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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:29:42 AM EST
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This, and she refused to allow the families of these victims to visit and comfort them. Her victims lay there in filth, dying agonizing drug and treatment free deaths, while she spent her days jetting around the world hobnobbing with the elite, campaigning against civil rights and birth control, and raising money that went only to her church. She was a sadistic monster who believed that pain and suffering were desired. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuck that bitch, if there's ever a hell may she be in the deepest and darkest and hottest part of it. For those who dont know, she used sick and near death patients and wouldn't let them have medical attention and use them for her PR & publicity stunt. Not to mention millions and millions of dollars in aid never reached the sick and poor she claimed to nurture and care for. 
This, and she refused to allow the families of these victims to visit and comfort them. Her victims lay there in filth, dying agonizing drug and treatment free deaths, while she spent her days jetting around the world hobnobbing with the elite, campaigning against civil rights and birth control, and raising money that went only to her church. She was a sadistic monster who believed that pain and suffering were desired. Wtf are you two talking about, sounds like catholic hate to me. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:30:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No fucks given.....the idiot is coming here to the El Paso area, (Juarez mx)to visit a prison then give a speech on immigration Fuck him and his "approval" 
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:30:58 AM EST
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Some Anglican, Methodists, and older orders of Lutherans still pray to the Saints. I have never heard of Methodists or Lutherans praying to dead saints. Are you sure? I could be mistaken. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:32:21 AM EST
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Acts 11:26 And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Taking your logic further, there can be no "Christians", ..... as none of these are mentioned in the Bible. Acts 11:26 And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. Oops, you're right. I was thinking about the notion that Christ instructed them to be called Christians. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:32:37 AM EST
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Look, if there's one guy I'm gonna give an excuse for being a bleeding heart liberal, it's the pope. What would you like him to do? Spit out a chew and be all like, "Yeah fuck them border jumpers. Probably nothing but dirty raping messicans here to steal jerbs. Probably should nuke them towel head A-rabs while we're at it. Caint be too sure." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No fucks given.....the idiot is coming here to the El Paso area, (Juarez mx)to visit a prison then give a speech on immigration Fuck him and his "approval" No, but I would expect him to say that any country has the right to control its borders and its immigration policies as it sees fit. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:37:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, but I would expect him to say that any country has the right to control its borders and its immigration policies as it sees fit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: No fucks given.....the idiot is coming here to the El Paso area, (Juarez mx)to visit a prison then give a speech on immigration Fuck him and his "approval" No, but I would expect him to say that any country has the right to control its borders and its immigration policies as it sees fit. I don't agree with him, but I certainly won't begrudge the guy for doing what he has to. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:37:17 AM EST
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I have never heard of Methodists or Lutherans praying to dead saints. Are you sure? I could be mistaken. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some Anglican, Methodists, and older orders of Lutherans still pray to the Saints. I have never heard of Methodists or Lutherans praying to dead saints. Are you sure? I could be mistaken. Yes. The practice differs in some ways from Catholicism, but the basic premise is the same. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:37:44 AM EST
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I'll tell you what will be a miracle. this thread making it to page 2. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll take "Organized Superstition" for $100. I'll tell you what will be a miracle. this thread making it to page 2. You're at page 5, do we grant you sainthood as well ? |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:39:32 AM EST
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Yes. The practice differs in some ways from Catholicism, but the basic premise is the same. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some Anglican, Methodists, and older orders of Lutherans still pray to the Saints. I have never heard of Methodists or Lutherans praying to dead saints. Are you sure? I could be mistaken. Yes. The practice differs in some ways from Catholicism, but the basic premise is the same. Well, while I appreciate your "assurance", do you have a cite? 
Edit: From Wiki: "Explicitly, Methodism denies Purgatory, relics, and prayer to saints—considering them to be distractions from the Christ-focused life and unfounded in Scripture." Edit " From Wiki: "Traditional Lutheran belief accounts that prayers to the saints are prohibited, as they are not mediators of redemption." |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:42:17 AM EST
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Well, while I appreciate your "assurance", do you have a cite?
