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Posted: 2/20/2019 3:55:38 PM EST
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I'm just happy that this thread isn't full of Trump Humpers defending POTUS. These are serious cases that we need to win.
Money well spent and I'm confident there will be a steady supply of funds to help support these types of cases in the future. Great job NOLO and thank you for doing this for all of us. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 4:08:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL at lecturing Nolo on how government lawyers work. You have no idea who he is do you? |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 4:11:15 PM EST
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POLYTHENEPAM has a pretty good understanding of how this stuff works... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: LOL at lecturing Nolo on how government lawyers work. You have no idea who he is do you? 
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Posted: 2/20/2019 6:58:26 PM EST
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Good luck with the decision and thank you for what you do Nolo!!
Can't believe I had to go to page 6 to find this thread, on a gun site, supposedly full of gun owners. That's our problem... 
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Posted: 2/20/2019 7:10:14 PM EST
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Good luck with the decision and thank you for what you do Nolo!! Can't believe I had to go to page 6 to find this thread, on a gun site, supposedly full of gun owners. That's our problem... |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 7:19:06 PM EST
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Or perhaps those that know/follow Nolo and this since the beginning subscribe to the threads so they have them handy.
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Posted: 2/21/2019 7:38:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This guy..........................  I correctly predicted the outcome of Hollis and Watson while most of you thought those cases were won. I know exactly what's going on, unlike someone who once told us he wasn't interested in the politics of law. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 12:08:02 PM EST
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Fingers crossed on the injunction.
Again, good looking out taking up this fight. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 1:34:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I practiced law for decades. I correctly predicted the outcome of Hollis and Watson while most of you thought those cases were won. I know exactly what's going on, unlike someone who once told us he wasn't interested in the politics of law. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: This guy.......................... I correctly predicted the outcome of Hollis and Watson while most of you thought those cases were won. I know exactly what's going on, unlike someone who once told us he wasn't interested in the politics of law. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 2:02:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I practiced law for decades. I correctly predicted the outcome of Hollis and Watson while most of you thought those cases were won. I know exactly what's going on, unlike someone who once told us he wasn't interested in the politics of law. At least that's how it seems. I don't recall you ever predicting a win. Have you? Or are those the cases you just don't care to comment on? |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 2:18:51 PM EST
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Folks,
Blaming the messenger helps nothing. Mr. P is right in that the game IS rigged for a government win. Sometimes the only thing you can do is your best. To quote Tennyson: “Forward, the Light Brigade!” Was there a man dismayed? Not though the soldier knew Someone had blundered. Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do and die. Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 2:24:06 PM EST
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I have to agree with HistoricArms. These battles need fought. But they are almost always a difficult uphill battle.
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Posted: 2/21/2019 2:37:48 PM EST
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Folks, Blaming the messenger helps nothing. Mr. P is right in that the game IS rigged for a government win. Sometimes the only thing you can do is your best. To quote Tennyson: |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 9:02:59 PM EST
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So what possible conclusions can we draw about this case based on whether or not the injunction is granted? Does denial of an injunction mean the judge thinks the case will most likely fail?
