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Unfortunately for the visiting team, which is you, my dear man, the coach is coming out to inform me that due to your inexplicable inablility to correctly use Board Code, the umpire is declaring a forfeit, and the home teams wins! Shape up son! I'm almost certain that you will be called back from some farm team to the majors, one day! And that is 'Southern-speak' for 'I really don't think that's going to happen!' BTW, clean up that post as quickly as you can! I'm not about to let you out of the stadium and onto your bus without a sound drubbing in the parking lot! Eric The(MostValuablePlayerInThisSeries)Hun |
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Wow. It only took six pages for this word to come crawling out the woodwork, so to speak. eh. There's worse things to be than a heretic. I think I'm just going to get a t-shirt. You're losing your cool if you're suggesting that a person ingest a known lethal poison. Of course, I'm not going to take your statement literally. I know you were speaking figuratively. You're still losing your cool, though. |
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quoted: Let me get this straight. You delved into sorcery(pharmakos) and found GOD? More likely deceived. Satan came to Eve wrapped in the guise of the most beautiful creature of the garden, the serpent, not as a warthog. wganz what an up tight, closed minded F***tard. sorcery ????? it was a fruit made by God(s). Other then that your train of thought seems on track. ******************************* posted by John_Wayne777: You are out of your mind. Nobody in the Bible had an encounter with God because they were high. Stop using drugs and start repenting and seeking God's face according to His word. THEN you will find Him. Now all you have found is hallucination. same mind set at work here..... news flash ole holy self-rightous one--- Jesus was a drug user what do you think alcohol is????? posted by John_Wayne777:..... I have already adressed your silly "gotcha" question with Jesus' own words, He has you on speed- dial huh????? posted by mcnielsen: My ancestors, the Vikings, used mushies and other drugs to go into BERSERKER RAGE when entering combat. maybe, maybe not. But the would have most likely been the amanita muscaria variety- I don't think cubies grow in Scandinavia. Many people feel that mushrooms may have been THE source for divine inspiration in our distant past. I think most users now days would be more likely to see the hypocricy in modern 'religion' Saying one thing on Sunday--- (There are two popular beliefs about the origin of the English word: "Sunday." It is derived from the name of the Scandinavian sun Goddess Sunna (a.k.a. Sunne, Frau Sonne). 5,6 It is derived from "Sol," the Roman God of the Sun." Their phrase "Dies Solis" means "day of the Sun." The Christian saint Jerome (d. 420) commented "If it is called the day of the sun by the pagans. we willingly accept this name, for on this day the Light of the world arose, on this day the Sun of Justice shone forth." ) but act differently all week. Bullshit 'ministries' built around huge congregations where the pastor doesn't even know your name.. huge 'mega-churches' "non- denominational" what kinda bullshit is that?? can't even pick a belief system to follow??? Internation TV broadcast begging for money.... |
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Most Valuable player eh? I thought you would say that Jesus was your MVP..... Its amazing what I learn here in the GD.... btw... My board code is fine.... as are your lack of answers And your forfiet thingy.... that was sarcasm not "southern-speak" are you REALLY a southerner? |
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Its alright Hydgirl, Well its all right according to Mark anyways....... Mark 16:18(King James Version) 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. I mean after all it is the LITERAL word of God........ |
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Man, alive, I would think you'd give up posting if you can't handle Board Code! Please reform your post, and I'll knock it out of the park! Again. And again. Eric The('Owned'BySomeoneBetterThanYouSir)Hun |
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**Yawn** You lost on facts so now you attack my board code? Please...... your a funny guy.... BTW I see you edited your post too... Now wouldn't that have been embarrassing! |
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Good grief! I correct my mistakes, you appear to revel in all of yours! And the day that I 'lose' on the facts to someone such as you will be the day that I step out in front of a truck! BTW, it's 'you're a funny guy'!
Human, all too human, but I correct my mistakes. And it is impossible to reply to anyone's posts that are not properly formatted. I would have to format your post first and then answer it. And you can do your own ding-dong reformatting! Understood? Eric The(ProbablyNot!)Hun |
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Please, Eric, don't walk out in front of any trucks on my account. Its quite unneccesarry, honestly.
