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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:11:41 PM EST
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Ugh. In.
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:16:12 PM EST
[#2]
Mandatory PowerPoint presentation to the rescue!
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:17:06 PM EST
[#3]
Hair gel is a drug?
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:17:29 PM EST
[#4]
I have no problem believing that.
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:18:27 PM EST
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If true that reveals some serious issues in the culture of the SEALs.
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:19:14 PM EST
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I've seen some damn drunk ones.
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:19:19 PM EST
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Maybe some seals can write a book about this? Seems they write books about every other god damn thing.
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:21:11 PM EST
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I have no problem believing that. |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:22:36 PM EST
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That would explain Charlie Sheen's dead-on portrayal....
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:23:02 PM EST
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From the article "One SEAL who had tested positive for cocaine last summer tested positive again, this time for prescription drugs. He is being kicked off the teams."
How the fuck do you stay in the Navy after pissing hot for cocaine, let alone stay in the Seal community? That's just a giant WTF for me. |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:23:45 PM EST
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Those guys have always known how to party. I don't know why anyone would be surprised people under that much pressure relieve it the same way the rest of the human race does.
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:24:42 PM EST
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If true that reveals some serious issues in the culture of the SEALs. From the end of an article with interviews with an AD and retired SEALs. I think this says a lot: I’m willing to discuss this because the drugs are just a sign of the deeper issues happening within the SEAL Teams. These corrupted guys and the poor leadership have expanded their power, and they are hardly ever held accountable within the normal military law and accountability system. Most likely the NCIS were too intimidated, or they just trusted what the SEAL Leadership was telling them. It will take more SEALs stepping-up and pointing out the wrong doing, to clean up the SEAL Teams. I didn’t choose this fight and I have nothing to gain from it. In fact, my speaking up puts a target of my back and makes it harder for me to get contract work now that I am retired. Nobody wants to throw their lot in with a whistle-blower. Despite the personal obstacles, I feel I have a moral obligation to step up and correct the problem, so that future SEALs (My Brothers) are led by the best this country has to offer—the way it was when I first joined the Teams. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/selling-the-trident-navy-seals-describe-a-culture-in-crisis-in-their-own-words/ |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:24:49 PM EST
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Meh.... what drugs are we talking here.
Are they smoking a blunt to relax after a long mission/deployment or are we talking meth/coke/heroin here? PEDs? There is a huge definition of the word "drugs" here. |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:25:54 PM EST
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From the article "One SEAL who had tested positive for cocaine last summer tested positive again, this time for prescription drugs. He is being kicked off the teams." How the fuck do you stay in the Navy after pissing hot for cocaine, let alone stay in the Seal community? That's just a giant WTF for me. |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:27:21 PM EST
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So... are the drugs impacting performance, or are people pissing hot and it's causing a fainting fit amongst the drug warriors?
Cocaine cures cancer! |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:27:29 PM EST
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Meh.... what drugs are we talking here. Are they smoking a blunt to relax after a long mission/deployment or are we talking meth/coke/heroin here? PEDs? There is a huge definition of the word "drugs" here. “People that we know of, that we hear about have tested positive for cocaine, methamphetamine, heroin, marijuana, ecstasy,” said a SEAL. “That’s a problem” Sounds like it's a little of everything... I would have expected PEDs and maybe some painkiller addiction, even marijuana, but the harder narcotics use is just retarded. |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:28:08 PM EST
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So are pilots, but we can't do blow and keep our wings....
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:28:13 PM EST
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Probably the ones forced to live in New Jersey.
