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Link Posted: 7/9/2019 6:54:38 PM EST
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Before it's all over, the story's gonna be "Russian agents convinced Rich to conduct illegal espionage to aid the Trump campaign" lol.
Link Posted: 7/9/2019 8:23:45 PM EST
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Never mind that in the interview he did, Assange CLEARLY wanted to say it was Seth Rich.  You could see it on his face after he mentioned Rich had been murdered and their sources take risks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp7FkLBRpKg
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Link Posted: 7/9/2019 8:25:06 PM EST
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The Russian troll factories aren't about being anti/pro Trump, their job is 100% about sowing discord in the US.

They will purposely find the most hot button issues and bombard social media trying to create in-fighting by taking the most extreme points of view. Their goal is to divide us and weaken the US from within.

Please read this book, it's become required reading for top Russian political/military staff since the 2000s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

And this is what we're experiencing today....

It's not about choosing sides, it's all about spreading bullshit lies/conspiracy theories all over the internet for the sole intention of weakening/destabilizing our country.

It's the equivalent of an entire country trying to actively troll.
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It’s working
Link Posted: 7/9/2019 8:42:27 PM EST
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I posted the first Seth Rich/email leak theory on Arf the morning after he was killed.  Hadn't seen anything about it elsewhere, the possible connection leaps out at anybody completely without Russian help.  No kidding.
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Same here, 2+2 being 4 and all that.  Maybe the Rich case is the next sealed indictment to drop after the pervert case?
Link Posted: 7/9/2019 8:48:26 PM EST
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I can understand why they would make such a claim when you look at the history of stuff the Soviets did (see below)
With that said, I don't see what the Russians would have to gain from such a lie.

Per Wiki- Mitrokhin Archive

Disinformation campaign against the United States

Andrew described the following active measures by the KGB against the United States:[36]

Promotion of false John F. Kennedy assassination theories, using writer Mark Lane.[37][not specific enough to verify] Lane denied this allegation and called it "an outright lie".[38]

Forged letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to E. Howard Hunt, attempting to incriminate Hunt in the Kennedy assassination.[39]

Discrediting the CIA using the ex-CIA case officer and defector Philip Agee.[40][clarification needed]
Spreading supposedly unconfirmed rumors that the FBI director J. Edgar Hoover was a homosexual.[41]
Attempts to discredit Martin Luther King, Jr. by placing publications portraying him as an "Uncle Tom" who was secretly receiving government subsidies.[42]

Stirring up racial tensions in the United States by mailing bogus letters from the Ku Klux Klan, by placing an explosive package in "the Negro section of New York" (operation PANDORA),[43] and by spreading conspiracy theories that Martin Luther King, Jr.'s assassination had been planned by the US government.[43]

Fabrication of the story that the AIDS virus was manufactured by US scientists at the US Army research station at Fort Detrick. The story was spread by Russian-born biologist Jakob Segal.[44]
Link Posted: 7/9/2019 8:55:33 PM EST
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Those Ruskies are into every damn thing !
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Link Posted: 7/10/2019 8:31:19 AM EST
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Link Posted: 7/10/2019 8:32:47 AM EST
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The Russians How many times in the last 100 yrs have they been usefully trotted out.

The Clintons and their bosses are far worse enemies to our country than the Russians are currently.
Link Posted: 7/10/2019 1:27:50 PM EST
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I can understand why they would make such a claim when you look at the history of stuff the Soviets did (see below)
With that said, I don't see what the Russians would have to gain from such a lie.

Per Wiki- Mitrokhin Archive

Disinformation campaign against the United States

Andrew described the following active measures by the KGB against the United States:[36]

Promotion of false John F. Kennedy assassination theories, using writer Mark Lane.[37][not specific enough to verify] Lane denied this allegation and called it "an outright lie".[38]

Forged letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to E. Howard Hunt, attempting to incriminate Hunt in the Kennedy assassination.[39]

Discrediting the CIA using the ex-CIA case officer and defector Philip Agee.[40][clarification needed]
Spreading supposedly unconfirmed rumors that the FBI director J. Edgar Hoover was a homosexual.[41]
Attempts to discredit Martin Luther King, Jr. by placing publications portraying him as an "Uncle Tom" who was secretly receiving government subsidies.[42]

