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Posted: 6/15/2023 5:54:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow can they do that? Pretty sure that violates privacy and free speech. Lol. How long have you been out of the work force? |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 5:57:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve come to the conclusion that the healthcare field is the last place I would want to work. Sounds like hospital management is full of power seeking cunts. Sounds a lot like the USPS. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 5:58:59 PM EST
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Wait until HR is operated by AI.
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Posted: 6/15/2023 6:06:01 PM EST
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I retired from major oil and we were monitored 24/7, even when the laptops were at home. They gave us a set of rules to go by, you followed, you were OK. But you would be amazed at the number of people who went to porn sites and got busted....
We were also told to assume the laptop cameras were on all the time. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 6:07:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow can they do that? Pretty sure that violates privacy and free speech. Absolutely not. Their house, their software, their equipment, and they need to oversee employees to protect patients. Free speech ain’t in it, and neither is privacy. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 6:10:26 PM EST
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Posted: 6/15/2023 6:12:18 PM EST
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IT I found out today scans our outbound (and I assume inbound) email for more than just spam.
Assume they see everything. While it used to be too labor intensive, AI and the cloud have made it much cheaper. I have a completely separate personal system that sits next to my work machine. I think I’m going to go a step further and put the work machine in its own VLAN. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 6:14:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve come to the conclusion that the healthcare field is the last place I would want to work. Sounds like hospital management is full of power seeking cunts. You heard correctly. Being micromanaged by corporate dolts that know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about actually providing healthcare is driving scores of good people out. Rightly so. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 6:24:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They do that to make sure that HIPPA isn't being violated. You'd be surprised at how many hospital employees go looking through charts of people they know or local (and even national ) celebrities. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wow can they do that? Pretty sure that violates privacy and free speech. They do that to make sure that HIPPA isn't being violated. You'd be surprised at how many hospital employees go looking through charts of people they know or local (and even national ) celebrities. Found another health care expert. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 6:30:59 PM EST
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The company I work for monitors everything. I mean EVERYTHING.
There's a GPS in the truck that knows your speed, your braking, your covering, when you open the windows, when you open the door, when you put your seat belt on, when you take your seat belt off, how long you've been idling, how long you've been sitting in your car. Then they watch your phone or tablet, they can literally see clicks (keypresses). They know when you encounter to a job, arrive, and leave the job. Then they'll randomly visit you at your job and you never know when it is. Hell, if they dont trust you they'll visit your job after you leave and verify you've actually done the job. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 6:31:31 PM EST
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We just had a thread on this. I’ll see if I can find it.
I’m not saying this is the system being used in her case, but it gives an example of the capabilities of said monitoring “systems”. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 6:33:31 PM EST
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Posted: 6/15/2023 6:34:28 PM EST
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I worked at a place where IT read emails.
IT geek came down to offer condolences to one of the secretaries. She had emailed her mom about her diagnosis of lupus. No one else knew. This place also put up random cameras in hidden locations. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 6:35:07 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've come to the conclusion that the healthcare field is the last place I would want to work. Sounds like hospital management is full of power seeking cunts. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 6:37:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow can they do that? Pretty sure that violates privacy and free speech. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 6:38:33 PM EST
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Every keystroke is logged. At least is was for me. Done with big brother, at least that aspect of them.
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Posted: 6/15/2023 6:47:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You have no privacy and no free speech at work. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wow can they do that? Pretty sure that violates privacy and free speech. You have no privacy and no free speech at work. As others have said, they could monitor everything they want to and in Florida it’s legal, and the hospital has due diligence to protect the patients, and workers. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 6:53:30 PM EST
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First post strikes again.
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Posted: 6/15/2023 6:54:58 PM EST
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Having worked in the Fortune 500 for several decades, I guarantee you that everything you type or view on a company PC can be monitored and recorded. It is one of the easier ways to fire someone that management wants to get rid of provided there are existing rules and employee agreements in place.
