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Posted: 4/12/2017 12:41:13 AM EST
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I have heard from multiple sources that amphetamines have been prescribed to combatants in every war since World War Two. Anyone care to call me a liar? |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 12:46:39 AM EST
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If true that reveals some serious issues in the culture of the SEALs. These guys are pushing the limits of their bodies and their bodies can't handle it so drugs come into play. Whether it be PEDs or pain killers. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 12:51:58 AM EST
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Doesn't surprise me at all. I've heard from multiple people who served in ranger battalions that steroids are practically a unwritten requirement for most guys to do their job. And as the poster above mentioned once you make a contact for getting one drug. Getting other types of drugs for recreation isn't that huge of a leap.
If anything I think that this just shows the hypocrisy of the war on drugs. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 12:52:16 AM EST
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Well in that case things need to change. Drug addicts cannot do their jobs properly because drugs start to run their life. Those guys need help and need to be removed from their positions Quote HistoryQuoted:
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From the link in the OP: “People that we know of, that we hear about have tested positive for cocaine, methamphetamine, heroin, marijuana, ecstasy,” said a SEAL. “That’s a problem.” It's also reported to be a higher percentage of positive results than the fleet. Those guys need help and need to be removed from their positions |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 12:55:11 AM EST
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I'll probably regret posting this in the morning but whatever.... I'm willing to bet for a lot of 'operators' roids are the big gateway drug. News flash...alot of dudes are on them, it's always been that way. It is illegal, and yet dudes plow ahead because it helps you perform at the level required. And the moment you cross that line of legality to buy and use illegal PEDs, what the hell is the difference in using illegal recreational drugs to cope, for fun, whatever. I know it will shock a lot of people to know that their Tier Zero heroes juice and have to buy their shit on the downlow like any other gymrat does, but what's the real difference between scoring illegal roids and illegal coke? Like I said....news flash...it's nothing new. Been going on for decades. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 12:58:39 AM EST
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Seems I ranked category E too low then. Could you guesstimate a semi accurate percentage of PED use in the community? |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:08:09 AM EST
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No. My personal experience is way outdated, and PED science has advanced light years. It would be stupid for me to even venture a guess, but I have to imagine the numbers have trended up and not down. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:11:49 AM EST
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It happens. A bunch of Team Guys got popped selling ecstasy in Thailand. You also have a case like Adam Brown. Adam smoked crack before and as a SEAL. He had a demon. He kicked it and went on to DEVGRU to die a warriors death saving his brothers. I knew Adam personally, and thought the world of him.
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:12:11 AM EST
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Friends that serve/served in line units have had a hard enough time over the last nearly 20 years of high tempo, and very little downtime to deflate.
Seal Teams, and other special forces groups already full of hard charging risk takers, that haven't had much of a break in nearly 20 years when it comes to hardcore drugs? I can see going beyond the hard party booze slamming like the way the original Seals did 1960's era who wrote books about their lives I own. Boozes is nothing to a ton of people in general now days though. So coke, Roids, and so on. Can see it. 8( |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:16:33 AM EST
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Crazy notion, but has anyone considered the option of putting these guys under a legit MD supervised PED regimen? Recent article about brain wave stimulation testing: http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/04/05/navy-seals-testing-electrical-brain-stimulation-technology/ |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:20:00 AM EST
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A little bit of coke never hurt anybody. They're big boys
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:23:28 AM EST
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From the article "One SEAL who had tested positive for cocaine last summer tested positive again, this time for prescription drugs. He is being kicked off the teams." How the fuck do you stay in the Navy after pissing hot for cocaine, let alone stay in the Seal community? That's just a giant WTF for me. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:29:58 AM EST
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Work hard, play hard
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:57:28 AM EST
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What? I thought all druggies were unmotivated fuck ups who never accomplish anything. DARE lied to me? Unpossible. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 2:02:28 AM EST
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I'll probably regret posting this in the morning but whatever.... I'm willing to bet for a lot of 'operators' roids are the big gateway drug. News flash...alot of dudes are on them, it's always been that way. It is illegal, and yet dudes plow ahead because it helps you perform at the level required. And the moment you cross that line of legality to buy and use illegal PEDs, what the hell is the difference in using illegal recreational drugs to cope, for fun, whatever. I know it will shock a lot of people to know that their Tier Zero heroes juice and have to buy their shit on the downlow like any other gymrat does, but what's the real difference between scoring illegal roids and illegal coke? Like I said....news flash...it's nothing new. Been going on for decades. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 2:04:30 AM EST
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Doesn't surprise me at all. I've heard from multiple people who served in ranger battalions that steroids are practically a unwritten requirement for most guys to do their job. And as the poster above mentioned once you make a contact for getting one drug. Getting other types of drugs for recreation isn't that huge of a leap. If anything I think that this just shows the hypocrisy of the war on drugs. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 4:27:31 AM EST
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I will admit to shooting up PsychoJet more than once in Boston on an op gone wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does anyone imagine that you can live that life and not be mainlineing something? Get fucking serious. Embrace the life. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 4:39:40 AM EST
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Sounds like courts martial time to me.
