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Link Posted: 2/1/2015 12:40:09 AM EST
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I really want that.
 
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I've stripped them down and it's not too difficult. The new version has been upgraded with a better front sight, stock, forend, threaded barrel and they'll be adding some new models eventually that will take mags from the M&P and XD/M. The weight and portability of the Sub2K is a big plus. Until someone else copies it, it's the only choice. I've had 2 G17 versions and neither has malfunctioned with any ammo.

Version 2 (technically 3)

http://cdn.net.outdoorhub.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/01/outdoorhub-kel-tec-introduces-sub-2000-gen-2-plans-summer-release-rdb-2015-01-26_13-40-37-880x423.jpg

I really want that.
 


You and me both partner. I hope they start cranking them out in high numbers,
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 12:45:35 AM EST
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I've stripped them down and it's not too difficult. The new version has been upgraded with a better front sight, stock, forend, threaded barrel and they'll be adding some new models eventually that will take mags from the M&P and XD/M. The weight and portability of the Sub2K is a big plus. Until someone else copies it, it's the only choice. I've had 2 G17 versions and neither has malfunctioned with any ammo.



Version 2 (technically 3)



http://cdn.net.outdoorhub.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/01/outdoorhub-kel-tec-introduces-sub-2000-gen-2-plans-summer-release-rdb-2015-01-26_13-40-37-880x423.jpg



I really want that.

 


You and me both partner. I hope they start cranking them out in high numbers,



According to them, the new process is simpler and faster.



 
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 1:14:48 AM EST
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Serious question, how are the ergonomics when inserting a magazine designed for pistols? Probably not too hard with practice, but it seems straight or a forward slant would be easier. Like an AR/MP5. Though with the CZ Evo coming out and magazines being cheap (~$15 in Czech Republic) I think this thing is a bit "meh". Unless you have a lot of Glock mags and that is the only reason you want it.
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 1:19:29 AM EST
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If someone made a 9mm carbine that took glock mags, but was styled similar to an M1 carbine or ruger 10/22, I would be all over it.
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 2:25:12 AM EST
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WORD!!!
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 3:05:12 AM EST
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You and me both partner. I hope they start cranking them out in high numbers,
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I've stripped them down and it's not too difficult. The new version has been upgraded with a better front sight, stock, forend, threaded barrel and they'll be adding some new models eventually that will take mags from the M&P and XD/M. The weight and portability of the Sub2K is a big plus. Until someone else copies it, it's the only choice. I've had 2 G17 versions and neither has malfunctioned with any ammo.

Version 2 (technically 3)

http://cdn.net.outdoorhub.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/01/outdoorhub-kel-tec-introduces-sub-2000-gen-2-plans-summer-release-rdb-2015-01-26_13-40-37-880x423.jpg

I really want that.
 


You and me both partner. I hope they start cranking them out in high numbers,

I still wish that they would fold and swivel so you don't have to remove your Aimpoint micro or get an aftermarket foreend.
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 9:25:42 AM EST
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Put the aimpoint micro on a 45degree offset mount.  
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 11:13:16 AM EST
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Citadel did, but unfortunately went with M9 mags
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 11:16:35 AM EST
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According to them, the new process is simpler and faster.
 
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I've stripped them down and it's not too difficult. The new version has been upgraded with a better front sight, stock, forend, threaded barrel and they'll be adding some new models eventually that will take mags from the M&P and XD/M. The weight and portability of the Sub2K is a big plus. Until someone else copies it, it's the only choice. I've had 2 G17 versions and neither has malfunctioned with any ammo.

Version 2 (technically 3)

http://cdn.net.outdoorhub.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/01/outdoorhub-kel-tec-introduces-sub-2000-gen-2-plans-summer-release-rdb-2015-01-26_13-40-37-880x423.jpg

I really want that.
 

You and me both partner. I hope they start cranking them out in high numbers,

According to them, the new process is simpler and faster.
 


I'll believe it when I see it.

Fingers are crossed though.
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 11:32:11 AM EST
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The Nano looks like shit.
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 11:42:41 AM EST
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Wonder if I could fit my lightning link in this?
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 11:47:03 AM EST
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I shoot a 5.5" SBR 9mm with 147gr TCMC ammo.

It will hold a 1 MOA group at 100yds.  It (9mm 147) has taken three deer at that range as well.

All have been DRT.

I have a 16" M4 profile in the gunsafe as well.  At 75yds it will cloverleaf 147gr ammo.

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I wish there was a SBR / Pistol Length version!  How lethal and at what range is a 9mm with a 16 inch barrel?


