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Posted: 1/17/2023 8:51:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But can you shoot the IWI Carmel by the sea?  Clint Eastwood can |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 8:53:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This guy's insta page is showing a Holosun thermal fusion sight..... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/Screenshot_20230116-210349_Instagram_jpg-2674996.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/Screenshot_20230116-210544_Instagram_jpg-2674999.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/Screenshot_20230116-210537_Instagram_jpg-2675000.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I hope they have more than that... This guy's insta page is showing a Holosun thermal fusion sight..... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/Screenshot_20230116-210349_Instagram_jpg-2674996.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/Screenshot_20230116-210544_Instagram_jpg-2674999.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/Screenshot_20230116-210537_Instagram_jpg-2675000.JPG I'd definitely buy that |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 8:54:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: New PTR 5.56 rifles. https://www.ptr-us.com/product/ptr-63/ They also have A3 style stocks and cans listed https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/53395/ghjg_PNG-2675007.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/53395/fghgfh_PNG-2675008.JPG Need to see the MKE first, but that is interesting |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 8:55:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. Wide handguard and standard angle grip, it might be okay. They got close....kinda https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/53395/DSC_0862a_jpg-2675176.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That PTR-63 looks a lot like the HK G41. The dual upper/lower stock pins, the bolt and mag releases seem to match the G41 design. Honestly, if they ditch that retarded muh-operator-tactical 10-degree grip angle for something in the 25-35 degree range it'd look more normal. PTR's Mlok handguards also don't do it for me, but that appears to be a standard HK93 carbine length one, easy to replace. Dunno, could be a winner. Yup. Wide handguard and standard angle grip, it might be okay. They got close....kinda https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/53395/DSC_0862a_jpg-2675176.JPG They put the wrong furniture on as the "flagship reveal", but otherwise seem to have nailed the G41 vibe. I am already strategizing how to afford one, because there aren't any G41s to buy, I like roller locks, but don't want to fuck with HK33 type (or any other type) mags. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 9:43:01 AM EST
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I'll get one either way, bc it is different, but I just think they could have had an out of the park homer if they would have stuck with the 33 entirely. People buying these guns are doing it bc they want stanag compatibility, well at least most aren't. We want them bc of nostalgia, clone worthiness, SOMETHING that isn't an AR or takes AR accessories.
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Posted: 1/17/2023 9:44:14 AM EST
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And I'm sure we will figure out how to get a regular lower/trigger to work. Which is another point, PTR's usually are sear friendly, I doubt this will be.
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Posted: 1/17/2023 9:55:35 AM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And I'm sure we will figure out how to get a regular lower/trigger to work. Which is another point, PTR's usually are sear friendly, I doubt this will be. https://www.ptr-us.com/product/ptr-63/ "ACTION Semi-automatic (Host ready for NFA-registered, auto sear pack)" |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:01:45 AM EST
[#8]
Good lord that PTR is ugly as shit
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:03:55 AM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good lord that PTR is ugly as shit It really is. Not sure what the thought was. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:07:15 AM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Smith & Wesson M&P 5.7 - 22 rd capacity - Internal hammer - Optics ready (no plate) - New flat face trigger design  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-lyE22ekM8Pretty cool from S&W, but I still don't see the need for a 5.7, especially when ammo is few and far between. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:08:43 AM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 2. Does anybody make an AR grip that looks like an HK grip? |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:12:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty cool from S&W, but I still don't see the need for a 5.7, especially when ammo is few and far between. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Smith & Wesson M&P 5.7 - 22 rd capacity - Internal hammer - Optics ready (no plate) - New flat face trigger design https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-lyE22ekM8Pretty cool from S&W, but I still don't see the need for a 5.7, especially when ammo is few and far between. Ammo companies: "We don't see the need for increasing 5.7 production, especially when guns chambered for it are few and far between." |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:15:36 AM EST
[#13]
Come on baby show me the Carmel!
