has been, "Run, Hide, Fight." So everyone ran! I guess none were armed. The standing orders for armed people should be different. Dog the Bounty Hunter was on last night and in his own way said what you are saying. Forget the cops, send in 300 Marines! Run, Hide, Fight are three actions you can take; tt doesnt mean you have to run first, then hide and finally fight. You employ the appropriate technique for the situation you are in. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:28:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So where is the cucksucker.....how many ELITE Leo do we need? How about hiring some salty vets who can actually get shit done, not tactards in effing team Wendy and multicam with suppressed mk18s......all this money being spent for one dude. Not ONE PERSON ran towards him. People ran away, hit in the bowling pins and let people.die.....grab ur effing BALLS and take the mf OUT. this country has become gummie bear soft. One mf with a revolver could have ended this....but then again the bowling alley prolly has a no guns inside sign on it. Would be perfect irony. Shits prolly gonna end like Vegas....no motive no guy, no video of shit, nothing. We know he's been crazy....and yet....... /rant. Why dont you take a drive and show everyone how its done. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:29:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Run, Hide, Fight are three actions you can take; tt doesnt mean you have to run first, then hide and finally fight. You employ the appropriate technique for the situation you are in. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:30:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Understood. However, the "conventional wisdom," the actual training for years now has been, "Run, Hide, Fight." So everyone ran! I guess none were armed. The standing orders for armed people should be different. Dog the Bounty Hunter was on last night and in his own way said what you are saying. Forget the cops, send in 300 Marines! It was a Bar and Grill too. I'm trying to figure out if this is yet another "gun free zone" slaying. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:33:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Run, Hide, Fight are three actions you can take; tt doesnt mean you have to run first, then hide and finally fight. You employ the appropriate technique for the situation you are in. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Understood. However, the "conventional wisdom," the actual training for years now has been, "Run, Hide, Fight." So everyone ran! I guess none were armed. The standing orders for armed people should be different. Dog the Bounty Hunter was on last night and in his own way said what you are saying. Forget the cops, send in 300 Marines! Run, Hide, Fight are three actions you can take; tt doesnt mean you have to run first, then hide and finally fight. You employ the appropriate technique for the situation you are in. Of course. However, the training for the simple sheep is that Run, Hide, Fight is a sequence: Run if you can, hide if you can't, fight if you must. For example:  |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:40:18 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So where is the cucksucker.....how many ELITE Leo do we need? How about hiring some salty vets who can actually get shit done, not tactards in effing team Wendy and multicam with suppressed mk18s......all this money being spent for one dude. Not ONE PERSON ran towards him. People ran away, hit in the bowling pins and let people.die.....grab ur effing BALLS and take the mf OUT. this country has become gummie bear soft. One mf with a revolver could have ended this....but then again the bowling alley prolly has a no guns inside sign on it. Would be perfect irony. Shits prolly gonna end like Vegas....no motive no guy, no video of shit, nothing. We know he's been crazy....and yet....... /rant. Whoa whoa whoa there, armchair commando. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:40:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You should run for VP Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Food for thought: They know where he isn’t. If they simply subtract all the places he isn’t from 1, they will know where he is. You should run for VP LOL. He just needs to practice paraphrasing himself a little more. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:41:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The ASL teaching these days emphasizes being expressive. In this context is just distracting. Some of my deaf ASL instructors were expressive, but not THAT expressive unless they were trying to be funny or telling a joke. But yeah, some interpreters take it too far. Mist deaf expression is often limited to the raising and lowering of eyebrows and mouth shapes. