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Link Posted: 8/10/2019 7:20:17 AM EDT
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They should be more worried about "sniper rifles".  Those would be far more useful for things.
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One thing at a time, one thing at a time. They will get to the FUDD guns, once the rest are taken away.
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 7:20:38 AM EDT
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So, just for perspective, what are the involuntarily civil mental health commitment laws like there?
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Yup, there are already ways to control dangerous people. RFL is about denying gun ownership to a much broader group of people.
So, just for perspective, what are the involuntarily civil mental health commitment laws like there?
Over here it's very difficult to have someone involuntarily committed, but the police can deny gun licenses for a host of reasons.
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 7:20:41 AM EDT
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Sure seems that technology in the future is headed in the direction of favoring the individual's defensive capability.

Be interesting to see what happens when populations in places like China or Cuba begin to achieve to access.
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 7:21:14 AM EDT
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Tens of millions of parts in circulation. Home manufacturing technologies getting better every year. AR design is a half century old. The country is filled with machinists and mechanically inclined people.

Ban might stop some complete buffoon from getting a semi-auto rifle, but not anybody with a modicum of patience and aptitude.
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 7:22:54 AM EDT
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A 30 minute trip to a small gun store in 2012 and I watched probably 30 ar15s go out the door in about 30 minutes.

15 million is probably just Anderson stripped receivers in Arfcom hands.
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 7:30:40 AM EDT
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When the Dems get in power again, they'll ban new sales, and make it illegal to sell, transfer, or inherit existing guns.  Once the current owner dies, you're required to turn them in for destruction.  And they'll require registration, so it can be enforced.

And they'll make current ownership difficult for existing owners.   Illegal to take across state lines, yearly registration fees, etc.

Sure, there will be plenty that are off the radar at first, but it will dwindle.  3D printing may offset that, if you can get around the required programming in all 3D printers to refuse to print gun parts. But you'll have to keep them hidden.

There is always a way to try to cram the genie back in the bottle.
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 7:39:41 AM EDT
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"Never mind that a majority of Americans support such a ban."

Citation needed.  Last I checked, the country was bitterly divided on such a ban.  Never mind that this author is a lying sack of shit.
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He is speaking from his opinion perspective in his bubble.

If he is in New York, then New Yorkers are the majority of Americans.
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 7:48:58 AM EDT
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Why do a majority of non gun owners get to say anything about gun ownership???

Like abortion???
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My rifle, my choice?  
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 7:50:59 AM EDT
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When the Dems get in power again, they'll ban new sales, and make it illegal to sell, transfer, or inherit existing guns.  Once the current owner dies, you're required to turn them in for destruction.  And they'll require registration, so it can be enforced.

And they'll make current ownership difficult for existing owners.   Illegal to take across state lines, yearly registration fees, etc.

Sure, there will be plenty that are off the radar at first, but it will dwindle.  3D printing may offset that, if you can get around the required programming in all 3D printers to refuse to print gun parts. But you'll have to keep them hidden.

There is always a way to try to cram the genie back in the bottle.
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Well just have be like the Dems, they can vote for ever, we can own forever.  Death is just a new beginning.
THEM! Those are grampas guns, now where is grampa?
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 8:15:23 AM EDT
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I hope Anderson and PSA keep selling all the low cost low quality items they possibly can.  I want to see these numbers going up, up, up, up for this exact reason.
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Just gonna leave this here.
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 8:18:20 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/10/2019 8:28:02 AM EDT
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He is speaking from his opinion perspective in his bubble.

If he is in New York, then New Yorkers are the majority of Americans.
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The simple majority of votes in 2016 went to Hillary.

There’s more of them than us.
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 8:31:15 AM EDT
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From the comments.

"Todd Kenneth Dwyer
Santa Clara, California6h ago
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Ban all semiautomatic rifles, pistols and shotguns; only revolvers, bolt-action rifles and double-barrel shotguns would be legal.

Offer twice the MSRP of any newly banned weapon ($2K for an AR or AK; same for a high-end semi-auto pistol or rifle).  If there are 15-million AR/AK platforms, that would work out to $30-billion (how much did we spend on the Iraq war)?

The folks who own these things -- in the bush-belt, the bubba-belt, the bible-belt, the venison-belt, the fenatnyl belt -- they could probably use the cash to buy/replace all their banned weapons with some really nice hunting rifles, revolvers and shotguns, and still come away with lots of money in their pocket.

Bolt-action rifles, revolvers and double-barrel shotguns don't take high-capacity magazines; after two, four or six shots, you need to reload.  No bolt-action rifle, revolver or double-barrel shotguns are capable of producing the kind of carnage we've seen in Columbine, Orlando, Sandy Hook, Las Vegas, El Paso or Dayton.