Stirring up racial tensions in the United States by mailing bogus letters from the Ku Klux Klan, by placing an explosive package in "the Negro section of New York" (operation PANDORA),[43] and by spreading conspiracy theories that Martin Luther King, Jr.'s assassination had been planned by the US government.[43]

Fabrication of the story that the AIDS virus was manufactured by US scientists at the US Army research station at Fort Detrick. The story was spread by Russian-born biologist Jakob Segal.[44]
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Were they simply promoting fringe theories, or actively creating them?  Especially, were they fabricating *evidence* of them?  All are psy-ops, but the latter two are a bit more severe.  Hiring trolls to spread others' nonsense seems far more likely...but also unnecessary these days.
Link Posted: 7/10/2019 9:12:43 PM EST
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https://www.theepochtimes.com/the-mueller-investigation-failed-to-provide-evidence-that-the-dnc-was-actually-hacked_2992670.html

In 2017, a memorandum was sent to the White House from a group of former U.S. intelligence officials, including William Binney, former technical director at the National Security Agency (NSA).

The team was a veritable who’s who of accredited technical wizards, comprising former top brass from the NSA, CIA, U.S. Air Force Intelligence, Defense Intelligence Agency, National Intelligence Council, Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and IBM.

The subject of the memo was their forensic analysis of the emails that were allegedly obtained from a hack at the Democratic National Committee (DNC)—a basis for assertions that the campaign of then-candidate Donald Trump colluded with the Russian government.

Unchallenged allegations of a computer “hack” permeated nearly all mainstream-media coverage of the investigation and were sprinkled throughout much of the final report from special counsel Robert Mueller. The indictment of 12 Russians by Mueller asserts that the emails were obtained through a remote network breach. The indictment drones on and on about a Russian military unit dubbed “Unit 26165” and “X-Agent malware” that supposedly allowed the DNC emails to be compromised.

But analysis of the files themselves (analysis that team Mueller either never conducted or never discussed) shows otherwise.

What was revealed through forensic analysis of the emails was that they were copied at speeds too high to have been hacked and transmitted over the internet. The metadata indicate that the emails had to have been copied locally—by someone who had physical access to the network—to some sort of mobile hard drive or flash drive.

Binney and former CIA and State Department Counter Terrorism officer Larry Johnson wrote in a report that “the highest transfer rate was 49.1 megabytes per second, which is much faster than possible from a remote online connection. The 49.1 megabytes speed coincides with the download rate for a thumb drive.”

But let’s set that aside for a moment. The report also fails to account for the CIA’s Marble Framework tool—leaked to the public by WikiLeaks in its “Vault 7” drop—that allows the agency to “mask its hacking attacks to make it look like it came from” another country, including Russia. Even if there was a hack (the only available evidence shows there wasn’t), the CIA could have easily been behind it and left false digital footprints that blamed Russia. Mueller failed to address this, as well.

These are hardly minor details. And it should now be clear to all that exculpatory evidence is something that neither the Mueller team nor establishment media are interested in providing to the public.

Here’s a friendly reminder that Mueller’s team couldn’t possibly have asserted, with a high degree of confidence, that the emails were actually hacked, because they didn’t even examine the DNC’s server. Neither did the FBI.

It’s not inconsequential that the DNC refused to let anyone examine the server. The FBI just accepted the hack narrative based on the word of CrowdStrike, a firm hired by the DNC—a firm whose analyst that supposedly examined the DNC server just happened to have previously worked for none other than … Robert Mueller.

The Mueller report repeatedly uses the words “hack” and “hacking,” yet fails to offer a shred of evidence that a hack actually took place. The public is just supposed to accept on good faith a claim made by a former FBI director (under his own cloud of suspicion), who’s investigating the current president in a case initiated by biased FBI officials whose investigation is based on opposition research provided by the Russians and paid for by the president’s political opposition, the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC.

Analysis of the stolen emails not only eviscerates the legitimacy of at least 12 of Mueller’s indictments—the ones against Russians he accused of conducting a hack that never actually occurred—it further calls into question the motives for the origin of the Mueller probe.

Specifically, the report states, “Taken together, these disparate data points combine to paint a picture that exonerates alleged Russian hackers and implicates persons within our law enforcement and intelligence community taking part in a campaign of misinformation, deceit and incompetence. It is not a pretty picture.”

After an investigation that had 19 lawyers, 2,800 subpoenas, 500 search warrants, 500 witnesses interviewed, and more than 230 orders for communication records, not only was there no finding of collusion, conspiracy, or obstruction, we are also still left with a question about how this whole thing started.