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Posted: 4/12/2017 4:42:57 AM EST
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A sign of the decay and rot spreading throughout the Western World.
Its happened before, will happen again. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 4:45:42 AM EST
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If we simply made those drugs illegal to sell or possess, then they wouldn't be able to get them anymore. Problem solved.
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Posted: 4/12/2017 4:53:29 AM EST
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Posted: 4/12/2017 5:05:06 AM EST
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“People that we know of, that we hear about have tested positive for cocaine, methamphetamine, heroin, marijuana, ecstasy,” said a SEAL. “That’s a problem.” |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 5:07:55 AM EST
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A sign of the decay and rot spreading throughout the Western World. Its happened before, will happen again. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 5:10:32 AM EST
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Or perhaps a sign of the decay and rot spreading that was synonymous with the last Administration. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 5:17:09 AM EST
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So they're doing drugs. Shocking. Hope they enjoy them and are careful about being caught, I image they could use a good buzz now and again.
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Posted: 4/12/2017 5:19:16 AM EST
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Does anyone imagine that you can live that life and not be mainlineing something? Get fucking serious. Embrace the life. No fucking excuses |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 5:27:44 AM EST
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Mandatory PowerPoint presentation to the rescue! 
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Posted: 4/12/2017 5:32:04 AM EST
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I have no sympathy for abusers of Motrin.
All hail the mighty cure all = MOTRIN. MOTRIN rules all! or so says every military doctor, hospital or clinic I've ever been to. ------------------------ Why does every documentary, news report, book, or article on Navy SEALS always have to show them carrying telephone poles? Yet I've never seen them putting up telephone poles, not even in pictures. With all the carrying them around you would think they were at least going to install a couple, or maybe hook up comms or power on them but you never see that. Just carrying them around. What's the classification on why they are carrying them around? What's the mission? |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 5:36:46 AM EST
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Seriously, those guys do the dirty work of the entire nation, help those who can't help themselves, go into places and situations that most sane people would say "hell no".
So if they slip up = HELP THEM! |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 6:19:57 AM EST
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Is it worse that Vietnam? No more Green Hornets?
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Posted: 4/12/2017 6:27:33 AM EST
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5 SEALS piss hot, lol. I remember that weekend 30+ people in my Battalion pissed hot, and that one time 8th Marines had a whole company piss hot on a float.
times are a changing I guess |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 6:37:02 AM EST
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I'm not surprised at all with the lives these guys lead and the fact they all have type A personalities.
The training and OP tempo combined with 6-9 months every year away from home would mentally break most people in short order. Throw in a high injury rate and the fact that the military doses them at time with amphetamines at times for operations and I don't know why anyone should be surprised when a higher percentage start using extracurricular drugs. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 6:38:14 AM EST
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A sign of the decay and rot spreading throughout the Western World. Its happened before, will happen again. I mean FFS, it's not like they were freebasing freshly collected infants blood |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 6:42:31 AM EST
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A little bit of coke never hurt anybody. They're big boys 
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Posted: 4/12/2017 6:48:00 AM EST
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Let's be honest, PED use among SOF is a thing and most people who don't have blinders on know it.
Cocaine and meth are different. The failure of leadership to take any action in response to this is pitiful. This is what happens when you have hero worship at an organizational level, combined with the Navy's habit of covering up embarrassing scandals by firing an officer or two and saying the problem's fixed. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 6:51:04 AM EST
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Those guys have always known how to party. I don't know why anyone would be surprised people under that much pressure relieve it the same way the rest of the human race does. They're only human. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 6:53:10 AM EST
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Hair gel is a drug? |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 6:53:58 AM EST
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Someone is going to write a book about r and get rich.