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:45:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When I see a sentence that reads "experts say" or see the letters "FBI" in it, then I know I am about to read a carefully crafted narrative that is no where near the truth. don't forget its the same if they qoute a "professor ". |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:47:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course. However, the training for the simple sheep is that Run, Hide, Fight is a sequence: Run if you can, hide if you can't, fight if you must. For example: https://www.wssd.k12.pa.us/WindowImages/201822785633902_image.png Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Understood. However, the "conventional wisdom," the actual training for years now has been, "Run, Hide, Fight." So everyone ran! I guess none were armed. The standing orders for armed people should be different. Dog the Bounty Hunter was on last night and in his own way said what you are saying. Forget the cops, send in 300 Marines! Run, Hide, Fight are three actions you can take; tt doesnt mean you have to run first, then hide and finally fight. You employ the appropriate technique for the situation you are in. Of course. However, the training for the simple sheep is that Run, Hide, Fight is a sequence: Run if you can, hide if you can't, fight if you must. For example: https://www.wssd.k12.pa.us/WindowImages/201822785633902_image.png CLOWN WORLD. Sad though to think the people that make this shit up. Get Paid. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:48:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Run, Hide, Fight are three actions you can take; tt doesnt mean you have to run first, then hide and finally fight. You employ the appropriate technique for the situation you are in. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Understood. However, the "conventional wisdom," the actual training for years now has been, "Run, Hide, Fight." So everyone ran! I guess none were armed. The standing orders for armed people should be different. Dog the Bounty Hunter was on last night and in his own way said what you are saying. Forget the cops, send in 300 Marines! Run, Hide, Fight are three actions you can take; tt doesnt mean you have to run first, then hide and finally fight. You employ the appropriate technique for the situation you are in. Run, Hide, Fight is taught in a way that Fight is the last resort. Going through the training at work recently they harped on it. Of course they dont want to say people could be legally armed, this is government after all |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:50:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course. However, the training for the simple sheep is that Run, Hide, Fight is a sequence: Run if you can, hide if you can't, fight if you must. For example: https://www.wssd.k12.pa.us/WindowImages/201822785633902_image.png Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Understood. However, the "conventional wisdom," the actual training for years now has been, "Run, Hide, Fight." So everyone ran! I guess none were armed. The standing orders for armed people should be different. Dog the Bounty Hunter was on last night and in his own way said what you are saying. Forget the cops, send in 300 Marines! Run, Hide, Fight are three actions you can take; tt doesnt mean you have to run first, then hide and finally fight. You employ the appropriate technique for the situation you are in. Of course. However, the training for the simple sheep is that Run, Hide, Fight is a sequence: Run if you can, hide if you can't, fight if you must. For example: https://www.wssd.k12.pa.us/WindowImages/201822785633902_image.png This training made my blood boil that the concept pf ccw was never mentioned. All these places push "improvised weapons" if you have no option to fight... hey dumbass, what if some of us had actual weapons instead? One of the LEO teaching the course mentioned how he isnt armed now that he is retired
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:51:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:52:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why dont you take a drive and show everyone how its done. If more people were vigilant and not complacent, every town USA would have people always ready to tackle some asshole coming through the door. But civvies don't think like that. Also, why not make opening hunting day into a manhunt day? |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:52:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Run, Hide, Fight are three actions you can take; tt doesnt mean you have to run first, then hide and finally fight. You employ the appropriate technique for the situation you are in. human instinct is to run first, evaluate later. Some folks are just much, much more faster at evaluating and reaction. I.e. Kenosha Training, real training, can change this mindset, imho. It all comes down to how the mind is wired or programmed (2 different things actually), situation awareness, training. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:53:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Another "FBI Electronic Other Surveillance" gun guy hearing voices???!? Naw..... I guess they needed to rile someone's ass up due to the current airstrikes in Syria. Tl;dr: Those voices were 100% the FBI. Seriously dude, get some help. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:56:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The ASL teaching these days emphasizes being expressive. In this context is just distracting. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:57:04 AM EDT
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Family and a soldier who started his training with him indicated that this was an acute breakdown.