Who actually stole the DNC emails?
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Link Posted: 7/10/2019 9:15:34 PM EST
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"Anonymous sources close to an NSA contractor have comfirmed that it was indeed a local download and not a remote connection to the DNC severs." Buzzfeed.

There. Since that level of proof you offered for the whole russia collusion theory i figure its more than enough.
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JFC.   I gotta believe Buzzfeed?    NO.

I don't know which end is up, but I'm not believing Buzzfeed for damn sure, or anyone else.
Link Posted: 7/10/2019 9:27:28 PM EST
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Ah shit... someone is going to have more shit on their face then they already did...
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Ah shit... someone is going to have more shit on their face then they already did...
Some_one. But_who?
Link Posted: 7/10/2019 9:31:07 PM EST
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JFC.   I gotta believe Buzzfeed?    NO.

I don't know which end is up, but I'm not believing Buzzfeed for damn sure, or anyone else.
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"Anonymous sources close to an NSA contractor have comfirmed that it was indeed a local download and not a remote connection to the DNC severs." Buzzfeed.

There. Since that level of proof you offered for the whole russia collusion theory i figure its more than enough.
JFC.   I gotta believe Buzzfeed?    NO.

I don't know which end is up, but I'm not believing Buzzfeed for damn sure, or anyone else.
Fair enough. What sources do you consider “credible” at this point?  What criteria do you use to make it “credible”

Did you know the instructions to the marxists on the intarweb were to label conservative viewpoints “conspiracy theories?”

If you’re so internet savvy, you can show your work. Hint, google isn’t going to find it for you.
Link Posted: 7/10/2019 9:35:58 PM EST
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No shit.
And let’s not forget that John Schindler ID’d it as deza a month after Rich’s murder.
Link Posted: 7/10/2019 9:43:23 PM EST
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And let’s not forget that John Schindler ID’d it as deza a month after Rich’s murder.
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And let’s not forget that John Schindler ID’d it as deza a month after Rich’s murder.
Psssst. Hey kid. Andy Weisman is a liar that covers up stuff for people that pay him.
Link Posted: 7/10/2019 9:44:08 PM EST
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Well in literal terms they set up the modern DNC machine so they kind of are!
Link Posted: 7/10/2019 9:52:09 PM EST
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Lol, sure it was the Russians again.

Next they will tell us it was the Russians who killed Seth Rich. Couldn't possibly be power hungry and desperate Democrats trying to rig an election.
Link Posted: 7/10/2019 9:54:23 PM EST
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Is any of that credible?

If so there needs to be an extermination event @ DC Metro not to mention the Clanton gang plus the Run D N C clan of fools.
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I've never gotten a solid handle on the veracity of this one, but... Here ya go:

D.C. surgeon who operated on Seth Rich: 'The DNC staffer was alive and well after surgery, before a group of LEOs showed up to the ICU'
DNC staffer's plug pulled in ICU?

By Shepard Ambellas -  May 22, 2017
WASHINGTON (INTELLIHUB)  A 4-year resident surgeon at Washington Hospital Center claims that Seth Rich was alive and recovering well in facility's Intensive Care Unit (ICU) after being treated for a total of 3 routine gunshot wounds  that is until a number of law enforcement officers arrived eight hours later kicking most everyone out of the ICU and physically barring doctors and others from attending to Rich.

The surgeon who witnessed this bizarre behavior decided to come forth with the information despite the fact that he or she may be easy to identify.

Posted on May 17, to 4chan under the anonymous ID: "rhotYJAg," the surgeon wrote:

4th year surgery resident here who rotated at WHC (Washington Hospital Center) last year, it won't be hard to identify me but I feel that I shouldn't stay silent.

Seth Rich was shot twice, with 3 total gunshot wounds (entry and exit, and entry). He was taken to the OR emergently where we performed an exlap and found a small injury to segment 3 of the liver which was packed and several small bowel injuries (pretty common for gunshots to the back exiting the abdomen) which we resected ~12cm of bowel and left him in discontinuity (didn't hook everything back up) with the intent of performing a washout in the morning. He did not have any major vascular injuries otherwise. I've seen dozens of worse cases than this which survived and nothing about his injuries suggested to me that he'd sustained a fatal wound.