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:16:50 AM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That looks awesome. Lets just hope PSA is cranking out more 5.7 ammo. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Smith & Wesson M&P 5.7 - 22 rd capacity - Internal hammer - Optics ready (no plate) - New flat face trigger design https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-lyE22ekM8That looks awesome. Lets just hope PSA is cranking out more 5.7 ammo. With Ruger and S&W making major investments into 5.7 firearms in the last couple years, I think it's a safe bet we're going to see more than FN, Federal AE, and PSA/AAC making token amounts of ammo. I'd expect other Vista companies (Federal, CCI, Remington, Speer) to kick out other loads soon, and larger international brands like S&B, PPU, or Magtech might not be far behind. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:18:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ammo companies: "We don't see the need for increasing 5.7 production, especially when guns chambered for it are few and far between." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Smith & Wesson M&P 5.7 - 22 rd capacity - Internal hammer - Optics ready (no plate) - New flat face trigger design https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-lyE22ekM8Pretty cool from S&W, but I still don't see the need for a 5.7, especially when ammo is few and far between. Ammo companies: "We don't see the need for increasing 5.7 production, especially when guns chambered for it are few and far between." PSA/AAC: "Hold my beer and watch this!" 
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:18:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. They put the wrong furniture on as the "flagship reveal", but otherwise seem to have nailed the G41 vibe. I am already strategizing how to afford one, because there aren't any G41s to buy, I like roller locks, but don't want to fuck with HK33 type (or any other type) mags. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: That PTR-63 looks a lot like the HK G41. The dual upper/lower stock pins, the bolt and mag releases seem to match the G41 design. Honestly, if they ditch that retarded muh-operator-tactical 10-degree grip angle for something in the 25-35 degree range it'd look more normal. PTR's Mlok handguards also don't do it for me, but that appears to be a standard HK93 carbine length one, easy to replace. Dunno, could be a winner. Yup. Wide handguard and standard angle grip, it might be okay. They got close....kinda https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/53395/DSC_0862a_jpg-2675176.JPG They put the wrong furniture on as the "flagship reveal", but otherwise seem to have nailed the G41 vibe. I am already strategizing how to afford one, because there aren't any G41s to buy, I like roller locks, but don't want to fuck with HK33 type (or any other type) mags. But but... Arfcom Gee Dee says it's not good because it doesn't use obscure surplus mags.
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:19:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The OG Ergo is pretty reminiscent of a G3 grip. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 2. Does anybody make an AR grip that looks like an HK grip? Definitely comes closer than the grip PTR is using in their pictures. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:23:53 AM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But but... Arfcom Gee Dee says it's not good because it doesn't use obscure surplus mags. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That PTR-63 looks a lot like the HK G41. The dual upper/lower stock pins, the bolt and mag releases seem to match the G41 design. Honestly, if they ditch that retarded muh-operator-tactical 10-degree grip angle for something in the 25-35 degree range it'd look more normal. PTR's Mlok handguards also don't do it for me, but that appears to be a standard HK93 carbine length one, easy to replace. Dunno, could be a winner. Yup. Wide handguard and standard angle grip, it might be okay. They got close....kinda https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/53395/DSC_0862a_jpg-2675176.JPG They put the wrong furniture on as the "flagship reveal", but otherwise seem to have nailed the G41 vibe. I am already strategizing how to afford one, because there aren't any G41s to buy, I like roller locks, but don't want to fuck with HK33 type (or any other type) mags. But but... Arfcom Gee Dee says it's not good because it doesn't use obscure surplus mags. Wasn't somebody making a kit to mod the mag well to accept AR mags, for people building from an HK parts kit? |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:28:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  Not every gun has to be for HSLD Tactical Timmy. Its a competition focused gun from a competition focused custom shop.No it doesn’t, and there are plenty of models from them that are not, so why are you upset that others want more optic ready options from them? |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:29:21 AM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wasn't somebody making a kit to mod the mag well to accept AR mags, for people building from an HK parts kit? |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:31:11 AM EST
[#21]
A curveball from Henry:
They are making a 9mm semiauto PCC called the "Homesteader."    Like the Ruger PC Carbine, it uses a mag well adapter system. There's one for a new Henry mag, one for Glock mags, and one that uses M&P or P320 mags. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/16/shot-2023-henry-usas-new-semiauto-9mm-carbine-homesteader/ |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:32:39 AM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A curveball from Henry: They are making a 9mm semiauto PCC called the "Homesteader." https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/TFB_HenryHomesteader_2.jpeg https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/TFB_HenryHomesteader_4.jpeg https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/TFB_HenryHomesteader_3.jpeg Like the Ruger PC Carbine, it uses a mag well adapter system. There's one for a new Henry mag, one for Glock mags, and one that uses M&P or P320 mags. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/16/shot-2023-henry-usas-new-semiauto-9mm-carbine-homesteader/ Not bad, not bad at all. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:33:17 AM EST
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I....negotiated..... a spot with Kahr Firearms to get into the show.
