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Posted: 6/28/2020 9:01:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not the plumbers fault. Framers can move floor joists, plumbers can't move toilets. how are you going to properly box it in with the pipe installed? plumber should of told the GC to get it boxed in ASAP so he can do the job correctly. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 9:12:23 AM EDT
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Spouse and I were looking to buy new custom construction some years back in a new subdivision. Went for a spin through the area to see the crews working.
Studs that weren't the right length being toe nailed into place anyway. Guys using caulk instead of grout on tile floors. Drywallers drywalling in a closet so that it had no doorway. That was a hard pass. People we knew that bought into that subdivision were fixing problems for years after buying. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 9:13:04 AM EDT
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That's a hard no, there....
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Posted: 6/28/2020 9:16:19 AM EDT
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Not on the topic, but why you Americans are so obsesed of wood constructed houses ?
Regular two story home with a basement, 1500 sq ft each floor , build by reinforced concrete frame [ columns, load-bearing walls, floors ] and brick walls costs 100k-150k euros [ $115k-$170k ] over here . Isn't it similar in the US ? What's the cons of this type of constructions in the USA ? Something like this , for example :   |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 9:16:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who runs abs in new construction? And that looks like a 2” line, not a toilet. I was thinking the same thing. They should use PB water lines to complement the ABS throwback. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 9:20:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Particle board subfloor.....LOL Might as well go cheap on everything else. Edit: Excuse me....."engineered wood" I've never seen actual plywood used as subfloor in new construction. I use 3/4 OSB that has tongue and groove joints. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 9:28:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was thinking the same thing. They should use PB water lines to complement the ABS throwback. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Who runs abs in new construction? And that looks like a 2" line, not a toilet. I was thinking the same thing. They should use PB water lines to complement the ABS throwback. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 9:30:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've never seen actual plywood used as subfloor in new construction. I use 3/4 OSB that has tongue and groove joints. I’ll take 3/4” osb subfloor any day over plywood. Stiffer, stronger, waterproof, it’s tongue and groove and it’s actually flat and square. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 9:32:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure its not the toilet exhaust but tub's or bathroom floor's siphon . I don’t see s stack anywhere for a toilet. I’m betting it’s a kitchen sink in. An island that was added in by the customer after Framing was completed. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 9:34:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Need this for structural integrity https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/255759/EC599A58-EB9E-4971-AFC1-2292EB666D90_jpe-1480076.JPG Hell, thats how ive done it on old single wide mobile home where i fixed rotted floor. Gotta have supports. Cant believe plumber / contractor thought it was ok to leave it in OP’s pic |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 9:38:54 AM EDT
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Got paid to sister a joist in a basement this week. 8" of its 9" depth had been cut out for the p-trap of the tub above. It was a big tub, and the homeowners were big people.
I can understand a plumber saying, not my problem, architect and framers screwed up. It's a crappy move, but hey, they're plumbers.  But were was the builder? How do you walk through, see what the plumber did and not care or do anything about it?
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Posted: 6/28/2020 9:41:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't see s stack anywhere for a toilet. I'm betting it's a kitchen sink in. An island that was added in by the customer after Framing was completed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Pretty sure its not the toilet exhaust but tub's or bathroom floor's siphon . I don't see s stack anywhere for a toilet. I'm betting it's a kitchen sink in. An island that was added in by the customer after Framing was completed. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 9:43:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know the framers don't give a shit about the plumbing. Benefit of being first on the job. how are you going to properly box it in with the pipe installed? plumber should of told the GC to get it boxed in ASAP so he can do the job correctly. The framer will just cut the pipe and the plumbers will fix it when the framer is done. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 9:44:04 AM EDT
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These are the sorts of things Ahmad Arbery was trying to investigate.
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Posted: 6/28/2020 9:44:26 AM EDT
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Looks a lot like my work
  
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Posted: 6/28/2020 9:46:55 AM EDT
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Has anyone mentioned the plywood edge is 1" past the cut in the joist?
