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An FFL I work with looked up his price.
$479 but it's preorder only right now. |
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View Quote I don't YouTube gun dweeb. What's he say about the trigger? Straight pull? Good/bad? |
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Quoted: Bet on it. It's the way to generate continuous media buzz and sales. It's not just a "gun" thing either. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Huh, curious at first now I want one kinda worried in 6 months a rail version will be released and then a RDS ready version Bet on it. It's the way to generate continuous media buzz and sales. It's not just a "gun" thing either. in fairness, if they said "hey we're releasing this model now and an upgraded one in 6 months if you like this!" they'd be eating into their own sales. |
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Quoted: I haven’t seen anything that indicates whether the trigger is or is not a true 1911 style. Everything so far still seems to indicate a straight-back pull, but nothing explicit yet. Unless you’ve seen something else you have a link to? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Not a true 1911 trigger?? And so the reason to replace the Sig P365 or Springfield Hellcat except just to buy a new toy? I haven’t seen anything that indicates whether the trigger is or is not a true 1911 style. Everything so far still seems to indicate a straight-back pull, but nothing explicit yet. Unless you’ve seen something else you have a link to? Kind of doubt it can have a 1911 trigger with a dingus built into the trigger. Just can't get excited about another P365/Hellcat runner-up without something special. Put a 1911 trigger, or make it in 10mm, .40 or 357Sig and I'm in!! (God, not another 9mm. Worse is a slow as shit .45 almost falling out of a midget barrel when S&W introduces that cal next.) If none of you other guys has ever tried a crisp 4lb-5lb 1911 trigger, you need to check it out. There's nothing like it!!!! Over 20 years I've accepted my Glocks and P365 triggers which are OK, but I would welcome a new 10 round 9mm sub-compact just for a true 1911 trigger. I'm out of here before I really piss you guys off. |
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Quoted: So I'm gonna assume you don't think a 2011 is a copy of a 1911? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Copy of the star BM So I'm gonna assume you don't think a 2011 is a copy of a 1911? Word have meaning |
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Quoted: in fairness, if they said "hey we're releasing this model now and an upgraded one in 6 months if you like this!" they'd be eating into their own sales. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Huh, curious at first now I want one kinda worried in 6 months a rail version will be released and then a RDS ready version Bet on it. It's the way to generate continuous media buzz and sales. It's not just a "gun" thing either. in fairness, if they said "hey we're releasing this model now and an upgraded one in 6 months if you like this!" they'd be eating into their own sales. no doubt Im not mad Im trying to decide how mad I'm going to be at myself |
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I like the frame. I like the size. That trigger has aids. No optics cut.
6.8/10 |
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So, it’s bigger, heavier, and holds fewer rounds than a Sig P365, while managing to have a shorter sight radius and no option for RDS?
I guess it’s SA and hammer fired, but unless the trigger is 1911 crisp, does that matter? I guess I’m just not seeing the ‘why’ for this pistol. |
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Quoted: So, it’s bigger, heavier, and holds fewer rounds than a Sig P365, while managing to have a shorter sight radius and no option for RDS? I guess it’s SA and hammer fired, but unless the trigger is 1911 crisp, does that matter? I guess I’m just not seeing the ‘why’ for this pistol. View Quote It's not too difficult to make most hammer fired triggers very crisp. Whether it comes out of the box that way remains to be seen. |
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Quoted: Damn, I might have to come back to S&W. CZ doesn't have browning pattern carry guns with OEM flat triggers (just high end comp guns) so this is very attractive. View Quote @czecherds what about a cz75b SAO? I just picked it up and it has a flat trigger OEM Attached File |
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Quoted: So, it’s bigger, heavier, and holds fewer rounds than a Sig P365, while managing to have a shorter sight radius and no option for RDS? I guess it’s SA and hammer fired, but unless the trigger is 1911 crisp, does that matter? I guess I’m just not seeing the ‘why’ for this pistol. View Quote The beauty about having these choices, there is no why. There's only not for you if it's not your thing. Obviously it's not for you and nobody has to explain why it's for them. At least there's options to choose from and that's a good thing. |
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Quoted: I don't get to post these often enough. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36516/Jimping-2226091.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36516/Lube-2226092.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36516/Stroke-2226093.jpg View Quote Right click, save. Right click, save. Right click, save… |
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Quoted: So, it's bigger, heavier, and holds fewer rounds than a Sig P365, while managing to have a shorter sight radius and no option for RDS? I guess it's SA and hammer fired, but unless the trigger is 1911 crisp, does that matter? I guess I'm just not seeing the 'why' for this pistol. View Quote |
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Quoted: The Star model BM and the old S&W autos had great triggers. It can be done. Not directed at you, but there's way too much talk about trigger pulls here. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I'm am M&P fan (but own and like 1911s). I don't see what the point is if they didn't replicate the amazing trigger of the 1911. The Star model BM and the old S&W autos had great triggers. It can be done. Not directed at you, but there's way too much talk about trigger pulls here. |
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I’m really not one for microcompact pistols. This design would have a lot of potential if they expanded it to a 4” compact and 5” fullsize though. That would certainly be interesting
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I am a huge S&W fan, I own more of their guns than any other single manufacturer. Not sure if I am interested in this?
