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Posted: 8/11/2017 10:15:53 AM EDT
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When was the last time that both democrats and republicans teamed up to destroy a duly elected president of the USA? I can't think of any time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOL things are no different than they have ever been. I can't think of any time. BTW I did vote for him and still glad I did but even then I openly stated he was the lesser of two evils. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 10:18:00 AM EDT
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The Trump Party. Replace all senators up in 2018 with those who will actually MAGA. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 10:24:43 AM EDT
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Could you lay out the platform of the Trump Party in a few lines? You know Freedom Caucus = libertarian light, GOPe = Business as usual. The Trump party I presume agrees with Trump. My question is when? Candidate Trump, President Trump now, President Trump a few weeks ago? Hard to run on that platform. Look at Hannity's endorsement, it's confusing as fuck these days. Duh. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 10:32:01 AM EDT
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My disgust with Alabama politics cranked up to "11" during the whole Bingo fiasco. What a shit show - and not a single "conservative" policy being pushed by any of the parties involved... Alabama has a very underrated history of political corruption. Guy Hunt, Don Siegelman, and now Bentley all just from one office since 1992. Might as well spread the corruption into the Senate seats. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 10:40:00 AM EDT
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I was overseas when most of that went down - and I wasn't a resident of AL at the time - so I really didn't follow it but the Victory Land casino shit seemed like a gigantic cluster fuck at the time. Alabama has a very underrated history of political corruption. Guy Hunt, Don Siegelman, and now Bentley all just from one office since 1992. Might as well spread the corruption into the Senate seats. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My disgust with Alabama politics cranked up to "11" during the whole Bingo fiasco. What a shit show - and not a single "conservative" policy being pushed by any of the parties involved... Alabama has a very underrated history of political corruption. Guy Hunt, Don Siegelman, and now Bentley all just from one office since 1992. Might as well spread the corruption into the Senate seats. 
It was completely clownshoes. I don't particularly care about the subject - either legalize it, or don't. But the bullshit where they were trying to legalize it, but only for some plugged-in politically guys to own a limited number of casinos was just overt, rampant corruption. People laugh at all the shit the various Birmingham mayors have done, but state-level politicians aren't any better. Or at least they are better at being discreet. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 10:59:51 AM EDT
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You missed out.
It was completely clownshoes. I don't particularly care about the subject - either legalize it, or don't. But the bullshit where they were trying to legalize it, but only for some plugged-in politically guys to own a limited number of casinos was just overt, rampant corruption. People laugh at all the shit the various Birmingham mayors have done, but state-level politicians aren't any better. Or at least they are better at being discreet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My disgust with Alabama politics cranked up to "11" during the whole Bingo fiasco. What a shit show - and not a single "conservative" policy being pushed by any of the parties involved... Alabama has a very underrated history of political corruption. Guy Hunt, Don Siegelman, and now Bentley all just from one office since 1992. Might as well spread the corruption into the Senate seats.
It was completely clownshoes. I don't particularly care about the subject - either legalize it, or don't. But the bullshit where they were trying to legalize it, but only for some plugged-in politically guys to own a limited number of casinos was just overt, rampant corruption. People laugh at all the shit the various Birmingham mayors have done, but state-level politicians aren't any better. Or at least they are better at being discreet. My favorite is the first in the nation eminent domain protection law. Oh wait, Airbus wants to move to Mobile? Yeah, we gotta get rid of those protections now. But for 8 years it was great. /slowclap |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 11:06:49 AM EDT
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From a state politics POV, AL is just as fucked up as any other state that has de facto single party rule. Would I choose AL over a Democratic controlled state like CA? Of course. But with the amount of alleged Conservatives holding office and as constituents, I'd expect better. When every statewide election is determined in the Republican primary, elected officials know they are pretty safe to do whatever they want. After all, what are you going to do after some legislation that should be a slam dunk dies in subcommittee (like Constitutional Carry did this year)? Vote for the Democrat? LOL. In AL that's just as pointless as voting 3rd party in a Presidential election. They even fuck up pubic referendums (see the state park question on November's ballot among a few others). You'd think someone who supports limited government would like living in a state that has Republicans with a 72-33 Majority in the State Legislature, a 26-8-1 Majority in the State Senate, and a Republican governor. But most of these elected officials would still be Democrats if we could get in a time machine and take them back before 1994. Arizona is a good example of Repubs having both houses and the Governorship yet still getting limited government stuff accomplished, because there are still enough Democrats holding seats in the state House of Reps and state Senate where Repubs must actually do what they campaign on instead of giving broad platitudes about hunting, going to church, and fighting Democrats/Obama/Pelosi* during the Primary and General then doing very little if anything that would be labeled "conservative" if there weren't Super-majorities of Republicans in both houses pushing it through. Living in Alabama has reminded me