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I would have no earthly idea what percent do. My point was that for exceptional workers, exceptional compensation is provided. A few bucks a day to keep employees happy by charging their vehicles is a bargain compared to the hiring process. Would you rather pay a low level manager 30 dollars an hour to interview 20 people a day, plus HR, plus background checks, plus training, to hire new employees? Or install a few outlets to retain the ones you have?

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Back when I started working we just tied our horses up in the field next to the gruel factory I worked at. The horses would eat all the free grass they wanted during the day and be ready for the trip home come evening.

When internal combustion engines came out we all laughed at the guys driving them. They had to stop at a gas station and pay for fuel for their vehicles. Can you imagine having to pay for fuel? Cars couldn't even pull a plow and didn't provide manure for the gardens. Cars when they get old require scrapping and that's a problem but an old horse just becomes more Elmer glue. Cars have to be bought from a dealer while every year we get a few foals for free.

I don't know what the fuck them ICE machine drivers are thinking.

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You're looking at like $50,000 to install a level 3 charger. Of course there are some tax incentives, but not that much.

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You're looking at like $50,000 to install a level 3 charger. Of course there are some tax incentives, but not that much.

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Back when I started working we just tied our horses up in the field next to the gruel factory I worked at. The horses would eat all the free grass they wanted during the day and be ready for the trip home come evening.

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Yea I guess not. From what I've read some places have time limits on them so other people can have a turn.

But maybe it's better to have a level 2 at every spot? I can't imagine that's significantly cheaper though.

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A 30 amp level one would be plenty and a bunch of them can be installed cheap. Look at it this way, if you pay out the ass for two quick chargers, and have ten employees that want to charge, the employees are going to have to go move their cars when they are done charging, ect. A bunch of level one 30amp chargers will do the job and won't cause any disruptions.

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Fed grant, tax credit, and a state credit. I looked into it and it covers approx 80% of the cost. 30% for the tax credit. Local power offered a 50% grant. The fed grant is restricted and I didn't qualify, which may reduce it even further.

I was looking at dropping one in right next to our main power box. It was going to run about 22k. ETA- that is for level 3. The Level 2 did not require the transformer and box addition, so it was significantly cheaper. The issue was the commercial charging station for cost, which was going to have it be about 12k before credits/grants/etc.

We have a few at some .gov locations that are solar powered only level 2 chargers, which look like they spent way too much on.

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How much do you think the electricity would cost per employee?  Keep in mind that a typically EV might have an 85kwh battery and it's unlikely that anyone's commute would be so great that you'd need to charge from 0 to 85kwh every single day.

Now put that in the context of other employee benefits, what they cost, and the current environment where EVERYONE is fighting to attract good employees.

The build out is another matter but at the end of the day it's a one time cost and you can put that improvement cost in context of it's depreciable life.

The only reason you don't see more of it right now is simply because EVs aren't that widespread.  Few employers are going to install charging in their lots until EV driving workers are a substantial portion of the market.

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Depends. Are you in your early 20's, genetically female, with perky breasts and a small waist? If so, send me your resume.

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You have to think of it in terms of how many miles an employee needs to replenish per day.  If an employee has a 50 mile round trip commute and you wanted to cover all of it.  You'd be looking at giving them 15kwh assuming 300wh/mile which is frankly something that could be accomplished on a standard 120v/20amp plug in 8 hours.  That's not even Level 2, that's Level 1.

But if you were going to go through all the effort to wire a parking spot, you might as well go Level 2.  

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How is EV going to get you 100 miles into a rural North Dakota like to go ice fishing?

How is an EV going to get you and your trailer to bum-fuk rural Montana to your favorite hunting spot?

What EV is going to pull even a small camper?

What EV gets me to a project meeting in nowhere zone Nothern Iowa?

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Public transportation is way off being fully electric.

Freight Shipping is way off from being fully electric.

Farm and heavy equipment is not viable for all electric .

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Lol, I don't need a Google search.   I own a Tesla and it absolutely can charge 50 miles of range in 5 minutes on the latest Superchargers.

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As an employer I would say "The charging stations are free to use an an employee, if you choose not to use them that is your decision"

They will be more likely to retain young talent by offering an incentive that is likely to cater to them. They don't care about older talent because they will be retiring sooner anyway.

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How is EV going to get you 100 miles into a rural North Dakota like to go ice fishing?