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Posted: 2/22/2019 8:29:35 AM EST
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And now you live to be contrarian toward any court action relative to 2a. At least that's how it seems. I don't recall you ever predicting a win. Have you? Or are those the cases you just don't care to comment on? I don't engage in wishful thinking because wishing doesn't change outcomes. People would be better off if they faced facts and drew the necessary conclusions. Those who create false hope aren't doing anyone any favors. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 8:32:47 AM EST
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Reality sucks sometimes. I don't engage in wishful thinking because wishing doesn't change outcomes. People would be better off if they faced facts and drew the necessary conclusions. Those who create false hope aren't doing anyone any favors. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And now you live to be contrarian toward any court action relative to 2a. At least that's how it seems. I don't recall you ever predicting a win. Have you? Or are those the cases you just don't care to comment on? I don't engage in wishful thinking because wishing doesn't change outcomes. People would be better off if they faced facts and drew the necessary conclusions. Those who create false hope aren't doing anyone any favors. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 8:40:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m going to fight everything I can because that’s what has to be done. You can sit at home predicting my losses, but I’ll be over here in the ring. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 8:43:02 AM EST
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I’m going to fight everything I can because that’s what has to be done. You can sit at home predicting my losses, but I’ll be over here in the ring. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And now you live to be contrarian toward any court action relative to 2a. At least that's how it seems. I don't recall you ever predicting a win. Have you? Or are those the cases you just don't care to comment on? I don't engage in wishful thinking because wishing doesn't change outcomes. People would be better off if they faced facts and drew the necessary conclusions. Those who create false hope aren't doing anyone any favors. Is there a thread that has fund raising links, or instructions on how to do so? I want to contribute, as well as let this fight be know to my community. Thanks! |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 8:49:50 AM EST
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I'm not blaming him for anything. I would appreciate his insight on cases we were likely to win, as he is often correct on the ones we don't. We win cases too. Do you know the reason often given for upholding "assault weapon" bans? The courts frequently hold that the government may ban those weapons so long as the government allows the peons to possess handguns with which to defend themselves. Where did the notion that self-defense was the reason for the adoption of the Second Amendment? Heller. So much for deciding cases based on the text of the Constitution. Altering the basis of the Second Amendment was a defeat, not a victory. Do you know the reason given by the Fifth Circuit for the holding that machine guns are not protected by the Second Amendment? "But self-defense, not revolution, 'is the central component of the Second Amendment. McDonald ...'." Perhaps you think Caetano is a victory. Ask yourself why the anti-gun justices signed off. How long will it be before the courts apply the "reasoning" used to uphold bans on "assault weapons" today and decide that the government may prohibit the unwashed masses from possessing handguns, so long as they are allowed to possess stun guns? I won't live to see it. Many of you will and you'll be surprised when it happens. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 8:51:07 AM EST
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I’m going to fight everything I can because that’s what has to be done. You can sit at home predicting my losses, but I’ll be over here in the ring. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Reality sucks sometimes. I don't engage in wishful thinking because wishing doesn't change outcomes. People would be better off if they faced facts and drew the necessary conclusions. Those who create false hope aren't doing anyone any favors. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 8:52:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m going to fight everything I can because that’s what has to be done. You can sit at home predicting my losses, but I’ll be over here in the ring. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 8:55:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It turns out that the cases you thought were victories, weren't. Do you know the reason often given for upholding "assault weapon" bans? The courts frequently hold that the government may ban those weapons so long as the government allows the peons to possess handguns with which to defend themselves. Where did the notion that self-defense was the reason for the adoption of the Second Amendment? Heller. So much for deciding cases based on the text of the Constitution. Altering the basis of the Second Amendment was a defeat, not a victory. Do you know the reason given by the Fifth Circuit for the holding that machine guns are not protected by the Second Amendment? "But self-defense, not revolution, 'is the central component of the Second Amendment. McDonald ...'." Perhaps you think Caetano is a victory. Ask yourself why the anti-gun justices signed off. How long will it be before the courts apply the "reasoning" used to uphold bans on "assault weapons" today and decide that the government may prohibit the unwashed masses from possessing handguns, so long as they are allowed to possess stun guns? I won't live to see it. Many of you will and you'll be surprised when it happens.