The smallest gun I can shoot fast and accurately is my Shield. I have an LCP in .380, it's so small I can hit with it, but definitely slower than the Shield. I shoot the G26 similar. The grip isn't long enough for me. The shield is perfect, for me. |
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Quoted: It reminds me of the Spainish Star line of single action auto that where kind of 1911 ish design in the 80s and 90s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Firestar_M43 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Star_M43_Firestar.jpg/1280px-Star_M43_Firestar.jpg View Quote |
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Quoted: No optic cut, no light mount. View Quote No problem, at least for me. For myself, I don't want either of those on a subcompact carry weapon. If I'm going for small, I want small and clean, without extra items hanging off of it. Nightstand or HD weapon is a different story... different job, different tool. YMMV of course. Choices are good. |
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Just messed with one an hour ago. Trigger was nice, slide seemed really easy to rack, had good weight, and it fit my hand better than my P365X. I definitely like it, but I’ll hold off til next year when they release the slide cut/railed version.
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The NEW Smith & Wesson CSX Review: What is it? Interesting.. it's actually lighter than a Shield and holds more rounds. James liked it, however no night sights and not milled for optic (no rail either). I'm sure an aftermarket option for night sights will be available, but SIG includes them on their 365XL, and prices look to be roughly the same for the two. He would have preferred the trigger to be a little lighter (just over 5 lbs on his model), but again that's something you can tweak later with springs or something. |
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First time I saw a pic I thought they had resurrected the Star Firestar.
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Would like to get my hands on one even though I just bought a P365. Could be a buy.
Count me in for liking that it doesn't have a rail and not caring about an optics cut. |
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Quoted: It reminds me of the Spainish Star line of single action auto that where kind of 1911 ish design in the 80s and 90s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Firestar_M43 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Star_M43_Firestar.jpg/1280px-Star_M43_Firestar.jpg View Quote Very similar concept, just with an alloy frame and new "kinda doublestack" magazine tech. |
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Odds are pretty strong I will end up with one. But only after the optics ready version appears.
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If anyone at the company has a brain they’d size this thing up, add a grip safety and make it into a pseudo 2011 line. If they could get the accuracy/reliability there and affordable mags it would move in all sizes.
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I didn't realize it till it hit my email this morning. This is not a competitor to the sig 365, S&W Shield, Glock Whatever or the Hellcat.
This is basically a modern Colt Mustang/Springfield 911/Sig 938. And given the demand for these micro-double stack striker fired guns, I can't believe there's enough demand to put the engineering and marketing into what's essentially another micro 1911. I mean I'm a S&W fanboi, but really? I own several M&P's and I own a 1911 and a sig 938. 10 to 12 rounds, that's great, but if I'm going to buy, it's going to be another striker fired plastic gun. I loved the 10mm and the Shield plus, but I put this down there with that Keltec shotgun they copied. |
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