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Posted: 12/31/2017 8:48:10 PM EST

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Posted: 12/31/2017 8:49:14 PM EST

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Yet nearly every American is going to go get drunk tonight and not lose their Constitutional right to bear arms. Alcohol is a much stronger mind altering drug than THC, and also a proven killer.

I do not suggest anyone get a MJ card who wants to own guns, but the laws need to change put pot and alcohol on equal ground. Progress comes at a slow pace though, and I’m glad we’re seeing legal pot at least, because this is a major improvement in freedom.

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Without even commenting on the merits, this is a predictable consequence. Anybody who didn't see this coming is a fool.

Yep.

Yet nearly every American is going to go get drunk tonight and not lose their Constitutional right to bear arms. Alcohol is a much stronger mind altering drug than THC, and also a proven killer.

I do not suggest anyone get a MJ card who wants to own guns, but the laws need to change put pot and alcohol on equal ground. Progress comes at a slow pace though, and I’m glad we’re seeing legal pot at least, because this is a major improvement in freedom.

The vast majority of people in America are not going to go get drunk tonight.

Posted: 12/31/2017 8:51:10 PM EST

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It will be deemed Unconstitutional.

Just because you have a card, does not mean that you use it.

Just because you have a drivers license does not mean that you own a car, or drive one.

Fucking retards. There is already precedence set with case law in other states.

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Not quite. Applying to get the card demonstrates a willingness to consume MJ. Just like applying for a DL demonstrates a willingness to drive. Plenty of conduct can result in your DL being suspended, whether or not you "own a car or plan to drive one."

You may see some administrative remedy whereby you can send a sworn letter to ATF/NICS stating "yes I have the card, but I've never used MJ). No state court has the ability to throw this out since the NICS process is federal. I'd be shocked to see federal judges teeing up behind this, until the Supreme Court forecasts if it is going to deal with MJ nationally.

Posted: 12/31/2017 8:51:11 PM EST

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Sure you can have both, just wont be legal but it is an option.

Posted: 12/31/2017 8:53:51 PM EST

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Indeed, Helen Keller could have seen that coming.

I feel the same way about pot as I do about booze: If you want to smoke, have at it. Just don't do anything that endangers other people, like driving to 7/11 on a late-night Cheetos run after you've blazed up.

Posted: 12/31/2017 8:54:51 PM EST

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Not quite. Applying to get the card demonstrates a willingness to consume MJ. Just like applying for a DL demonstrates a willingness to drive. Plenty of conduct can result in your DL being suspended, whether or not you "own a car or plan to drive one."

You may see some administrative remedy whereby you can send a sworn letter to ATF/NICS stating "yes I have the card, but I've never used MJ). No state court has the ability to throw this out since the NICS process is federal. I'd be shocked to see federal judges teeing up behind this, until the Supreme Court forecasts if it is going to deal with MJ nationally.

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Not quite. Applying to get the card demonstrates a willingness to consume MJ. Just like applying for a DL demonstrates a willingness to drive. Plenty of conduct can result in your DL being suspended, whether or not you "own a car or plan to drive one."

You may see some administrative remedy whereby you can send a sworn letter to ATF/NICS stating "yes I have the card, but I've never used MJ). No state court has the ability to throw this out since the NICS process is federal. I'd be shocked to see federal judges teeing up behind this, until the Supreme Court forecasts if it is going to deal with MJ nationally.

Federal law does not make a prohibited person out of anybody who "demonstrates a willingness" to use or become addicted to controlled substances.

(3) who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));

18 USC 922 (g)(3)

Posted: 12/31/2017 8:55:58 PM EST

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It will be deemed Unconstitutional.

Just because you have a card, does not mean that you use it.

Just because you have a drivers license does not mean that you own a car, or drive one.

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The why have the card in the first place?

Posted: 12/31/2017 8:57:21 PM EST

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'Sokay about the guns.

The Sacred Herb, Cure For All The World's Problems, will console them.

Posted: 12/31/2017 8:59:11 PM EST

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TLDR
Registration leads to confiscation. Eventually. Always.
AND, why do you holier than thou douches call everyone who smokes pot a "pot head"?
(I do not smoke pot and you would be surprised the people you know who do.)

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:05:31 PM EST

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AND, why do you holier than thou douches call everyone who smokes pot a "pot head"?

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I find it comically ironic that the same guys who redline the “support vets” campaign are staunchly against “pot heads” I know a LOT of vets who use pot to help with their mental and physical damage. Seeing what meds and alcohol was doing to them, and then seeing them off that shit and using pot, the difference is night and day.