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Posted: 6/28/2020 9:49:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not on the topic, but why you Americans are so obsesed of wood constructed houses ? Regular two story home with a basement, 1500 sq ft each floor , build by reinforced concrete frame [ columns, load-bearing walls, floors ] and brick walls costs 100k-150k euros [ $115k-$170k ] over here . Isn't it similar in the US ? What's the cons of this type of constructions in the USA ? Something like this , for example : http://www.mybgagent.com/images/pi_100769_2.jpg http://www.mybgagent.com/images/pi_100771_4.jpg Because it's quick, cheap, and can be constructed by relatively unskilled labor. I'd rather have a house built like the one in that picture, but something similar would probably cost $300-500k to build here with all the specialized skilled labor required, vs 200k or so for something stick built. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 9:52:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not on the topic, but why you Americans are so obsesed of wood constructed houses ? Regular two story home with a basement, 1500 sq ft each floor , build by reinforced concrete frame [ columns, load-bearing walls, floors ] and brick walls costs 100k-150k euros [ $115k-$170k ] over here . Isn't it similar in the US ? What's the cons of this type of constructions in the USA ? Something like this , for example : http://www.mybgagent.com/images/pi_100769_2.jpg http://www.mybgagent.com/images/pi_100771_4.jpg Concrete construction is not rare in many parts of the US but wood frame is generally cheaper. I don't think you'd do new construction in the US for a house like that for that amount. People also like new more here, and as styles of design in houses get outdated they are hard to sell. You can date a neighborhood in the US by the predominant home style, and there are tons of neighborhoods around here for instance that are almost nothing but mid 70s split levels that are really hard to sell. "Open concept" has been a big thing here for a while but I'm sure it will change before long too. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 9:55:17 AM EDT
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N/M... pic got me looking all wonky
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Posted: 6/28/2020 9:56:17 AM EDT
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Woah lol
maybe they're coming back to head it off? |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 9:57:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Plumbers should know better  Apartment complex in grand haven we wired had 30 somthing hit or cut up by the plumbers They had to cut holes in the building and slide in new joists |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 10:00:48 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Need this for structural integrity https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/255759/EC599A58-EB9E-4971-AFC1-2292EB666D90_jpe-1480076.JPG Ideally, the architect would be paying attention and not put a toilet or shower drain directly on top of a joist though. Some have mentioned it could have been a change order though, that would explain it. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 10:06:36 AM EDT
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That's going to be one noisy/squeaky floor in about 6 months.
Those joists look to be white-wood, not even Doug fir, which is bad enough for floor joists. When all those joists dry and shrink, that floor is going to be very substandard. Maybe they use really thick carpet. Or maybe they are using some type of gyp-crete on the floor. That might buy them some forgiveness for cheap joists. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 10:07:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Concrete construction is not rare in many parts of the US but wood frame is generally cheaper. I don't think you'd do new construction in the US for a house like that for that amount. People also like new more here, and as styles of design in houses get outdated they are hard to sell. You can date a neighborhood in the US by the predominant home style, and there are tons of neighborhoods around here for instance that are almost nothing but mid 70s split levels that are really hard to sell. "Open concept" has been a big thing here for a while but I'm sure it will change before long too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not on the topic, but why you Americans are so obsesed of wood constructed houses ? Regular two story home with a basement, 1500 sq ft each floor , build by reinforced concrete frame [ columns, load-bearing walls, floors ] and brick walls costs 100k-150k euros [ $115k-$170k ] over here . Isn't it similar in the US ? What's the cons of this type of constructions in the USA ? Something like this , for example : http://www.mybgagent.com/images/pi_100769_2.jpg http://www.mybgagent.com/images/pi_100771_4.jpg Concrete construction is not rare in many parts of the US but wood frame is generally cheaper. I don't think you'd do new construction in the US for a house like that for that amount. People also like new more here, and as styles of design in houses get outdated they are hard to sell. You can date a neighborhood in the US by the predominant home style, and there are tons of neighborhoods around here for instance that are almost nothing but mid 70s split levels that are really hard to sell. "Open concept" has been a big thing here for a while but I'm sure it will change before long too. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 10:25:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's going to be one noisy/squeaky floor in about 6 months. Those joists look to be white-wood, not even Doug fir, which is bad enough for floor joists. When all those joists dry and shrink, that floor is going to be very substandard. Maybe they use really thick carpet. Or maybe they are using some type of gyp-crete on the floor. That might buy them some forgiveness for cheap joists. So I'm building a home next year and I'll be spec'ing it. I want to do my floors like this... i-joists (sized for the span) with glue in the hangers or on the ledger depending on how it ends up getting built Huber advantech 23/32" decking glued and screwed uponor radiant heating maxxon thermafloor tile or engineered hardwood Is that going to get me a pretty good floor or should I got to the 7/8 or 1" decking? this i MY HOUSE, so cheap or fast and get to the next job are not considerations. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 10:27:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Plumbers should know better "Not my job" |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 10:28:19 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not the plumbers fault. Framers can move floor joists, plumbers can't move toilets. See?