why politically I'm more of a Rocky Mountain/Big Sky Republican type of voter. Republicans in Alabama want the same size of government as Alabama Democrats do, but the AL Repubs just want the size of gov to be in the areas that align with their interests. Collectively no one in this state - not the voters or those they elect - actually wants the government to do less and spend less. Circling back to this special election, I'm not a huge fan of either of the three major contenders. Brooks' Congressional Carry proposal is a slap in the face to me as someone who had to plan on not carrying for the entire day if there was the possibility I'd go into DC during that day. Strange's appointment by Bentley is a Rod Blagojevich level of corruption. McConnell backing him just adds to Strange's stench as a political creature who will not try to change what is broken. If Strange is elected, he'll continue being McConnell's yes man. Roy Moore would be an absolute joke as a Senator. He'll be a Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren/Al Franken type of Senator, but he'll have an (R) beside his name so many people in Alabama, Republicans outside of AL, and on this website will give him a pass. If elected, I fully expect him to be censured before his reelection. I still don't know who I'll vote for, but it wont be Strange or Moore. *I actually saw this in the 2014 State Legislature election. A candidate - who I voted for - was campaigning about fighting Obama. It was even at the top of all of his campaign signs. In all the times I've read the Constitution - the US Constitution not that monstrosity that is the AL constitution - I did not see where state legislatures have anything to do to serve as a check and balance to the Federal Executive branch. Fortunately for him, I liked his stance on state gov involvement in education and my local school district's superintendent endorsed him so he got my vote and my wife's vote. The chances of seeing a significant shrinking of government and spending,and a bunch of pro gun stuff passing at the federal level are almost 0. The Republican Party loves the power and control as much as the democrats,and when you combine that with the apathy and ignorance of the voters (and general disdain for freedom),we get the government we deserve. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 11:14:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/11/2017 11:19:40 AM EDT
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Roy Moore. 
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Posted: 8/11/2017 11:19:53 AM EDT
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The swamp ain't going anywhere nor dry. Some alligators may change but the swamp remains. If the answer is nothing then what are we trying to change? That tells me it has gotten too entrenched, diabolically selfish and MUST be destroyed. Seems self-destructive to me 
Maybe Mitchie isn't as bad as we think he might be and it is some of his rank and file who are the real douche bags? Yes, I am going out on a limb.
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Posted: 8/11/2017 11:20:46 AM EDT
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It seems like that's what he wants. When you start pissing on your own party and making public tweets against them like a teenager what do you expect. BTW I did vote for him and still glad I did but even then I openly stated he was the lesser of two evils. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 11:21:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/11/2017 11:39:55 AM EDT
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Reminds me of @Miami_JBT and his posts about Republican controlled Florida not passing pro gun bills. The chances of seeing a significant shrinking of government and spending,and a bunch of pro gun stuff passing at the federal level are almost 0. The Republican Party loves the power and control as much as the democrats,and when you combine that with the apathy and ignorance of the voters (and general disdain for freedom),we get the government we deserve. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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From a state politics POV, AL is just as fucked up as any other state that has de facto single party rule. Would I choose AL over a Democratic controlled state like CA? Of course. But with the amount of alleged Conservatives holding office and as constituents, I'd expect better. When every statewide election is determined in the Republican primary, elected officials know they are pretty safe to do whatever they want. After all, what are you going to do after some legislation that should be a slam dunk dies in subcommittee (like Constitutional Carry did this year)? Vote for the Democrat? LOL. In AL that's just as pointless as voting 3rd party in a Presidential election. They even fuck up pubic referendums (see the state park question on November's ballot among a few others). You'd think someone who supports limited government would like living in a state that has Republicans with a 72-33 Majority in the State Legislature, a 26-8-1 Majority in the State Senate, and a Republican governor. But most of these elected officials would still be Democrats if we could get in a time machine and take them back before 1994. Arizona is a good example of Repubs having both houses and the Governorship yet still getting limited government stuff accomplished, because there are still enough Democrats holding seats in the state House of Reps and state Senate where Repubs must actually do what they campaign on instead of giving broad platitudes about hunting, going to church, and fighting Democrats/Obama/Pelosi* during the Primary and General then doing very little if anything that would be labeled "conservative" if there weren't Super-majorities of Republicans in both houses pushing it through. Living in Alabama has reminded me why politically I'm more of a Rocky Mountain/Big Sky Republican type of voter. Republicans in Alabama want the same size of government as Alabama Democrats do, but the AL Repubs just want the size of gov to be in the areas that align with their interests. Collectively no one in this state - not the voters or those they elect - actually wants the government to do less and spend less. Circling back to this special election, I'm not a huge fan of either of the three major contenders. Brooks' Congressional Carry proposal is a slap in the face to me as someone who had to plan on not carrying for the entire day if there was the possibility I'd go into DC during that day. Strange's appointment by Bentley is a