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Some Anglican, Methodists, and older orders of Lutherans still pray to the Saints. I have never heard of Methodists or Lutherans praying to dead saints. Are you sure? I could be mistaken. Yes. The practice differs in some ways from Catholicism, but the basic premise is the same. Well, while I appreciate your "assurance", do you have a cite?
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:44:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are happy protestants?  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Protestants are just pissed because their prayers don't do shit. No, protestants are just happy catholics are no longer burning them at the stake for distributing Bibles. Well, yeah. It's all the good parts with none of the silliness like saint praying or pretending that a cookie turns to flesh. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:46:42 AM EST
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Do you constantly wink at people when speaking in person as well? An internet search notes that the winky icon means, "not entirely serious" and is used to show a friendly tone of address. Why does this mean so much to you what I do? |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:50:48 AM EST
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An internet search notes that the winky icon means, "not entirely serious" and is used to show a friendly tone of address. Why does this mean so much to you what I do? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you constantly wink at people when speaking in person as well? An internet search notes that the winky icon means, "not entirely serious" and is used to show a friendly tone of address. Why does this mean so much to you what I do? Doesn't mean a lot. It always comes across as weird/condescending to me. Just thought I'd ask. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:52:36 AM EST
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Edit: From Wiki: "Explicitly, Methodism denies Purgatory, relics, and prayer to saints—considering them to be distractions from the Christ-focused life and unfounded in Scripture." Edit " From Wiki: "Traditional Lutheran belief accounts that prayers to the saints are prohibited, as they are not mediators of redemption." Quote HistoryQuoted:
Edit: From Wiki: "Explicitly, Methodism denies Purgatory, relics, and prayer to saints—considering them to be distractions from the Christ-focused life and unfounded in Scripture." Edit " From Wiki: "Traditional Lutheran belief accounts that prayers to the saints are prohibited, as they are not mediators of redemption." From Wiki as well. However, if you look deeply at the Oxford Movement, and you look at the concept that some Lutherans believe in Saints (heavenly) praying for the Church, then it blurs the line between "prayer to the dead". Again, it is not the same as the Catholic ideology, but it still follows the basic premise of intercession from a non-terrestrial being. During my BA, the only Church near the campus was a Lutheran Church, and I recall the practice of intercession, although it was nowhere near as prominent as in my own Church. Anglican and Methodist views
Early Protestant views on Saints, their veneration, and their intercession vary, clearly as a function of each sect's independent interpretation of scriptures, and in some cases each sect's independent interpretation of which books in the Bible even comprise the scriptures. The first Anglican articles of faith, the Ten Articles (1536), defended the practice of praying to saints,[6] while the King's Book, the official statement of religion produced in 1543, devotes an entire section to the importance of the Ave Maria ("Hail Mary") prayer.[7] However, the Thirty-Nine Articles (1563), as well as the Methodist Articles of Religion (1784), condemn the "invocation of saints" as "a fond thing, vainly invented, and grounded upon no warranty of Scripture, but rather repugnant to the Word of God" (Article XXII - Anglican; Article XIV - Methodist). However, theologians within the Anglican Communion make a clear distinction between a "Romish" and a "Patristic" doctrine concerning the invocation of saints, permitting the latter, but forbidding the former.  The Oxford Movement saw a revival of the Patristic practice, which is now found among High Church Anglicans and especially Anglo-Catholics.[citation needed] William Tyndale had been an early opponent of the practice.[9]
Lutheran views Traditional Lutheran belief accounts that saints pray for the Church in general,[10] but are in later dissertations as not quite mediators of redemption.[11] Martin Luther, the founder of Lutheranism, approved honouring the saints [12] by saying they are honoured in three ways: firstly by thanking God for examples of His mercy[citation needed] ; secondly by using the saints as example for strengthening our faith, and thirdly by imitating their faith and other virtues.[13][14] |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:59:38 AM EST
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Look, if there's one guy I'm gonna give an excuse for being a bleeding heart liberal, it's the pope. What would you like him to do? Spit out a chew and be all like, "Yeah fuck them border jumpers. Probably nothing but dirty raping messicans here to steal jerbs. Probably should nuke them towel head A-rabs while we're at it. Caint be too sure." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No fucks given.....the idiot is coming here to the El Paso area, (Juarez mx)to visit a prison then give a speech on immigration Fuck him and his "approval" It is a political wind he does not need to be fanning. If he wants to involve himself in politics he should instead be addressing the issues of the host country. "Why do Mexicans try so hard to leave? What's wrong with Mexico Mr. Mexican Politician? HMMMM?" |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 12:02:06 PM EST
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Lol right.....a miracle. Got it. +1 |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 12:03:28 PM EST
