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Posted: 6/26/2016 11:26:58 AM EST
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I think they are wanting to get away from the Combloc shit and they don't trust the West/NATO/EU after Hitlery/FBHO screwed them on the missile shield and Merkel tried to force ISIS orphans and widows down their throats.
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Posted: 6/26/2016 11:27:02 AM EST
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Who handled the transfer, TAPCO?
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Posted: 6/26/2016 11:27:24 AM EST
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I thought they were converting to M4/16 rifles? I guess having the Russian situation made them go with what they have in the pipeline. The Polish Armed Forces has placed its largest ever order for small arms, ordering over 26,000 Beryl rifles from Fabryka Broni Lucznik Radom. Worth PLN156 million (USD39.4 million), the contract includes the delivery of 17,621 wz. 96C Beryl assault rifles and 8,400 wz. 96C Mini Beryl carbines between 2016 and 2019. The order is the largest single firearms contract signed by Poland since 1990 and the biggest since Fabryka Broni Lucznik Radom was founded in 2000. The wz. 96 Beryl assault rifle and short-barrelled wz. 96 Mini Beryl carbine fed in 5.56x45 NATO were introduced in 1998 to replace 5.45x39 wz. 88 Tantal, 7.62x39 mm AK/AKM rifles in the Polish Army. http://www.janes.com/article/60791/poland-buys-26-000-beryl-rifles Looks like tapco |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 11:29:30 AM EST
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Anyone ever talk with the Polish dudes about their rifles?
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Posted: 6/26/2016 11:31:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone ever talk with the Polish dudes about their rifles? I never was around the Poles, but my understanding is, that for AK's, they are a pretty good variant. I think their SF guys use M4's, but I could be wrong. |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 11:35:12 AM EST
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Hmm. Wonder what this does for their import plans for the MSBS, the rifle Radom hoped Poland would adopt to replace the Beryl.
Could be good news for us since the last I heard they were going to push hard for us export sales after the polish trials were done and a rifle was picked. |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 11:39:08 AM EST
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I think the plan is to eventually go to the domestically produced MSBS rifle, but that's delayed because it's part of some larger grand scheme for re-equipping the Polish army. They've picked up some bad American defense contractor habits.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FB_MSBS 
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/02/10/msbs-greenlit-adoption-pending-polish-state-trials-ahead-titan-program/ The Polish government has greenlit the adoption of the MSBS rifle platform, pending state tests of the weapon, ahead and independent of the larger scope rearmament program “Titan” (sometimes also rendered “Titanium”). The reason for this is the much higher level of development of the MSBS system versus other components of the Titan program, however before MSBS is adopted it will still have to pass all the standards set by the Titan program. Radom plans on releasing a US semiauto version made at their Texas point of presence, but all that is hung up until the Polish army actually accepts it. |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 11:46:54 AM EST
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If I were them I would go with a domestically produced rifle over an imported one any day as long as it meets my requirements. I am not a big fan of relying on toher countries providing weapons for my military.
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Posted: 6/26/2016 11:56:02 AM EST
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If I were them I would go with a domestically produced rifle over an imported one any day as long as it meets my requirements. I am not a big fan of relying on toher countries providing weapons for my military. Yeah but a low tech item like a MBR is pretty safe as long as its in a standard caliber. Its not like the Russians can cut them off on rifles to make them change policy. Its the high tech stuff that makes that possible. |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 1:11:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah but a low tech item like a MBR is pretty safe as long as its in a standard caliber. Its not like the Russians can cut them off on rifles to make them change policy. Its the high tech stuff that makes that possible. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If I were them I would go with a domestically produced rifle over an imported one any day as long as it meets my requirements. I am not a big fan of relying on toher countries providing weapons for my military. Yeah but a low tech item like a MBR is pretty safe as long as its in a standard caliber. Its not like the Russians can cut them off on rifles to make them change policy. Its the high tech stuff that makes that possible. I'd like to see how the Polish T72 upgrade would do against the Russians.  |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 2:12:39 PM EST
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Why not the MSBS? I though that was being adopted soon. Maybe they just need more guns immediately due to the Russian invasion scenario.