Rod Blagojevich level of corruption. McConnell backing him just adds to Strange's stench as a political creature who will not try to change what is broken. If Strange is elected, he'll continue being McConnell's yes man. Roy Moore would be an absolute joke as a Senator. He'll be a Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren/Al Franken type of Senator, but he'll have an (R) beside his name so many people in Alabama, Republicans outside of AL, and on this website will give him a pass. If elected, I fully expect him to be censured before his reelection. I still don't know who I'll vote for, but it wont be Strange or Moore. *I actually saw this in the 2014 State Legislature election. A candidate - who I voted for - was campaigning about fighting Obama. It was even at the top of all of his campaign signs. In all the times I've read the Constitution - the US Constitution not that monstrosity that is the AL constitution - I did not see where state legislatures have anything to do to serve as a check and balance to the Federal Executive branch. Fortunately for him, I liked his stance on state gov involvement in education and my local school district's superintendent endorsed him so he got my vote and my wife's vote. The chances of seeing a significant shrinking of government and spending,and a bunch of pro gun stuff passing at the federal level are almost 0. The Republican Party loves the power and control as much as the democrats,and when you combine that with the apathy and ignorance of the voters (and general disdain for freedom),we get the government we deserve. I have no faith period in Government anymore. Not the parties, the candidates, the system, the bureaucrats, the "non-profits", etc.... The idea that our society is built upon is dead. FL is GOP run and all we get is bullshit. Corporate Welfare, Expansion of Government, and Block Freedom. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 11:41:39 AM EDT
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Both the GOP and Democrats are creatures of the same swamp. They're all fighting for the same thing. A job that grants them unlimited access to power, money, and elitism. They live lives that European Royalty 100 years ago would dream about. I have no faith period in Government anymore. Not the parties, the candidates, the system, the bureaucrats, the "non-profits", etc.... The idea that our society is built upon is dead. 
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Posted: 8/11/2017 11:43:05 AM EDT
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I am trying hard to think of rebuttals that would show you are being a fucking jackass by making those comments...............sadly I can't think of any rebuttals. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Both the GOP and Democrats are creatures of the same swamp. They're all fighting for the same thing. A job that grants them unlimited access to power, money, and elitism. They live lives that European Royalty 100 years ago would dream about. I have no faith period in Government anymore. Not the parties, the candidates, the system, the bureaucrats, the "non-profits", etc.... The idea that our society is built upon is dead. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 11:46:07 AM EDT
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I see no outcome where freedom wins. We are heading down the path of serfdom. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Both the GOP and Democrats are creatures of the same swamp. They're all fighting for the same thing. A job that grants them unlimited access to power, money, and elitism. They live lives that European Royalty 100 years ago would dream about. I have no faith period in Government anymore. Not the parties, the candidates, the system, the bureaucrats, the "non-profits", etc.... The idea that our society is built upon is dead. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 12:06:24 PM EDT
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Are you finally beginning to understand why I have always said I would give a military coup a try at this point or eventually??? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Both the GOP and Democrats are creatures of the same swamp. They're all fighting for the same thing. A job that grants them unlimited access to power, money, and elitism. They live lives that European Royalty 100 years ago would dream about. I have no faith period in Government anymore. Not the parties, the candidates, the system, the bureaucrats, the "non-profits", etc.... The idea that our society is built upon is dead. I'm not against it.... I can see a Junta running the show. What's the worse that happens? They continue down the same path of failure. The Constitution and the ideas it represents are nothing but stage props at this point. It is ceremonial theater like the rubber stamp legislature in North Korea or the Pomp and Circumstance that the UK does with regard to the Royal family. There is a ruling class, a warrior class, a bureaucrat class, the serfs, and the untouchables. Out of them all, the serfs are the worst off because they bare the weight of the State. When people discuss nation building they always discuss one of the failures in the ME is that there is no National Mythos for the people to rally around. Well, the US has its National Mythos and it is built around fraud and deception. The ideas of liberty and freedom, with minute men fighting off the crown, and the people having a voice via the Constitution is propaganda just like the Soviets had their bullshit. It was started when we became a world power and it was the defining national thought throughout the 20th Century in the US. But it is a lie. Our system of government and society functions in a manner that in no way supports the National Mythos. It has outlived it's usefulness so it is being replaced with identity politics and SJW bullshit. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 12:06:49 PM EDT
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I see no outcome where freedom wins. We are heading down the path of serfdom. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Both the GOP and Democrats are creatures of the same swamp. They're all fighting for the same thing. A job that grants them unlimited access to power, money, and elitism. They live lives that European Royalty 100 years ago would dream about. I have no faith period in Government anymore. Not the parties, the candidates, the system, the bureaucrats, the "non-profits", etc.... The idea that our society is built upon is dead. You put it into words much better than I do. 