As a leader, he led by respect, rather than fear. Quiet, easy going guy. Never saw combat, but well trained and one of the top shooters in their unit. Navigation and outdoor skills are strong as well. Seems he’s never had a cross word with anyone and had one DUI a while back. Could be really any one of us. So what causes someone to snap. Many on here could have made comments, in a time of weakness or anger, be evaluated, then released. Freedom comes at a price. How do we prevent mental illness from escalating, without trampling one’s right to freedom. Everyone has to be held accountable for their actions, regardless of their mental state. But tagging and bagging him doesn’t bring us any closer to the answers we seek. It’s less than he deserves, but yields no gain for the future. Why can’t we spot this sooner, at a level where it makes sense to legally restrain a person (commit them, treat them, etc.)? Why do these shooters go for unarmed, random citizens? I don’t believe it’s always cowardice. Especially this time. What motivates them to a mass killing, instead of just a fight? They rarely believe they’ll walk away, so what message to they hope to leave. Rational questions to an irrational scenario, I know. Leading me back to, if mentally ill, why does this acute episode send a guy to a bowling alley and not the Whitehouse lawn (he wasn’t a fan of Biden), or some other figment of authority? Lastly, send in the military or BORTAC. BORTAC found our escapee in shorter, in PA last month. He, too, was a very skilled outdoorsman. Cops literally walked within 5 feet of him and never saw him. Made it across several counties, carefully staking out, then stealing vehicles and supplies as he went along. He would have made, if he zigged to Philly or Norristown, instead of zagging to a more rural area, where he hoped friends would help and they didn’t. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:58:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Run, Hide, Fight are three actions you can take; tt doesnt mean you have to run first, then hide and finally fight. You employ the appropriate technique for the situation you are in. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Understood. However, the "conventional wisdom," the actual training for years now has been, "Run, Hide, Fight." So everyone ran! I guess none were armed. The standing orders for armed people should be different. Dog the Bounty Hunter was on last night and in his own way said what you are saying. Forget the cops, send in 300 Marines! Run, Hide, Fight are three actions you can take; tt doesnt mean you have to run first, then hide and finally fight. You employ the appropriate technique for the situation you are in. I also remember a simulation years ago where they had kids try to hide, vs. when the mock gunman came into the classroom they all threw whatever they could get their hands on. Books, pencils, chairs, whatever. Kids still "died" (simulation), but not nearly as many. Lastly, and not to go all "America is soft" and all that, but I wonder what would have happened if this happened when my dad was young. He was born in 1917 and I would imagine there'd have been tons of bowling balls in the air from him and his type. He wasn't all tough guy or anything like that. Just typical midwest, depression era farmer who's "give a damn" was permanently busted. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 7:59:45 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It was a Bar and Grill too. I'm trying to figure out if this is yet another "gun free zone" slaying. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Understood. However, the "conventional wisdom," the actual training for years now has been, "Run, Hide, Fight." So everyone ran! I guess none were armed. The standing orders for armed people should be different. Dog the Bounty Hunter was on last night and in his own way said what you are saying. Forget the cops, send in 300 Marines! It was a Bar and Grill too. I'm trying to figure out if this is yet another "gun free zone" slaying. It would depend on whether or not the place posted "no guns." From the ILA site on Maine law: It is unlawful for a person, other than a law enforcement officer or a private investigator, to possess a firearm in a liquor-licensed establishment that is posted to prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms. It is unlawful for any person to possess a firearm while under the influence in such an establishment. In addition to other penalties, a person convicted of a violation faces revocation of any carry permit and remains ineligible to obtain or apply for a permit to carry a concealed firearm for five years from the date of that conviction. 17-A M.R.S.A. § 1057. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 8:01:41 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistorySurprised it took that long to flip. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 8:02:18 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That is something I've legitimately wondered about. I've heard that spoken many times, and if you take it as a sequence, it seems the likelihood of you being cornered when you try to fight goes up. I also remember a simulation years ago where they had kids try to hide, vs. when the mock gunman came into the classroom they all threw whatever they could get their hands on. Books, pencils, chairs, whatever. Kids still "died" (simulation), but not nearly as many. Lastly, and not to go all "America is soft" and all that, but I wonder what would have happened if this happened when my dad was young. He was born in 1917 and I would imagine there'd have been tons of bowling balls in the air from him and his type. He wasn't all tough guy or anything like that. Just typical midwest, depression era farmer who's "give a damn" was permanently busted. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 8:05:05 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Family and a soldier who started his training with him indicated that this was an acute breakdown. As a leader, he led by respect, rather than fear. Quiet, easy going guy. Never saw combat, but well trained and one of the top shooters in their unit. Navigation and outdoor skills are strong as well. Seems he’s never had a cross word with anyone and had one DUI a while back. Could be really any one of us. So what causes someone to snap. Many on here could have made comments, in a time of weakness or anger, be evaluated, then released. Freedom comes at a price. How do we prevent mental illness from escalating, without trampling one’s right to freedom. Everyone has to be held accountable for their actions, regardless of their mental state. But tagging and bagging him doesn’t bring us any closer to the answers we seek. It’s less than he deserves, but yields no gain for the future. Why can’t we spot this sooner, at a level where it makes sense to legally restrain a person (commit them, treat them, etc.)? Why do these shooters go for unarmed, random citizens? I don’t believe it’s always cowardice. Especially this time. What motivates them to a mass killing, instead of just a fight? They rarely believe they’ll walk away, so what message to they hope to leave. Rational questions to an irrational scenario, I know. Leading me back to, if mentally ill, why does this acute episode send a guy to a bowling alley and not the Whitehouse lawn (he wasn’t a fan of Biden), or some other figment of authority? Lastly, send in the military or BORTAC. BORTAC found our escapee in shorter, in PA last month. He, too, was a very skilled outdoorsman. Cops literally walked within 5 feet of him and never saw him. Made it across several counties, carefully staking out, then stealing vehicles and supplies as he went along. He would have made, if he zigged to Philly or Norristown, instead of zagging to a more rural area, where he hoped friends would help and they didn’t. Didn't he have a couple DV incidents. That's not being Mr. Normal. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 8:06:36 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You missed the point. If more people were vigilant and not complacent, every town USA would have people always ready to tackle some asshole coming through the door. But civvies don't think like that. Also, why not make opening hunting day into a manhunt day? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why dont you take a drive and show everyone how its done. If more people were vigilant and not complacent, every town USA would have people always ready to tackle some asshole coming through the door. But civvies don't think like that. Also, why not make opening hunting day into a manhunt day? 15 deer hunters shoot each other and the shooter still hasn't been spotted. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 8:09:34 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course. However, the training for the simple sheep is that Run, Hide, Fight is a sequence: Run if you can, hide if you can't, fight if you must. For example: https://www.wssd.k12.pa.us/WindowImages/201822785633902_image.png I teach active shooter classes to businesses and other groups. When run, hide, fight comes up; I point that it isnt a linear progression. One strategy can set up another and you employ whichever is appropriate based off the situation you are in. In fact I just taught a course yesterday and we were talking about how I may run from the initial attack in order to hide and then ambush the attacker. People that teach the linear progression are approaching it from a liability reduction perspective and ignore the little part in the curriculum that says something along the lines of "make your best determination of what is occurring and which of the options below will provide the greatest degree of security for you". In this case, I cant fault people for running if they are in a wide open space like a bowling alley and they are dealing with an attacker who is armed with a rifle (and has some degree of skill) and they arent within arms reach of the guy.....more so if they are there with their family. If people are honest with themselves, running is going to be the first thing most of them are going to think about and do regardless of the bravado they might express to others and the situation they are in. Having the willingness to fight is something that cant be taught in an AS class. You simply give people options and it is on them to do what they are going to do. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 8:13:33 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So where is the cucksucker.....how many ELITE Leo do we need? How about hiring some salty vets who can actually get shit done, not tactards in effing team Wendy and multicam with suppressed mk18s......all this money being spent for one dude. Not ONE PERSON ran towards him. People ran away, hit in the bowling pins and let people.die.....grab ur effing BALLS and take the mf OUT. this country has become gummie bear soft. One mf with a revolver could have ended this....but then again the bowling alley prolly has a no guns inside sign on it. Would be perfect irony. Shits prolly gonna end like Vegas....no motive no guy, no video of shit, nothing. We know he's been crazy....and yet....... /rant. Insert the Morgan Freeman He’s right you know Gif here. Completely agree with this. |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 8:14:37 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Also, why not make opening hunting day into a manhunt day? Oh im sure there wouldnt be any issues with that. Would it be organized or would everyone get to go do whatever they wanted? |
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