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Posted: 12/6/2023 11:47:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you actually compare some basic measures between the two, it's pretty apparent why anyone would be concerned with Nissan, esp held up against Kia. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_0951_jpeg-3051799.JPG Kia has 3x the earning, with a tenth the debt, on $10B less in revenue. Kia's in the top 5 in operating revenue of the big players, couple ahead of Toyota, below Ferrari, BMW, Tesla and Mercedes. Pretty decent company. Not perfect, and def some serious issues, but these are the kind of shortcomings ascendant companies, ran smartly, can survive. These kind of missteps might kill a mfg, contracting and burdened by debt. We'll see where they end up I a few years, but given Kia's technological advantages and the marketed where they can leverage them, I wouldn't bet against the Koreans Logic? reason? numbers? this is a car thread my friend, car threads run on FEELZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 
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Posted: 12/6/2023 11:48:29 PM EDT
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As long as their are cab drivers in Mexico, there will be Altimas
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Posted: 12/6/2023 11:49:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In my AO, they sell tons of vehicles. They are the dealerships known for the most liberal credit policies and will finance anyone. They follow the "Mitsubishi" model. Here also. 2 of the Nissan dealers always have customers and newer vehicles parked in the sale lot. Both places turn a lot of inventory. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 11:52:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Toyota already have Subaru AND Mazda. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Getting in bed with Renault and Mitsubishi was absolutely retarded. Subaru or Mazda? Maybe you can leverage something there. Toyota already have Subaru AND Mazda. And Daihatsu, Ranz and Hino outright, plus significant shares of Isuzu and Suzuki as well in tie ups. Theres a huge unwinding ATM, TMC will divest its Denso shares, appears fully, and some other holdings to raise capital transition and investment in advanced batteries and improved BEV platforms. Going all in, but the associated suppliers will be let go, not the core mfg |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 11:53:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Logic? reason? numbers? this is a car thread my friend, car threads run on FEELZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you actually compare some basic measures between the two, it's pretty apparent why anyone would be concerned with Nissan, esp held up against Kia. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/IMG_0951_jpeg-3051799.JPG Kia has 3x the earning, with a tenth the debt, on $10B less in revenue. Kia's in the top 5 in operating revenue of the big players, couple ahead of Toyota, below Ferrari, BMW, Tesla and Mercedes. Pretty decent company. Not perfect, and def some serious issues, but these are the kind of shortcomings ascendant companies, ran smartly, can survive. These kind of missteps might kill a mfg, contracting and burdened by debt. We'll see where they end up I a few years, but given Kia's technological advantages and the marketed where they can leverage them, I wouldn't bet against the Koreans Logic? reason? numbers? this is a car thread my friend, car threads run on FEELZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 Im not saying Kia doesnt suck - they just suck less I'm just hearing of a massive Cyberattack at Nissan, I need to check up on that and find some bkfest, so have fun |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 11:59:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 'Never miss my exit' is the best! LOL  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/130046/5tpd8xstyt3b1-3051418.jpg Average Nissan owner is cheaper than the average Ram 1500 owner. 'Never miss my exit' is the best! LOL Reminds me of this one. Infuriating:  Reckless Driver Missed Exit Causes Two Semi Trucks to Crash Spectacularly @roa |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 12:04:59 AM EDT
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Nissan has been circling the drain precariously since the late 80’s/early 90’s. They nearly lost their Tokyo headquarters in 1995. In the late 90’s, they flooded the market with cheap leases created by inflating lease-end values. They’ve been selling cheap junk to the ghetto segment of the market ever since.
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Posted: 12/7/2023 12:24:48 AM EDT
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The best vehicle I have ever owned (and still drive) is a 2003 Nissan Pathfinder SE. Bought it used in 2008. Paid off by 2010.
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Posted: 12/7/2023 12:41:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Subaru is a spin off from the forcibly postwar disbanded Nakajima company. The star in the logo represent the 5 companies that Nakajima was broken up into during the occupation. No. Its the Pleiades star cluster in the constellation Taurus. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 12:49:05 AM EDT
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They screwed up when they redid the Pathfinder, should have gone retro and made it look more like the late 80's ones.