I once saw a guy get fired for porn and running a side business from his company PC. Once the case was built, they walked him out with his cardboard box. I heard they had tens of thousands of links & websites that he had visited. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 6:59:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She's not worried. I'm wondering what software vendor a hospital IT department would use. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 6:59:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They do that to make sure that HIPPA isn't being violated. You'd be surprised at how many hospital employees go looking through charts of people they know or local (and even national ) celebrities. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 7:09:00 PM EST
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She should probably report it to the IT department... someone might be hacking the system.
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Posted: 6/15/2023 7:09:09 PM EST
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I'm watching you, Wayzowski. Always watching....
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Posted: 6/15/2023 7:09:42 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I worked at a place where IT read emails. IT geek came down to offer condolences to one of the secretaries. She had emailed her mom about her diagnosis of lupus. No one else knew. This place also put up random cameras in hidden locations. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 7:13:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because you can’t or didn’t read. She has no problem with it. I’m interested in the IT aspect of it. for those that dont realize it, every mouse move click etc on THIS website is most likely recorded. relative worked for a company that installed software on the web server that would record everything that happened as a user interacted with the client's website. as an example, as i type this reply, it is possible (and many companies use software that does this) that its being recorded and even if i dont hit the submit, what i type is being recorded and saved. the purpose of this is for a company to better analyze what customers do, what they move their mouse onto and how they navigate a site. its captured in detailed so that analytics can be run against all user interactions, even ones that you dont 'submit'.. the company im familiar with is quantum metric, but there are a bunch of companies that provide similar software. ive seen a demo of this where a 'session' was retrieved to review the actual most moves and clicks. bottom line, the software and systems are so sophisticated these days, the ability to store huge amounts of data on very fast sans in server farms that you should assume anytime you interact with something on the internet, its being recorded. and as the power of hardware and AI and analytics increases, it will only get more so... |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 7:30:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: EMR flags care workers accessing charts that they have not been assigned to and sends a report to the nurse manager and department manager. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They do that to make sure that HIPPA isn't being violated. You'd be surprised at how many hospital employees go looking through charts of people they know or local (and even national ) celebrities. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 7:31:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow can they do that? Pretty sure that violates privacy and free speech. No, you would be amazed at the amount of data that verticals like health care, finance and banking have to be able to have access to in order to be compliant with regulations as well as protect themselves from lawsuits. I work for a company that can pull all data off of mobile devices just for those occasions. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 7:35:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which is stupid. Just block them. I remember news stories of people getting fired for looking up celebrities medical records that had visited their hospital. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 7:36:26 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Healthcare? Whatever the cheapest product that lets them check that compliance item off the list is. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: She's not worried. I'm wondering what software vendor a hospital IT department would use. Usually. I was fortunate to work at one place that sprung the big bucks for Epic (one "brand" of healthcare charting). It was nice. Place I'm at now deliberately cheaped out on a "lite" (incomplete) version of the crappiest "brand". Feels like living in the dark ages and productivity suffers because it takes three times as long as it does on a better system to do the same thing. Penny wise and pound foolish. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 7:38:19 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You have no privacy and no free speech at work. ^THIS. I was a medical sales rep. for 33 years that always had a company car provided. It wasn't uncommon to fudge paperwork to make it appear we had worked a full day while, in reality, we might take time off to golf or fuck off somewhere. We were usually given a choice of company cars, and some of us selected a GM car that had OnStar on it. Unbeknownst to us, OnStar was providing data on miles driven/day and the times the car was moving. I was lucky enough to have selected a Chrysler car that didn't have OnStar, but a few who did lost their job for fraudulent reporting. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 7:39:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember news stories of people getting fired for looking up celebrities medical records that had visited their hospital. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Which is stupid. Just block them. I remember news stories of people getting fired for looking up celebrities medical records that had visited their hospital. I can be fired for looking up MY OWN records without going through the "proper channels". They warn us on that upon hiring. Known a few that have lost their jobs doing it. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 7:41:00 PM EST
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we are monitored big time.