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Doesn't mean a lot. It always comes across as weird/condescending to me. Just thought I'd ask. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you constantly wink at people when speaking in person as well? An internet search notes that the winky icon means, "not entirely serious" and is used to show a friendly tone of address. Why does this mean so much to you what I do? Doesn't mean a lot. It always comes across as weird/condescending to me. Just thought I'd ask. So an icon that means "not entirely serious" and is used to show a friendly tone of address", seems to you to be "weird and condescending"? |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 12:06:26 PM EST
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..... and you look at the concept that some Lutherans believe in Saints (heavenly) praying for the Church, then it blurs the line between "prayer to the dead". Again, it is not the same as the Catholic ideology, but it still follows the basic premise of intercession from a non-terrestrial being. Yes, all Protestants believe that the departed saints in Heaven pray for the church. But we are not to ask them for specific individual intervention. We only pray to Jesus. (Again, not an insult to your beliefs, only an explanation of ours.) |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 12:28:23 PM EST
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Honestly it is a matter of semantics. We call those that were alive on earth and have died, "Dead", in that they are no longer alive here on earth. We know that they are "alive" in a new life in Heaven. But we do not believe that we are commanded to ask them to pray for us. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Merry Christmas to you too. However, it's a bit of a strawman question because we do not "Ask the dead saints to pray for your needs"--we ask fellow Christians, alive in Christ as He told us they are, to pray for us, just as I ask you to pray for me. Honestly it is a matter of semantics. We call those that were alive on earth and have died, "Dead", in that they are no longer alive here on earth. We know that they are "alive" in a new life in Heaven. But we do not believe that we are commanded to ask them to pray for us. It's all good, brother. We simply believe that they are not dead as Christ said they were not dead. I'm not about to contradict Him.  And it's not a command, just a practice that is neither mandated nor condemned.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 12:30:40 PM EST
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Key difference. Protestants sometimes ask the living to pray for them, Catholics are asking the DEAD to pray for them, and more specifically to intercede with God on their behalf. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Key difference. Protestants sometimes ask the living to pray for them, Catholics are asking the DEAD to pray for them, and more specifically to intercede with God on their behalf. Nope. They are not dead in the spiritual sense. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live. John 11:25 |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 1:07:08 PM EST
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“There is only one God and He is God to all; therefore it is important that everyone is seen as equal before God. Didn't some university professor just get suspended for saying that? |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 1:07:58 PM EST
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The Bible tells us that those who die in Christ are not dead. Why don't you follow scripture? John 11:26 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... The practice of prayers of intercession is found AND recommended in Scripture, but the Church is Christo-centric and there is no path through Heaven, but through Christ himself. So you have never prayed on behalf of anyone else, a mother, friend, wife? That is a far different practice than pleading for a saint, a dead person, to pray for us. The Bible tells us that those who die in Christ are not dead. Why don't you follow scripture? And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Well shit, that settles that. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 1:10:04 PM EST
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Well shit, that settles that. Shrug. If you believe in Jesus, you gotta go with what he said. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 1:11:42 PM EST
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If one would believe "the dead know not anything" part of the Bible, then this issue would go away......ymmv Selective belief? |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 1:13:05 PM EST
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Anti Catholic fate is wrong in the tread. Facts are meaningless. Take possibly the single best example of a living Saint (in our time) with a fully documented life-and still the haters hate Not all who disagree hate ............ you need to learn to use words correctly. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 1:13:56 PM EST
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No fucks given.....the idiot is coming here to the El Paso area, (Juarez mx)to visit a prison then give a speech on immigration Fuck him and his "approval" You know, I'm not catholic, and I have my issues with the religion, but I think the position of Pope should garner at least a bit of respect. So should the office of the POTUS. FBHO. ETA: If he wants respect for his position, he should stick to his position, and stay out of politics. He is a head-of-state too How many divisions has the pope? |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 1:27:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many divisions has the pope? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No fucks given.....the idiot is coming here to the El Paso area, (Juarez mx)to visit a prison then give a speech on immigration Fuck him and his "approval" You know, I'm not catholic, and I have my issues with the religion, but I think the position of Pope should garner at least a bit of respect. So should the office of the POTUS. FBHO. ETA: If he wants respect for his position, he should stick to his position, and stay out of politics. He is a head-of-state too How many divisions has the pope? |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 1:33:47 PM EST
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Wow the saints thing is still going?
