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Posted: 10/22/2019 5:29:24 AM EST

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Fuck that douche nozzle and the NRA if that is their view as an whole.

Posted: 10/22/2019 5:33:40 AM EST

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Well they have to be careful what they say. Whi knows when Rachel Maddow might read something they said and use it on msnbc.
This is for the members' own good.

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Posted: 10/22/2019 5:45:50 AM EST

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Wayne LaPierre could show him the ropes on how to REALLY be corrupt.

Posted: 10/22/2019 6:13:00 AM EST

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Unreal. This is the sort of comment I'd expect from an anti-gun liberal.

I rejoined NYSRPA last year to support them in their SCOTUS case against NYC.

I'm up for renewal but I won't be doing that now, as there is no way I can overlook this nonsense.

So out of touch. He's a member here by the way, but probably not active.

Posted: 10/22/2019 6:59:35 AM EST

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Ok, let's take your logic and run with it. How many Republicans have made comments supporting some level of gun control? ALL OF THEM, including Rand Paul and Ted Cruz. By your logic we should not only work to remove every single politician from office but we should work to destroy the GOP because their statements are indefensible.

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This isn't some "purity spiral" BS like you're attempting to spin my comments as, this is a bold-faced declaration in opposition to private gunsmithing on the part of the head of one of the largest allegedly pro-gun activism groups in the nation. Oh, and by insinuating that private gunsmiths are criminals, no less.

"Keeping guns out of the wrong hands and enforcing the laws on the books," indeed.

Posted: 10/22/2019 7:13:03 AM EST

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That's all you got? Go on dispute what I said. If one member of the BoD stating his personal opinion is grounds to "burn it to the ground" then every Republican supporting some level of gun control is more than enough to "burn it to the ground". You guys made up that logic not me. So now defend it.

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Ok, let's take your logic and run with it. How many Republicans have made comments supporting some level of gun control? ALL OF THEM, including Rand Paul and Ted Cruz. By your logic we should not only work to remove every single politician from office but we should work to destroy the GOP because their statements are indefensible.

Please stop

That's all you got? Go on dispute what I said. If one member of the BoD stating his personal opinion is grounds to "burn it to the ground" then every Republican supporting some level of gun control is more than enough to "burn it to the ground". You guys made up that logic not me. So now defend it.

We do, and you keep deflecting, making false comparison's, and spinning like a top. Your devotion to an org that doesn't deserve such loyalty is impressive, but also tiresome.

Posted: 10/22/2019 7:17:24 AM EST

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Do you believe that Tom King should resign? Do you believe the NRA and NYSRPA should adopt his position that 80% lowers and frames need to be banned? Will you ever pick a side, and if so, will it be the side of liberty or the side of incremental gun bans?

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Only if King is part of the 'cabal' trying to oust Wayne, no doubt

Posted: 10/22/2019 7:19:26 AM EST

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I rejoined NYSRPA last year to support them in their SCOTUS case against NYC.

I'm up for renewal but I won't be doing that now, as there is no way I can overlook this nonsense.

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I let mine lapse last year and now give the money to better state level orgs that need it.

Posted: 10/22/2019 7:22:31 AM EST

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And Tim Knight made his comments publicly calling for Wayne's removal. Does that mean the official position of the NRA is that Wayne should be removed? Both people were BoD members and neither have any authority to speak on behalf of any organization. Organizations have specific people designated to make official statements that represent the entire organization. Did Tom King say "As a director of the NRA we believe 80% guns should be banned"? Nope, he didn't mention anything about the NRA or NYSRPA, the media included that. Meaning he is connected to those organizations but was not making any official statement on behalf of the organization.

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He is one person, not the whole organization

He's a board member.

And we had 3 Board Members here saying things too. What's your point? The board members here didn't represent the official position of the NRA any more or less than the idiot from New York.

@SWIRE we're not talking about forum posts. King made the offending comments in a media interview for an article in which he presumably knew he would be identified as the head of NYSRPA. He was, therefore, speaking for the organization. He used his position as leader of an NRA affiliate to promote anti-gun legislation.