I shoot a 5.5" SBR 9mm with 147gr TCMC ammo.

It will hold a 1 MOA group at 100yds.  It (9mm 147) has taken three deer at that range as well.

All have been DRT.

I have a 16" M4 profile in the gunsafe as well.  At 75yds it will cloverleaf 147gr ammo.

TRG


What kind of optic and what range is it zeroed at? I've been thinking of a 9mm carbine for hunting at my house.
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 11:51:19 AM EST
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I still wish that they would fold and swivel so you don't have to remove your Aimpoint micro or get an aftermarket foreend.
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I've stripped them down and it's not too difficult. The new version has been upgraded with a better front sight, stock, forend, threaded barrel and they'll be adding some new models eventually that will take mags from the M&P and XD/M. The weight and portability of the Sub2K is a big plus. Until someone else copies it, it's the only choice. I've had 2 G17 versions and neither has malfunctioned with any ammo.

Version 2 (technically 3)

http://cdn.net.outdoorhub.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/01/outdoorhub-kel-tec-introduces-sub-2000-gen-2-plans-summer-release-rdb-2015-01-26_13-40-37-880x423.jpg

I really want that.
 


You and me both partner. I hope they start cranking them out in high numbers,

I still wish that they would fold and swivel so you don't have to remove your Aimpoint micro or get an aftermarket foreend.



One of the members here actually made one that does that. Pretty slick and Kel-Tec would have a real winner if they copied it.
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 12:06:26 PM EST
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Excuse my ignorance (never played with a pistol caliber carbine) but would this be noticeably quieter to shoot than a pistol?

No.


Longer barrel says yes, it will be quieter.

No specs on the barrel/bolt?
UTG garbage?

I'll pass.
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 1:57:43 PM EST
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I still wish that they would fold and swivel so you don't have to remove your Aimpoint micro or get an aftermarket foreend.
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I've stripped them down and it's not too difficult. The new version has been upgraded with a better front sight, stock, forend, threaded barrel and they'll be adding some new models eventually that will take mags from the M&P and XD/M. The weight and portability of the Sub2K is a big plus. Until someone else copies it, it's the only choice. I've had 2 G17 versions and neither has malfunctioned with any ammo.



Version 2 (technically 3)



http://cdn.net.outdoorhub.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/01/outdoorhub-kel-tec-introduces-sub-2000-gen-2-plans-summer-release-rdb-2015-01-26_13-40-37-880x423.jpg



I really want that.

 




You and me both partner. I hope they start cranking them out in high numbers,



I still wish that they would fold and swivel so you don't have to remove your Aimpoint micro or get an aftermarket foreend.
There's a whole list (just in this thread) of what people want in a 9mm carbine, most don't have the numbers to support making even half the people happy.



 
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 1:58:58 PM EST
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How dare you bring common sense and a solution to people bitching about a simplistic problem.  



 
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 1:59:49 PM EST
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The Nano looks like shit.
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You could always make your own gun if you think you could do better?



 
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 2:01:59 PM EST
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Citadel did, but unfortunately went with M9 mags
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If someone made a 9mm carbine that took glock mags, but was styled similar to an M1 carbine or ruger 10/22, I would be all over it.


Citadel did, but unfortunately went with M9 mags

And seated them vertically.
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 2:07:39 PM EST
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Link Posted: 2/1/2015 2:25:40 PM EST
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Longer barrel says yes, it will be quieter.
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Excuse my ignorance (never played with a pistol caliber carbine) but would this be noticeably quieter to shoot than a pistol?

No.


Longer barrel says yes, it will be quieter.


I've seen a .44 lever carbine, sounded more like a ka_thump than a KaDAK!  Don't know why a 9mm would be any different.

If I owned anything in 9, I'd be more interested. Hit me up when it comes out in .40
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 2:51:06 PM EST
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or a flip mount
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 2:52:12 PM EST
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any of you genius boo lit guys can figure the added MV from a carbine barrel on the 9 when compared to the glock bbl?








Link Posted: 2/1/2015 2:57:49 PM EST
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any of you genius boo lit guys can figure the added MV from a carbine barrel on the 9 when compared to the glock bbl?



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Who is going to be the first Arfcom'er to buy one? Pics and a range report are needed.
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 3:05:01 PM EST
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any of you genius boo lit guys can figure the added MV from a carbine barrel on the 9 when compared to the glock bbl?


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According to this data, and some math, you're looking at about 10% - 17% more MV out of a carbine over a G17 barrel, depending on the specific loading.  Heavier loads gain less MV.  



I didn't do the math for the +P loads.