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Posted: 2/22/2019 9:16:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It turns out that the cases you thought were victories, weren't. Do you know the reason often given for upholding "assault weapon" bans? The courts frequently hold that the government may ban those weapons so long as the government allows the peons to possess handguns with which to defend themselves. Where did the notion that self-defense was the reason for the adoption of the Second Amendment? Heller. So much for deciding cases based on the text of the Constitution. Altering the basis of the Second Amendment was a defeat, not a victory. Do you know the reason given by the Fifth Circuit for the holding that machine guns are not protected by the Second Amendment? "But self-defense, not revolution, 'is the central component of the Second Amendment. McDonald ...'." Perhaps you think Caetano is a victory. Ask yourself why the anti-gun justices signed off. How long will it be before the courts apply the "reasoning" used to uphold bans on "assault weapons" today and decide that the government may prohibit the unwashed masses from possessing handguns, so long as they are allowed to possess stun guns? I won't live to see it. Many of you will and you'll be surprised when it happens. If our government's legitimate sovereignty is derived the liberty of the people. And our government violates the liberty of the people, does its sovereignty then not cease to be legitimate? What is the difference between a guy breaking into your home to enforce his personal will upon you to do harm on you or violate your fredom (tie you up, rape you, or steal you lawful property). And 5 guys doing the same thing? What about 50 guys taking over your whole neighborhood? Only scale, thats it. The key difference being tjat our government holds legitimate sovereignty. If it was to loose that legitimacy, how could it be defined as different from a street gang or invading army? For historic example, the colonial regulars had significant trouble persuading minuteman militia units to march away from defense of home area to major battle sites. The citizen militias role in Revolution has always been self defense. Thats not in conflict with the consept of revolution or military action, or for that matter, military arms. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 9:20:28 AM EST
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I’m going to fight everything I can because that’s what has to be done. You can sit at home predicting my losses, but I’ll be over here in the ring. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And now you live to be contrarian toward any court action relative to 2a. At least that's how it seems. I don't recall you ever predicting a win. Have you? Or are those the cases you just don't care to comment on? I don't engage in wishful thinking because wishing doesn't change outcomes. People would be better off if they faced facts and drew the necessary conclusions. Those who create false hope aren't doing anyone any favors. People need to take a more fatalistic view of life. It seems like a negative viewpoint, but it's one of the keys to being happier. It's also one of the keys to actually winning. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 9:20:58 AM EST
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Definition of defeatism
: an attitude of accepting, expecting, or being resigned to defeat Die living, stay in the fight! |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 9:21:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m going to fight everything I can because that’s what has to be done. You can sit at home predicting my losses, but I’ll be over here in the ring. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 9:25:17 AM EST
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I’m going to fight everything I can because that’s what has to be done. You can sit at home predicting my losses, but I’ll be over here in the ring. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And now you live to be contrarian toward any court action relative to 2a. At least that's how it seems. I don't recall you ever predicting a win. Have you? Or are those the cases you just don't care to comment on? I don't engage in wishful thinking because wishing doesn't change outcomes. People would be better off if they faced facts and drew the necessary conclusions. Those who create false hope aren't doing anyone any favors. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 9:28:05 AM EST
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It turns out that the cases you thought were victories, weren't. Do you know the reason often given for upholding "assault weapon" bans? The courts frequently hold that the government may ban those weapons so long as the government allows the peons to possess handguns with which to defend themselves. Where did the notion that self-defense was the reason for the adoption of the Second Amendment? Heller. So much for deciding cases based on the text of the Constitution. Altering the basis of the Second Amendment was a defeat, not a victory. Do you know the reason given by the Fifth Circuit for the holding that machine guns are not protected by the Second Amendment? "But self-defense, not revolution, 'is the central component of the Second Amendment. McDonald ...'." Perhaps you think Caetano is a victory. Ask yourself why the anti-gun justices signed off. How long will it be before the courts apply the "reasoning" used to uphold bans on "assault weapons" today and decide that the government may prohibit the unwashed masses from possessing handguns, so long as they are allowed to possess stun guns? I won't live to see it. Many of you will and you'll be surprised when it happens. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not blaming him for anything. I would appreciate his insight on cases we were likely to win, as he is often correct on the ones we don't. We win cases too. Do you know the reason often given for upholding "assault weapon" bans? The courts frequently hold that the government may ban those weapons so long as the government allows the peons to possess handguns with which to defend themselves. Where did the notion that self-defense was the reason for the adoption of the Second Amendment? Heller. So much for deciding cases based on the text of the Constitution. Altering the basis of the Second Amendment was a defeat, not a victory. Do you know the reason given by the Fifth Circuit for the holding that machine guns are not protected by the Second Amendment? "But self-defense, not revolution, 'is the central component of the Second Amendment. McDonald ...'." Perhaps you think Caetano is a victory. Ask yourself why the anti-gun justices signed off. How long will it be before the courts apply the "reasoning" used to uphold bans on "assault weapons" today and decide that the government may prohibit the unwashed masses from possessing handguns, so long as they are allowed to possess stun guns? I won't live to see it. Many of you will and you'll be surprised when it happens. You have any better ideas? |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 9:40:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It turns out that the cases you thought were victories, weren't. Do you know the reason often given for upholding "assault weapon" bans? The courts frequently hold that the government may ban those weapons so long as the government allows the peons to possess handguns with which to defend themselves. Where did the notion that self-defense was the reason for the adoption of the Second Amendment? Heller. So much for deciding cases based on the text of the Constitution. Altering the basis of the Second Amendment was a defeat, not a victory. Do you know the reason given by the Fifth Circuit for the holding that machine guns are not protected by the Second Amendment? "But self-defense, not revolution, 'is the central component of the Second Amendment. McDonald ...'." Perhaps you think Caetano is a victory. Ask yourself why the anti-gun justices signed off. How long will it be before the courts apply the "reasoning" used to uphold bans on "assault weapons" today and decide that the government may prohibit the unwashed masses from possessing handguns, so long as they are allowed to possess stun guns? I won't live to see it. Many of you will and you'll be surprised when it happens. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 9:49:04 AM EST
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Posted: 2/22/2019 9:51:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m going to fight everything I can because that’s what has to be done. You can sit at home predicting my losses, but I’ll be over here in the ring. 
Thank you |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 10:10:22 AM EST
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Thank you Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thank you |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 10:13:50 AM EST
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Many years ago I was speaking to an old German soldier who lived in my town. He was a WWII veteran and had been in combat in Russia mid war and end of war. I asked him why he continued to fight even when the war was clearly lost. His answer was that he was convinced he would die and better to die on his feet with his weapon than on his knees next to a Russian trench. Now, I am not equating Nolo's fight to Nazis but I am equating it to the spirit of why humans fight. Some have the fire and some don't. Nolo has it and I am grateful for all his efforts.
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Posted: 2/22/2019 10:29:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It turns out that the cases you thought were victories, weren't. Do you know the reason often given for upholding "assault weapon" bans? The courts frequently hold that the government may ban those weapons so long as the government allows the peons to possess handguns with which to defend themselves. Where did the notion that self-defense was the reason for the adoption of the Second Amendment? Heller. So much for deciding cases based on the text of the Constitution. Altering the basis of the Second Amendment was a defeat, not a victory. Do you know the reason given by the Fifth Circuit for the holding that machine guns are not protected by the Second Amendment? "But self-defense, not revolution, 'is the central component of the Second Amendment. McDonald ...'." Perhaps you think Caetano is a victory. Ask yourself why the anti-gun justices signed off. How long will it be before the courts apply the "reasoning" used to uphold bans on "assault weapons" today and decide that the government may prohibit the unwashed masses from possessing handguns, so long as they are allowed to possess stun guns? I won't live to see it. Many of you will and you'll be surprised when it happens. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 10:29:30 AM EST
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It turns out that the cases you thought were victories, weren't. I suppose if you're advocating armed rebellion then I get it, but otherwise I'm missing anything beyond: 
As an aside I'll admit I had to google your username to figure out the reference, and the lyrics are making it a bit harder for me to respond with a straight face! |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 10:31:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