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Posted: 6/28/2020 11:00:16 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't see s stack anywhere for a toilet. I'm betting it's a kitchen sink in. An island that was added in by the customer after Framing was completed. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 11:04:40 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thats a perfect example of how it should be done. I'm half tempted to keep an eye on this one house to see if they fix it up before drywalling over it and walking off..... The house is north of 400k so I'd expect better to be honest. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Need this for structural integrity https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/255759/EC599A58-EB9E-4971-AFC1-2292EB666D90_jpe-1480076.JPG The house is north of 400k so I'd expect better to be honest. $400k here gets you a fucking shack that's a piece of shit from day 1. lowest quality materials, lowest bidders, etc. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 11:10:57 AM EDT
[#30]
Just bridge it with a few strips of
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Posted: 6/28/2020 12:14:27 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yea, That needs to be boxed
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Posted: 6/28/2020 12:16:05 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait. So you just walked into a new construction house? Were you just jogging by?  
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Posted: 6/28/2020 12:26:54 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've never seen actual plywood used as subfloor in new construction. I use 3/4 OSB that has tongue and groove joints. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Particle board subfloor.....LOL Might as well go cheap on everything else. Edit: Excuse me....."engineered wood" I've never seen actual plywood used as subfloor in new construction. I use 3/4 OSB that has tongue and groove joints. We used to do it where actual tile was to be used. Not sure exactly why for that builder. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 12:28:23 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t see s stack anywhere for a toilet. I’m betting it’s a kitchen sink in. An island that was added in by the customer after Framing was completed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Pretty sure its not the toilet exhaust but tub's or bathroom floor's siphon . I don’t see s stack anywhere for a toilet. I’m betting it’s a kitchen sink in. An island that was added in by the customer after Framing was completed. They could have missed the joist then |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 12:32:36 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Has anyone mentioned the plywood edge is 1" past the cut in the joist? That is the tongue and groove connection. Floor sheathing seams run parallel with the joists. @youngandfree |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 12:38:50 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What does plumber rhyme with? Dumb ass can't even steer a Sawzall Guys who make 6 figures with a high school diploma.... |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 12:42:24 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who uses ABS pipe anymore? It's pretty common in the spokane/Seattle area. Farther you get from there the less common it becomes.. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 12:49:26 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hmmm how I see it -left pipe is bathroom sink, the right one bathroom floor's siphon. Both goes in the biggest , perpendicular pipe . Somewhere at the ends of that pipe is the toilet connection, it's no shown on the pic. . Pipe thru the joist is 3" and you can see the toilet flange is already glued on with about 1/4" between fittings. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 12:54:36 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it's standard out west...by code. All of my plastic lines are ABS and my house was built in then late 1990s. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 1:15:18 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You know the framers don't give a shit about the plumbing. Benefit of being first on the job. how are you going to properly box it in with the pipe installed? plumber should of told the GC to get it boxed in ASAP so he can do the job correctly. Shitty framers don't. Framers like me do. We don't work for shitty builders though, since they only seem to want to hire shitty framers. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 1:15:53 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So I'm building a home next year and I'll be spec'ing it. I want to do my floors like this... i-joists (sized for the span) with glue in the hangers or on the ledger depending on how it ends up getting built Huber advantech 23/32" decking glued and screwed uponor radiant heating maxxon thermafloor tile or engineered hardwood Is that going to get me a pretty good floor or should I got to the 7/8 or 1" decking? this i MY HOUSE, so cheap or fast and get to the next job are not considerations. What I found out in my many years of being a builder, is you want to give yourself a margin of error regarding the spans of your I-joists. Don't run them to the max. If you are getting close to the maximum rated span, I would upsize. You are correct in using glue everywhere you can, that is in contact with the joists. Hangars, beams, etc. Around here 3/4 T&G OSB was the standard for the subfloor. They also make an 1-1/8 T&G OSB, but I never used it. Probably wouldn't be a bad idea, though. Carpet would go directly over the OSB. Wherever there was tile, an underlayment, such as Denshield, would be used. My floors were always quiet and solid. You didn't get that springy feeling as you walked. I've actually been in houses under construction, that were built by mass-production builders. As you walked across the floor, the vibration made the ductwork in the ceiling rattle! Not my idea of a quality floor. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 1:18:45 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For the uneducated, why is that bad/wrong? Thanks They cut the floor joist, hence the floor will not have sufficient support there, and will flex/warp, and do other things that a solid joist is supposed to prevent. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 1:19:38 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So I'm building a home next year and I'll be spec'ing it. I want to do my floors like this... i-joists (sized for the span) with glue in the hangers or on the ledger depending on how it ends up getting built Huber advantech 23/32" decking glued and screwed uponor radiant heating maxxon thermafloor tile or engineered hardwood Is that going to get me a pretty good floor or should I got to the 7/8 or 1" decking? this i MY HOUSE, so cheap or fast and get to the next job are not considerations. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's going to be one noisy/squeaky floor in about 6 months. Those joists look to be white-wood, not even Doug fir, which is bad enough for floor joists. When all those joists dry and shrink, that floor is going to be very substandard. Maybe they use really thick carpet. Or maybe they are using some type of gyp-crete on the floor. That might buy them some forgiveness for cheap joists. So I'm building a home next year and I'll be spec'ing it. I want to do my floors like this... i-joists (sized for the span) with glue in the hangers or on the ledger depending on how it ends up getting built Huber advantech 23/32" decking glued and screwed uponor radiant heating maxxon thermafloor tile or engineered hardwood Is that going to get me a pretty good floor or should I got to the 7/8 or 1" decking? this i MY HOUSE, so cheap or fast and get to the next job are not considerations. I know you weren't asking me, but 3/4" T&G is fine for a 16" OC floor. A drop of glue on the bottom of the hanger and the top sides is proper installation for BCIs or TJIs, depending on what your local lot sells. Might want to go a size up, at least on the chords. There are some other things I do other builders don't, but loose lips and all.
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Posted: 6/28/2020 2:10:02 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I know you weren't asking me, but 3/4" T&G is fine for a 16" OC floor. A drop of glue on the bottom of the hanger and the top sides is proper installation for BCIs or TJIs, depending on what your local lot sells. Might want to go a size up, at least on the chords. There are some other things I do other builders don't, but loose lips and all. Yeah, I was going to do that depending on where the ended up. I can always add 2" in my basement if I know in advance. I may want to chat with you soon about your secret tips... Can you be bribed? Yeah, definitely 16". 24" is from the devil!  My sister had a house with 24" joists. Walking down the hall made all the knic-nacs in the master bedroom, which was over the garage, rattle! |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 2:15:55 PM EDT
[#45]
Should double joist on either side . Blocks between and hangers on all connections.
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Posted: 6/28/2020 2:46:38 PM EDT
[#46]
When I was remodeling my bathroom some hack did something similar. Cut the stud to put an elbow to the waste pipe.
I'm still not 100% sure why they did that, because he didn't need to at all. I had to sister a stud there, but luckily there wasn't any structural issues. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 3:52:17 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Plumbers should know better They do know better, but they're the worst offenders when it comes to cutting joists. Most of them just figure it ain't their problem - they need to run drain lines and they cut out any shit that's in their way. Job done. It should be illegal for plumbers to own saws. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 3:58:48 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've never seen actual plywood used as subfloor in new construction. I use 3/4 OSB that has tongue and groove joints. You can get 3/4 inch plywood that is t&g as well it just cost twice as much. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 4:01:22 PM EDT
[#49]
Fucking plumbers, boy! They just dont give a fuck.
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Posted: 6/28/2020 4:03:31 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait. So you just walked into a new construction house? Were you just jogging by?  Attached File |
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