You have seemed to have lost all composure now that you are ingoring certain tell tale points, attacking my code, and grammar and hinting once again that those who see differently than you are "stupid".... What next are you going to call me Beazelbub himself! I suggest you stop this tom foolery now, its very unbecoming of a man of your stature..... |
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Oh, I was just merely using a bit of hyperbole. My Jesus would not appreciate me walking out in front of a truck for any reason. Who knows what your little 'j' Jesus appreciates???
If you are going to run with the big dogs, then by all means do so, but if not stay on the porch with the pooches! You've attempted to take this discussion wide and far. OK, so be it. I would love to respond to your posts above, but I refuse to do your work for you. Yet, I see that you have not corrected those posts, yet, which leads me to believe that you don't sincerely wish me to answer them. Oh, and where's that thread on the '101 Contradictions in the New Testament' you should have posted by now??!! Reform your posts, son, and see if I don't respond. Eric The(Really,ReallyBigDog)Hun |
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It sucks that if you have to get fucked up to find God, maybe he isn't there- or at least not home at the moment.
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<---chiming in on page 7....
You, sir, misspelled your boss's name. It's Beelzebub. |
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Mercy, if I was an unsaved person contemplating Christianity the responses to this thread would turn me off in a hurry.
God be with us all. |
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Visions of granduer? This has nothing to do with anything other than you trying to convince me your a **cough cough** Big Dog? How transparant your insecurity!
It was not I who took it far and wide.... I posted ON TOPIC until some of the zealots started in on all of this..... Go ahead show me where I instigated taking this topic "far and wide".
Wait, So are you not responding to my posts because they are off topic or are you not responding to them because of my formating? Which is it? Usually when one is either being untruthful or evasive they will offer up more than one seemingly unrelated reasons for not doing something even when either one of those excuses would have sufficed if they were offered by itself.... I think you would have learned that in all that lawyering you do. I learnt me that in poker..... There are wise and there are otherwise, brother. But keep telling yourself your a "big dog". I am sure that will be comforting even though your avoiding a real conversation and instead attacking my person.... Perhaps if your good someone will take you for a walk later! Your a legend in your own mind, "Big Dog"! Edit to add... With that I bid you gentlemen goodday as I have a Hockey game tonight and my day is done here....... |
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Wait, Brother! Maybe he is a disciple of 'Beazelbub', whoever that might be? Eric The(WhoKnows,WhoCares)Hun |
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ETH, why do you think I specifically requested your opinion on this in my 1st post? Because I knew you'd understand! If you're ever in Jawja I sure would like to take you to Church, eat at Buckner's Family Resturant and go burn some ammo. I've kept quiet about this but I think we were separated at birth! |
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Post from onemangang -
And understand, I do! Where you've been, I have been. I was 'outside the fold', or 'in the wilderness', however you may call it, for a seven year period in my early adult life. I suppose that had I died during this period, I would have gone straight to Hell. Suppose? Hell, there's no doubt about it! The ground would have opened up and swallowed me! But I didn't die and the ground didn't have to open up!. And I think that is because it is not what He intended for me, so, Prodigal Son that I was, I came to my senses and returned home to my father's house. There were not a lot of 'fatted calves' to be killed, but there was much hugging and kissing and thanking God I'd come home! And that was sufficient enough for me! 'Don't worry, soldier, you're home now!' ~ Casualties of War, 1989.
No need to be embarrassed by our kinship! Before we were Texans, By Gawd, all the Huns were Georgians! I look forward to our dinner some day. Either in Georgia, the Hun Farm, or at Our Father's House! Eric The(GeorgiaPeach)Hun |
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See? I have a sense of humor. |
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As I stated before, the idea that Jesus ever drank alcohol is hardly proven fact. So no, Jesus was NOT a drug user. He certainly didn't trip on shrooms, or pass out joints and tell people to toke out and turn on.