It turns out that the cases you thought were victories, weren't. Do you know the reason often given for upholding "assault weapon" bans? The courts frequently hold that the government may ban those weapons so long as the government allows the peons to possess handguns with which to defend themselves. Where did the notion that self-defense was the reason for the adoption of the Second Amendment? Heller. So much for deciding cases based on the text of the Constitution. Altering the basis of the Second Amendment was a defeat, not a victory. Do you know the reason given by the Fifth Circuit for the holding that machine guns are not protected by the Second Amendment? "But self-defense, not revolution, 'is the central component of the Second Amendment. McDonald ...'." Perhaps you think Caetano is a victory. Ask yourself why the anti-gun justices signed off. How long will it be before the courts apply the "reasoning" used to uphold bans on "assault weapons" today and decide that the government may prohibit the unwashed masses from possessing handguns, so long as they are allowed to possess stun guns? I won't live to see it. Many of you will and you'll be surprised when it happens. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not blaming him for anything. I would appreciate his insight on cases we were likely to win, as he is often correct on the ones we don't. We win cases too. Do you know the reason often given for upholding "assault weapon" bans? The courts frequently hold that the government may ban those weapons so long as the government allows the peons to possess handguns with which to defend themselves. Where did the notion that self-defense was the reason for the adoption of the Second Amendment? Heller. So much for deciding cases based on the text of the Constitution. Altering the basis of the Second Amendment was a defeat, not a victory. Do you know the reason given by the Fifth Circuit for the holding that machine guns are not protected by the Second Amendment? "But self-defense, not revolution, 'is the central component of the Second Amendment. McDonald ...'." Perhaps you think Caetano is a victory. Ask yourself why the anti-gun justices signed off. How long will it be before the courts apply the "reasoning" used to uphold bans on "assault weapons" today and decide that the government may prohibit the unwashed masses from possessing handguns, so long as they are allowed to possess stun guns? I won't live to see it. Many of you will and you'll be surprised when it happens. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 10:31:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
It turns out that the cases you thought were victories, weren't. Do you know the reason often given for upholding "assault weapon" bans? The courts frequently hold that the government may ban those weapons so long as the government allows the peons to possess handguns with which to defend themselves. Where did the notion that self-defense was the reason for the adoption of the Second Amendment? Heller. So much for deciding cases based on the text of the Constitution. Altering the basis of the Second Amendment was a defeat, not a victory. Do you know the reason given by the Fifth Circuit for the holding that machine guns are not protected by the Second Amendment? "But self-defense, not revolution, 'is the central component of the Second Amendment. McDonald ...'." Perhaps you think Caetano is a victory. Ask yourself why the anti-gun justices signed off. How long will it be before the courts apply the "reasoning" used to uphold bans on "assault weapons" today and decide that the government may prohibit the unwashed masses from possessing handguns, so long as they are allowed to possess stun guns? I won't live to see it. Many of you will and you'll be surprised when it happens. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not blaming him for anything. I would appreciate his insight on cases we were likely to win, as he is often correct on the ones we don't. We win cases too. Do you know the reason often given for upholding "assault weapon" bans? The courts frequently hold that the government may ban those weapons so long as the government allows the peons to possess handguns with which to defend themselves. Where did the notion that self-defense was the reason for the adoption of the Second Amendment? Heller. So much for deciding cases based on the text of the Constitution. Altering the basis of the Second Amendment was a defeat, not a victory. Do you know the reason given by the Fifth Circuit for the holding that machine guns are not protected by the Second Amendment? "But self-defense, not revolution, 'is the central component of the Second Amendment. McDonald ...'." Perhaps you think Caetano is a victory. Ask yourself why the anti-gun justices signed off. How long will it be before the courts apply the "reasoning" used to uphold bans on "assault weapons" today and decide that the government may prohibit the unwashed masses from possessing handguns, so long as they are allowed to possess stun guns? I won't live to see it. Many of you will and you'll be surprised when it happens. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 10:34:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Eventually we may all have to join the light brigade. People need to take a more fatalistic view of life. It seems like a negative viewpoint, but it's one of the keys to being happier. It's also one of the keys to actually winning. If we win, they lose face. If they win, they lose substantially more. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 10:35:27 AM EST
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The scale involved in your assumption is beyond belief. This would be akin to attempting the banning of personal automobiles, in terms of commonality of ownership and sheer numbers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/22/2019 10:38:34 AM EST
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For the socialists, banning private transportation is one of their mid term goals. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 10:40:16 AM EST