if I perform testing or have to look up anyone with my last name I am called in and have to account for it. my manager gets a report that she has to fill out while I'm in her office. if I am working on a patient and have to go down a rabbit hole of previous results looking for information about previous histories or Path reports I am held accountable and have to be prepared to give my reasons as to why I am searching the information. Healthcare Systems aren't messing around. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 7:43:02 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's also woke as fuck. the Hospital Systems are all trying to outdo each other in wokeness. you literally can't swing a dead cat without hitting a LGBTQQ+++ whatever else there is now. Ascensions ABIDE is the worse. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 7:45:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Since every key stroke is recorded and log-in are randomly audited, this seems par at my hospital system. This, especially when you are in medical records. Every key stroke is logged, what you access and for how long your on that patients record. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 7:52:47 PM EST
[#35]
anywhere these days
awesome all this commie tech isnt it Quote HistoryQuoted: You have no privacy and no free speech at work. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 7:53:04 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow can they do that? Pretty sure that violates privacy and free speech. Lol. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 7:55:13 PM EST
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and they know they are robbing people blind
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's also woke as fuck. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 7:58:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully he got into some trouble for that. We can see everything, but generally try to avoid looking unless a file or communication was flagged as suspicious. Even then, we will take some steps to avoid knowing who, unless the issue was serious enough to dig deeper. No trouble. They were told to screen emails. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 8:04:41 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: and they know they are robbing people blind Quote HistoryQuoted: and they know they are robbing people blind Quoted: It's also woke as fuck. They're woke because they get most of that sweet medicare cash from the feds. Also woke as fuck. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 8:08:28 PM EST
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There is and should be, no expectation of privacy on a company owned data system.
Many remote control apps will kill the background wallpaper to speed up data transfer. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 8:11:15 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve come to the conclusion that the healthcare field is the last place I would want to work. Sounds like hospital management is full of power seeking cunts. I only have 4 years left to retire from the hospital I work. I'm a ghost the day after. I won't even show up to my retirement party. People are gonna wonder a few months later what happened to me. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 8:24:24 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow can they do that? Pretty sure that violates privacy and free speech. Lol |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 8:29:16 PM EST
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The medical facility she’s in must have incredible resources to pay their IT guys to remote into random nurses computers during their work day.
Incredibly irresponsible too, if IT is remoting in in such a way that they can control the nurses computer instead of observing. If they screw up and delete or alter charting… |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 8:30:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow can they do that? Pretty sure that violates privacy and free speech. Those do not exist when using company systems. Its a tool to do your job, nothing else. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 8:33:58 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I worked at a place where IT read emails. IT geek came down to offer condolences to one of the secretaries. She had emailed her mom about her diagnosis of lupus. No one else knew. This place also put up random cameras in hidden locations. Now that would be a problem. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 8:41:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow can they do that? Pretty sure that violates privacy and free speech. On their computer, on their system, on their time? You clearly don’t understand the 1A. I hope you are trolling. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 8:41:54 PM EST
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I've been in healthcare IT for almost 20 years; it's manned at the bare minimum required (and sometimes less than that). No one has the time or interest to watch an RN do anything.
 If that healthcare system has had any recent infrastructure investments in the last five years, automated systems do scan inbound/outbound communications for sensitive information. Most of the work is keeping everything patched and the bad guys out. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 8:41:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even if it's encrypted as the firewall has the ability to decrypt the stream, look at it, and then re-encrypt it and send it on its way. The user has zero idea of anything going on. You have to install special certificates on the endpoint to do that or the web browser on the endpoint will throw an error. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 8:43:29 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Which is stupid. Just block them. Sometimes there are emergencies on other units and RNs have to go assist. That happens to my wife sometimes. She has to check records on patients that are not assigned to her, but it is not routine. |
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Posted: 6/15/2023 8:44:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very unlikely someone is just sitting there just watching... IT can monitor and see everything she does anyways when she logs in. Wouldn't even worry about it. Do her job and move on. Yep. |
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