“SUPPORT THE VETERANS!!!”...”oh wait they use pot, fuck those dirty druggies”

*calls Dr to refill script of cholesterol meds and viagra*

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:05:54 PM EST

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Meh...sounds reasonable. Dopers wanna dope and try to use "weed really helps" excuse; then they should be okay with whatever it costs them.

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:06:18 PM EST

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No doubt, this is the work of our POS governor.

Thou POS hast giveth. Thou POS hast has taken away.

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:10:01 PM EST

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States ignore one set of federal statutes (21 U.S. Code 812) while enforcing another set that rely upon the first (18 U.S. Code 922).

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+1000

Either enforce all federal laws or none of them.

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:11:36 PM EST

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In all, how is this a surprise?

There is always a trade off with anything the government does.

Any rule the the government puts into place that has one "yes" in it, probably has a thousand "noes".

And lots and lots and lots of people want to get high and not get busted for it. So they willingly support damn near anything that lets them do that. While pretty much ignoring any fine print.

Right, wrong, recreational, medical, it doesn't matter.

This way the government gets more stoned and docile people that can't defend themselves against an oppressive government,

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:14:52 PM EST

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You are no friend of the 2nd amendment.

You should log out and never return.

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:15:05 PM EST

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Because the same thing happened in every other state that decriminalized marijuana or because of the number of assholes that live in PA?

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:17:17 PM EST

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I was born in that state and I left when I turned 18 never to move back.

fuck you PA on
no semi auto hunting
no hunting on sunday
be completely cover in orange
gay ass display your hunting license on your back
no beer sold in gas stations
when you buy 2 cases they want your address
have to by beer in distributors where it's warm
buy liquor from a state owned store
get your vehicle inspected every year
not enough public land
high taxes

and now legal pot = no guns

FUCK YOU!!!!!!

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:17:53 PM EST

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Yeah, me too..or something.

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:19:04 PM EST

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Not quite. Applying to get the card demonstrates a willingness to consume MJ. Just like applying for a DL demonstrates a willingness to drive. Plenty of conduct can result in your DL being suspended, whether or not you "own a car or plan to drive one."

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This is super weak. There are people that have applied for cards to be able to obtain marijuana for people that were not ambulatory.

And, plenty of people get a drivers license without the intent to drive.

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:19:04 PM EST

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States ignore one set of federal statutes (21 U.S. Code 812) while enforcing another set that rely upon the first (18 U.S. Code 922).

I love consistency.

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Yet not one state has made so much as a peep about sidestepping the Hughes amendment or either NFA acts.

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:19:27 PM EST

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ZFG. Chose one or the other. As of now, you cannot have both.

You are no friend of the 2nd amendment.

You should log out and never return.

I'm a better friend than you are. How about YOU leave?

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:20:51 PM EST

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That's dumb as fuck.

Drug warriors need to get over themselves

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:23:46 PM EST

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I assume that the illegal handgun registry, which was ruled not an illegal registry, will not be used by the PSP to ID marijuana card holders who own handguns.

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:24:30 PM EST

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But can you still buy a case of whiskey and own a gun? Of course, god bless America.

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Hey man, reefer madness.

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:25:05 PM EST

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Land of the free

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:26:00 PM EST

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Yet not one state has made so much as a peep about sidestepping the Hughes amendment or either NFA acts.

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States ignore one set of federal statutes (21 U.S. Code 812) while enforcing another set that rely upon the first (18 U.S. Code 922).

I love consistency.

Yet not one state has made so much as a peep about sidestepping the Hughes amendment or either NFA acts.

A few states have made a feeble, limp-wristed attempt to side step various portions of the NFA (although machine guns are often specifically omitted) but they have been just that: limp-wristed and feeble and were abandoned the moment they lost in federal court.

When a Democrat controlled state wants to tell the Federal government to go love themselves tenderly with an extra spiny cactus, they just do it.

California is now a sanctuary state. How is that even a thing under our system of law? I don't know but it is.

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:27:46 PM EST

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States ignore one set of federal statutes (21 U.S. Code 812) while enforcing another set that rely upon the first (18 U.S. Code 922).

I love consistency.

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FPNI

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:29:35 PM EST

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Only the rights I support! Only those!

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:29:37 PM EST

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Oh shit. GD drunks circle jerk tonight!! "We got them dopers, more shots..."

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:31:11 PM EST

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Never get the card.

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Exactly. Has anyone had a problem getting pot for the last 40 years?

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:32:41 PM EST

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States ignore one set of federal statutes (21 U.S. Code 812) while enforcing another set that rely upon the first (18 U.S. Code 922).

I love consistency.

+1000

Either enforce all federal laws or none of them.

