Everything except the PRI parts?  Lol

It is pretty wild.

I'll pick up one of these uppers soon.

Yea and even then the PRI parts will be dinged by the really autistic as not being the correct generation or not having the correct vent holes that are the correct diameter at the proper spacing or the charging handle isn't a welded latch from a certain address with the proper shade of purple that they insist you must paint over, etc etc etc. You can never make them happy, but they build all their stuff on civilian lowers w/o a third hole so even their stuff is (usually) wrong too.

As for this one, I'll eventually get a Gasbuster CH and put it on an A1 lower w/ an Ergo or A1 grip and maybe, MAYBE, eventually source a proper scope in the correct rings, but it'll never be a true clone so I probably won't go that far. I'm not ADD/ADHD/Autistic so that shit doesn't bother me. It looks the part enough for me.

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I want to get one test side by side with my "not quite" clone correct setup. Then I can have a green and fde option without stripping paint or dropping a couple mortgage payments.

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I bought the upper but it will be a couple of weeks before I get to shoot it. I was collecting parts to build one anyway and pulled the trigger on one of these uppers on a whim.
   Its going to go on a 20yr old RRA lower with the plain text roll mark. It was hosting my vintage A1 build before I bought a gray H&R lower for it so PSA got me twice. lol

Anyone shoot one for groups yet?

That trolling was probably too subtle.

I love when he gets an autist cloner to bite on that.

Especially because he’s a cloner, haha.

Its weird that I can’t find any reports of someone shooting one of these things. The M110 knock off has tons of reviews and videos. Weird.

I fully plan on getting mine to the range either tomorrow or Wednesday along with the M110 and Jakl. You’ll see some results this week one way or the other.

Epic first post.


Welcome to the shitstorm.

Care to share any results?

The wife had other ideas about what I was doing so far this week. Tomorrow I am going.

ETA: I did just order a blem H&R gray A1 lower and A1 LPK to go w/ the A1 stock I have and I just received the M84 Gasbuster from PA so I'm on the way to a clone-ish build.

GD:

No thanks.  I already have a clone correct Mk12.
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Too far?

Alright, finally got it to the range for some initial zeroing. I had hoped to test several other loadings, but grabbed the wrong ammo can leaving the house. Luckily I had a single box of AAC 77gr. SMK, 10 rounds of AAC 77 gr. TMK, and 5 whole rounds of Nosler 73 gr at the bottom of my range bag so all was not lost.

Conditions: 65-75* @ ~800' ASL, misting to start, then humid until it burned off and cleared up a little when the sun came out. By then I was shooting the M110.

Function: Zero issues. I've changed out the charging handle with a PRI M84 Gasbuster and that seemed to help. I didn't seem to notice near as much gas the face. Highly recommend anyone getting one of these to do the same.  Brass ejected at 4 o'clock and with oomph. It is getting the right amount of gas w/ the AEM5 on it (orange bucket is where the cases were landing):


I haven't shot since anything for precision since March and it shows. The humidity fogging my glasses up didn't help. I was uncomfortable and not able to stay in a good position for most of the rounds so I really think this upper is capable of more (ok, excuses done). I'm going to try and get it to the range again this weekend to try again and have more ammo to work with. As it is, I consistently fucked groups up with the last round(s).

I started with the 77gr. SMKs in the center. Bottom four, then threw the last round high.  I then shot two 5 round groups in the top left. As you can see, I would drop the last round in each group.

Berger 73s (bottom left) were putting a good group together until I yanked on the last shot and sent it way low. Still not used to the Sabre trigger. I plan to change it out for a Geissele in the future.

TMKs are all over the fucking place. I shot them last and the mirage was horrible. I should've waited. As it is, I consider those wasted groups and not representative of the upper.


As it stands, I'm not calling this an MOA-capable upper, but I think with the right loading and shooter, it might be. It appears to hold roughly what 9 Hole Reviews found with their PRI upper (~1.5 moa) @ the 3:15 mark.



Loadings I have to test:


Will update when I have more groups shot.

The 1.5moa in that video was shot with imi 77gr razorcore.  My experience with that ammo is that it's hot and ok accuracy.  My pri mk12 mod0 upper, with 69gr tmk@2915fps will hover around .7moa and occasionally shoot .5moa.  Fgmm will shoot 3/4 -1moa.  My rifle prefers 69gr smk/tmk, it will shoot 77smk at 2625fps but any faster and accuracy diminishes.  69tmk@2915 vs 77smk/tmk@2625, the 69 gr load stomps it.

What distance are you shooting at?

Just 100 yards. I didn’t have time or ammo to stretch it out. Forgot my Magnetospeed to get good dope, too.

I wanted to build one so badly in the day.

Now, I am trying to shrink the collection.