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Posted: 6/26/2016 2:28:09 PM EST
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Why not the MSBS? I though that was being adopted soon. Maybe they just need more guns immediately due to the Russian invasion scenario. Cost,plain and simple. ETA: buying more Krab 155 SPH,Rak 120 SPM and Langusta MLRS are more valuable than spending money on new rifles. Russia still has a fuckton of tubes,their strengths are their PVO and quantity of artillery. |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 2:35:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd like to see how the Polish T72 upgrade would do against the Russians. http://www.smartage.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/2961-1078x516.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If I were them I would go with a domestically produced rifle over an imported one any day as long as it meets my requirements. I am not a big fan of relying on toher countries providing weapons for my military. Yeah but a low tech item like a MBR is pretty safe as long as its in a standard caliber. Its not like the Russians can cut them off on rifles to make them change policy. Its the high tech stuff that makes that possible. I'd like to see how the Polish T72 upgrade would do against the Russians. http://www.smartage.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/2961-1078x516.jpg across the board. |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 2:41:56 PM EST
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If I was the Supreme World Leader I would grant Poland at least one free bitch slap on Russia after what the USSR did to Poland during and after WW II
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Posted: 6/26/2016 2:43:45 PM EST
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Who handled the transfer, TAPCO? How much shit do they intend to mount to those guns? |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 2:54:36 PM EST
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doesn't beryl make that super accurate Archer ak?
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Posted: 6/26/2016 3:02:43 PM EST
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doesn't beryl make that super accurate Archer ak? Yes they do. I love mine. Its the best 556 AK ever made.  IMG_2585 by Austin Scott, on Flickr
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Posted: 6/26/2016 3:08:44 PM EST
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Beryl rifles are produced on some pretty nice machinery. No hammer and files here. Check out the Beryl production video from Radom. Sorry can't embed.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3HshR0j-EjA |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 3:16:24 PM EST
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I'd like to see how the Polish T72 upgrade would do against the Russians. http://www.smartage.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/2961-1078x516.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I were them I would go with a domestically produced rifle over an imported one any day as long as it meets my requirements. I am not a big fan of relying on toher countries providing weapons for my military. Yeah but a low tech item like a MBR is pretty safe as long as its in a standard caliber. Its not like the Russians can cut them off on rifles to make them change policy. Its the high tech stuff that makes that possible. I'd like to see how the Polish T72 upgrade would do against the Russians. http://www.smartage.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/2961-1078x516.jpg I fucking love tanks. |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 3:34:44 PM EST
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Beryl rifles are produced on some pretty nice machinery. No hammer and files here. Check out the Beryl production video from Radom. Sorry can't embed. http://youtube.com/watch?v=3HshR0j-EjA Quote HistoryQuoted:
Beryl rifles are produced on some pretty nice machinery. No hammer and files here. Check out the Beryl production video from Radom. Sorry can't embed. http://youtube.com/watch?v=3HshR0j-EjA cool vid!! Quoted:
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doesn't beryl make that super accurate Archer ak? Yes they do. I love mine. Its the best 556 AK ever made. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/Ft2qeW" target="_blank">https://c1.staticflickr.com/2/1449/25903736000_69bf982317_b.jpg</a>IMG_2585 by Austin Scott, on Flickr good looking rifle |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 3:46:13 PM EST
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I think they are wanting to get away from the Combloc shit and they don't trust the West/NATO/EU after Hitlery/FBHO screwed them on the missile shield and Merkel tried to force ISIS orphans and widows down their throats. Most likely correct with that. |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 3:51:32 PM EST
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I never was around the Poles, but my understanding is, that for AK's, they are a pretty good variant. I think their SF guys use M4's, but I could be wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone ever talk with the Polish dudes about their rifles? I never was around the Poles, but my understanding is, that for AK's, they are a pretty good variant. I think their SF guys use M4's, but I could be wrong. POLSOF has M4's, conventional has Beryls. Only been around POLSOF for months and hadnt seen any of the Beryls in a while, saw two yesterday. |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 4:07:23 PM EST
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I'd like to see how the Polish T72 upgrade would do against the Russians. http://www.smartage.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/2961-1078x516.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I were them I would go with a domestically produced rifle over an imported one any day as long as it meets my requirements. I am not a big fan of relying on toher countries providing weapons for my military. Yeah but a low tech item like a MBR is pretty safe as long as its in a standard caliber. Its not like the Russians can cut them off on rifles to make them change policy. Its the high tech stuff that makes that possible. I'd like to see how the Polish T72 upgrade would do against the Russians. http://www.smartage.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/2961-1078x516.jpg They're using Leo 2s now, I've seent it. The issue I've always raised whenever I've talked to the Poles has been mag interchangeability with other NATO forces. Also the fact that they use bmp-1s which when I saw I column of them I wanted to pull the triggers on my Abrams because of training lol 
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Posted: 6/26/2016 4:12:43 PM EST
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Maybe these are to equip their large expanding Home Guard forces.
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Posted: 6/26/2016 4:22:00 PM EST
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I love to see Poland arming themselves to the teeth!