 
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 3:07:08 PM EST
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Link Posted: 2/1/2015 3:51:52 PM EST
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You could always make your own gun if you think you could do better?
 
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The Nano looks like shit.
You could always make your own gun if you think you could do better?
 



Even if I did, the Nano would still look like shit.
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 3:54:52 PM EST
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Looks interesting, I may have to add it to the collection.

Oly arms 9mm glock mags
Keltec glock mags with red lion forend - yes thats a silicone pad holder on the forend, suppressor gets toasty.
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 4:00:29 PM EST
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Looks interesting, I may have to add it to the collection.

Oly arms 9mm glock mags
Keltec glock mags with red lion forend - yes thats a silicone pad holder on the forend, suppressor gets toasty.
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Nice
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 4:10:39 PM EST
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While interesting, a little bit.

I would much rather have a 9mm upper that didn't use the stock AR recoil system, thus allowing folding stocks.

Left side charging handle would be nice as well.

The ability to use Glock mags is some what lost on me. While I have a shit ton of G17 mags, I also have 20 9mm AR mags and don't care for the appearance of the angled back mag.

So, I guess I am saying.....meh.
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 4:49:45 PM EST
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How dare you bring common sense and a solution to people bitching about a simplistic problem.  

 
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Put the aimpoint micro on a 45degree offset mount.  
How dare you bring common sense and a solution to people bitching about a simplistic problem.  

 
Sorry, I forgot this was GD.  



 
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 5:08:11 PM EST
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While interesting, a little bit.

I would much rather have a 9mm upper that didn't use the stock AR recoil system, thus allowing folding stocks.

Left side charging handle would be nice as well.

The ability to use Glock mags is some what lost on me. While I have a shit ton of G17 mags, I also have 20 9mm AR mags and don't care for the appearance of the angled back mag.

So, I guess I am saying.....meh.
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It has a left side charging handle. I agree about the stock to a degree but I think that would require a lot more change in the design.
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 5:21:53 PM EST
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You know, it's a sad time when someone has to specify that they were referring to females when talking about strippers.....  you'd figure something like that would simply be assumed unless otherwise indicated.  
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That fucking thing looks as much fun as a couple of bi-sexual strippers and a bag of coke !!!!


And for under 600 bucks ? !!!!!!!! Shit.



Did this thread turn ghay or is it turning into a transmission thread too?




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That fucking thing looks as much fun as a couple of bi-sexual strippers and a bag of coke !!!!


And for under 600 bucks ? !!!!!!!!  Shit.





Agreed......................if they're  female strippers


You know, it's a sad time when someone has to specify that they were referring to females when talking about strippers.....  you'd figure something like that would simply be assumed unless otherwise indicated.  


Yep.

World done gone crazy.
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 5:25:02 PM EST
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Back on topic,

I'd like one that used G20 mags and all SBR'd up.
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I've seen a .44 lever carbine, sounded more like a ka_thump than a KaDAK!  Don't know why a 9mm would be any different.



If I owned anything in 9, I'd be more interested. Hit me up when it comes out in .40

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Excuse my ignorance (never played with a pistol caliber carbine) but would this be noticeably quieter to shoot than a pistol?


No.




Longer barrel says yes, it will be quieter.





I've seen a .44 lever carbine, sounded more like a ka_thump than a KaDAK!  Don't know why a 9mm would be any different.



If I owned anything in 9, I'd be more interested. Hit me up when it comes out in .40

.40 cal hype



 
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 5:46:57 PM EST
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Even if I did, the Nano would still look like shit.
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The Nano looks like shit.
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Even if I did, the Nano would still look like shit.
Looks like an AR?





 
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 5:51:28 PM EST
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Looks like an AR?

 
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Even if I did, the Nano would still look like shit.
Looks like an AR?

 
it looks like a shitty abortion of an AR.
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it looks like a shitty abortion of an AR.
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The Nano looks like shit.
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Even if I did, the Nano would still look like shit.
Looks like an AR?



 
it looks like a shitty abortion of an AR.
Nice waste of post 10,000 hehehehehe



 
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 7:01:19 PM EST
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I might go for the TNW ASP instead.


Link Posted: 2/1/2015 7:17:08 PM EST
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any of you genius boo lit guys can figure the added MV from a carbine barrel on the 9 when compared to the glock bbl?



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What if someone already did it for you?