And Tim Knight made his comments publicly calling for Wayne's removal. Does that mean the official position of the NRA is that Wayne should be removed? Both people were BoD members and neither have any authority to speak on behalf of any organization. Organizations have specific people designated to make official statements that represent the entire organization. Did Tom King say "As a director of the NRA we believe 80% guns should be banned"? Nope, he didn't mention anything about the NRA or NYSRPA, the media included that. Meaning he is connected to those organizations but was not making any official statement on behalf of the organization.

It's the official position of the NRA that Knight should be removed for speaking out against Wayne, a man even *you* have been forced to admit (eventually) is a massively corrupting influence on the org.

Wouldn't you agree?

Did the article quoting him refer to him as "a director of the NRA and head of affiliate group NYSRPA..?" Why yes, yes they did. So yes, what he says in public damn sure reflects on the orgs he controls and represents. You're trying to have your cake ("it's just his opinion") and eat it too (the NRA is purging anyone who speaks out against it's indefensible leadership, publicly or privately)

Posted: 10/22/2019 7:23:49 AM EST

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Try reading the thread. I've already said Tom King is an idiot who was running his mouth. That is the only thing that has happened and my statement answers all your questions. The NRA should not support any new gun control, period. They should also work to gain back some of the rights we lost.

A question about your question of "picking a side". Every single Republican in the House, Senate, and White House supports some level of gun control. If you draw the line where did, then that means you must vote against every single Republican in office otherwise you are supporting the incremental gun bans. Are you going to sit the next election out since there is no perfect candidate?

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Lots of people here still support the NRA and despite the chaos Wayne has caused the NRA-ILA still managed several victories earlier this year. You and hand full of others scream loudly making statements similar to David Hogg.

Do you believe that Tom King should resign? Do you believe the NRA and NYSRPA should adopt his position that 80% lowers and frames need to be banned? Will you ever pick a side, and if so, will it be the side of liberty or the side of incremental gun bans?

Try reading the thread. I've already said Tom King is an idiot who was running his mouth. That is the only thing that has happened and my statement answers all your questions. The NRA should not support any new gun control, period. They should also work to gain back some of the rights we lost.

A question about your question of "picking a side". Every single Republican in the House, Senate, and White House supports some level of gun control. If you draw the line where did, then that means you must vote against every single Republican in office otherwise you are supporting the incremental gun bans. Are you going to sit the next election out since there is no perfect candidate?

I notice you stopped short of agreeing an "idiot" like him has no place.running a gun rights org.

Posted: 10/22/2019 7:24:01 AM EST

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Fucking dumb ass.

Posted: 10/22/2019 7:26:50 AM EST

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As I previously mentioned we had 3 different NRA BoD Members on this site. Did everything they say represent the NRA? No, only an idiot would think that.

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Jesus man....he's on the board of the NRA and giving public statements on firearms....do you think anyone in the world besides you believes it's his personal opinion and not a representative of the NRA?

As I previously mentioned we had 3 different NRA BoD Members on this site. Did everything they say represent the NRA? No, only an idiot would think that.

1 - There is a difference between posting on a gun forum and what he did.

2 - Anyone on a BoD should be smart enough to know that ANY public statements they give reflect on the organization they work for....it’s part of the job. You don’t give up your right to an opinion, but you better absolutely learn when to keep your mouth shut....this would be one of those times.

Posted: 10/22/2019 7:27:23 AM EST

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I am confused and concerned because that person is the head of the group having a pro-2A case before SCOTUS

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Read up the details of the case; it's so absolutely outrageous that even Fudds are inconvenienced by it.

Posted: 10/22/2019 7:34:54 AM EST

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Read up the details of the case; it's so absolutely outrageous that even Fudds are inconvenienced by it.

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NYC Fudds?

Posted: 10/22/2019 7:36:08 AM EST

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I honest to god am convinced Swire is either an employee or relative of the NRA big wigs.