I bought a Mark 4 scope just to build one.

yikes! I would have thought the SMK's would do better than that.
I haven't done any testing with the new AAC ammo, but my MK12 clone with Black Hills MK262 is .5-.75 MOA
even with the SSA mk262 ammo it is well under MOA.
I'll have to go do some testing

No offense. Those groups just looks like shit tho. I get sub .5moa out of my old BCM built upper. Hope you find ammo that works.

What sort of trigger does it have?

None taken. I fully admit to being out of practice. I fought myself as much as anything else today. I was shooting off a bench today using an ammo can and small bag to support the front. Not exactly the most stable set up in the world. I might try prone off a pack next time I go, see if that helps.

I do think the upper is capable of more/better with a better shooter.

Trigger is whatever PSA puts in the Sabre lowers. It’s a decent trigger. I’m not going to blame it for the size of the groups. I want to get a SSA-E eventually but that’s down the road.

yeah but in that vid posted above (I assume its the same upper), they got somewhat better groups but really not all that good, barely MOA.

I’d put money on it being a schmid trigger.

That video is with a clone correct Mk12 PRI upper, not a PSA gun

Mk12s rule

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let me know when they make it clone correct for real

And it was a follow up to an earlier video they did showing similar, if not worse, results from an older PRI (I think) upper and a BCM Mk12 upper.

I built a clone correct Mod 0 upper with a Douglas barrel and it was not that much more accurate than the one I shot today. Common denominator is me though so…

PSA Cameron has stated it will never be clone correct. If you want that order a PRI or build your own.

Go to the retro section.

Real Deal or Nothing

Too gay.

Nice.  What sort of accuracy are you able to get w/ it and using what ammo?

As an aside, if anyone wants to pitch in to buy me a can of Mk262, I won't say no.  Lol.

Hell I'll split a can with someone if you have enough good feedback. I just can't swing the whole can right now and God only knows when this will be available again.

Black Hills Ammunition MOD-1-C 5.56x45mm NATO 77 GR Sierra OTM Open Tipped Match 460 Round AMMO CAN - FREE SHIPPING! - $800

Reload it yourself.  I worked up a clone of the BH mk262 and load it my self now.

I don't have the equipment or time to do that right now.

under .75 moa, match ammo, my handloads all shoot well. some a fad better then other but all
pretty good.
compass lake barrel
Ops inc old school can. Knights trigger, etc i have pics of targets but it will take all night to find them and upload them.

So it doesn't come close to my 20" 6.5G spitting amax's at the same distance. No Spank you.

If I could get a Mk12 Mod 87 chambered in 6.5G or 6ARC I would be very happy. Of course I’d have to get my AEM5 opened up to the correct diameter.

I don’t think I’d be able to shoot much better with it though until I’m able to commit to a constant range schedule.

I have a Mod 87 in 6.8 and a 6.5G spr barrel just waiting for a build.

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Finally got my clone-correct MK12 in!

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Finally, someone got it right

I beg to differ.

That front take down pin isn’t correct. Complete joke of a build.

At least someone shot one. Its like everyone who bought one if these slid it under the bed and forgot about it. If you look on youtube there are some gay ass unboxing vids and one dude shooting a 16in version.

I get better groups out of my gen 1 dpms 308 bull barrel with wolf steel case ammo.

Congrats.

Ok.  Today's my birthday so I took off and decided to spend three hours at the range testing 6 total loads.  The same three from Friday plus Norma 77, Hornady Frontier 75, and IMI's Mk262 Mod 1 clone.

Here's the set up. Prone, off a pack. Much more stable and I was much more confident of my position. Not nearly as many called bad shots as the first go around:


Through the scope while the can was cooling off between groups.  My eyes are fucked so the eye piece is set for my corrective lenses. Also, reticle pics are hard.:


After the last grouping while still on the board:


And with all the groups measured w/ my calipers:


All in all I think it performed better with a few sub-minute groups, but it's pretty obvious that myself, the upper, or both are not capable of MOA groups right now. I'm putting it more on myself because I'd have the makings of a good group, and then grow a round high or whatever. But, it is what it is.

As it is, I think it likes the Norma the best w/ AAC SMK a close second. The SMK's were grouping well and then I didn't give the can enough time to cool off and the groups opened up. All loadings did that.  The mirage was hell. It also absolutely fucking hates the AAC TMKs. I just could not get those things to group at all. Very interesting result because my DD 11.5 barrel on my home-build home-defense gun puts five rounds almost touching.

If anyone has a PRI, BCM, or built upper they want to compare this one to w/ similar ammo during a range session, let me know, I'll send it to you if you have enough positive feedback.

Anyways, there you fuckers go. I won't be able to get to the range again for a while. If anyone else has one of these uppers and wants to post their results to confirm mine or confirm how much I suck, feel free.