And here's the beauty of it: nobody's right to keep and bear arms would be infringed.  People would be prevented from buying and/or owning semiautomatic firearms the same way they are prevented from buying or owning hand grenades, mortars and Stinger surface-to-air missiles.

There would be a one-year grace period to sell the newly banned guns back.  After that time, you face time.

Common sense gun control -- what's wrong with that?"

"David Wiswell
USA6h ago
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We as a nation cured ourselves of slavery, at great cost and with residual problems but we did it.  We can cure ourselves of this blood lust by calling out these weapons for what they are and expressing our disgust as a society for those without the moral courage to act decisively to get these murder weapons out of our society.  We should no longer tolerate the very idea of supporting weapons for mass murder, it should become as repugnant as child sexual abuse, just totally unacceptable in civil society."

"Michael Barr
Athens, OhioAug. 9
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Sure, military style weapons will be here in the long term.  But outlawing their manufacturing and promoting buy-back programs can make a significant dent in their numbers. That alone will save lives.

And sure, cultural changes are needed too.  Remember when smoking cigarettes was considered "cool?"  Then it wasn't, and rates dropped markedly.  What if the same thing happened with guns?

For instance, if women refused to date men who are
gun-focused (that would include all who have assault type weapons). That might help.  Let's face it: the shooters are overwhelmingly male.  These gun guys typically have arsenals and often wouldn't think about leaving home without "packing heat." Shun them.  Yes, it's no magic bullet, but it might prevent a few tragedies."
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Those dummies.

Ms-13 guy 1: "Whacho wan do today?"

Ms-13 guy 2: "Lesse if we can get some new guns at that buyback!"

They'll have to have swat teams and sniper overwatch guarding the "buyback" locations for years.  A truck load of guns with serials tied to other people would become very very valuable.
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 8:31:18 AM EDT
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They will never confiscate SAs...logistics are just astronomical. What they will do is ban the sale of  popular SA ammo.
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 8:34:02 AM EDT
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The simple majority of votes in 2016 went to Hillary.

There’s more of them than us.
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Yea but how many of her votes were actually legit?
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 10:04:25 AM EDT
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That's after semi auto rifles and then pistols. They won't anger the fudds just yet.
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 10:19:03 AM EDT
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Yes today AR's are the most popular type of gun sold I believe. The irony of it is they weren't very popular at all until they tried to ban them. The banners created a monster, let pandora out of her box so to say and there is no going back.
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 10:46:24 AM EDT
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The comments are full of epic derp and butthurt.
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 10:53:40 AM EDT
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Boom Chaka Laka

It's Too Late to Ban Assault Weapons
The half-life of military-style rifles ensures they'll be with us for many generations. Time to deal with the world as it is.
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With proper care and maintenance, an AR-15 rifle manufactured today will fire just as effectively in the year 2119 and probably for decades after that.

There are currently around 15 million military-style rifles in civilian hands in the United States. They are very rarely used in suicides or crimes. But when they are, the bloodshed is appalling.

Acknowledging the grim reality that we will live among these guns indefinitely is a necessary first step toward making the nation safer. Frustratingly, calling for military-style rifles bans  as I have done for years  may be making other lifesaving gun laws harder to pass.

President Trump on Wednesday  touring two mass shooting sites in Ohio and Texas  said that "there is no political appetite" for a new ban of assault weapons. Never mind that a majority of Americans support such a ban.

Short of forced confiscation or a major cultural shift, our great-great-great-grandchildren will live side-by-side with the guns we have today and make tomorrow. That also means that we're far closer to the beginning of the plague of mass public shootings with military-style weapons than we are to the end. Little wonder that major companies are now including mass shootings in their risk to shareholder filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
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Not only is confiscation politically untenable  the compliance rates of gun owners when bans are passed are laughably low. The distribution of these weapons across society makes even their prohibition nearly impossible. In 1996, Australia launched a mandatory gun buyback of 650,000 military-style weapons. While gun ownership per capita in the country declined by more than 20 percent, today Australians own more guns than they did before the buyback. New Zealand's leaders, in the wake of the Christchurch massacre, launched a compulsory buyback effort for the tens of thousands of military-style weapons estimated to be in the country.

For context: In 2016 alone, more than one million military-style weapons were added to America's existing civilian arsenal, according to industry estimates.