No, I happen to have His teachings and words conveniently stored in this cool book called the Bible. It is amazing! You can look up all SORTS of stuff. You should try it sometime. |
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yeah, it was pretty funny. Chris |
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thank you, that was best compliment I've had all day, and besides, it is Mr. F***tard to you sonny
fixed the heresy of your ways. yep, sorcery. The practice of mis-using drugs is the transliteration of the Greek. The mis-use of what was given to man by God. Morphine is from a plant given to man by God. It has definite uses in medicine for pain relief and vasodilation. Not something to be an additive to six packs of beer.
not according to the definitions in the Bible it isn't, you've let the do-gooders blind you with the PC speech. Probably bought into the stupidity that he was a total pacificist also. He made an improvised weapon when he needed one(made a whip for the money changers) and told his disciples to sell their coats to buy swords. Told everyone to do good & be on their best behavior when He gets back, because He'll come back with an attitude & an ass whooping with everybody that didn't listen the first go round.
The irrefutable facts are that the Jews have returned to Israel, they possess Jerusaleum, and they are ready to rebuild their temple. Germany is reunited and there is a European Union that mirrors the Roman Empire. A third of the African population is HIV+ and is ripe for a plaque to kill a third of the population. There are wars and rumors of wars(guerrilla & terrorist actions). HE is coming back soon. This time HE said HE would be riding a stallion as THE King and not a mule as a servent. HE promised that his clothes would be splattered with the blood of the soldiers HE kills when HE comes back. HE promised that HE would slay them in HIS anger. Your life, your choice, your eternity. Choose well. wganz ¶ |
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Mushrooms and Acid is what led me away from monotheistic religions (and all religions at that). I indeed explored the questions that have perplexed mankind from the beginning and found that it is me alone that dictates my life. Religion is a scapegoat for the people who can't accept the responsibility of life on their own. Were the dinosaurs Christian? Why are there so many religions? If Christianity was the "truth" then whey aren't all people inherently Christian? I'll tell you what, if Jesus came to earth and said, look, the earth is not flat, the earth is not the center of the universe, and explained the laws of physics...I might have some faith in him. Once you understand that religion is all man-made, the truth will indeed set you free. Being institutionalized is not for me; of coarse being educated also helps.
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Mushrooms and acid, eh? Yep. That would have been my guess, too. Eric The(PassingThrough)Hun |
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+1 I agree |
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We have a winner! ! ! ! ! ! ! Chris |
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Saved?...
Thank god for Constantine and the inquisitions for perpetuating dogma through violence... Lame. |
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Who knew that a common ornamental cactus (san pedro and perucian torch) are both legal and contain mescaline?
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'Twas a joke. And I wasn't loosing my cool. I was cool like Abdul, you know what I'm sayin? WEST SIDE!! Back to our normally scheduled thread.... |
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Thank God for the Emperor Constantine who brought the violent and bloody persecutions of Christians throughout the Roman Empire to a final end. As far as the Inquisition goes, were I an accused criminal defendant in Spain in 1600 AD, I would much rather have faced the Inquisitors in their Court than be brought before the secular civil Spanish authorities in one of their criminal courts. And if a person knew the history of those days, so would they! Eric The(Historical)Hun |
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Ahh your right its Delusions of Granduer..
I asked you to show me where... You haven't, you failed. As for the contradictions it was only to demonstrate that the GoT was no different than the rest of the mythology.
More like you don't have as many answers as you think you do so you turn to attacking the poster to divert the attention from your lack of knowledge....
Hah..... better things to do? hourly rate? You? Thats rich....
**yawn** your childish need to control others would be laughable if it wasn't so transparent. I requoted myself to show you once again that you missed the main point of this and attempted (yet again) and failed (yet again) to avoid your obvious deficiencies....
**yawn** All the information is there.... If you wish to discuss it by all means.... If you wish to use this formating excuse to duck my points I would not want to take out your safe exit.....
Ahh... ok.....
Sin of pride..... Don't flatter yourself, kid...
Nope, I just have a real life outside of Arfcom and don't need to bicker back and forth ALL night to validate my worth in this world..... however YMMV.... |
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Ahhh, don't you wish you had wit? And congratulations on getting that pesky Board Code down right! Why don't you use some of this newly discovered wisdom to go back and remedy some of your posts? Don't want to read my responses? I can't say that I blame you! 'The burned child fears the fire', as we've all heard.