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Posted: 6/26/2016 4:42:51 PM EST
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They're using Leo 2s now, I've seent it. The issue I've always raised whenever I've talked to the Poles has been mag interchangeability with other NATO forces. Also the fact that they use bmp-1s which when I saw I column of them I wanted to pull the triggers on my Abrams because of training lol Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I were them I would go with a domestically produced rifle over an imported one any day as long as it meets my requirements. I am not a big fan of relying on toher countries providing weapons for my military. Yeah but a low tech item like a MBR is pretty safe as long as its in a standard caliber. Its not like the Russians can cut them off on rifles to make them change policy. Its the high tech stuff that makes that possible. I'd like to see how the Polish T72 upgrade would do against the Russians. http://www.smartage.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/2961-1078x516.jpg They're using Leo 2s now, I've seent it. The issue I've always raised whenever I've talked to the Poles has been mag interchangeability with other NATO forces. Also the fact that they use bmp-1s which when I saw I column of them I wanted to pull the triggers on my Abrams because of training lol They have both Leopard 2s and the upgraded T-72s. |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 4:56:01 PM EST
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So that means more surplus AK mags on the market?
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Posted: 6/26/2016 5:01:20 PM EST
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I'd like to see how the Polish T72 upgrade would do against the Russians. http://www.smartage.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/2961-1078x516.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I were them I would go with a domestically produced rifle over an imported one any day as long as it meets my requirements. I am not a big fan of relying on toher countries providing weapons for my military. Yeah but a low tech item like a MBR is pretty safe as long as its in a standard caliber. Its not like the Russians can cut them off on rifles to make them change policy. Its the high tech stuff that makes that possible. I'd like to see how the Polish T72 upgrade would do against the Russians. http://www.smartage.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/2961-1078x516.jpg Their Leopard 2 upgrades will take care of Russian amror |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 5:03:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes they do. I love mine. Its the best 556 AK ever made. https://c1.staticflickr.com/2/1449/25903736000_69bf982317_b.jpgIMG_2585 by Austin Scott, on Flickr Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: doesn't beryl make that super accurate Archer ak? Yes they do. I love mine. Its the best 556 AK ever made. https://c1.staticflickr.com/2/1449/25903736000_69bf982317_b.jpgIMG_2585 by Austin Scott, on Flickr Is there a STANAG adapter that works with that? |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 5:04:15 PM EST
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Yes they do. I love mine. Its the best 556 AK ever made. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/Ft2qeW" target="_blank">https://c1.staticflickr.com/2/1449/25903736000_69bf982317_b.jpg</a>IMG_2585 by Austin Scott, on Flickr Quote HistoryQuoted:
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doesn't beryl make that super accurate Archer ak? Yes they do. I love mine. Its the best 556 AK ever made. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/Ft2qeW" target="_blank">https://c1.staticflickr.com/2/1449/25903736000_69bf982317_b.jpg</a>IMG_2585 by Austin Scott, on Flickr Fuck yeah. That's nice. 
Are they still for sale? |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 5:09:40 PM EST
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Seeing belligerent Poles heartens me.
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Posted: 6/26/2016 5:10:38 PM EST
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Is there a STANAG adapter that works with that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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doesn't beryl make that super accurate Archer ak? Yes they do. I love mine. Its the best 556 AK ever made. https://c1.staticflickr.com/2/1449/25903736000_69bf982317_b.jpgIMG_2585 by Austin Scott, on Flickr Is there a STANAG adapter that works with that? There are lots of companies that sell AR mag adapters. I bet you need to open a Beryl mag well up for it to fit. |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 5:11:49 PM EST
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Who handled the transfer, TAPCO? Pardon my ignorance, but what do you mean by this? I thought the Beryl was made in Poland? |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 5:12:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck yeah. That's nice. Are they still for sale? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: doesn't beryl make that super accurate Archer ak? Yes they do. I love mine. Its the best 556 AK ever made. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/Ft2qeW" target="_blank">https://c1.staticflickr.com/2/1449/25903736000_69bf982317_b.jpg</a>IMG_2585 by Austin Scott, on Flickr Fuck yeah. That's nice. Are they still for sale? Bud's has one in stock. |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 5:38:34 PM EST
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Bud's has one in stock. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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doesn't beryl make that super accurate Archer ak? Yes they do. I love mine. Its the best 556 AK ever made. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/Ft2qeW" target="_blank">https://c1.staticflickr.com/2/1449/25903736000_69bf982317_b.jpg</a>IMG_2585 by Austin Scott, on Flickr Fuck yeah. That's nice.
