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Mabye if he wasn't anti-civilian 2A, people wouldn't be up his background checking gun grabbing ass. eta-because he's so anti-civvie 2A |
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Hundreds of millions of people have unsuccessful defended themselves with firearms, or other weapons for that matter with absolute minimal training long before consumer grade etraining and gear queer get togethers were ever even dreamt of. If you're going to try to make some sort of persuasive argument... at least make it have SOME substance. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Pat "Gunban" McNamara? Never heard of her. So it's not surprising for many to not know the name. Just seems a bit needy? But hey, I'm not a "serious trigger puller" nor do I spend my time criticizing internet firearms personalities about how they dance and sing. Cause if you actually DID have motivation to keep and bear arms, Pat Mac is one of the top guys in the country that teaches how to bear them, which after the ballot box, is the last box to keep them. Symmetrical warfare, door kicking, open demonstrations of force...... Not likely to be "a thing" like in some peoples masturbatory fantasies. You might be confident, but does that translate into being capable? For a LOT of people, those that haven't jumped in on the boon of modern training, and techniques made available since the early 2000's, that's probably a not really. I get your point, but it's not a matter of absolutism like you're claiming. So what's the right number? It was rhetorical. Because anyone with half a fucking brain realizes that hundreds of millions of people have successful defended themselves with firearms, or other weapons for that matter with absolute minimal training long before consumer grade etraining and gear queer get togethers were ever even dreamt of. Prehistoric man attended club swinging classes right? If you're going to try to make some sort of persuasive argument... at least make it have SOME substance. In the U.S., the number of violent crimes prevented by citizens far outweighs the total number of violent crimes commited. You can go to the FBI website and search out your own crime stats. So then are you saying that even a measurable portion of those who intervened had training to the extent you so subjectively claimed was necessary to be capable of such things? |
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Well, when you put it that way, is does pretty much mean you agree with it, enjoy your social contract! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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@Stretchman Your post is the most disturbingly incorrect heap of shit I've read on this site in months. So please, "depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." - Some guy (who obviously wanted background checks and 3 day waiting periods on essential liberty) How many 4473's have you filled out in your life? #willnotcomply Your absolutist rhetoric is so lame. Well played. |
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One example, and my last effort to reach you where you're at. In the U.S., the number of violent crimes prevented by citizens far outways the total number of violent crimes commited. You can go to the FBI website and search out your own crime stats. So then are you saying that even a measurable portion of those who intervened had training to the extent you so subjectively claimed was necessary to be capable of such things? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Pat "Gunban" McNamara? Never heard of her. So it's not surprising for many to not know the name. Just seems a bit needy? But hey, I'm not a "serious trigger puller" nor do I spend my time criticizing internet firearms personalities about how they dance and sing. Cause if you actually DID have motivation to keep and bear arms, Pat Mac is one of the top guys in the country that teaches how to bear them, which after the ballot box, is the last box to keep them. Symmetrical warfare, door kicking, open demonstrations of force...... Not likely to be "a thing" like in some peoples masturbatory fantasies. You might be confident, but does that translate into being capable? For a LOT of people, those that haven't jumped in on the boon of modern training, and techniques made available since the early 2000's, that's probably a not really. I get your point, but it's not a matter of absolutism like you're claiming. So what's the right number? It was rhetorical. Because anyone with half a fucking brain realizes that hundreds of millions of people have successful defended themselves with firearms, or other weapons for that matter with absolute minimal training long before consumer grade etraining and gear queer get togethers were ever even dreamt of. Prehistoric man attended club swinging classes right? If you're going to try to make some sort of persuasive argument... at least make it have SOME substance. In the U.S., the number of violent crimes prevented by citizens far outways the total number of violent crimes commited. You can go to the FBI website and search out your own crime stats. So then are you saying that even a measurable portion of those who intervened had training to the extent you so subjectively claimed was necessary to be capable of such things? |
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My apologies, I mistook you for someone that posessed a modicum of logic and reason and now it's painfully obvious I was wrong. Well played. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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@Stretchman Your post is the most disturbingly incorrect heap of shit I've read on this site in months. So please, "depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." - Some guy (who obviously wanted background checks and 3 day waiting periods on essential liberty) How many 4473's have you filled out in your life? #willnotcomply Your absolutist rhetoric is so lame. Well played. Bad feels |
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Well not often we get multiple people admitting they support waiting periods here. Weeeeeeee! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Cool, you object to waiting periods. So now what? Saying you don't support waiting periods means NOTHING if you tacitly support them via inaction. eta- even better if you can name 3-4... even if you're not a member/ supporter |