Go fix your posts and just see what I would say! Carbon dating tests on the so-called 'gospel of Thomas'? I think not! Prove me wrong, bucko!
Prove it! Reform your posts and I promise to answer each and every point(?) you try to make! If you don't do so, it's simply because you don't want to read my responses. That's all it is. You are skeered!
Yes, very rich.
'Obvious deficiencies' are something that the physicians likely consoled your parents about in the delivery room. (How do you like my repeat use of the word 'likely'?)
Nope. There is no information there, in any of your replies, at all. Reform your posts, sonny, and watch me show you!
Well, I've never been accused of that, but if you think so, I'm flattered.
I never flatter myself. I've gotten too used to others doing it for me.
Spoken like someone who truly doesn't have a life outside ARFCOM! Don't like bickering? That's strange, you argue like someone who bickers constantly. Your failue to reform your posts into the proper format leaves me to believe that you simply don't wish to disucuss those 'points' you think your posts raise. Since you've already shown yourself prone to 'bickering', it is unlikely that your failure to do so results from anything other than you believe that you've made statements that cannot be successfully defended. That's throwing in the towel no matter what sort of alternative interpretation you try to put on it. Your 'worth' in this world, as you put it, is not going to be at issue simply for anything you fail to do here on ARFCOM. But your worth as someone whose views that I should pay attention to has certainly taken a nosedive! And that is surely lamentable. Eric The(VeryDisappointed)Hun |
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Wit like yours? Please.... In this battle I'm afraid you appear unarmed! And please this whole trying to make me go back and edit my posts. All the information is there. You apparently are not handicapped. You choose not to answer and your lame excuse is exposed for all to see! BEHOLD THE MIGHTY HUN who cannot address simple points and must attack the format to hide his deficiencies! BTW... Whats with this need to try to dominate others.... Whats with this need to make sure everyone knows that YOU are a big dog, and that you have wit? Were you picked on as a kid? Chosen last at kickball? Low self esteem? There are people who can help you.....
Ahh thats your job. "I think not" proves that you "think not" not that carbon dating tests were not done. If I am wrong I am sure you can prove it with facts and not simple emotion that your so apt to display.
uh... yeah I am scared.... Your obsession to control is very intruiging..... Its coming off to me almost as a borderline personality disorder. Very interesting.....
Ahh more braggadocio. Not very proffessional if you ask me.... Does your material wealth buy you your happiness? It does not seem so....
Oh with that infamous wit.... Your a charming old chap aren't you. So clever. Brava Hun, Brava ***Golf clap***
No thank you. If you want to show me something then do it.... (Not being able to control me must be KILLING you!) OCD?
You really should cease this detestable compound of rodomontade it is very unbecoming.
So now we are resorting to "I know you are but what am I" and you say your my better, HAH!
My failure to do your bidding has cost you to lose all composure. My points are made and if you have something to say than say it. But you don't which is why you chose to start attacking me personally as is your modus operendi. It was not I who went down this personal road here it was you my friend.
Nice try..... Your failure to control me and your personal bickering with me as a method for you to avoid the obvious is apparent.
Turn that mirror around to the shiny side my friend!