Never been here before, so what should I do, and where should I go? |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:33:39 AM EST
[#24]
And here's the Taurus revolver that has a Holosun K footprint mount:
 https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/16/shot-2023-lots-new-revolvers-taurus-rossi/ |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:35:07 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The main issues is that digital night vision requires a lot more ambient light than intensifier tubes. The majority of the $60 NV cameras use IR flood light as well which is not passive. Those $60 NV cameras really only can see in the dark as far as the IR light can throw. It does now, but won't for long. The HIGH END stuff soon will be just as good as typical, original night vision. The demos I've seen are truly incredible : They're shooting daytime quality 4k videos at midnight while very overcast. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:37:32 AM EST
[#26]
The PTR 63 is ugly, but that’s moot if their builders still don’t know how to make guns with proper bolt gap.
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:43:26 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A curveball from Henry: They are making a 9mm semiauto PCC called the "Homesteader." https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/TFB_HenryHomesteader_2.jpeg https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/TFB_HenryHomesteader_4.jpeg https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/TFB_HenryHomesteader_3.jpeg Like the Ruger PC Carbine, it uses a mag well adapter system. There's one for a new Henry mag, one for Glock mags, and one that uses M&P or P320 mags. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/16/shot-2023-henry-usas-new-semiauto-9mm-carbine-homesteader/ Oh, wow. Didn't expect that, nice! |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:46:21 AM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A curveball from Henry: They are making a 9mm semiauto PCC called the "Homesteader." https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/TFB_HenryHomesteader_2.jpeg https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/TFB_HenryHomesteader_4.jpeg https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/TFB_HenryHomesteader_3.jpeg Like the Ruger PC Carbine, it uses a mag well adapter system. There's one for a new Henry mag, one for Glock mags, and one that uses M&P or P320 mags. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/16/shot-2023-henry-usas-new-semiauto-9mm-carbine-homesteader/ Geez this SHOT will be expensive for me. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:48:13 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And here's the Taurus revolver that has a Holosun K footprint mount: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/IMG_3018.jpeg https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/16/shot-2023-lots-new-revolvers-taurus-rossi/ Come on S&W. Where you at? |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:48:28 AM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A curveball from Henry: They are making a 9mm semiauto PCC called the "Homesteader." https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/TFB_HenryHomesteader_2.jpeg https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/TFB_HenryHomesteader_4.jpeg https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/TFB_HenryHomesteader_3.jpeg Like the Ruger PC Carbine, it uses a mag well adapter system. There's one for a new Henry mag, one for Glock mags, and one that uses M&P or P320 mags. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/16/shot-2023-henry-usas-new-semiauto-9mm-carbine-homesteader/ Oh Snap. I like this. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:49:35 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A curveball from Henry: They are making a 9mm semiauto PCC called the "Homesteader." https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/TFB_HenryHomesteader_4.jpeg https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/16/shot-2023-henry-usas-new-semiauto-9mm-carbine-homesteader/ I dig it but WTF is that rear sight doing there? That isn't how ghost rings work my dudes. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:51:05 AM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I dig it but WTF is that rear sight doing there? That isn't how ghost rings work my dudes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A curveball from Henry: They are making a 9mm semiauto PCC called the "Homesteader." https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/TFB_HenryHomesteader_4.jpeg https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/16/shot-2023-henry-usas-new-semiauto-9mm-carbine-homesteader/ I dig it but WTF is that rear sight doing there? That isn't how ghost rings work my dudes. Probably a compromise on how to get an optics rail mounted on the receiver. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:51:30 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Smith & Wesson M&P 5.7 - 22 rd capacity - Internal hammer - Optics ready (no plate) - New flat face trigger design https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-lyE22ekM8Sorta want |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 10:52:19 AM EST
[#34]
Shot show starts today.
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Posted: 1/17/2023 11:00:43 AM EST
[#35]
DEADAIR Mojave-9
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Posted: 1/17/2023 11:03:42 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A curveball from Henry: They are making a 9mm semiauto PCC called the "Homesteader." https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/TFB_HenryHomesteader_2.jpeg https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/TFB_HenryHomesteader_4.jpeg https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/TFB_HenryHomesteader_3.jpeg Like the Ruger PC Carbine, it uses a mag well adapter system. There's one for a new Henry mag, one for Glock mags, and one that uses M&P or P320 mags. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/16/shot-2023-henry-usas-new-semiauto-9mm-carbine-homesteader/ Oh snap! |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 11:07:46 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not bad, not bad at all. Hardly wait to see them advertised in "Our Wisconsin" magazine...that should give Evers & Kaul fits...  |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 11:11:14 AM EST
[#38]
Market is already saturated, with more than enough options to fit all needs. The industry and their marketing is becoming ridiculous.