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The other side of that coin was only allowing "militias" to possess weapons. So sure you can have your assault rifle if you join the army, but once you're out, you have to give it back, and everyone else is fucked. They were NEVER going to rule that the second amendment is necessary for violent revolution even though they ALL know that's exactly what it's for. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not blaming him for anything. I would appreciate his insight on cases we were likely to win, as he is often correct on the ones we don't. We win cases too. Do you know the reason often given for upholding "assault weapon" bans? The courts frequently hold that the government may ban those weapons so long as the government allows the peons to possess handguns with which to defend themselves. Where did the notion that self-defense was the reason for the adoption of the Second Amendment? Heller. So much for deciding cases based on the text of the Constitution. Altering the basis of the Second Amendment was a defeat, not a victory. Do you know the reason given by the Fifth Circuit for the holding that machine guns are not protected by the Second Amendment? "But self-defense, not revolution, 'is the central component of the Second Amendment. McDonald ...'." Perhaps you think Caetano is a victory. Ask yourself why the anti-gun justices signed off. How long will it be before the courts apply the "reasoning" used to uphold bans on "assault weapons" today and decide that the government may prohibit the unwashed masses from possessing handguns, so long as they are allowed to possess stun guns? I won't live to see it. Many of you will and you'll be surprised when it happens. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 11:54:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. Some of us have resigned ourselves to being armed and not being disarmed willingly. Once you've come to that position, what Nolo, Supermoose, whomever is doing is no longer fighting to gain some freedoms back for us, but to save the government from themselves. If we win, they lose face. If they win, they lose substantially more. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 11:55:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, it's as much a violation of sovereignty to admit a "right to revolt" as it is to dissolve national borders. Even if the right to revolt is logically inalienable (any government can be fought against, it's own laws be damned). Unconditioned self-defense is as good as we can get (and honestly, the hippy-dippy notion of community militias was basically the same concept, but with the ability to "deputize" people into military service efforts quickly). As far as the army being the militia, The dick act specified the difference between orginized militia and unorginized militia. And the national defence act of 1933 seporated the NG from the militia. Federalizing it and giving states the right to form seporate defence forces. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 12:41:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quite possibly the best explanation worded to date! I wish I could phrase that to better match the nuances of reality, but I'm not up to the challenge. It's an incredibly complex situation, as you know. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 12:43:24 PM EST
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So, its the end of the week.
Just waiting for the update 
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Posted: 2/22/2019 12:49:29 PM EST
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Exactly. Some of us have resigned ourselves to being armed and not being disarmed willingly. Once you've come to that position, what Nolo, Supermoose, whomever is doing is no longer fighting to gain some freedoms back for us, but to save the government from themselves. |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 1:11:03 PM EST
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The other side of that coin was only allowing "militias" to possess weapons. So sure you can have your assault rifle if you join the army, but once you're out, you have to give it back, and everyone else is fucked. They were NEVER going to rule that the second amendment is necessary for violent revolution even though they ALL know that's exactly what it's for. https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-10-armed-forces/10-usc-sect-311.html |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 1:19:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m going to fight everything I can because that’s what has to be done. You can sit at home predicting my losses, but I’ll be over here in the ring. 
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Posted: 2/22/2019 1:26:33 PM EST
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Posted: 2/22/2019 1:27:59 PM EST
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Then there is the definition of "militias" in the US Code Title 10 https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-10-armed-forces/10-usc-sect-311.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The other side of that coin was only allowing "militias" to possess weapons. So sure you can have your assault rifle if you join the army, but once you're out, you have to give it back, and everyone else is fucked. They were NEVER going to rule that the second amendment is necessary for violent revolution even though they ALL know that's exactly what it's for. https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-10-armed-forces/10-usc-sect-311.html Thankfully, the seocnd amendment doesn't read, "the right of the militia to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". It reads, "the right of the people". That's an important distinction that gets lost on the militia angle proponents. It's the people's right. The fact that the people having the right to keep and bear arms enables a well regulated militia is just icing on the cake. |
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