Lone survivor: Heroin edition. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 6:56:06 AM EST
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Meh.... what drugs are we talking here. Are they smoking a blunt to relax after a long mission/deployment or are we talking meth/coke/heroin here? PEDs? There is a huge definition of the word "drugs" here. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 6:56:59 AM EST
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Dudes putting it on the line, and when they get off they let it all hang out. Cant believe this is a new thing. How much drug use went on in Vietnam? Sustained warfare has a toll on the psyche. Even the upper echelon (more so) will feel it. The trends in lack of family life for millennials, constant deployment. It'll be something that JSOC has to deal with. test'em up and weed out. Understandable but a liability for sure. If it wasn't for books and hollywood, they would have been disbanded. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 6:57:43 AM EST
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What decay and rot are you alluding to? I mean FFS, it's not like they were freebasing freshly collected infants blood Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A sign of the decay and rot spreading throughout the Western World. Its happened before, will happen again. I mean FFS, it's not like they were freebasing freshly collected infants blood 
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Posted: 4/12/2017 6:57:43 AM EST
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From Task & Purpose:
Salata told Task & Purpose that in November 2016, the Navy conducted a “no-notice sweep” of all 6,364 Naval Special Warfare units returning to their posts from Thanksgiving — a sweep that returned only seven positives for drug use. http://taskandpurpose.com/navy-seals-drug-use-cbs-report/?utm_content=tp-facebook&utm_campaign=news&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 7:00:32 AM EST
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From Task & Purpose: 0.1% is hardly widespread IMO. The Navy overall had a 0.2% rate of substance abuse. http://taskandpurpose.com/navy-seals-drug-use-cbs-report/?utm_content=tp-facebook&utm_campaign=news&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social Quote HistoryQuoted:
From Task & Purpose: Salata told Task & Purpose that in November 2016, the Navy conducted a “no-notice sweep” of all 6,364 Naval Special Warfare units returning to their posts from Thanksgiving — a sweep that returned only seven positives for drug use. http://taskandpurpose.com/navy-seals-drug-use-cbs-report/?utm_content=tp-facebook&utm_campaign=news&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 7:01:08 AM EST
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In the late 80s, at my first job, I worked with a 30ish engineer who had been a USMC Recon guy.
He was talking about training with NATO partners and other US .mil groups, and he specifically described SEALs as being "speed freaks". I knew an SF officer in the mid 80s who told me he had used steroids for a bit in the 70s; they were legal at that time, though. he got off them because they made him really violent. fighter pilots used to have access to stimulant pills. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 7:07:24 AM EST
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I didn't know there were that many SEALs.
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Posted: 4/12/2017 7:17:33 AM EST
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No Mr. Seal drugs are bad. Here is your Med Kit for the next mission we have uppers, downers, opioids, anti anxiety, muscle relaxers, just in case. don't worry about the long flight time the USAF gives the pilots Meth.
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Posted: 4/12/2017 7:20:47 AM EST
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Seriously, those guys do the dirty work of the entire nation, help those who can't help themselves, go into places and situations that most sane people would say "hell no". So if they slip up = HELP THEM! I served in the immediate years after Viet Nam. Pot use was rampant and notorious, if not completely open. Booze was a huge problem. The worst were useless in the shop or at the dormitory. I had to walk the paperwork around for one of the worst of our heroes while she rehabbed at Walter Reed; she was one of those all the party, all the time types. Useless to the US, let alone her squadron or shop. One of the boozers landed in the psych ward at the Portsmouth Naval Hospital; another distraction and extra work for his team mates. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 7:26:28 AM EST
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Drug use is going to happen... We have majorly ramped up our DDR program in the last couple years and kicked out some turds. The AF has a straight zero tolerance policy. You piss hot, you get the fuck out. I have heard there are exceptionally rare cases where the member may be retained, but it's basically an act of God.
Almost everyone who gets caught is a minor asset anyway. The good guys tend to stay on the straight and narrow it seems. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 7:28:29 AM EST
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I have heard from multiple sources that amphetamines have been prescribed to combatants in every war since World War Two. Anyone care to call me a liar? |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 7:28:38 AM EST
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Thanks Obama.
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