In the meantime he was transferred to the ICU and transfused 2 units of blood when his post-surgery crit came back ~20. He was stable and not on any pressors, and it seemed pretty routine. About 8 hours after he arrived we were swarmed by LEOs and pretty much everyone except the attending and a few nurses was kicked out of the ICU (disallowing visiting hours -normally every odd hour, eg 1am, 3am, etc- is not something we do routinely). It was weird as hell. At turnover that morning we were instructed not to round on the VIP that came in last night (that's exactly what the attending said, and no one except for me and another resident had any idea who he was talking about).

No one here was allowed to see Seth except for my attending when he died. No code was called. I rounded on patients literally next door but was physically blocked from checking in on him. I've never seen anything like it before, and while I can't say 100% that he was allowed to die, I don't understand why he was treated like that. Take it how you may, /pol/, I'm just one low level doc. Something's fishy though, that's for sure.



If this report is even half-way accurate, I'd like to know two things: Where did Rich actually die, and from what?

Other hand, it could be bullshit, but I can't tell, from evidence, whether it is or not.
Is any of that credible?

If so there needs to be an extermination event @ DC Metro not to mention the Clanton gang plus the Run D N C clan of fools.
We have doctors here.... is the medi-slang correct? (terminology properly used, descriptions correct)
Link Posted: 7/10/2019 9:55:16 PM EST
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Psssst. Hey kid. Andy Weisman is a liar that covers up stuff for people that pay him.
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Is this where you pretend that anything you have to offer is relevant?

Link Posted: 7/10/2019 9:55:34 PM EST
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That first part seems like a good indicator of it being internal. Got a source?
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These are the facts.

Someone with physical access to DNC servers stole and distributed the info to Wikileaks. Proof of this is the data transfer rate, there’s no way it could have been done remotely at the speed the files were downloaded.

Only Julian Assange knows the whistleblowers true identity. He’s already stated he won’t reveal sources. It would ruin his integrity and trust, future leakers would not come forward then.

The speculation

It was Seth Rich who leaked as hey had access to the files. He coincidentally/strangely shot himself in the back of the head.. twice shortly after the leak.

DNC: Russia Russia Russia hacked our servers

DC Police admitted that ALL the body cam video had been "accidentally" lost.

DNC mouth piece MSM: It was a planted conspiracy that Seth Rich was the leaker.

You decide whoever telling the truth.
That first part seems like a good indicator of it being internal. Got a source?
Link Posted: 7/10/2019 10:00:12 PM EST
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The Russian troll factories aren't about being anti/pro Trump, their job is 100% about sowing discord in the US.

They will purposely find the most hot button issues and bombard social media trying to create in-fighting by taking the most extreme points of view. Their goal is to divide us and weaken the US from within.

Please read this book, it's become required reading for top Russian political/military staff since the 2000s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

And this is what we're experiencing today....

It's not about choosing sides, it's all about spreading bullshit lies/conspiracy theories all over the internet for the sole intention of weakening/destabilizing our country.

It's the equivalent of an entire country trying to actively troll.
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Does anybody know if they're hiring?  'Cause that actually sounds kind of fun - doing nothing but shitposting all day long and getting paid for it?  I'm just sayin'.
They don’t pay well from what Mueller found...a total of something like $1500 of fake facebook trolling....that’s all Mueller could indict on and then when the judge asked for his evidentiary findings he choked.

The fact that the White House was trying to get Trump campaigner dirt from the Ukrainians well before the election is all I need to know that this whole “Russia did it” is bullshit. Russia can’t afford a burger and fries. It was the CIA under Brennan and at the direction of the former President that thought this whole ruse up. Brennan is a traitorous turd.
The Russian troll factories aren't about being anti/pro Trump, their job is 100% about sowing discord in the US.

They will purposely find the most hot button issues and bombard social media trying to create in-fighting by taking the most extreme points of view. Their goal is to divide us and weaken the US from within.

Please read this book, it's become required reading for top Russian political/military staff since the 2000s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

Its publication in 1997 was well-received in Russia and powerful Russian political figures subsequently took an interest in Dugin,[3] a Russian eurasianist, fascist[4] and nationalist[5] who has developed a close relationship with Russia's Academy of the General Staff.[6]

Dugin credits General Nikolai Klokotov of the Academy of the General Staff as co-author and main inspiration,[7] though Klokotov denies this.[2] Colonel General Leonid Ivashov, head of the International Department of the Russian Ministry of Defence, helped draft the book.
Klokotov stated that in the future the book would "serve as a mighty ideological foundation for preparing a new military command".[9] Dugin has asserted that the book has been adopted as a textbook in many Russian educational institutions.[1] Former speaker of the Russian State Duma, Gennadiy Seleznyov, for whom Dugin was adviser on geopolitics,[10] has "urged that Dugin's geopolitical doctrine be made a compulsory part of the school curriculum".[9]
And this is what we're experiencing today....