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Posted: 8/11/2017 12:08:12 PM EDT
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I understand why a lot of shit happens. I understand why people support monarchy. Hell, I understand why Hitler got massive support from the German People. I'm not against it.... I can see a Junta running the show. What's the worse that happens? They continue down the same path of failure. The Constitution and the ideas it represents are nothing but stage props at this point. It is ceremonial theater like the rubber stamp legislature in North Korea or the Pomp and Circumstance that the UK does with regard to the Royal family. There is a ruling class, a warrior class, a bureaucrat class, the serfs, and the untouchables. Out of them all, the serfs are the worst off because they bare the weight of the State. When people discuss nation building they always discuss one of the failures in the ME is that there is no National Mythos for the people to rally around. Well, the US has its National Mythos and it is built around fraud and deception. The ideas of liberty and freedom, with minute men fighting off the crown, and the people having a voice via the Constitution is propaganda just like the Soviets had their bullshit. It was started when we became a world power and it was the defining national thought throughout the 20th Century in the US. But it is a lie. Our system of government and society functions in a manner that in no way supports the National Mythos. It has outlived it's usefulness so it is being replaced with identity politics and SJW bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Both the GOP and Democrats are creatures of the same swamp. They're all fighting for the same thing. A job that grants them unlimited access to power, money, and elitism. They live lives that European Royalty 100 years ago would dream about. I have no faith period in Government anymore. Not the parties, the candidates, the system, the bureaucrats, the "non-profits", etc.... The idea that our society is built upon is dead. I'm not against it.... I can see a Junta running the show. What's the worse that happens? They continue down the same path of failure. The Constitution and the ideas it represents are nothing but stage props at this point. It is ceremonial theater like the rubber stamp legislature in North Korea or the Pomp and Circumstance that the UK does with regard to the Royal family. There is a ruling class, a warrior class, a bureaucrat class, the serfs, and the untouchables. Out of them all, the serfs are the worst off because they bare the weight of the State. When people discuss nation building they always discuss one of the failures in the ME is that there is no National Mythos for the people to rally around. Well, the US has its National Mythos and it is built around fraud and deception. The ideas of liberty and freedom, with minute men fighting off the crown, and the people having a voice via the Constitution is propaganda just like the Soviets had their bullshit. It was started when we became a world power and it was the defining national thought throughout the 20th Century in the US. But it is a lie. Our system of government and society functions in a manner that in no way supports the National Mythos. It has outlived it's usefulness so it is being replaced with identity politics and SJW bullshit.
You might very well be correct...............a few of my buddies feel exactly the same as you and they are in their early seventies and seen a lot in their lives. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 12:10:19 PM EDT
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Are you finally beginning to understand why I have always said I would give a military coup a try at this point or eventually??? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Both the GOP and Democrats are creatures of the same swamp. They're all fighting for the same thing. A job that grants them unlimited access to power, money, and elitism. They live lives that European Royalty 100 years ago would dream about. I have no faith period in Government anymore. Not the parties, the candidates, the system, the bureaucrats, the "non-profits", etc.... The idea that our society is built upon is dead. We are getting the government we deserve.If the people wanted freedom and to follow the Constitution,they would vote that way. I guess we could have the military rule 100% by the Constitution-anyone straying from it would be shot.Only a matter of time before it would be corrupted at the top as well. For anyone wanting small government,limited spending,and freedom,it's over,and been over a long time... |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 12:16:47 PM EDT
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Anyone McConnell backs is going to be loyal to McConnell and if recent history is a guide....they'll stall Trump's agenda Sure glad we have a guy who is taking on the GOPe.... 
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Posted: 8/11/2017 12:16:58 PM EDT
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Why? We are getting the government we deserve.If the people wanted freedom and to follow the Constitution,they would vote that way. I guess we could have the military rule 100% by the Constitution-anyone straying from it would be shot.Only a matter of time before it would be corrupted at the top as well. For anyone wanting small government,limited spending,and freedom,it's over,and been over a long time... The problems we have are multi-generational and were started by people born before the year 1900. There is no quick turn around. One or two Election Cycles won't fix this. It is a societal problem and that takes at least 100 years to fix it. We're fucked.... simple as that. We're gonna crash and burn. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 12:17:32 PM EDT
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Why? We are getting the government we deserve.If the people wanted freedom and to follow the Constitution,they would vote that way. I guess we could have the military rule 100% by the Constitution-anyone straying from it would be shot.Only a matter of time before it would be corrupted at the top as well. For anyone wanting small government,limited spending,and freedom,it's over,and been over a long time... (I hope Bohr doesn't see this!!! )
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Posted: 8/11/2017 12:37:34 PM EDT
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If trump can pull off his second term, it's going to be a lot different than this one... he's spending a lot of time/capital trying to figure out the learning curve that is shady-ass-Washington-politics. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone McConnell backs is going to be loyal to McConnell and if recent history is a guide....they'll stall Trump's agenda Sure glad we have a guy who is taking on the GOPe....