How is an EV going to get you and your trailer to bum-fuk rural Montana to your favorite hunting spot?

What EV is going to pull even a small camper?

What EV gets me to a project meeting in nowhere zone Nothern Iowa?

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I tend to avoid hiring people who are more worried about what the other guy gets rather than if his own compensation is suitable for the task being asked.  They are nothing but shit disturbers and trouble makers.  You can never please them because they are always selective about the injustice they perceive.

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^^ Yep, that's (one of) the big Achilles heel of electric cars -- PARKING infrastructure.  Don't get me wrong, the technology is great -- I love the instantaneous torque.  But the parking infrastructure is a massive dagger in the heart of widespread EV adoption in the US, and you can't fix the antiquated parking limitations in America's city areas quickly.

I have said this before -- one of the biggest lies is that EVs work great for people in cities.   The reality is that EVs do not work with the current urban parking situation and that applies to the vast majority of people in the United States.   Until the technology makes charging as fast as gassing up a ICE vehicle, it won't work.

Consider that the last US Census noted that close to 70% of the United States population was in an urban area.  This means urban parking is a problem for a great majority of Americans.

Say you're lower class.  You live in a high-rise apartment or rowhome in a poor area.  Your only parking is on the street.  

Middle class?  You live in a high-rise apartment or rowhome in a decent area.  No free parking here either, so you either park on the street or shell out hundreds of dollars to park in shared indoor parking.  In my area of downtown Philadelphia, shared indoor parking is $225/mo at minimum, and very few have any charging stations at all.   The one that has a charging station near me is not free.  

Upper class?  You live in a high-rise condo/apartment in a very good area.  OK, now you have a real chance of having a charger in your (shared) indoor garage.  You have a reserved spot but you may not have a charger in every spot.  But how many people fall into the upper class?  Very few ... and that means very few people have access to proper charging (due to parking, not electrical infrastructure).

Now that's just where you live.  What about where you work?  In ALL cases, chances are you can't charge at work.  Office buildings in the big cities often do not offer ANY parking, even if you want to pay for it!  Maybe you're lucky and your office (if you work in an office) has an indoor parking lot where you can buy a monthly pass.  The reality is that you're stuck finding street parking or using a commercial lot -- which puts you back in the situation of no chargers.

You want to put chargers on the street for public use?  You think the copper theft problem NOW is bad?  Wait until you put lots of nice copper laden chargers on every urban street!  

Speaking of crime in cities, which is rapidly increasing, no sane individual wants to immobilize their car for even 20-30 minutes to get a decent fast charge if you're in an urban area.   How many of you have related stories about being accosted by a panhandler at a gas station in the short time that you need to fuel up an ICE vehicle?  Why would anyone want to stay longer in such a targeted environment?  You want to pay at the pump, gas up and get the hell back on the road.  

We've ruled out EVs for city dwellers.  What about deep rural folks (like  where I grew up)?  They won't adopt EVs due to range concerns.  

So we've ruled out EVs for city people and rural folks.  The reality is that pure EVs only work for the suburbs, where folks have real garages so they can charge at home but are close enough to work that they don't need to charge at work.  With 70% of the population in the US being "urban", it just doesn't apply to most people.  

To be clear, the technology will catch up.  Eventually we will go back, full circle, to where we are today -- "gas stations" will be replaced by "EV stations", where you can charge in 5 minutes for 200-300 miles of juice.  However, those sorts of huge infrastructure changes will happen at a much slower pace than most EV proponents realize.  Until that time, EVs are limited to the small segment of society that have garages in the suburbs --  i.e., not much of America.  

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Actually Electric is better. Price will come down as they are produced more.

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The big time bomb is going to be the resale value of EVs. My prediction is it is going to be shit. When the batteries are done, the replacement cost is going to exceed the value of the vehicle in many cases. Adam Smith's 'invisible hand' is about to bitch slap the EV world.

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Any older employee that would quit over newer employees taking advantage of a ~$1-$3 per day benefit probably aren't "all in" type employees in the first place.  What a ridiculous thing to get worked up over.

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How is EV going to get you 100 miles into a rural North Dakota like to go ice fishing?

How is an EV going to get you and your trailer to bum-fuk rural Montana to your favorite hunting spot?

What EV is going to pull even a small camper?

What EV gets me to a project meeting in nowhere zone Nothern Iowa?