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Or prominent member of a kiss-ass state org. There's clearly a motive here, and it smacks me as professional rather than personal; irrational, but unemotional.

Whatever, it's hardly a surprise that a professional media outreach (ie propaganda) company like Ackerman McQueen would have a street team. ShareBlue is hardly the only game in town.

Posted: 10/22/2019 7:40:49 AM EST

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Just out of curiosity, how many home built guns, or completed 80% kits are used in crimes?
My suspicion is very few; so that raises the question: what is this real objection?

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They're out there, same as illegal Machinegun conversions. It doesn't matter though. We already have laws against those people, and even if we didn't, we already have laws against the crimes they commit with those guns.

Those facts combined with the New York angle of this story... it's about banning private gunsmithing, nothing more. Beaucoup bucks to be reaped by licensed big name manufacturers and FFLs that way. Same with the mandatory carry or hunting training you must buy from an NRA instructor. Good old NRA watching our backs.

Posted: 10/22/2019 7:43:16 AM EST

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Unreal. This is the sort of comment I'd expect from an anti-gun liberal.

I rejoined NYSRPA last year to support them in their SCOTUS case against NYC.

I'm up for renewal but I won't be doing that now, as there is no way I can overlook this nonsense.

So out of touch. He's a member here by the way, but probably not active.

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Now we know why they've been pimping this case (an important, but very limited case) so hard since The Troubles began last year. Watch the left hand, pay no attention to the right hand...

Posted: 10/22/2019 7:45:28 AM EST

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NYC Fudds?

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Read up the details of the case; it's so absolutely outrageous that even Fudds are inconvenienced by it.

NYC Fudds?

Yeah, they can't take their hand guns out of state, and only to like three ranges otherwise, else they risk prosecution if pulled over by a cop. I think it was just handguns, but maybe it extends to their trap shotties as well.

Posted: 10/22/2019 7:49:19 AM EST

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Who needs bloomburg? We have the nra. Great job at alienating even more members jackass

Posted: 10/22/2019 7:50:16 AM EST

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How anybody can still be supporting the NRA at this point is beyond me.

Posted: 10/22/2019 7:52:29 AM EST

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Has he backtracked yet? He's a member here isn't he still?

Posted: 10/22/2019 7:52:32 AM EST

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/09/26/us/nra-russia.amp.html

Posted: 10/22/2019 7:54:37 AM EST

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Fuck him, maybe some bad dudes are getting 80% lowers and making rifles, I don't know and honestly don't give a fuck, freedom sucks eh. What I do know is the .gov doesn't like anyone having guns that they don't know about.

Posted: 10/22/2019 8:01:36 AM EST

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Has he backtracked yet? He's a member here isn't he still?

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I think HiramRanger is friends with him.

Posted: 10/22/2019 8:08:08 AM EST

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NRA Board Member and head of the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Tom King, speaking out against our ability to legally make firearms for our personal collections and use.

“These '80 percent' guns are providing a way for prohibited people to buy a firearm,” Tom King of the NYSRPA said

https://www.nysenate.gov/newsroom/in-the-news/anna-m-kaplan/nys-legislation-would-ban-untraceable-ghost-guns

The head of the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association said the sale of ghost guns is a growing problem.

“These '80 percent' guns are providing a way for prohibited people to buy a firearm,” Tom King of the NYSRPA said, referring to people who don’t have a gun permit or are otherwise prohibited from possessing a gun.

He said self-assembled guns provide a way for competition shooters to make a custom-fitted firearm. Such weapons should have serial numbers and be registered — and any new legislation should consider such a provision, he said. But it appears increasingly, King said, people trying to evade the law are the ones buying and selling self-assembled weapons.

“It appears what was meant to be something for competitive shooters and serious shooters to build their own unique firearm may be turning into a criminal enterprise,” King said.

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Ok. Now arrest, charge and imprison the prohibited person.

Posted: 10/22/2019 8:13:24 AM EST

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Has he backtracked yet? He's a member here isn't he still?