You simply won't give up will you? Is this your final tactic to get me to do what you want? I sure hope so. Its a lame tactic that I hope you don't use when your defending a client! And as if you would consider this heretic as someone you would pay attention to or view of being worthy of the delusioned Hun... Funny though how many pages have you already done so? |
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Are you forgetting how Constantine came to power? And yes, he indeed established Christianity as the religion of Rome, thereby ending the persecutions of the then Jewish sect called Christians. What to you think happened to the people who still held on to their own beliefs? Do you think all the Roman populace instantaneously became Christian based on the teachings of Jesus? I think not. The emperor’s wishes were imposed in the same manner as all of Rome's emperors before. Also, you can add Columbus and all the European missionaries who came and conquered the indigenous peoples of the Americas only to force through violence and death the "word of God" upon them. That is not "saving" them. See the problem is that you are looking at everything from an ethnocentric perspective; therefore, you are unknowingly confining yourself to a myopic paradigm. This is a consequence of your Christian indoctrination, for you cannot (because of absolute blasphemy) even question anything that is contrary to the Bible, thus your thought parameters are fixed. Moreover, you are equating my disbelief in the institution of religion (Christianity specifically in this case) with a disbelief in a god or some kind of higher power. During the first period of my philosophical revelation you were correct. However, as time and many thoughts have passed, I have become comfortable with the fact that the truth is…who the hell knows. No one does. Religion attempts to explain the world around us, using God or a god or many gods as the medium for which to receive answers, consequently forming the premise for a provisional faith. Science does the same thing, though merely employing different methodologies. Furthermore, it is indeed plausible that as our (human) understanding of quantum physics increases, scientists may in fact discover a “scientific God” subsequently ending the lavish debates about religion that our species has been conducting since the origin of culture…but then where is the fun in that! |
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I can't really knock the inquisition. Cause as bad as they were they kicked a lot, and I mean a lot of Muslim ass!!! If it was'nt for them some of my relatives from Spain would be Muslims and so would I So I say, Viva la inquisition! viva Sangre pura! Muerto al Moros! Espana Grande!
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Most of the people done harm by the Inquisition were CHRISTIANS, namely those whose doctrine or motives were "suspected" by the RC church. So no, we have no thanks to give for the Inquisition. The only blessing about the Inquisition is that it is now over, thank God.... |
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Post from chewbacca -
Fortunately, and at times, unfortunately, I forget nothing. Constantine came to power as the result of violent bloodshed with an opposing Roman Army led by his brother-in-law and co-emperor, Maxentius. What else would anyone expect in those days? That's how secular governments led by mortal men conducted themselves, then and now....
Oh, there was absolutlely no connection whatsoever between church and synagogue by the Fourth Century AD! By that period, the beginning of the Fourth Century AD, the Church was thoroughly 'Hellenized' and no longer considered even by its enemies as a 'Jewish sect'', as you put it.
In 313 AD? Nothing, absolutely nothing, at all! Emperor Constantine and his co-Emperor Licinius' Edict of Milan, which was issued in 313 AD, neither made paganism illegal nor made Christianity a state-sponsored religion. What it did was to simply legalize Christianity, return previously confiscated Church property to its rightful owners, and establish Sunday as a day of worship. The remaining religions were not affected in the least. That would come later!
I don't think so, either, and I seriously doubt that the Roman population today is all that Christian, IMHO.
No Pagans died as a result of Christianity becoming a legal religion. No temples were thrown down and destroyed. No pagan property was confiscated. That all came later!
Isn't it strange that the missionaries came with Columbus and merrily began establishing churches and missions wherever they went? And what a wonderful 'human paradise' they found in the New World! Slavery and barbarism were great AmerIndian pasttimes! And we won't even get into their torture, human sacrifices, and ritual and gustatory cannibalism!
So human sacrifice is a good thing? Ritual mutilation and cannibalism are good things? Whatever the indigenous populations that existed before Columbus came here may have thought about their lives, the lives of their descendants became infinitely better because they came under the influence of Europeans at a crucial point in their histories! That's not a 'myopic paradigm' whatever that might mean, but simple history! Want to see a continent that didn't come under the influence of Spanish Christian Missionaries? Look to Africa! That's what South America would look like today, except for the influences of the Europeans at a similar date in their histories! By the time that Africa became colonized by European states, there was no onslaught of Christian missionaries to the same extent and numbers as was done in the New World. The modern Europeans that colonized Africa simply had no impulse to bring the natives to Jesus, and the missionaries that went to that dark continent were few and far between to make any lasting impression upon the people. The Dutch, who had come earlier to the Cape, did teach good Calvinist religion to the native Bushmen, but by the time that the great Masai, Zulu and other tribes migrated to South Africa, Britain was running the show down there, and they cared not a wit for the black man's soul.
Sorry, but you are simply and sadly mistaken about this, as about so many other matters.. I have previously questioned everything that I believe, and my questions have been answered and any doubts that I may have had, have been satisfactorily put to rest once and for all.
I have no idea what you believe, dear lad. Why would I? You may believe whatsoever you wish. Welcome to America!