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Posted: 8/11/2017 12:40:25 PM EDT
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The majority of the people know no other way. The people don't know what freedom is because they never lived in it nor did their parents or grandparents. The senior citizens of our society today were young adults during the era of FDR, the New Deal, the creation of Socialist Welfare Programs like Social Security, GI Bill, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, WIC, Civilian Conservation Corps, Employee Subsidized Health Care Insurance, etc.... The problems we have are multi-generational and were started by people born before the year 1900. There is no quick turn around. One or two Election Cycles won't fix this. It is a societal problem and that takes at least 100 years to fix it. We're fucked.... simple as that. We're gonna crash and burn. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why? We are getting the government we deserve.If the people wanted freedom and to follow the Constitution,they would vote that way. I guess we could have the military rule 100% by the Constitution-anyone straying from it would be shot.Only a matter of time before it would be corrupted at the top as well. For anyone wanting small government,limited spending,and freedom,it's over,and been over a long time... The problems we have are multi-generational and were started by people born before the year 1900. There is no quick turn around. One or two Election Cycles won't fix this. It is a societal problem and that takes at least 100 years to fix it. We're fucked.... simple as that. We're gonna crash and burn. No fixing the societal problem when it's gets worse with every passing day.
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Posted: 8/11/2017 12:41:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/11/2017 12:42:00 PM EDT
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If "we" reelect the vast majority of the same shit in the House and Senate again,how much do you think will change? Modern Politics is Party not Individual Candidates. The down vote will keep the Elites in power. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 12:46:04 PM EDT
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If trump can pull off his second term, it's going to be a lot different than this one... he's spending a lot of time/capital trying to figure out the learning curve that is shady-ass-Washington-politics. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone McConnell backs is going to be loyal to McConnell and if recent history is a guide....they'll stall Trump's agenda Sure glad we have a guy who is taking on the GOPe....
"Give Trump a chance and he will drain the swamp" "He's only been in office "Just wait till his second term, you'll see" |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 12:51:32 PM EDT
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That's the spirit "Give Trump a chance and he will drain the swamp" "He's only been in office "Just wait till his second term, you'll see" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone McConnell backs is going to be loyal to McConnell and if recent history is a guide....they'll stall Trump's agenda Sure glad we have a guy who is taking on the GOPe....
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Posted: 8/11/2017 1:57:46 PM EDT
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It's going to be Moore and Strange in a runoff and I think Moore will get it. It's going to be interesting if Moore becomes a US Senator. OP you must have really hated your time in AL.
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Posted: 8/11/2017 2:01:27 PM EDT
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From a state politics POV, AL is just as fucked up as any other state that has de facto single party rule. Would I choose AL over a Democratic controlled state like CA? Of course. But with the amount of alleged Conservatives holding office and as constituents, I'd expect better. When every statewide election is determined in the Republican primary, elected officials know they are pretty safe to do whatever they want. After all, what are you going to do after some legislation that should be a slam dunk dies in subcommittee (like Constitutional Carry did this year)? Vote for the Democrat? LOL. In AL that's just as pointless as voting 3rd party in a Presidential election. They even fuck up pubic referendums (see the state park question on November's ballot among a few others). You'd think someone who supports limited government would like living in a state that has Republicans with a 72-33 Majority in the State Legislature, a 26-8-1 Majority in the State Senate, and a Republican governor. But most of these elected officials would still be Democrats if we could get in a time machine and take them back before 1994. Arizona is a good example of Repubs having both houses and the Governorship yet still getting limited government stuff accomplished, because there are still enough Democrats holding seats in the state House of Reps and state Senate where Repubs must actually do what they campaign on instead of giving broad platitudes about hunting, going to church, and fighting Democrats/Obama/Pelosi* during the Primary and General then doing very little if anything that would be labeled "conservative" if there weren't Super-majorities of Republicans in both houses pushing it through. Living in Alabama has reminded me why politically I'm more of a Rocky Mountain/Big Sky Republican type of voter. Republicans in Alabama want the same size of government as Alabama Democrats do, but the AL Repubs just want the size of gov to be in the areas that align with their interests. Collectively no one in this state - not the voters or those they elect - actually wants the government to do less and spend less. Circling back to this special election, I'm not a huge fan of either of the three major contenders. Brooks' Congressional Carry proposal is a slap in the face to me as someone who had to plan on not carrying for the entire day if there was the possibility I'd go into DC during that day. Strange's appointment by Bentley is a Rod Blagojevich level of corruption. McConnell backing him just adds to Strange's stench as a political creature who will not try to change what is broken. If Strange is elected, he'll continue being McConnell's yes man. Roy Moore would be an absolute joke as a Senator. He'll be a Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren/Al Franken type of Senator, but he'll have an (R) beside his name so many people in Alabama, Republicans outside of AL, and on this website will give him a pass. If elected, I fully expect him to be censured before his reelection. I still don't know who I'll vote for, but it wont be Strange or Moore. *I actually saw this in the 2014 State Legislature election. A candidate - who I voted for - was campaigning about fighting Obama. It was even at the top of all of his campaign signs. In all the times I've read the Constitution - the US Constitution not that monstrosity that is the AL constitution - I did not see where state legislatures have anything to do to serve as a check and balance to the Federal Executive branch. Fortunately for him, I liked his stance on state gov involvement in education and my local school district's superintendent endorsed him so he got my vote and my wife's vote. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP you must have really hated your time in AL. When every statewide election is determined in the Republican primary, elected officials know they are pretty safe to do whatever they want. After all, what are you going to do after some legislation that should be a slam dunk dies in subcommittee (like Constitutional Carry did this year)? Vote for the Democrat? LOL. In AL that's just as pointless as voting 3rd party in a Presidential election. They even fuck up pubic referendums (see the state park question on November's ballot among a few others). You'd think someone who supports limited government would like living in a state that has Republicans with a 72-33 Majority in the State Legislature, a 26-8-1 Majority in the State Senate, and a Republican governor. But most of these elected officials would still be Democrats if we could get in a time machine and take them back before 1994. Arizona is a good example of Repubs having both houses and the Governorship yet still getting limited government stuff accomplished, because there are still enough Democrats holding seats in the state House of Reps and state Senate where Repubs must actually do what they campaign on instead of giving broad platitudes about hunting, going to church, and fighting Democrats/Obama/Pelosi* during the Primary and General then doing very little if anything that would be labeled "conservative" if there weren't Super-majorities of Republicans in both houses pushing it through. Living in Alabama has reminded me why politically I'm more of a Rocky Mountain/Big Sky Republican type of voter. Republicans in Alabama want the same size of government as Alabama Democrats do, but the AL Repubs just want the size of gov to be in the areas that align with their interests. Collectively no one in this state - not the voters or those they elect - actually wants the government to do less and spend less. Circling back to this special election, I'm not a huge fan of either of the three major contenders. Brooks' Congressional Carry proposal is a slap in the face to me as someone who had to plan on not carrying for the entire day if there was the possibility I'd go into DC during that day. Strange's appointment by Bentley is a Rod Blagojevich level of corruption. McConnell backing him just adds to Strange's stench as a political creature who will not try to change what is broken. If Strange is elected, he'll continue being McConnell's yes man. Roy Moore would be an absolute joke as a Senator. He'll be a Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren/Al Franken type of Senator, but he'll have an (R) beside his name so many people in Alabama, Republicans outside of AL, and on this website will give him a pass. If elected, I fully expect him to be censured before his reelection. I still don't know who I'll vote for, but it wont be Strange or Moore. *I actually saw this in the 2014 State Legislature election. A candidate - who I voted for - was campaigning about fighting Obama. It was even at the top of all of his campaign signs. In all the times I've read the Constitution - the US Constitution not that monstrosity that is the AL constitution - I did not see where state legislatures have anything to do to serve as a check and balance to the Federal Executive branch. Fortunately for him, I liked his stance on state gov involvement in education and my local school district's superintendent endorsed him so he got my vote and my wife's vote. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 2:09:20 PM EDT
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The Borg don't have shit on D.C. No matter who gets sent there, they become just another politician willing to do or say whatever will allow them to stay there.
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Posted: 8/11/2017 2:18:19 PM EDT
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I think I'd prefer it if Trump abstained from making endorsements in R primaries. No matter which way it goes, he makes enemies inside his own party. Try to sink the campaigns of the most ardent lefties. Diane Feinstein is wonderful human being who will help MAGA! |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 2:23:41 PM EDT
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If trump can pull off his second term, it's going to be a lot different than this one... he's spending a lot of time/capital trying to figure out the learning curve that is shady-ass-Washington-politics. DRAIN THE SWAMP (in 4 years)... |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 2:46:17 PM EDT
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So that's how it is. DRAIN THE SWAMP (in 4 years)... |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 2:48:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/11/2017 2:59:40 PM EDT
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Back in those days they tried to get me to run for a state representative as a democrat. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP you must have really hated your time in AL. When every statewide election is determined in the Republican primary, elected officials know they are pretty safe to do whatever they want. After all, what are you going to do after some legislation that should be a slam dunk dies in subcommittee (like Constitutional Carry did this year)? Vote for the Democrat? LOL. In AL that's just as pointless as voting 3rd party in a Presidential election. They even fuck up pubic referendums (see the state park question on November's ballot among a few others). You'd think someone who supports limited government would like living in a state that has Republicans with a 72-33 Majority in the State Legislature, a 26-8-1 Majority in the State Senate, and a Republican governor. But most of these elected officials would still be Democrats if we could get in a time machine and take them back before 1994. Arizona is a good example of Repubs having both houses and the Governorship yet still getting limited government stuff accomplished, because there are still enough Democrats holding seats in the state House of Reps and state Senate where Repubs must actually do what they campaign on instead of giving broad platitudes about hunting, going to church, and fighting Democrats/Obama/Pelosi* during the Primary and General then doing very little if anything that would be labeled "conservative" if there weren't Super-majorities of Republicans in both houses pushing it through. Living in Alabama has reminded me why politically I'm more of a Rocky Mountain/Big Sky Republican type of voter. Republicans in Alabama want the same size of government as Alabama Democrats do, but the AL Repubs just want the size of gov to be in the areas that align with their interests. Collectively no one in this state - not the voters or those they elect - actually wants the government to do less and spend less. Circling