Not only are the number of total guns in America orders of magnitude larger than other nations, the political imagination is far less ambitious. Consider a federal assault weapons ban that Democrats introduced this year. It is purely a messaging bill since there was no chance it will win support from Republicans and become law. Yet even this thought experiment falls far short: The bill bans military-style weapons, except for the millions of military-style weapons already in circulation.
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My take:  Can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.  So, shoot  your AR's all you want, there's plenty more where they came from.
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Nope- it's a challenge yo progressives to go big or shut up. Doubt if the author  will volunteer to be the #1 man in the door stack when it comes time to enforce.
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 11:02:26 AM EDT
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This is an important lesson.  In the face of prohibition, flood the zone.

Gays did it with the culture.  Despite prohibitions, they continued on with their lifestyles until the culture turned their way, or just gave up.

Illegals are doing it by flooding the border.

Marijuana, ditto.

National debt?  Pffft!

Lesson: make the issue so huge it cannot be legislated away.  Gun owners can do it by buying more guns.  That's the gist of the article IMO.

I think we've already won, but now is not the time to rest on our laurels.
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 11:38:25 AM EDT
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"Never mind that a majority of Americans support such a ban."

Citation needed.  Last I checked, the country was bitterly divided on such a ban.  Never mind that this author is a lying sack of shit.
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More than half of Americans pee while sitting down.  Perhaps there should be a federal ban on urinals?  
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 12:14:01 PM EDT
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Yes today AR's are the most popular type of gun sold I believe. The irony of it is they weren't very popular at all until they tried to ban them. The banners created a monster, let pandora out of her box so to say and there is no going back.
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This has to be one of the dumbest things they do (and that’s out of a huge pile of other dumb stuff they do).

Every time they bleat about a ban, literally millions more semi-autos fly off the gun store wall...
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 12:23:11 PM EDT
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Just gonna leave this here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3eQGOCHsi4
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I hope Anderson and PSA keep selling all the low cost low quality items they possibly can.  I want to see these numbers going up, up, up, up for this exact reason.
Just gonna leave this here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3eQGOCHsi4
That was awesome.
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 2:23:13 PM EDT
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When the Dems get in power again, they'll ban new sales, and make it illegal to sell, transfer, or inherit existing guns.  Once the current owner dies, you're required to turn them in for destruction.  And they'll require registration, so it can be enforced.

And they'll make current ownership difficult for existing owners.   Illegal to take across state lines, yearly registration fees, etc.

Sure, there will be plenty that are off the radar at first, but it will dwindle.  3D printing may offset that, if you can get around the required programming in all 3D printers to refuse to print gun parts. But you'll have to keep them hidden.

There is always a way to try to cram the genie back in the bottle.
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I don't foresee compliance with registration any more than when gentle, apologetic and mildly socialist Canada did and theirs never reached more than about a 15% compliance rate.
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 6:48:40 PM EDT
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"Even if impractical, expensive and potentially dangerous, if it saves only one life" is what they will say.

And you guys think way too small.

All it would take is making gun owners into non persons to gain pretty high compliance.
The information is out there, all it will take is someone to consolidate and filter it.
(like Google, who has been developing and test driving just such a system in China).

Yes, you aren't going to get them all and yes, people would die.

But individual life is cheap to the goals of the collective. Especially that of cops and gun owners.

Watching cops die and/or kill gun owners for the left would be like us watching the KKK and Antifa fight to the death.
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 6:56:56 PM EDT
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This has to be one of the dumbest things they do (and that's out of a huge pile of other dumb stuff they do).

Every time they bleat about a ban, literally millions more semi-autos fly off the gun store wall...
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I bet the gun factories are running full tilt for a few weeks in anticipation of what will happen. a good panic is what gun companies need right now.
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 7:06:35 PM EDT
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I think a railgun could be done at home, thing what a BB running at 20 or 30 thousand feet per second would do to a target, even limited life the shots it would shoot would mist a target.
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A 5.4gr .177 BB at 25,000fps would give you almost twice the energy of a 357 H&H.
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 7:57:17 PM EDT
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After reading the article linked above, I posted it on a Doctors-only website. It has plenty of liberals and "common sense gun law" people on it. But there are a surprising number of physicians whose views align with many ARFcommer's views. I'll be interested to see what comments come up. I'll post up any really good ones.
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 8:01:58 PM EDT
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His number is low.

Right now the country is arguing about what kind of lock to put on the barn door, after 20 million horses have already left.
Link Posted: 8/10/2019 8:42:09 PM EDT
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I give away everything but the stripped lower for select young men to buy.  They love assembling their own.  Once they find out how easy it is, two thirds will assemble another one or two custom builds. Black Rifle Disease is easy to spread.

The NRA deriding video games is derp.  Most young shooters interest originated in games or Airsoft.  These people would be Democrats if it weren’t for this wedge issue. It’s the one area where the left is misreading the culture.
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