Change the name of the Armada to the Patrol like it should be. Bring over a stripped-down lightweight version of the Fairlady. Oh, yeah, Bring back Carlos. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 1:02:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I miss my Xterra. Wish they would re-release those but they'd probably screw them up. My 2011 Frontier just turned 211,000, and is one of the best vehicles I've ever owned. I really liked the Xterra design a lot, but that was the worst vehicle I've ever owned. It was the most complete bag of shit quality components I've ever seen. And to top it off Nissan didn't stand behind it at all. Their absolute refusal to issue recalls made I'd very clear I would never own another Nissan again. Fortunately for me 4Runners exist, and are superior to the Xterra in every way that matters. I agree with you that they'll probably mess up a new one, maybe we'll see someday. But it'll still be a Nissan, meaning it will never be in my garage. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 1:10:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same. I'm almost convinced that Nissan is in the subprime loan business rather than the car business. In the local one you can add on aftermarket wheels to your loan. Mitsubishis seem to be for people that can't qualify for a loan on a Nissan. Excellent post. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 1:24:14 AM EDT
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30 years ago their pathfinder and maxima were kick ass and could go toe to toe with Honda and Toyota.
Ten to twenty years ago the X-Terra was a viable option compared to a FJ Cruiser or 4Runner. I don’t recall the exact details, but the went from a - get a Honda or Toyota model competitor that’s a great deal for less or better at the same model money- And purposefully threw it way with a plan to capture the black market. With some other issues like chasing segments without a lot of interest. They lost desirable market segments and lost brand desirability. They could have revamped the X-terra platform into a removable door and front roof panel with a rear mounted barn door spare - Or kept the pathfinder a real SUV 4Runner competitor and done it with that. Instead of being the darling of the low finance score / high repo rate market and killing more up market interest. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 1:25:49 AM EDT
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Have not been impressed with mission in a long time.
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Posted: 12/7/2023 4:24:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/130046/5tpd8xstyt3b1-3051418.jpg Average Nissan owner is cheaper than the average Ram 1500 owner. ( < - 2007 Ram 1500 owner ) |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 7:51:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was behind a relatively new titan the other day, maybe a few years old, billowing put smoke. I was behind a Hyundai on Tuesday that was doing the same thing, and it couldn't have been more than two or three years old. At first I thought it was because it was cold out and it hadn't warmed up, but every time we'd leave a red light, a new pope was elected. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 7:55:22 AM EDT
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If I win the lottery today, Imma going to buy a GTR and change all the badging to this..
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Posted: 12/7/2023 8:04:28 AM EDT
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Y’all have never studied the I-24 Nissan Altima variant.
- survives multiple impacts and is road worthy - missing a minimum of 2 hub caps - possibly on a spare - expired or non existent tag - travels at high rate of speed - tier 1 suspension for Slalom maneuvers in traffic - advanced cloaking system that hides them from LEO They will last forever. Only known competition is the I-24 Dodge Charger. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 8:08:16 AM EDT
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What about the rouge? That’s gotta be like the most common vehicle on the road.
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Posted: 12/7/2023 8:12:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Their first mistake was changing their name from Datsun to Nissan. This. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 8:17:03 AM EDT
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Datsun B210
Nissan 200SX Maxima 2002 Altima 2017 SR Midnight Edition package. All awesome vehicles from which I got hundreds of thousands of miles of transportation from. Considering a 4Runner type for my next vehicle, Armada is in the mix. Sad to see these N'issan is done' threads pop up. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 8:25:03 AM EDT
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Used to have a 1997 Maxima. Best car ever made. SAE chose its DOHC V6 as "one of the 10 best engines in the world." Put 250K miles on it.