Here you go
Link Posted: 2/1/2015 7:20:05 PM EST
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Price: $481.75Citadel M-1 9mm Carbine 9mm 18" 10+1 Synthetic Stk Blued Matte - $481.75 + $5.99 S/HCITADEL™ M-1 CARBINE - BLACK SYNTHETIC STOCK •Similar look and feel of the WWII M1-30 carried by U.S. and Allied armed forces •Semi-auto, bolt locking blowback system •Adjustable rear & fixed front sights •6 groove rifling •Twist: 1:10" •Synthetic bayonet lug •Oiler & nylon sling cut-out in stock •Includes (2) 10-round Beretta style 92FS mags Cal.: 9mm - Brl.: 18" SKU#: CIR9M1S UPC#: 682146210194
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1 week agoCompare prices for this model ReportComments (0)Views (3592)

Price: $481.75Citadel M-1 9mm Carbine 9mm 18" 10+1 Synthetic Stk Blued Matte - $481.75 + $5.99 S/HCITADEL™ M-1 CARBINE - BLACK SYNTHETIC STOCK •Similar look and feel of the WWII M1-30 carried by U.S. and Allied armed forces •Semi-auto, bolt locking blowback system •Adjustable rear & fixed front sights •6 groove rifling •Twist: 1:10" •Synthetic bayonet lug •Oiler & nylon sling cut-out in stock •Includes (2) 10-round Beretta style 92FS mags Cal.: 9mm - Brl.: 18" SKU#: CIR9M1S UPC#: 682146210194
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This thing is invisible on the net.  Weird.


1 week agoCompare prices for this model ReportComments (0)Views (3592)

Price: $481.75Citadel M-1 9mm Carbine 9mm 18" 10+1 Synthetic Stk Blued Matte - $481.75 + $5.99 S/HCITADEL™ M-1 CARBINE - BLACK SYNTHETIC STOCK •Similar look and feel of the WWII M1-30 carried by U.S. and Allied armed forces •Semi-auto, bolt locking blowback system •Adjustable rear & fixed front sights •6 groove rifling •Twist: 1:10" •Synthetic bayonet lug •Oiler & nylon sling cut-out in stock •Includes (2) 10-round Beretta style 92FS mags Cal.: 9mm - Brl.: 18" SKU#: CIR9M1S UPC#: 682146210194



Citadel doesn't enjoy a good reputation.
Link Posted: 2/2/2015 4:37:30 AM EST
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Best bet is to form 1 a CZ EVO Skorpion pistol. That thing is going to be a monster seller and is bound to have a shitload of third party support.
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Looks interesting, I may have to add it to the collection.

Oly arms 9mm glock mags
Keltec glock mags with red lion forend - yes thats a silicone pad holder on the forend, suppressor gets toasty.
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Is that the closest you can mount the optic on the Red Lion?
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CX4 Storm is an awesome little carbine.
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What kind of optic and what range is it zeroed at? I've been thinking of a 9mm carbine for hunting at my house.
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I wish there was a SBR / Pistol Length version!  How lethal and at what range is a 9mm with a 16 inch barrel?


I shoot a 5.5" SBR 9mm with 147gr TCMC ammo.

It will hold a 1 MOA group at 100yds.  It (9mm 147) has taken three deer at that range as well.

All have been DRT.

I have a 16" M4 profile in the gunsafe as well.  At 75yds it will cloverleaf 147gr ammo.

TRG


What kind of optic and what range is it zeroed at? I've been thinking of a 9mm carbine for hunting at my house.


ACOG.

Zeroed at 100yds.

TRG
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CX4 Storm is an awesome little carbine.
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CX4 Storm is an awesome little carbine.



The fender flares and Type-R plastic work just seems silly on it.

TRG
Link Posted: 2/2/2015 7:50:04 AM EST
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More glock mag lower. Only saw it mentioned once in this thread.Qc10  with vid
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$550 rifle
$200 tax stamp
$150 cut, rethread, engraving, shipping two ways
$150 new rail
$50 new buttstock

For the cost of that you could almost buy a Lone Wolf 10" Glock AR with a Sig Brace on it.  At least then you'd know what you're getting.


 
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$550 rifle
$200 tax stamp
$150 cut, rethread, engraving, shipping two ways
$150 new rail
$50 new buttstock

For the cost of that you could almost buy a Lone Wolf 10" Glock AR with a Sig Brace on it.  At least then you'd know what you're getting.


 

Link Posted: 2/2/2015 8:22:59 AM EST
[#49]
I'm interested.
Link Posted: 2/2/2015 8:33:49 AM EST
[#50]
Fuck that piece of gay tranny shit! If I'm going 9mm carbine, I'd want the Beretta CX4 Storm.

Better ergos, completely ambidextrous and shorter OAL.



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