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Posted: 1/17/2023 11:14:40 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A curveball from Henry: They are making a 9mm semiauto PCC called the "Homesteader." https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/TFB_HenryHomesteader_2.jpeg https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/TFB_HenryHomesteader_4.jpeg https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/TFB_HenryHomesteader_3.jpeg Like the Ruger PC Carbine, it uses a mag well adapter system. There's one for a new Henry mag, one for Glock mags, and one that uses M&P or P320 mags. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/16/shot-2023-henry-usas-new-semiauto-9mm-carbine-homesteader/ Not bad, people will be ticked they're making a new gun and not pumping out .357 leverguns though. Here's a comment from that link- "One day I'll get my Henry American made SxS shotgun. One day...." I want a coach gun and pump action rifles! 17" threaded pump .44 with a pistol grip would probably be a buy now for me. An arfcommer said Henry showed him a prototype revolver during a tour. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 11:25:25 AM EST
[#40]
According to Magpul and Zev, their wacky folding FDP-9/FDC-9 is in final testing and production planning for a 2023 release.
 It’s been two years since we announced the partnership between ZEV Technologies and Magpul to create the Folding Defensive Pistol and the Folding Defensive Carbine. We’re pivoting to final testing and production planning, and the plan is for the FDP-9 and FDC-9 to be available through ZEV Technologies in 2023. The classification of the FDP-9 means you’ll be able to purchase it like any other handgun, while the FDC-9 is classified as a short-barreled rifle. You’ll be able to convert your FDP to an FDC with an added conversion part after you receive your approved form 1, or by purchasing it as a factory SBR with an approved form 4. Testing and producing a project of this scale is a huge part of the process that can’t be rushed. Unlike the original folding concept firearm, which merely allowed the demonstration of an idea, the FDP-9 is a complete redesign of that concept meant to increase durability, reliability, practicality, and to incorporate important safety features and regulatory compliance features necessary to create a very real and usable firearm. We’re preparing for the release in 2023 and we’re looking forward to sharing the final product that so many have waited for since the concept was first shown more than a decade ago. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 11:25:59 AM EST
[#41]
SIG Sauer's MCX-Spear They will start shipping the .308 version first towards the end of February. MSRP $4,199
 SIG Sauer MCX-Spear -- SHOT Show 2023 SIG MCX Spear now available in 6.5 Creedmoor  SIG MCX Spear now available in 6.5 Creedmoor |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 11:30:55 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And here's the Taurus revolver that has a Holosun K footprint mount: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/IMG_3018.jpeg https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/16/shot-2023-lots-new-revolvers-taurus-rossi/ |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 11:33:00 AM EST
[#43]
Ummm what is this that Palmetto is making!
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Posted: 1/17/2023 11:35:27 AM EST
[#44]
https://iwi.us/product/csr16/
IWI Carmel US-version. MSRP at $1800.  Attached File Attached File Attached FileKinda tired of the 10-degree grip angle shit being a thing now. 
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Posted: 1/17/2023 11:41:12 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ummm what is this that Palmetto is making!https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/409279/IMG_20230117_103230_298_jpg-2675458.JPG Is that a .22 bore? This reminds me of the Umarex Stg-44s that came in the wooden crates 10 years ago. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 11:42:06 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ummm what is this that Palmetto is making!https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/409279/IMG_20230117_103230_298_jpg-2675458.JPG  Attached FileGod damn I love PSA |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 11:42:28 AM EST
[#47]
I know nothing, just saw that picture. Im gonna guess its an STG44 clone that fires 5.56 or something similar.
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Posted: 1/17/2023 11:42:46 AM EST
[#48]
Quoted: Is that a .22 bore? This reminds me of the Umarex Stg-44s that came in the wooden crates 10 years ago. It’s 5.56, 300BO and 7.92 Kurtz |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 11:44:32 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://iwi.us/product/csr16/ IWI Carmel US-version. MSRP at $1800. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/35747/Carmel-L-scaled_jpg-2675447.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/35747/Carmel-R-scaled_jpg-2675448.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/35747/carmel-specs_JPG-2675451.JPG Kinda tired of the 10-degree grip angle shit being a thing now. Despite being almost entirely plastic, this thing weighs over 8 lbs in bare form and costs ~$1,800? I can kind of understand the cost, but the weight seems bad. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 11:44:44 AM EST
[#50]
Anything from surefire yet?
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