Also went through a couple of Xterras. Damn things were indestructible, were popular with Death Valley off-roaders. Xterras were more trucks than cars; they were built on the Titan chassis. Nissan got pussified and killed them All gone. Yeah, Nissan is history. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 8:32:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought their Frontier was a good truck? Mine has been |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 8:32:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a Nissan Frontier and I refuse to get rid of it. Ever. Mine has been great |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 8:58:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I remember the 90s Maxima being a pretty sweet car. You name it, it broke on that car lol Manual transmission hydraulic pressure went out mid climb on the large overpass in Dallas Overheat unless the AC was on Rack & Pinion split in 2 ECU died All 4 window motors went out Odometer stopped counting The list goes on. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 9:11:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Used to have a 1997 Maxima. Best car ever made. SAE chose its DOHC V6 as "one of the 10 best engines in the world." Put 250K miles on it. Also went through a couple of Xterras. Damn things were indestructible, were popular with Death Valley off-roaders. Xterras were more trucks than cars; they were built on the Titan chassis. Nissan got pussified and killed them All gone. Yeah, Nissan is history. Had a 1981 Datsun Maxima with a 2.8 6 cylinder diesel. Slow AF off the line, but once it got a head of steam it would hold 80mph on the slab without hesitation. We drove it diagonally across this country twice. One trip it cost us $98 in fuel to go from here to Calgary Alberta. It was also very comfortable. Had 100X more fun in my 1971 Datsun 510 though, that car had tons of practice teaching me how to power slide on windy gravel roads. Rolled it once, popped the roof back up in the rear and got a used back window from a junk yard. Put another 20,000 miles on it before I sold it. LOL |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 9:24:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Y’all have never studied the I-24 Nissan Altima variant. - survives multiple impacts and is road worthy - missing a minimum of 2 hub caps - possibly on a spare - expired or non existent tag - travels at high rate of speed - tier 1 suspension for Slalom maneuvers in traffic - advanced cloaking system that hides them from LEO They will last forever. Only known competition is the I-24 Dodge Charger. I've driven my old Altima on I-24 many times. The looks of simultaneous respect and horror are something I will treasure for eternity. I had an old 96 Altima, drove it to death, and then bought an 04 which I had for 16 years. Pretty beat down but the thing just ran and ran. Needed a couple of O2 sensor changes and I had to wrench the exhaust manifold off since the cat converter in it was falling apart, and that sucked. But otherwise a heck of a car and it's still running after I gave it to an aunt. I only upgraded because I needed more room and after sitting in my wife's sequioa i realized I wanted something bigger since I am not a small man. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 9:43:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Titan is/was a great truck, but they killed it themselves with a shitty entertainment center and sacrificing it to increase their overall CAFE rating. Titan is the ugliest truck in existence. It's hard to sell something that looks like ass it's entire life. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 9:47:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember the 90s Maxima being a pretty sweet car. I had two. They were great cars. Nissans mistake was moving manufacturing over here, dropping manual transmissions and trying to make the maxima a luxury car instead of it’s roots, the 4DSC. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 9:51:07 AM EDT
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If Nissan is doomed they need to go out with a bang and make the car we all want but no one will actually buy.
Put the GT-R powertrain in an Infinity sedan(or better yet wagon) and offer a manual(or better MT only). Make it not ugly and it would be a M3/5 killer. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 10:30:15 AM EDT
[#31]
Guess I better pull the trigger on a GT-R now and park it.
Sell it off in a few years and retire. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 10:32:36 AM EDT
[#32]
Nissan died in 2006 when they stopped offering manuals in the Maxima. It's been rental car grade garbage since then.
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Posted: 12/7/2023 10:44:07 AM EDT
[#33]
Now that I have thought about it I have only ever wanted 3 Nissans
A R31 A Honeybee And a obd1 era President. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 11:00:33 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a '19 4x4 that hasn't given me a single problem. Co-worker's '13 has been rock solid as well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I thought their Frontier was a good truck? I have a '19 4x4 that hasn't given me a single problem. Co-worker's '13 has been rock solid as well. That's the problem, they run forever. There's no real incentive for Nissan owners to buy something new when their car/truck will keep running for the next 100 years. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 11:06:49 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've driven my old Altima on I-24 many times. The looks of simultaneous respect and horror are something I will treasure for eternity. I had an old 96 Altima, drove it to death, and then bought an 04 which I had for 16 years. Pretty beat down but the thing just ran and ran. Needed a couple of O2 sensor changes and I had to wrench the exhaust manifold off since the cat converter in it was falling apart, and that sucked. But otherwise a heck of a car and it's still running after I gave it to an aunt. I only upgraded because I needed more room and after sitting in my wife's sequioa i realized I wanted something bigger since I am not a small man. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Y’all have never studied the I-24 Nissan Altima variant. - survives multiple impacts and is road worthy - missing a minimum of 2 hub caps - possibly on a spare - expired or non existent tag - travels at high rate of speed - tier 1 suspension for Slalom maneuvers in traffic - advanced cloaking system that hides them from LEO They will last forever. Only known competition is the I-24 Dodge Charger. I've driven my old Altima on I-24 many times. The looks of simultaneous respect and horror are something I will treasure for eternity. I had an old 96 Altima, drove it to death, and then bought an 04 which I had for 16 years. Pretty beat down but the thing just ran and ran. Needed a couple of O2 sensor changes and I had to wrench the exhaust manifold off since the cat converter in it was falling apart, and that sucked. But otherwise a heck of a car and it's still running after I gave it to an aunt. I only upgraded because I needed more room and after sitting in my wife's sequioa i realized I wanted something bigger since I am not a small man.