I love to hear someone say that I am correct, but please, inform me, what am I correct about regarding your first period of 'philosophical revelation'? Give me the short version, if you will.
Then why worry about what I say or think? Go your way and sin no more! Or sin, as you wish, for it is of no consequence to me.
I disagree, but pray continue.
And the problem with that is....? But your views notwithstanding, Christianity has been accepted as the explanation of choice among about a third of the world's population. Go argue with them, for the remainder of Christianity might care to re-examine their faith. I do not. And I seriously doubt that they would care to, either.
And the problem with that is.....? Again, go preach to them, not to me.
God is no more to be found in a petri dish, than He is in the Hubble Telescope, or in some dotoral candidate's dissertation. Why light a torch to examine the Sun? You are simply either an atheist or an agnostic. God help you find the Sun. Eric The(Or,MoreAppropriately,The'Son')Hun |
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so your saying that the only person who can interpret scripture is someone who believes it is the inerrant word of God? Hmmm what about the Christians who don't see the bible as inerrant? They aren't allowed to enter into theological debates? |
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I'd say they were pretty well excluded by definition. It would be like arguing over Grimm's fairy tales. |
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admittedly he used to push people he thought less of into lockers in school, it has just stayed with him into adulthood too, which is a damn shame. Chris |
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Indeed, the Inquisition Courts did not even have jurisdiction over Jews and Moslems. Ever. They persecuted only fellow Christians. Never anyone else. Now, the Jews and Moslems did face one threat from the Inquisition - IF they were 'conversos', meaning 'converted' Jews and Moslems to the Christian Faith, then they were treated as Christians and handled accordingly. In Spanish governmental criminal prisons, the prisoners would often shout the vilest obscenities and heresies at the guards in the hope that they would be sent to the Inquisition's chambers.
But, as I said before, were I a prisoner in Spain in 1600 AD, I would hope that I stood before the Inquisitors, rather than the secular Spanish authorities IF I were charged with a crime. They actually went by some very liberal procedural rules in their trials, and in how they treated prisoners. Eric The(EvenTheGreatTorquemadaCouldBeReasonedWith)Hun |
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Yeah... and the violent and bloody persecutions of everyone else began. |
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A..........men Chris |
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I'd say just the opposite. Someone who believes in the innerancy of a work (any work) isn't capable of a rational discussion on the work. Noone claims a Tale of Two Cities is inerrant, yet you can find careful analysis of that book and many others. Biblical Scholarship is an interesting field and many in it do not view it as the word of God. Are there opinions any less valid than someone with the same education and experience, but who does believe in the Bible is inerrant? |
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Any examples of the liberal nature of their rules? "you have the right to scream silently...." perhaps? ".... note that there were two Inquisitions, the Papal one (today the Congregation for the doctrine of the faith), and the Spanish one. The former, created in 1233 to combat the heresy of the Albigenses, did indeed torture occasionally but otherwise can be considered, all things being equal, as a "progressive" criminal procedure instrument. The latter, established two and half centuries later, was essentially a political instrument in the hands of Spanish kings, and notoriously much harsher than its papal equivalent." http://www.murdoch.edu.au/elaw/issues/v5n4/baissus54_text.html |
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Indeed I did bully a few kids in school. But I was on the receiving end of more bullying than I was ever on the giving end of. And the guys I bullied? They bullied me first. Then during the summer of my 8th grade year, I grew a foot and put on about 50 pounds. Suddenly the kids who pushed me around were looking up at me, and were a lot weaker than I was. Things were a bit different after that. The other kids they pushed around who were not the prime specimens of the class (like the special ed kids they used to trip and throw food and balls at) got a bit of respite after I got bigger and stronger. And that was a LOOOOONG time ago. So what relevance does this have to right now? Does it make me less of a Christian to have sin in my past? Or is it because I am not willing to embrace any idea someone comes up with as right that I am somehow a bully? I have news for you: Christianity is a faith of absolutes. You want to know the principles I believe? I believe: # In the verbal inspiration of the Bible. # In one God eternally existing in three persons; namely, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. # That Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of the Father, conceived of the Holy Ghost, and born of the Virgin Mary. That Jesus