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Posted: 12/19/2015 1:34:29 PM EST
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I dunno. Go piss off the Swiss Guard and let me know when you find out Last I knew, my lever-action .44 magnum fudd gun trumps their pikes. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 1:35:26 PM EST
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You know, I'm not catholic, and I have my issues with the religion, but I think the position of Pope should garner at least a bit of respect. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No fucks given.....the idiot is coming here to the El Paso area, (Juarez mx)to visit a prison then give a speech on immigration Fuck him and his "approval" You know, I'm not catholic, and I have my issues with the religion, but I think the position of Pope should garner at least a bit of respect. Why? |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 1:36:31 PM EST
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No fucks given.....the idiot is coming here to the El Paso area, (Juarez mx)to visit a prison then give a speech on immigration Fuck him and his "approval" You know, I'm not catholic, and I have my issues with the religion, but I think the position of Pope should garner at least a bit of respect. Why? Well shit ........... because he's the pope. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 1:43:11 PM EST
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 "Miracles" |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 1:55:12 PM EST
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No fucks given.....the idiot is coming here to the El Paso area, (Juarez mx)to visit a prison then give a speech on immigration Fuck him and his "approval" You know, I'm not catholic, and I have my issues with the religion, but I think the position of Pope should garner at least a bit of respect. So should the office of the POTUS. FBHO. ETA: If he wants respect for his position, he should stick to his position, and stay out of politics. He is a head-of-state too Not mine. He should mind his own business. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 2:02:14 PM EST
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How long until Obama becomes a saint for his economic miracles?
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Posted: 12/19/2015 2:06:42 PM EST
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Holy Sepulcher ---- this thread is nuts.
A couple of months ago, when they made Father Junipero Serra a saint, the left were complaining that he was a Spanish imperialist who was bent on the destruction of "first peoples" culture in California. link Now a bunch of you are whining about bookkeeping of the Missionaries of Charity? Seriously? And I have learned from experience to stay out of ARFCOM "roles of saints in the Catholic church" threads 
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Posted: 12/19/2015 2:08:44 PM EST
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Not mine. He should mind his own business. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No fucks given.....the idiot is coming here to the El Paso area, (Juarez mx)to visit a prison then give a speech on immigration Fuck him and his "approval" You know, I'm not catholic, and I have my issues with the religion, but I think the position of Pope should garner at least a bit of respect. So should the office of the POTUS. FBHO. ETA: If he wants respect for his position, he should stick to his position, and stay out of politics. He is a head-of-state too Not mine. He should mind his own business. I think he meant that the Pope is King of Vatican City |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 2:10:02 PM EST
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Shrug. If you believe in Jesus, you gotta go with what he said. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well shit, that settles that. Shrug. If you believe in Jesus, you gotta go with what he said. I believe in Jesus, as do millions and millions of Protestants and I don't think that is what He meant at all.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 2:11:40 PM EST
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And I have learned from experience to stay out of ARFCOM "roles of saints in the Catholic church" threads And yet..........Here you are. 
