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Are there any numbers as far as weight available?
I got a Kel-Tec PLR-16 earlier this year and built it into a lightweight folding-braced pistol, with a specific idea in mind. Now I suspect I'll remove the brace and return it to stock config, as this is exactly what I wanted and is built to a far better standard with far better features. |
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Does nobody see the humor in putting an AK "stock" on an "AR"? PSA did it!! Not that there is anything wrong with that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Quoted: 300 Blackout is less effective and 3x as expensive. There are AR x39 mags that work well enough. I have no interest in 300. I want to shoot for cheap and in volume. Fix the bolt and extractor issues and I’m interested. View Quote |
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300 Blackout is less effective and 3x as expensive. There are AR x39 mags that work well enough. I have no interest in 300. I want to shoot for cheap and in volume. Fix the bolt and extractor issues and I'm interested. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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BRN-180S URG is $830. I predict these hitting the market at $800. I'll bite. But hopefully it's both upper and brace. But I'd bet no. Brace will likely MSRP at $200. Just take 5 cents off the amounts I've quoted to show $199.85, and $799.95 View Quote https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ak-p-ak-v-triangle-side-folding-brace.html |
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I'm guessing that $799-899 is for the complete rifle. That's great news. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Apparently, its going to be around their Premium AR price range, $799-899. Per this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1yE1ZnC6uw Also mentioned, they are wanting to do carbine and DMR style uppers and in other calibers like 6.5 Grendel. *Edit* Apparently I can post youtube videos now? huh... I would imagine that the upper and lower adapter will likely be $599-699, they didnt mention when they were planning on releasing just uppers. Another video mentioned that they were also going looking into a 9mm version that is straight blowback (which would be disappointing.) |
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It’s looks pretty cool. I maybe interested in the 300blk. Need more info though.
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Quoted: I'm guessing that $799-899 is for the complete rifle. That's great news. View Quote |
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Does this gun have an AK-like action, or is it closer to the Beretta AR70 ? Because the Beretta AR70 system (copied and improved by Kel-Tec for their SU-16/PLR-16 series) is awesome. I love it on my PLR, and the idea of it on a nicer gun really appeals to me. It has one of the most pleasant recoil impulses I've come across.
For those who aren't aware of the system, this is the bolt assy from my PLR-16: Attached File Attached File |
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They are making cool stuff. That jakl looks sweet. I have had the BRN 180 in my brownwells shoping cart for a week. But the side charging handle no reciprocating on jkl is mo better View Quote I will be buying the JAKL instead. Game, set, match. |
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Make it in 6.5 grendel or offer a conversion kit. View Quote If this becomes available I would like to do a test to see how well such a PDW can tear through car doors. Carried in a briefcase. If it turns out to be reliable this seems like it could be an ideal vehicle gun. |
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Yup, from what I got from the video, they are only selling complete firearms at the start, 10.5" 5.56 and 7.5" .300 AAC, for $799-899. Im going to assume that includes the braces. I would imagine that the upper and lower adapter will likely be $599-699, they didnt mention when they were planning on releasing just uppers. Another video mentioned that they were also going looking into a 9mm version that is straight blowback (which would be disappointing.) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Apparently, its going to be around their Premium AR price range, $799-899. Per this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1yE1ZnC6uw Also mentioned, they are wanting to do carbine and DMR style uppers and in other calibers like 6.5 Grendel. *Edit* Apparently I can post youtube videos now? huh... I would imagine that the upper and lower adapter will likely be $599-699, they didnt mention when they were planning on releasing just uppers. Another video mentioned that they were also going looking into a 9mm version that is straight blowback (which would be disappointing.) price point, Robinson Armament's XCR is screwed. |
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Yup, from what I got from the video, they are only selling complete firearms at the start, 10.5" 5.56 and 7.5" .300 AAC, for $799-899. Im going to assume that includes the braces. I would imagine that the upper and lower adapter will likely be $599-699, they didnt mention when they were planning on releasing just uppers. Another video mentioned that they were also going looking into a 9mm version that is straight blowback (which would be disappointing.) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Apparently, its going to be around their Premium AR price range, $799-899. Per this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1yE1ZnC6uw Also mentioned, they are wanting to do carbine and DMR style uppers and in other calibers like 6.5 Grendel. *Edit* Apparently I can post youtube videos now? huh... I would imagine that the upper and lower adapter will likely be $599-699, they didnt mention when they were planning on releasing just uppers. Another video mentioned that they were also going looking into a 9mm version that is straight blowback (which would be disappointing.) |
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Selling the upper keeps costs down.