I think HiramRanger is friends with him.

Who, Tom King?

Posted: 10/22/2019 8:14:33 AM EST

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Ok. Now arrest, charge and imprison the prohibited person.

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Why would you enforce existing laws when you can make new ones?

Posted: 10/22/2019 8:15:25 AM EST

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This is arguably worse then Dumbo Zumbo.

Posted: 10/22/2019 8:18:08 AM EST

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You almost couldn't make this kind of shit up...I mean what was this guy thinking?

Posted: 10/22/2019 8:20:21 AM EST

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You almost couldn't make this kind of shit up...I mean what was this guy thinking?

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He has a long history of BS. For example, he was quoted in the news media urging people not to show up for a gun rights rally in Albany when it was sponsored by another gun rights organization.

Posted: 10/22/2019 8:27:43 AM EST

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So out of touch. He's a member here by the way, but probably not active.

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If he's a member, does that mean I'm violating the CoC if I repeat my suggestion earlier that he autoerotically asphyxiate himself and in doing so make the world a better place?

Oh, well, it's been a good run.

And if he's not expressing any opinion but his own, then why have FWLP and the Cat Lady not repudiated him and his statements?

Posted: 10/22/2019 8:36:23 AM EST

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You almost couldn't make this kind of shit up...I mean what was this guy thinking?

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This is arguably worse then Dumbo Zumbo.

You almost couldn't make this kind of shit up...I mean what was this guy thinking?

GOOD question!!

Posted: 10/22/2019 8:39:22 AM EST

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Who, Tom King?

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Has he backtracked yet? He's a member here isn't he still?

I think HiramRanger is friends with him.

Who, Tom King?

I believe so.

Posted: 10/22/2019 8:44:49 AM EST

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How anybody can still be supporting the NRA at this point is beyond me.

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Posted: 10/22/2019 8:57:27 AM EST

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Thou shalt not kill
And
Thou shalt not steal
About covers all the laws we need.

Posted: 10/22/2019 9:05:41 AM EST

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Fuck him and fuck the NRA

Posted: 10/22/2019 9:08:52 AM EST

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page 7 is awful late to the party but I'm just here to say FUCK Tom King.

Also, it's worth noting that the ability to possess arms without the knowledge or consent of the government is, in itself, an expression of freedom.

Posted: 10/22/2019 9:18:46 AM EST

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Surprised Marion Hammer isn't the one trumpeting this.

Posted: 10/22/2019 9:19:17 AM EST

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Get a rope!

Posted: 10/22/2019 9:20:39 AM EST

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Me also.

Posted: 10/22/2019 9:27:09 AM EST

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The NRA seems to be hell bent on destroying itself; until they clean house and rebuild I won't rejoin. Sadly, I don't see them doing that.

Posted: 10/22/2019 9:29:09 AM EST

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I joined the AFC. American Firearms Coalition. I have a life membership at the NRA but won't give them anymore money. ymmv

Posted: 10/22/2019 9:35:00 AM EST

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Gad my NYSRPA renewal is coming up soon. That will give me pause.

Who needs Democrat's trying to screw us when our own advocates, supported by our dues, are doing their work for them

Posted: 10/22/2019 9:43:05 AM EST

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What an asshole. The very definition of a fudd

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They should use his picture for the definition of a Fudd.

Right down to the break open shotgun, ready for slaying some dangerous clay pigeons.

Posted: 10/22/2019 9:43:30 AM EST

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And they gave no fucks

Posted: 10/22/2019 9:54:41 AM EST

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Fucking dumb ass.

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Tom, or his defender?

Posted: 10/22/2019 10:08:39 AM EST

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Posted: 10/22/2019 10:29:37 AM EST

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So he was removed from his position immediately, yes?

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Yeaaaa, riiight... Just like Joaquin Jackson. He went about another ten years on the BOD after his famous fuddtastic interview went viral, until he passed away.

It seems the few good folks that were still on the board have bailed as the legal problems from internal fuckery became too much to risk. The NRA is mortally wounded.