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:29:48 PM EST
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I recall some mention of drug problems three years ago when a pair of former SEALs on an anti-pirate gig OD'd on heroin on the Maersk Alabama: Link
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:31:07 PM EST
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Meh.... what drugs are we talking here. Are they smoking a blunt to relax after a long mission/deployment or are we talking meth/coke/heroin here? PEDs? There is a huge definition of the word "drugs" here. “People that we know of, that we hear about have tested positive for cocaine, methamphetamine, heroin, marijuana, ecstasy,” said a SEAL. “That’s a problem.” It's also reported to be a higher percentage of positive results than the fleet. |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:33:27 PM EST
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So are pilots, but we can't do blow and keep our wings.... Sounds like leadership isn't on board with zero tolerance. |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:34:03 PM EST
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Sounds like the celebrity status they got after killing OBL is starting to fade away
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One of the most powerful books I have ever read was Fearless and deals with a guy who was a crack addict, and got a second chance to join the teams. He relapsed once on the teams, got caught by a fellow member and stayed on the strait and narrow until he was killed in action 
But this is the like 3rd story to come out about them recently that has shed an unfavorable light on them, and I am sure the commanders are feeling that heat. Shame, I can only image that those guys deal with some incredibly difficult shit and are looking for an easy way to cope. |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:34:41 PM EST
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-There are always guys fucking up and using/abusing drugs.
-Dudes in any .mil units all hang out together A LOT. They usually don't do things alone. -The problem isn't a "PROBLEM" until the first guy pisses hot or gets caught, and the follow-on investigation catches the other guys flying under the radar, then it's a PROBLEM. -The whip cracks, then 8-12 months later when leadership changes, the cycle starts over. |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:37:04 PM EST
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From the link in the OP: “People that we know of, that we hear about have tested positive for cocaine, methamphetamine, heroin, marijuana, ecstasy,” said a SEAL. “That’s a problem.” It's also reported to be a higher percentage of positive results than the fleet. Those guys need help and need to be removed from their positions |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:38:38 PM EST
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Obviously they're injecting HGH directly into their necks. |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:40:31 PM EST
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Does anyone imagine that you can live that life and not be mainlineing something? Get fucking serious. Embrace the life.
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:44:23 PM EST
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Meh, I'm not surprised. I grew up in Jacksonville and several of the actual SEALs I met admitted to having used drugs at least on occasion; and at least one (retired) would brag about how much coke they used to do when on leave. I don't think they did it enough to affect overall performance, but they were definitely still doing it.
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:49:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:...One of the most powerful books I have ever read was Fearless and deals with a guy who was a crack addict, and got a second chance to join the teams. He relapsed once on the teams, got caught by a fellow member and stayed on the strait and narrow until he was killed in action.... |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:49:26 PM EST
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If true that reveals some serious issues in the culture of the SEALs. The answer is realising that taking drugs doesn't guarantee someone is a Monster or a bad person. Maybe it needs to be qualified. But it's easier to get on the ivory tower and look down on people instead. Maybe there's something society can learn here. Nahhhh!! 
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:49:53 PM EST
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Does anyone imagine that you can live that life and not be mainlineing something? Get fucking serious. Embrace the life. |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:52:09 PM EST
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A SEAL is a major asset that represents a huge investment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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From the article "One SEAL who had tested positive for cocaine last summer tested positive again, this time for prescription drugs. He is being kicked off the teams." How the fuck do you stay in the Navy after pissing hot for cocaine, let alone stay in the Seal community? That's just a giant WTF for me.
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:52:28 PM EST
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From the article "One SEAL who had tested positive for cocaine last summer tested positive again, this time for prescription drugs. He is being kicked off the teams." How the fuck do you stay in the Navy after pissing hot for cocaine, let alone stay in the Seal community? That's just a giant WTF for me. |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:53:43 PM EST
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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/06/16/14/355AC30300000578-0-image-m-3_1466083180417.jpg Obviously they're injecting HGH directly into their necks.
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:53:48 PM EST
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By "drug use" do they mean coke and heroin or testosterone and other PEDs?
ETA: Cocaine.