Is there not like a 11% FET on completed firearms paid by the maker? |
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Quoted: Selling complete rifles seems like a really bad strategy. It's a lot easier to ship uppers out the door than deal with NFA firearms. I have enough stamped lowers I'd be in for a 10.5 just to try it out but most likely I'll pass if I have to deal with the NFA BS. View Quote Uppers will come, they said so. |
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I don't see the attraction of putting one of these uppers on an AR lower. The big thing here is no need for a buffer tube. You can have a folder.
AR lowers use buffer tubes. I guess you could screw in some plug with a Pic rail on it to attach a folder, but why go out of your way to go Rube Goldberg? |
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I don't see the attraction of putting one of these uppers on an AR lower. The big thing here is no need for a buffer tube. You can have a folder. AR lowers use buffer tubes. I guess you could screw in some plug with a Pic rail on it to attach a folder, but why go out of your way to go Rube Goldberg? View Quote The reason for doing that versus a proprietary lower would be that tons of people already own AR-15 lowers and it cuts down development costs. If they do it all custom you're basically back to a SCAR/ACR/XCR/etc. With maybe a slight edge in price because it's PSA versus those companies. |
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I don't see the attraction of putting one of these uppers on an AR lower. The big thing here is no need for a buffer tube. You can have a folder. AR lowers use buffer tubes. I guess you could screw in some plug with a Pic rail on it to attach a folder, but why go out of your way to go Rube Goldberg? View Quote |
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Quoted for the awesomeness that could be. KS-47 lower with the buffer tube removed and a picatinney adapter on the back. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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I don't see the attraction of putting one of these uppers on an AR lower. The big thing here is no need for a buffer tube. You can have a folder. AR lowers use buffer tubes. I guess you could screw in some plug with a Pic rail on it to attach a folder, but why go out of your way to go Rube Goldberg? View Quote KNS precision makes a pic adapter. I’m willing to bet that PSA will be manufacturing a pic adapter in house as well. They already make one for AK’s I just finished building this .22 AR last week. It’s a fun little gun to shoot. Attached File |
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I don't see the attraction of putting one of these uppers on an AR lower. The big thing here is no need for a buffer tube. You can have a folder. AR lowers use buffer tubes. I guess you could screw in some plug with a Pic rail on it to attach a folder, but why go out of your way to go Rube Goldberg? View Quote |
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Quoted: Because I already have a ton of AR lowers. It's a huge, mature base of users, with a gigantic support market. New gun may or may not get decent accessories made for it. AR already has them. View Quote Rails/handguards? Monolithic upper, no need. Adjustable gas block? Already have one. Barrel? Sounds like it won't be easily user serviceable like an AR so probably no drop in barrels. Charging handle? Different from an AR so will require its own aftermarket. Bolt and recoil system? Probably going to be unique to this system. So now that pretty much leaves all the stuff you can do with a lower like stocks/braces, grips, triggers, etc. It's far easier and more logical to just use a pic rail adapter for an AR than design and tool for a proprietary lower that either has all of it's own stuff or that would work with all of the AR stuff. |
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So they've said Q3 for an estimated release date and aren't discussing pricing yet. Have they released any details on how much it weighs? It looks very similar in size and dimensions to the KAC PDW which weighs 4.5 pounds, but that gun has a dimpled barrel. https://i.imgur.com/VIgKhUc.jpg vs http://www.imfdb.org/images/7/74/KAC_PDW_8in.jpg View Quote |
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If they can deliver a reliable product I'd be seriously interested. Particularly if they offer an SBR length version and even more so if it was in 300blk. I'd be interested in a 16" 5.56 model, but not as much as a 12" 5.56 or 10.5" or around there 300blk. This of course assumes the price is reasonable. It's PSA so I assume it won't be crazy high, but you never know. |
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In. If they can deliver a reliable product I'd be seriously interested. Particularly if they offer an SBR length version and even more so if it was in 300blk. I'd be interested in a 16" 5.56 model, but not as much as a 12" 5.56 or 10.5" or around there 300blk. This of course assumes the price is reasonable. It's PSA so I assume it won't be crazy high, but you never know. View Quote I think you'll be interested |