back to this special election, I'm not a huge fan of either of the three major contenders. Brooks' Congressional Carry proposal is a slap in the face to me as someone who had to plan on not carrying for the entire day if there was the possibility I'd go into DC during that day. Strange's appointment by Bentley is a Rod Blagojevich level of corruption. McConnell backing him just adds to Strange's stench as a political creature who will not try to change what is broken. If Strange is elected, he'll continue being McConnell's yes man. Roy Moore would be an absolute joke as a Senator. He'll be a Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren/Al Franken type of Senator, but he'll have an (R) beside his name so many people in Alabama, Republicans outside of AL, and on this website will give him a pass. If elected, I fully expect him to be censured before his reelection. I still don't know who I'll vote for, but it wont be Strange or Moore. *I actually saw this in the 2014 State Legislature election. A candidate - who I voted for - was campaigning about fighting Obama. It was even at the top of all of his campaign signs. In all the times I've read the Constitution - the US Constitution not that monstrosity that is the AL constitution - I did not see where state legislatures have anything to do to serve as a check and balance to the Federal Executive branch. Fortunately for him, I liked his stance on state gov involvement in education and my local school district's superintendent endorsed him so he got my vote and my wife's vote. I have a couple of theories on why Alabama (and GA and MS) Republicans are more authoritarian compared to their western colleagues but right now they are in the rambling, slightly coherent state of thought. Maybe one day I'll try to type it up in a coherent fashion. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 3:26:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/11/2017 4:02:31 PM EDT
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/08/10/trumps_backing_of_strange_has_ala_conservatives_reeling_134715.html
For Matt Murphy, a conservative radio host in Alabama, the president’s endorsement suggested Trump “has no clue who Luther is ... and he just stabbed Mo in the back,” Murphy tweeted. “Too bad, really. Mitch [McConnell] running the show??”
Other conservative activists echoed Murphy’s concerns, expressing doubt that Trump could have made a truly informed endorsement. On WVNN radio, host Dale Jackson said Wednesday, “I don’t think [Trump] knows about what’s happening in the great state of Alabama. So, much like ignorant voters, I would prefer they shh, and let us handle it.” Jackson’s guest for the segment was Alabama state Rep. Ed Henry, a Brooks supporter and Trump’s state campaign co-chairman, who was also reeling from the president’s decision. “What I kept telling the people around him was, he just needs to stay out of it,” Henry said. “There’s no reason to get in it. Let the people of Alabama decide who we send to Washington, D.C., to help him.” But, Henry speculated, “the forces of the establishment are very, very strong, and they finally got to” the president. For Brooks and his supporters, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has emerged as a leading bogeyman in the special election — with McConnell’s Senate Leadership Fund having spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on the race to boost Strange and knock down his rivals. Meanwhile, party leaders authorized the National Republican Senatorial Committee to spend as much as $350,000 backing the incumbent. Although McConnell no doubt welcomed the president’s endorsement, the suggestion that he was pulling the strings might be giving the Senate leader too much credit: On Twitter this week, Trump also bashed him over the Senate’s failure to advance health care legislation — suggesting the two men’s relationship is not rosy. Brooks on Wednesday tweeted his support for Trump’s anti-McConnell tweets, adding: “McConnell & Strange don't support your agenda. I do. Reconsider endorsement @realDonaldTrump? #DitchMitch” But Strange’s allies suggested McConnell was less of a factor in the coup than Strange himself, who aligns politically with Trump and has supported his agenda in Washington. Hooper said he had spoken with “several folks in the West Wing” in making the case for Strange and lobbying for an endorsement by the president. “The reason he endorsed Sen. Strange was because of loyalty, with a capital ‘L,’” said Hooper. “Sen. Strange was loyal to President Trump, and vice versa.” On Tuesday, the president called Strange with the good news “and said, ‘You have been with me, you have really helped me, I want to support you and give you my total support,’” Hooper said, based on descriptions of the call he received from the campaign manager and Strange himself. “The president said, ‘When would you like me to do that?’ And Luther said, ‘Immediately.’” Trump remains extremely popular among Alabama Republicans — and he has loomed especially large over the rivalry between Strange and Brooks, with each boasting of their credentials as the president’s biggest supporter who would be most helpful to him in Washington. In one of Brooks’ ads, titled “Support Trump,” he touted a campaign donation to Trump’s cause and his voting record in Congress supporting the president’s agenda, while attempting to associate Strange with McConnell. And Brooks kicked off a 23-stop bus tour last week with a distinctly Trump-ian slogan: “Drain the Swamp.” “But then you have the anti-establishment swamp-drainer himself coming in to endorse [Strange],” said Scott Stone, a veteran Republican campaign strategist in Alabama who is unaffiliated with any of the candidates. “It’s going to give some Mo Brooks supporters pause.” Among those supporters are some of the president’s most ardent boosters on the political right. Brooks has been endorsed by Fox News anchor and Trump-whisperer Sean Hannity, whom Brooks knows personally from a stopover by Hannity in Alabama during the early ’90s; conservative radio host Mark Levin; and commentator Laura Ingraham. “Luther Strange is the favorite of all the people who in my mind have been a problem for conservatism in the last 20 years,” Ingraham said when she announced her endorsement. But now the president, too, might be part of the “problem” — a revelation that has been difficult for some of his loyal backers to stomach. Levin on Monday blasted “Trump’s pathetic endorsement of Luther Strange, McConnell's RINO puppet, screwing conservatives in Alabama and across the nation.” “I don't want to hear this outsider crap anymore,” Levin added. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 4:07:18 PM EDT
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"GET READY TO LITERALLY POSSIBLY DRAIN THE SWAMP SOMEDAY MAYBE." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So that's how it is. DRAIN THE SWAMP (in 4 years)... As history shows,that is not very likely to happen. Hell,look at some of the R Presidential candidates we have had-anti gun,big government,pro mandated healthcare,etc...,and people came out and supported them. (yeah yeah,lesser evil).