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SGM McNamara made a mistake and recanted, that's good enough for me considering his military service. I have filled out many Form 4s and 4473s, however I found that you always can always find a plan B. Want to see some freedom?? this is what freedom looks like https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/374C2A47-F86B-4029-8944-1455758740CE-482351.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/8EBCD747-B6E9-4C8D-8513-93B5DC934E37-479108.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/lowers-144962.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/D2A9A46A-3260-443D-AC19-67EBCA7C1E74-543540.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/IMG-0752-132970.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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@Stretchman Your post is the most disturbingly incorrect heap of shit I've read on this site in months. So please, "depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." - Some guy (who obviously wanted background checks and 3 day waiting periods on essential liberty) How many 4473's have you filled out in your life? #willnotcomply I have filled out many Form 4s and 4473s, however I found that you always can always find a plan B. Want to see some freedom?? this is what freedom looks like https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/374C2A47-F86B-4029-8944-1455758740CE-482351.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/8EBCD747-B6E9-4C8D-8513-93B5DC934E37-479108.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/lowers-144962.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/D2A9A46A-3260-443D-AC19-67EBCA7C1E74-543540.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/IMG-0752-132970.jpg But yea, I'm just getting a kick out of everyone's moral superiority over a thing that's been around for a quarter century, acting like they're in some front line fighting the evil government overreach of waiting periods... when they're just popping off on arfcom over a dude who's a legit BAMF who said a thing with no real context. |
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Name one pro-firearms group actively working to abolish waiting periods that you are a member of, and I'll donate money to them to help their court cases. Saying you don't support waiting periods means NOTHING if you tacitly support them via inaction. eta- even better if you can name 3-4... even if you're not a member/ supporter View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Cool, you object to waiting periods. So now what? Saying you don't support waiting periods means NOTHING if you tacitly support them via inaction. eta- even better if you can name 3-4... even if you're not a member/ supporter |
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SGM McNamara made a mistake and recanted, that's good enough for me considering his military service. I have filled out many Form 4s and 4473s, however I found that you always can always find a plan B. Want to see some freedom?? this is what freedom looks like https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/374C2A47-F86B-4029-8944-1455758740CE-482351.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/8EBCD747-B6E9-4C8D-8513-93B5DC934E37-479108.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/lowers-144962.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/D2A9A46A-3260-443D-AC19-67EBCA7C1E74-543540.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/IMG-0752-132970.jpg View Quote |
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I was hoping you would comment. I agree. Can we move on? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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SGM McNamara made a mistake and recanted, that's good enough for me considering his military service. I have filled out many Form 4s and 4473s, however I found that you always can always find a plan B. Want to see some freedom?? this is what freedom looks like https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/374C2A47-F86B-4029-8944-1455758740CE-482351.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/8EBCD747-B6E9-4C8D-8513-93B5DC934E37-479108.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/lowers-144962.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/D2A9A46A-3260-443D-AC19-67EBCA7C1E74-543540.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/IMG-0752-132970.jpg |
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Heck, does anyone know of a anti-waiting period group currently working to overturn things like the Brady bill? I mean, since so many here are opposed to waiting periods there's got to be a representative group right? It couldn't be that for the last 25 years people have just said they oppose waiting periods, then have not done anything to.,.. actually oppose them? View Quote People are lazy and complacent. |
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I've had people tell me they didn't want to be on a list. That was their excuse for not joining a gun rights organization. People are lazy and complacent. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Heck, does anyone know of a anti-waiting period group currently working to overturn things like the Brady bill? I mean, since so many here are opposed to waiting periods there's got to be a representative group right? It couldn't be that for the last 25 years people have just said they oppose waiting periods, then have not done anything to.,.. actually oppose them? People are lazy and complacent. But yea, lot of people want to be seen as being super pro-2a, so they make all the right noises. But where the rubber meets the road is voting, getting other people to vote, and not letting others do the heavy lifting, because... you might not like the way they handle things. |
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I was hoping you would comment. I agree. Can we move on? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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SGM McNamara made a mistake and recanted, that's good enough for me considering his military service. I have filled out many Form 4s and 4473s, however I found that you always can always find a plan B. Want to see some freedom?? this is what freedom looks like https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/374C2A47-F86B-4029-8944-1455758740CE-482351.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/8EBCD747-B6E9-4C8D-8513-93B5DC934E37-479108.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/lowers-144962.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/D2A9A46A-3260-443D-AC19-67EBCA7C1E74-543540.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/IMG-0752-132970.jpg |
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Awww I was really hoping for your apparent expectation of unearned respect and clout from anonymous and unfamiliar strangers on the internet. Bad feels View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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@Stretchman Your post is the most disturbingly incorrect heap of shit I've read on this site in months. So please, "depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." - Some guy (who obviously wanted background checks and 3 day waiting periods on essential liberty) How many 4473's have you filled out in your life? #willnotcomply Your absolutist rhetoric is so lame. Well played. Bad feels You lifted verbage from one of my first replies in this thread, and not only did you use it out of context, but you poorly administered it to the point of nonsensical incoherence. Which pretty much sums up every fucking thing you've posted in this thread. |
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LOL... then they go fill out paperwork at the LGS! But yea, lot of people want to be seen as being super pro-2a, so they make all the right noises. But where the rubber meets the road is voting, getting other people to vote, and not letting others do the heavy lifting, because... you might not like the way they handle things. View Quote |