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7.5" .300blk is coming first, then a 10.5" 5.56. Carbine length, additional calibers, and complete uppers are likely to come in due time. $7-800 for the complete "pistol." I think you'll be interested View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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In. If they can deliver a reliable product I'd be seriously interested. Particularly if they offer an SBR length version and even more so if it was in 300blk. I'd be interested in a 16" 5.56 model, but not as much as a 12" 5.56 or 10.5" or around there 300blk. This of course assumes the price is reasonable. It's PSA so I assume it won't be crazy high, but you never know. I think you'll be interested |
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I don't see the attraction of putting one of these uppers on an AR lower. The big thing here is no need for a buffer tube. You can have a folder. AR lowers use buffer tubes. I guess you could screw in some plug with a Pic rail on it to attach a folder, but why go out of your way to go Rube Goldberg? View Quote |
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It looks like the upper overlaps the lower, but it's hard to tell with all the shitty amateur camera work being done by the shotshow journalists. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I don't see the attraction of putting one of these uppers on an AR lower. The big thing here is no need for a buffer tube. You can have a folder. AR lowers use buffer tubes. I guess you could screw in some plug with a Pic rail on it to attach a folder, but why go out of your way to go Rube Goldberg? |
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I don't see the attraction of putting one of these uppers on an AR lower. The big thing here is no need for a buffer tube. You can have a folder. AR lowers use buffer tubes. I guess you could screw in some plug with a Pic rail on it to attach a folder, but why go out of your way to go Rube Goldberg? View Quote Its an adapter that goes in the RE threading and you 1913 the brace/stock of your choice.e If you have stamped lowers then use whatever you want on there. It would be foolish for them not to develop it to be used on an AR lower, I'll buy an upper for one of the stamped lowers. |
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I'm liking this more by the minute. I'll have to check it out soon.
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Quoted: Mags are the 2nd failure point. Just go .300 BLK. View Quote lol @ paying twice the price for identical ballistics and less reliability, .300 acolytes sure must like banging their rifles all day. |
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Quoted: For sure, I really hate how the 7.62x39 with it's tapered case never fails to extract properly, what fun is that? Straight-walled jammers you get to fuck with every 5 minutes are where it's at. lol @ paying twice the price for identical ballistics and less reliability, .300 acolytes sure must like banging their rifles all day. View Quote |
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I like it allot. I would love to see that charging handle be ambidextrous!
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I don't see the attraction of putting one of these uppers on an AR lower. The big thing here is no need for a buffer tube. You can have a folder. AR lowers use buffer tubes. I guess you could screw in some plug with a Pic rail on it to attach a folder, but why go out of your way to go Rube Goldberg? Oooookay. I was really digging this gun, but now I’m a bit less excited. Gonna need something a little more finished looking than that I’m afraid. Hopefully there’s a more finished version being implemented. |
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http://s3.amazonaws.com/production.photos.funnyordie.com/p/media/5c597eb60b/1qPm2oJFSuWOI4rtFx06_Confused%20Ice%20Cube.gif Oooookay. I was really digging this gun, but now I’m a bit less excited. Gonna need something a little more finished looking than that I’m afraid. Hopefully there’s a more finished version being implemented. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I don't see the attraction of putting one of these uppers on an AR lower. The big thing here is no need for a buffer tube. You can have a folder. AR lowers use buffer tubes. I guess you could screw in some plug with a Pic rail on it to attach a folder, but why go out of your way to go Rube Goldberg? Oooookay. I was really digging this gun, but now I’m a bit less excited. Gonna need something a little more finished looking than that I’m afraid. Hopefully there’s a more finished version being implemented. |
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