In the United States:

Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics".[9]
It's not about choosing sides, it's all about spreading bullshit lies/conspiracy theories all over the internet for the sole intention of weakening/destabilizing our country.

It's the equivalent of an entire country trying to actively troll.
The Democrats are already doing all of that, why would the Russians need to do anything?
Link Posted: 7/10/2019 10:11:14 PM EST
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Psssst. Hey kid. Andy Weisman is a liar that covers up stuff for people that pay him.
Is this where you pretend that anything you have to offer is relevant?

Well, yeah. I mean it is your job to shill for feebs, my job is to tell the truth, and then when it is proven out, it is your job to pretend like this never happened and shill for the feebs.

I mean without me doing me, you wouldn't get to do you.

Giuliani explains why Mueller should've never been special counsel


Here is Americas Mayor laying down just what Mueller is all about.

I wonder if Seth's brother is still reading the script the DNC gives him? I mean that would almost be sad If I didn't know that a DNC PR firm was using him as a sock puppet.

You are like Hoover saying the mob doesn't exist while citing their PR firm as proof. It is sad.

we live in a land of binary faction. Those two factions control hundreds of trillions of dollars.  if some kids got in the way by leaking how rigged it is, they would die, and their families would die to, if they didn't read the script. That is my outlook, and everything I have seen in the last two years confirms it.
Link Posted: 7/10/2019 10:27:53 PM EST
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Is this where you pretend that anything you have to offer is relevant?

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Psssst. Hey kid. Andy Weisman is a liar that covers up stuff for people that pay him.
Is this where you pretend that anything you have to offer is relevant?

No, I think it is where you_pretend anyone here gives a shit what you have to say.
Link Posted: 7/10/2019 10:32:08 PM EST
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I would sooner believe that Big Tech is using Russia as a Scapegoat to protect Hillary.
Link Posted: 7/10/2019 10:34:33 PM EST
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Nope. Trumps fault.
Link Posted: 7/10/2019 10:41:08 PM EST
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I think they are putting this bullshit out as a preemptive to obfuscate what they think is going to come out soon and is most likely the truth.
Link Posted: 7/10/2019 10:49:43 PM EST
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I think they are putting this bullshit out as a preemptive to obfuscate what they think is going to come out soon and is most likely the truth.
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Yup.
Link Posted: 7/10/2019 11:13:53 PM EST
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Were they simply promoting fringe theories, or actively creating them?  Especially, were they fabricating *evidence* of them?  All are psy-ops, but the latter two are a bit more severe.  Hiring trolls to spread others' nonsense seems far more likely...but also unnecessary these days.
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Incorrect. It is cheaper, safer, easier, and more effective than the old way.

They are dry af, but both Mitrokin Archives are worth reading and page marking. None of this is new, it just just refined.
Link Posted: 7/10/2019 11:31:08 PM EST
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The benefits of the keto diet was also planted by the Russians, therefore, the discussions related to such a diet should be avoided in the future.
Link Posted: 7/10/2019 11:36:26 PM EST
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Maybe so, but the seeds that make it seem so plausible were all planted by the Clintons.
Link Posted: 7/11/2019 7:14:42 AM EST
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And let’s not forget that John Schindler ID’d it as deza a month after Rich’s murder.
To be fair, Schindler kind of calls everything deza.
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I'm fine with this, but I want to see the proof.  I don't trust Isikoff, Yahoo, or the gov anymore.  If they have the proof it was Russia causing the misinformation, link it up, don't tell me and expect me to believe your word.
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So the GRU initially posted the Seth Rich conspiracy nonsense to the website "whatdoesitmean.com"

A google search for [site:ar15.com "whatdoesitmean.com"] shows quite a few hits.

Lots of pro-Russian propoganda threads and some crazy Hillary conspiracies - apparently she was injured in a plane crash in Iran (lol)? Lots of pro-Wikileaks stuff.

Oh.  And a whole bunch of links in the loony Qanon thread.

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