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Only after your background check clears, otherwise we have to wait three days before moving on. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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SGM McNamara made a mistake and recanted, that's good enough for me considering his military service. I have filled out many Form 4s and 4473s, however I found that you always can always find a plan B. Want to see some freedom?? this is what freedom looks like https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/374C2A47-F86B-4029-8944-1455758740CE-482351.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/8EBCD747-B6E9-4C8D-8513-93B5DC934E37-479108.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/lowers-144962.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/D2A9A46A-3260-443D-AC19-67EBCA7C1E74-543540.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/IMG-0752-132970.jpg |
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Its a personal comment, he can make all he wants as long as he isn't selling them for profit View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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SGM McNamara made a mistake and recanted, that's good enough for me considering his military service. I have filled out many Form 4s and 4473s, however I found that you always can always find a plan B. Want to see some freedom?? this is what freedom looks like https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/374C2A47-F86B-4029-8944-1455758740CE-482351.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/8EBCD747-B6E9-4C8D-8513-93B5DC934E37-479108.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/lowers-144962.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/D2A9A46A-3260-443D-AC19-67EBCA7C1E74-543540.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/IMG-0752-132970.jpg |
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Lol. You lifted verbage from one of my first replies in this thread, and not only did you use it out of context, but you poorly administered it to the point of nonsensical incoherence. Which pretty much sums up every fucking thing you've posted in this thread. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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@Stretchman Your post is the most disturbingly incorrect heap of shit I've read on this site in months. So please, "depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." - Some guy (who obviously wanted background checks and 3 day waiting periods on essential liberty) How many 4473's have you filled out in your life? #willnotcomply Your absolutist rhetoric is so lame. Well played. Bad feels You lifted verbage from one of my first replies in this thread, and not only did you use it out of context, but you poorly administered it to the point of nonsensical incoherence. Which pretty much sums up every fucking thing you've posted in this thread. |
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SGM McNamara made a mistake and recanted, that's good enough for me considering his military service. I have filled out many Form 4s and 4473s, however I found that you always can always find a plan B. Want to see some freedom?? this is what freedom looks like https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/374C2A47-F86B-4029-8944-1455758740CE-482351.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/8EBCD747-B6E9-4C8D-8513-93B5DC934E37-479108.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/lowers-144962.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/D2A9A46A-3260-443D-AC19-67EBCA7C1E74-543540.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/IMG-0752-132970.jpg |
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@Stretchman Your post is the most disturbingly incorrect heap of shit I've read on this site in months. So please, "depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." - Some guy (who obviously wanted background checks and 3 day waiting periods on essential liberty) How many 4473's have you filled out in your life? #willnotcomply Your absolutist rhetoric is so lame. Well played. Bad feels You lifted verbage from one of my first replies in this thread, and not only did you use it out of context, but you poorly administered it to the point of nonsensical incoherence. Which pretty much sums up every fucking thing you've posted in this thread. Most lucid thing you've said all night. |
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Aimless is getting a lot of mileage out of that . I should charge him royalties. It was my one little pathetic stroke of inspiration its should be reserved for real turds like Range Time Cory and Blitzarian |
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Name one pro-firearms group actively working to abolish waiting periods that you are a member of, and I'll donate money to them to help their court cases. Saying you don't support waiting periods means NOTHING if you tacitly support them via inaction. eta- even better if you can name 3-4... even if you're not a member/ supporter View Quote Seriously. Look them up, and send them a donation. That would be a lot more productive than trying to play the White Knight and defend PatMac's honor and virtue... |
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SGM McNamara made a mistake and recanted, that's good enough for me considering his military service. I have filled out many Form 4s and 4473s, however I found that you always can always find a plan B. Want to see some freedom?? this is what freedom looks like https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/374C2A47-F86B-4029-8944-1455758740CE-482351.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/8EBCD747-B6E9-4C8D-8513-93B5DC934E37-479108.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/lowers-144962.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/D2A9A46A-3260-443D-AC19-67EBCA7C1E74-543540.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/20856/IMG-0752-132970.jpg |
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How about Oregon Firearms Federation? Unlike the NRA, OFF actually has the stones to fight for our rights, and they don't compromise. Seriously. Look them up, and send them a donation. That would be a lot more productive than trying to play the White Knight and defend PatMac's honor and virtue... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Name one pro-firearms group actively working to abolish waiting periods that you are a member of, and I'll donate money to them to help their court cases. Saying you don't support waiting periods means NOTHING if you tacitly support them via inaction. eta- even better if you can name 3-4... even if you're not a member/ supporter Seriously. Look them up, and send them a donation. That would be a lot more productive than trying to play the White Knight and defend PatMac's honor and virtue... |
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Best advice I ever got was from my father when he said “The “weapon” is between your ears, a gun is just a tool.”
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@Stretchman Your post is the most disturbingly incorrect heap of shit I've read on this site in months. So please, "depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." - Some guy (who obviously wanted background checks and 3 day waiting periods on essential liberty) How many 4473's have you filled out in your life? #willnotcomply Your absolutist rhetoric is so lame. Well played. Bad feels You lifted verbage from one of my first replies in this thread, and not only did you use it out of context, but you poorly administered it to the point of nonsensical incoherence. Which pretty much sums up every fucking thing you've posted in this thread. Most lucid thing you've said all night. |
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