Are they still for sale? Bud's has one in stock. one on GB, still a ways until it ends though http://www.gunbroker.com/item/566540040 |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 5:42:44 PM EST
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Well now I found something new I must own...
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Posted: 6/26/2016 5:48:31 PM EST
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If I were them I would go with a domestically produced rifle over an imported one any day as long as it meets my requirements. I am not a big fan of relying on toher countries providing weapons for my military. If domestic supply can keep up. Three year contract for only 26 thousand rifles. |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 5:56:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: POLSOF has M4's, conventional has Beryls. Only been around POLSOF for months and hadnt seen any of the Beryls in a while, saw two yesterday. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Anyone ever talk with the Polish dudes about their rifles? I never was around the Poles, but my understanding is, that for AK's, they are a pretty good variant. I think their SF guys use M4's, but I could be wrong. POLSOF has M4's, conventional has Beryls. Only been around POLSOF for months and hadnt seen any of the Beryls in a while, saw two yesterday. Yeah, my only personal experience with talking with Polish troops was with GROM. And those guys had M4s. I love Poland. They're great allies.  |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 6:35:40 PM EST
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They're also building a large numbered reserve/militia force. Possibly this has a connection to that?
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Posted: 6/26/2016 8:02:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well now I found something new I must own... I'd like one. I'm not paying 1200 for one though. I think they'll be available, significantly less, when Radom gets the TX operation going. |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 8:30:14 PM EST
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I'd like one. I'm not paying 1200 for one though. I think they'll be available, significantly less, when Radom gets the TX operation going. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well now I found something new I must own... I'd like one. I'm not paying 1200 for one though. I think they'll be available, significantly less, when Radom gets the TX operation going. Hope they're cheaper than SLR-106s |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 8:40:27 PM EST
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that looks heavy as balls
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Posted: 6/26/2016 8:45:51 PM EST
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Well....we found out where a bunch of the Eotech buybacks are going.   |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 9:10:07 PM EST
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Over $1500 per rifle.....
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Posted: 6/26/2016 10:03:18 PM EST
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Over $1500 per rifle..... Royal Tiger sold a ton of them for $700 a few months back. Unfortunately like the jerkbags they are, the sale started off with the rifles including the removable rail, collapsible stock, and I think 4 mags. They quickly revised their offer and started shipping without the rail, and with the piece of shit I.O. Inc clubfoot stock, and with one mag. Then all of that stuff showed up, unsurprisingly, as "accessories" on their site. 
Shitty importers like Royal Tiger/I.O. are why we can't have nice things like the full-featured Beryl. |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 10:34:07 PM EST
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I paid roughly $1100 after tax for my 3rd Gen Beryl. I got the last one I was able to find. I jumped on it for what the rifle is.
I have zero issues with the price. The rifle is awesome. |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 10:48:38 PM EST
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Beryl rifles are produced on some pretty nice machinery. No hammer and files here. Check out the Beryl production video from Radom. Sorry can't embed. http://youtube.com/watch?v=3HshR0j-EjA That was a cool as hell vid! |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 10:51:54 PM EST
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I'd like to see how the Polish T72 upgrade would do against the Russians. http://www.smartage.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/2961-1078x516.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I were them I would go with a domestically produced rifle over an imported one any day as long as it meets my requirements. I am not a big fan of relying on toher countries providing weapons for my military. Yeah but a low tech item like a MBR is pretty safe as long as its in a standard caliber. Its not like the Russians can cut them off on rifles to make them change policy. Its the high tech stuff that makes that possible. I'd like to see how the Polish T72 upgrade would do against the Russians. http://www.smartage.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/2961-1078x516.jpg I'd put my money on the Poles. |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 11:06:51 PM EST
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Beryl rifles are produced on some pretty nice machinery. No hammer and files here. Check out the Beryl production video from Radom. Sorry can't embed. http://youtube.com/watch?v=3HshR0j-EjA That was a cool as hell vid! My Polish uglies went all atingle. I give that vid a big pecker's up! |
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Posted: 6/27/2016 1:25:20 AM EST
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If I were them I would go with a domestically produced rifle over an imported one any day as long as it meets my requirements. I am not a big fan of relying on toher countries providing weapons for my military. Yeah but a low tech item like a MBR is pretty safe as long as its in a standard caliber. Its not like the Russians can cut them off on rifles to make them change policy. Its the high tech stuff that makes that possible. I'd like to see how the Polish T72 upgrade would do against the Russians. http://www.smartage.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/2961-1078x516.jpg They also have a few thousand Spike ATGMs which have proven to work fine on T-72s 
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