was crucified, buried, and raised from the dead. That He ascended to heaven and is today at the right hand of the Father as the Intercessor. # That all have sinned and come short of the glory of God and that repentance is commanded of God for all and necessary for forgiveness of sins. # That justification, regeneration, and the new birth are wrought by faith in the blood of Jesus Christ. # In sanctification subsequent to the new birth, through faith in the blood of Christ; through the Word, and by the Holy Ghost. # Holiness to be God's standard of living for His people. # In the baptism with the Holy Ghost subsequent to a clean heart. # In speaking with other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance and that it is the initial evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost. # In water baptism by immersion, and all who repent should be baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. # Divine healing is provided for all in the atonement. # In the Lord's Supper and washing of the saints' feet. # In the premillennial second coming of Jesus. First, to resurrect the righteous dead and to catch away the living saints to Him in the air. Second, to reign on the earth a thousand years. # In the bodily resurrection; eternal life for the righteous, and eternal punishment for the wicked. I believe the testimony of Christ's Apostles and the Holy Spirit above and beyond all else. The Bible , brought about by a divine work of the Holy Spirit, is not a book open to negotiation. Within its own pages it boldly proclaims Divinely revealed Truth to all men who are wise enough to listen. And within the pages of that Blessed Book given to us by an act of God Almighty are CONSTANT warnings against false doctrines, and corruptions of the faith. I believe in the Christ revealed to me in scripture. He IS Savior, and He IS Lord, and there is no other name under heaven, or given among men whereby we must be saved. He IS the Way, Truth and the Life. I am charged repeatedly in the Holy Scriptures to "hold fast" my "confession of faith", to "contend earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints." This is my charge before God, and I take it seriously. If others wish to disbelieve God's Word, that is their buisness. But it is HARDLY logical to discount the Divine Inspiration of scripture one moment, and then to turn around, grab pieces of it out of context, and then use it to prove a point that the scripture itself does not make. THAT is what I object to, and it is what Tusi has done every time he has quoted the Bible. My simple suggestion was that for the sake of consistency, perhaps he should stick to quoting from the GOT instead of trying to torture meanings out of Divinely Inspired scripture that aren't there. Taking things out of context the way he has done repeatedly is done either out of ignorance or dishonesty. The Bible is not a salad bar from which we can take what we like and leave what we don't. It claims within its own pages to be the Word of the Living God. By its own measure, it is to be accepted as a whole, or rejected as a whole. Trying to pick out what most pleases is an utterly rediculous proposition, for if some of the Bible is untrue, then the whole of it is untrue. If any witness of the Gospels about Christ is false, then ALL of it is false, because if any deception is found in the writings of the Word then the whole thing is unreliable. All I am demanding is that people have the intellectual honesty to accept or reject the Word on its merits, not read into it whatever they like and pervert the message. If they disagree with the message of the Bible, that is their right. They can look to whatever other resources they wish. But to try and use the Divine scripture and twist it to say things that it does NOT say is ignorant or a lie, and there is no excuse for either. It is as simple as that. Tusi does not believe in the scripture's accuracy. How, then, can he use them to prove his point? If they are unreliable, then they are unreliable, and any arguement he would make from them is flawed from the getgo. If I believed that the Gospels were not accurate records of Christ's teachings and ministry, how then could I refer to them as proof of my idea of Christ and His teachings? It is like discounting the validity of a scientific study, and then trying to argue a point based on the data I just criticized as inaccurate. It is a completely illogical stand. |
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Can I get an amen? Amen! (except for a few of your charasmatic points) |
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so your being "bullied", you figured it was ok to bully someone else? very interesting indeed. sorry JW, you are still the same bully, it's just in the pulpit now. the original poster said he found his way to god. you condemn him [that's not the "right" way to find god, etc, etc. Can't you just be glad you actually had another gathered with the flock? personally, you have proven every reason I had to doubt religion true moreso than you ever helped me to grow closer. I believe (just me now, MHO) you think yourself more important than god for this mission and only you know the way. If God truly exists, he would not reject anyone who after many trials and tribulations found him. isn't that type of pride a sin too? Not to get all preachy. but damn man. Chris |
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