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:55:50 PM EST
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By "drug use" do they mean coke and heroin or testosterone and other PEDs? |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:56:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
By "drug use" do they mean coke and heroin or testosterone and other PEDs? |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:56:17 PM EST
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Those guys have always known how to party. I don't know why anyone would be surprised people under that much pressure relieve it the same way the rest of the human race does. |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:58:28 PM EST
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From the link in the OP: “People that we know of, that we hear about have tested positive for cocaine, methamphetamine, heroin, marijuana, ecstasy,” said a SEAL. “That’s a problem.” It's also reported to be a higher percentage of positive results than the fleet. ETA: I'm not sure what percentages we will see, but I'd expect the illicit drug use to follow a few primary patterns, and in about this order of occurrence... A: Joe just likes being all fucked up (no statement on if they are a "functioning alcoholic/junkie") B: Joe is an extreme risk taker who lives everything to the extreme, breaking drug laws is just another way to distinguish themselves as more extreme than everyone else. C: the saddest one, Joe has mental issues and found a chemical crutch. D: Joe's body can't keep up anymore so he dulls the (actual, physical) pain. E: Joe wants his body (his fundamental weapon) to be the better of any of the competition, enter PED abuse. My personal opinion is shitcan A and B, help C and D salvaging who you can, and smack E hard upside the head (you'll probably need to smack the meathead harder than usual or he might not feel it). |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:58:55 PM EST
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SEALs like to party. This shouldn't be news to anybody lol. Except the liberal media who thinks every SEAL team is SEAL team 6, of course.
SEAL team 6 all the SEAL teams brah! |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:59:12 PM EST
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What? I thought all druggies were unmotivated fuck ups who never accomplish anything. DARE lied to me? Unpossible.
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Posted: 4/12/2017 12:00:24 AM EST
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Does anyone imagine that you can live that life and not be mainlineing something? Get fucking serious. Embrace the life. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 12:04:15 AM EST
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What? I thought all druggies were unmotivated fuck ups who never accomplish anything. DARE lied to me? Unpossible. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 12:06:06 AM EST
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I will admit to shooting up PsychoJet more than once in Boston on an op gone wrong. 
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Posted: 4/12/2017 12:06:28 AM EST
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I would presume that no matter how highly trained a SEAL is in mentally compartmentalizing it's the Carnage they are ordered to do that will get to them eventually.
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Posted: 4/12/2017 12:23:15 AM EST
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I have heard from multiple sources that amphetamines have been prescribed to combatants in every war since World War Two.
Anyone care to call me a liar? |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 12:27:02 AM EST
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Meh.... what drugs are we talking here. Are they smoking a blunt to relax after a long mission/deployment or are we talking meth/coke/heroin here? PEDs? There is a huge definition of the word "drugs" here. Meth or heroin would be quite shocking. Weed, who cares. PEDs, well duh. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 12:29:51 AM EST
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I have heard from multiple sources that amphetamines have been prescribed to combatants in every war since World War Two. Anyone care to call me a liar? Operation Paperclip. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 12:33:59 AM EST
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I have heard from multiple sources that amphetamines have been prescribed to combatants in every war since World War Two. Anyone care to call me a liar? |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 12:37:09 AM EST
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I'll probably regret posting this in the morning but whatever....
I'm willing to bet for a lot of 'operators' roids are the big gateway drug. News flash...alot of dudes are on them, it's always been that way. It is illegal, and yet dudes plow ahead because it helps you perform at the level required. And the moment you cross that line of legality to buy and use illegal PEDs, what the hell is the difference in using illegal recreational drugs to cope, for fun, whatever. I know it will shock a lot of people to know that their Tier Zero heroes juice and have to buy their shit on the downlow like any other gymrat does, but what's the real difference between scoring illegal roids and illegal coke? Like I said....news flash...it's nothing new. Been going on for decades. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 12:37:44 AM EST
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Dudes putting it on the line, and when they get off they let it all hang out. Cant believe this is a new thing. How much drug use went on in Vietnam? Sustained warfare has a toll on the psyche. Even the upper echelon (more so) will feel it. The trends in lack of family life for millennials, constant deployment. It'll be something that JSOC has to deal with. test'em up and weed out. Understandable but a liability for sure.
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