Yup. Few things build enmity and animosity faster than a double standard and this a la carte "I'll enforce this law but not this law" leaves a bad taste in a person's mouth.

As a gun owner who doesn't like most drugs, legal or otherwise, (the strongest drug I use is caffeine) I say both sets of statutes are unconstitutional and should go on the federal level.

Punish people for the things they DO which infringe upon another person's life, liberty, or property. Punishing people for simply possessing property (assuming not stolen) never struck me as a good, practical, or useful idea.

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:34:43 PM EST

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Do you, or do you not, agree that it's an illegal infringement of the 2A to ban pot smokers from owning guns?

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:35:11 PM EST

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Yet nearly every American is going to go get drunk tonight and not lose their Constitutional right to bear arms. Alcohol is a much stronger mind altering drug than THC, and also a proven killer.

I do not suggest anyone get a MJ card who wants to own guns, but the laws need to change put pot and alcohol on equal ground. Progress comes at a slow pace though, and I’m glad we’re seeing legal pot at least, because this is a major improvement in freedom.

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Without even commenting on the merits, this is a predictable consequence. Anybody who didn't see this coming is a fool.

Yep.

Yet nearly every American is going to go get drunk tonight and not lose their Constitutional right to bear arms. Alcohol is a much stronger mind altering drug than THC, and also a proven killer.

I do not suggest anyone get a MJ card who wants to own guns, but the laws need to change put pot and alcohol on equal ground. Progress comes at a slow pace though, and I’m glad we’re seeing legal pot at least, because this is a major improvement in freedom.

I agree. Hell we could do a group meet at a bar open carrying here and get shit faced, pick up a keg on the way back and blast clay birds in a field until we pass out in our own puke and be fine, but Bob who has seizures can't chew a pot gummy bear and be with us.

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:35:58 PM EST

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Meh...sounds reasonable. Dopers wanna dope and try to use "weed really helps" excuse; then they should be okay with whatever it costs them.

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K.

I have to ask - would you rather folks try opioids instead? What if pot actually does help people? Do you understand the addiction profile of the two aforementioned drugs?

I'm sorry, but I've had enough. Get your fucking head out of your ass. Folks ruin families and break in to homes like ours because they need money for another hit of opioids. "Dopers"? Not so much.

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:36:19 PM EST

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States ignore one set of federal statutes (21 U.S. Code 812) while enforcing another set that rely upon the first (18 U.S. Code 922).

I love consistency.

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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Means states are allowed to write countless laws so complex that not a single law enforcement officer in the whole state knows all of them.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Means that the federal government can control anything that does, or could, cross a state line.

This is what's wrong with our Republic.

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:37:25 PM EST

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Liberty and justice for all...

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And you probably have no problems with the idea of a pedophile teaching elementary school.

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:37:38 PM EST

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With the government's permission, taxes, and regulations.

May those chains rest gently ....

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:37:46 PM EST

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Exactly. Has anyone had a problem getting pot for the last 40 years?

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Never get the card.

Exactly. Has anyone had a problem getting pot for the last 40 years?

Most people try to stay within the law when they can.

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:38:24 PM EST

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Posted: 12/31/2017 9:39:32 PM EST

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There is a bipartisan love for weed making people prohibited persons.
The right because it hates weed and the left because it hates guns.

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:39:42 PM EST

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Well, with the law as it currently stands, you can either get your medical MJ, and then own and carry on the DL... Or be a law abiding gun owner and get your MJ on the DL.

It seems simple enough to me.

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:40:36 PM EST

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It will be deemed Unconstitutional.

Just because you have a card, does not mean that you use it.

Just because you have a drivers license does not mean that you own a car, or drive one.

Fucking retards. There is already precedence set with case law in other states.

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Great. So after someone ponies up a million dollars or so to run a court case through the system the state may, or may not, comply with the court decision in five or ten years.

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:41:05 PM EST

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A glaucoma patient could have seen this coming.

I take no joy in it.

The HASHasins were first. PTSD vets are next. Then just vets.

But I said nothing...because I can piss clean ....and I never served. I just rejected all paper trails.

Come and get it. I will be last...before their useful idiots.

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:41:46 PM EST

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Concealed means concealed.

Don't ask the gov for permission to do anything if at all possible.

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:42:15 PM EST

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ZFG. Chose one or the other. As of now, you cannot have both.

You are no friend of the 2nd amendment.

You should log out and never return.

I'm a better friend than you are. How about YOU leave?

The fuck you are.

You're willing to remove someone's right because they enjoy a different buzz than you.

Posted: 12/31/2017 9:42:17 PM EST

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There is a bipartisan love for weed making people prohibited persons.
The right because it hates criminals and the left because it hates guns.

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