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Posted: 12/19/2015 2:19:39 PM EST
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I believe in Jesus, as do millions and millions of Protestants and I don't think that is what He meant at all.
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Well shit, that settles that. Shrug. If you believe in Jesus, you gotta go with what he said. I believe in Jesus, as do millions and millions of Protestants and I don't think that is what He meant at all.
Always be careful about condemning those that disagree with you.
Didn't condemn. Just pointed out the scripture where we draw the practice. As for what He meant, it's getting back to what your opinion of the interpretation of the passage is. We both have differing interpretations, but I wouldn't call yours non-Biblical just because we have a differing opinion. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 2:25:01 PM EST
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We both have differing interpretations, but I wouldn't call yours non-Biblical just because we have a differing opinion. 
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Posted: 12/19/2015 2:37:01 PM EST
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Protestants are just pissed because their prayers don't do shit. Non Catholics spend a lot of time worrying about what Catholics get up to I only worry about the ones in government, you know, like PaulRyan, John Boehner,Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, may he rest in shit, Etc..... Anyhow, they should make saints of the pharmaceutical researchers that came up with those treatments the patient was given that they discounted as ineffective. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 2:40:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Last I knew, my lever-action .44 magnum fudd gun trumps their pikes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I dunno. Go piss off the Swiss Guard and let me know when you find out Last I knew, my lever-action .44 magnum fudd gun trumps their pikes. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 2:52:16 PM EST
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So should the office of the POTUS. FBHO. ETA: If he wants respect for his position, he should stick to his position, and stay out of politics. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No fucks given.....the idiot is coming here to the El Paso area, (Juarez mx)to visit a prison then give a speech on immigration Fuck him and his "approval" You know, I'm not catholic, and I have my issues with the religion, but I think the position of Pope should garner at least a bit of respect. So should the office of the POTUS. FBHO. ETA: If he wants respect for his position, he should stick to his position, and stay out of politics. He is the leader of a country. Maybe that's why. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 2:56:54 PM EST
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No fucks given.....the idiot is coming here to the El Paso area, (Juarez mx)to visit a prison then give a speech on immigration Fuck him and his "approval" You know, I'm not catholic, and I have my issues with the religion, but I think the position of Pope should garner at least a bit of respect. So should the office of the POTUS. FBHO. ETA: If he wants respect for his position, he should stick to his position, and stay out of politics. He is a head-of-state too How many divisions has the pope? OK, Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 3:44:39 PM EST
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"Miracles" Poof! |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 3:46:24 PM EST
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And I have learned from experience to stay out of ARFCOM "roles of saints in the Catholic church" threads And yet..........Here you are. You beat me to it. 
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Posted: 12/19/2015 3:48:25 PM EST
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How many divisions has the pope? OK, Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili. That's the guy I quoted. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 7:44:27 PM EST
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Look, if there's one guy I'm gonna give an excuse for being a bleeding heart liberal, it's the pope. What would you like him to do? Spit out a chew and be all like, "Yeah fuck them border jumpers. Probably nothing but dirty raping messicans here to steal jerbs. Probably should nuke them towel head A-rabs while we're at it. Caint be too sure." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No fucks given.....the idiot is coming here to the El Paso area, (Juarez mx)to visit a prison then give a speech on immigration Fuck him and his "approval" Why not just STFU? It's not his border. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 7:50:06 PM EST
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I'll take "Organized Superstition" for $100. I'll tell you what will be a miracle. this thread making it to page 2. You're at page 5, do we grant you sainthood as well ? No thanks. I couldn't live by those rules. I enjoy fun too much. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 10:24:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not just STFU? It's not his border. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: No fucks given.....the idiot is coming here to the El Paso area, (Juarez mx)to visit a prison then give a speech on immigration Fuck him and his "approval" Why not just STFU? It's not his border. |
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