Shocking that the hard core Republican "no matter what" supporters haven't stopped in to give us all a schooling on the Party.....
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Posted: 8/11/2017 4:11:08 PM EDT
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Trump can only do so much-it's up to the people to clean house. As history shows,that is not very likely to happen. Hell,look at some of the R Presidential candidates we have had-anti gun,big government,pro mandated healthcare,etc...,and people came out and supported them. (yeah yeah,lesser evil).
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So that's how it is. DRAIN THE SWAMP (in 4 years)... As history shows,that is not very likely to happen. Hell,look at some of the R Presidential candidates we have had-anti gun,big government,pro mandated healthcare,etc...,and people came out and supported them. (yeah yeah,lesser evil).
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Posted: 8/11/2017 4:15:15 PM EDT
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I won't profess to know what President Trump's plan is, but I'm confident this is part of it.
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Posted: 8/11/2017 4:26:02 PM EDT
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So that's how it is. DRAIN THE SWAMP (in 4 years)... As history shows,that is not very likely to happen. Hell,look at some of the R Presidential candidates we have had-anti gun,big government,pro mandated healthcare,etc...,and people came out and supported them. (yeah yeah,lesser evil).
Shocking that the hard core Republican "no matter what" supporters haven't stopped in to give us all a schooling on the Party..... He endorsed Paul Ryan and McCain too,among others.
Even Rand Paul played the game by endorsing McConnell FFS.
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Posted: 8/11/2017 5:23:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/11/2017 5:44:59 PM EDT
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I won't profess to know what President Trump's plan is, but I'm confident this is part of it. Yep,some massive interdimensional strategy going on for sure. Way above what us simple peasants can imagine........
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Posted: 8/11/2017 5:50:02 PM EDT
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I won't profess to know what President Trump's plan is, but I'm confident this is part of it. Where he has failed is keeping the campaign promises that he made that involves Congress. When the first shitty Healthcare replace bill was being debated, he moved quickly to support it and attacked those who didn't. He campaigned on free market solutions and elimination of mandates but the replacement bill didnt offer either of those. What it offered was the ability to say that he fulfilled a campaign promise and ended Obamacare not matter how bad it was Trump is not making an ideological endorsement. I think that he is calculating that more stuff will move through congress if the leadership has more drones and that is why he is supporting them. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 6:58:59 PM EDT
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.... Trump is not making an ideological endorsement. I think that he is calculating that more stuff will move through congress if the leadership has more drones and that is why he is supporting them. Mitch McConnell has no interest in building the wall, or repealing ObamaCare, or reforming/reducing taxes. Surely you understand that? |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 7:26:11 PM EDT
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lol Yep,some massive interdimensional strategy going on for sure. Way above what us simple peasants can imagine........
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Posted: 8/11/2017 7:31:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/11/2017 7:40:18 PM EDT
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No fake news here. Trump endorsed Luther Strange, who is one of McConnell's yes men. 6/7/17 AL.com - McConnell groups backing Luther Strange to run $2.4M in ads starting next week 7/31/17 Politico - McConnell wages war down South Strange was only appointed to fill Sessions' seat because the Love Gov was being investigated by Strange's office. Love Gov Bentley later resigned, you may remember. 11/3/16 Bentley impeachment process on hold for investigation by AG Strange 4/12/17 Bentley wanted to 'get rid' of Luther Strange, lawmaker says Strange's main challengers are Rep. Mo Brooks (Freedom Caucus) and Roy Moore (a favorite among the evangelicals). Praise KEK, MAGA, 3D Chess, You Don't Understand How Business Works, He's only been in the DC for 7 months, You seem concerned, etc... OP: You forgot: "....but he's not a politician..." Praise Kek. 48-D underwater backgammon. Bigly. |
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