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Posted: 12/7/2023 11:07:28 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the problem, they run forever. There's no real incentive for Nissan owners to buy something new when their car/truck will keep running for the next 100 years. A 90s Nissan sure, old tech had a stanza with 500k before he dropped it, he has a r32 now. But 00s and newer? Ehhhhh, engine sure, transmission no, electronics no and paint? Definitely not. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 11:09:22 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Now that I have thought about it I have only ever wanted 3 Nissans A R31 A Honeybee And a obd1 era President. I'd drive the shit out of a GQ Patrol. 
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Posted: 12/7/2023 11:24:59 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought their Frontier was a good truck? They better keep making Frontiers! With a long bed and a manual transmission! |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 11:32:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/7/2023 11:37:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/7/2023 11:40:13 AM EDT
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ug....I guess I will get flamed for this but I had great luck and a great deals on mine. 2 months ago I got another Nissan a 2024 Altima SR turbo AWD, nothing come close to cost, it does what I need and like it. its my 5th nissian. just make sure you do the maintenance and it will be fine.
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Posted: 12/7/2023 11:40:31 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted:  Quote HistoryMy standpoint on I-24 stands. Maybe that's because Nissan's plant is on 24.   LOL, of course TN tags |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 11:43:51 AM EDT
[#43]
 Nissan Toys Commercial featuring Barbie and Ken and Van Halen, You Really Got Me, 1996 Nissan 300ZX |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 11:44:06 AM EDT
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I bought my wife a 1985 Nissan Sentra.
3 speed auto, one of the last built for the 55 mph world. It had been a rental car. I got 235K out of it before one of the connecting rods made the decision to depart the engine block. I got $1K trade in for a 1998 Frontier. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 11:44:33 AM EDT
[#45]
Ever thought that maybe, just maybe, sales are regional?
I see new Armadas and QX80s everywhere now. Word must have gotten out that they're still made in Japan. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 11:45:46 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ever thought that maybe, just maybe, sales are regional? I see new Armadas and QX80s everywhere now. Word must have gotten out that they're still made in Japan. oh sure its regional but overall sales are down. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 11:48:12 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ever thought that maybe, just maybe, sales are regional? I see new Armadas and QX80s everywhere now. Word must have gotten out that they're still made in Japan.  Attached FileI heart Union Workamnship! JAW Forevah! |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 11:54:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/7/2023 11:57:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: oh sure its regional but overall sales are down. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ever thought that maybe, just maybe, sales are regional? I see new Armadas and QX80s everywhere now. Word must have gotten out that they're still made in Japan. oh sure its regional but overall sales are down.  Attached FileHalf the sales 5 years ago. Nobody in Franklin is sanguine. NNA has issue while the NMC has stabilized a bit. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 12:01:22 PM EDT
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I have absolutely no idea what they are doing with the Z. It's a good car. It's priced reasonably well for where it sits performance-wise. It looks good. Yes, it reuses a lot from the 370Z, but that's okay, and expected given Nissan's budget constraints for a low-volume sports car.
They just completely bungled the launch and aren't attempting to produce them in any quantity. I still have yet to see one, and I go to local Cars & Coffee events pretty often. It's like they don't actually want to sell the car. |
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