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Posted: 12/21/2018 8:01:36 PM EDT
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There are tens of thousands of dot indian H1B's parents and grandparents collecting medicaid and tens of million of illegals using ER healthcare costing billions.
Bezos and his ilk are making tens of billons while healthcare rises throught the roof and then eventually collapses. Americans are retards allowing the country to be destroyed while the robber barons of leftist tech become the richest humans in history. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 9:45:41 PM EDT
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totally agree.
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Before it’s over we will all be paying cash for Doctors and medicine and insurance will be unaffordable. It is unrealistic for private citizens to work till they die to pay for health care for public employees who retire at 55 years or less age. Some only working for 20 years and then collecting a life pension and healthcare. It cannot continue. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 9:53:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: people who willingly gave up the responsibility for the care and feeding of their retirement benefits program are so upset that the people they gave the responsibility to screwed it up that they are suing them, thereby incurring more costs to the retirement benefits program? i'll have a coke. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 9:57:19 PM EDT
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My wife taught 30 years, retired early and got no healthcare. CA.
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Posted: 12/22/2018 2:26:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A stay/injunction/restraining order to allow time to find a more viable path forward, not punitive damages. Enjoy your coke. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 9:51:13 AM EDT
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There’s a path forward that makes money appear out of nowhere? Every day of time taken admiring the problem is less money available when reality is accepted. -The pre-medicare age retired guys now have a stipend to buy health insurance. -The pension fund board decided this stipend HAS to be used through a single company, Aon or healthcare.gov. -In many cases, Aon has NO relationships with healthcare providers in regions of Ohio. -The money that IS available could easily be put to better use for the retired members elsewhere, but it has too many strings attached. The company being forced upon the retired members is in... Chicago, the pension fund executive director is from... Chicago and used to manage the police pension fund there. I think people are right to be skeptical. The Ohio Police and Fire Pension operates under the purview of the Ohio State Legislature, but not as it relates to heath insurance. That is up to the members. Make sense? |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 9:53:11 AM EDT
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What did these FF and cops do wrong class?
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Posted: 12/22/2018 10:25:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. But that isn't the crux of the immediate issue however. -The pre-medicare age retired guys now have a stipend to buy health insurance. -The pension fund board decided this stipend HAS to be used through a single company, Aon or healthcare.gov. -In many cases, Aon has NO relationships with healthcare providers in regions of Ohio. -The money that IS available could easily be put to better use for the retired members elsewhere, but it has too many strings attached. The company being forced upon the retired members is in... Chicago, the pension fund executive director is from... Chicago and used to manage the police pension fund there. I think people are right to be skeptical. The Ohio Police and Fire Pension operates under the purview of the Ohio State Legislature, but not as it relates to heath insurance. That is up to the members. Make sense? |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 10:26:24 AM EDT
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What did these FF and cops do wrong class? |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 11:35:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. But that isn't the crux of the immediate issue however. -The pre-medicare age retired guys now have a stipend to buy health insurance. -The pension fund board decided this stipend HAS to be used through a single company, Aon or healthcare.gov. -In many cases, Aon has NO relationships with healthcare providers in regions of Ohio. -The money that IS available could easily be put to better use for the retired members elsewhere, but it has too many strings attached. The company being forced upon the retired members is in... Chicago, the pension fund executive director is from... Chicago and used to manage the police pension fund there. I think people are right to be skeptical. The Ohio Police and Fire Pension operates under the purview of the Ohio State Legislature, but not as it relates to heath insurance. That is up to the members. Make sense? |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 11:36:03 AM EDT
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You're trying to talk sense into a group of conspiracy-theorist anti-pension, anti-public sector employment, anti-government people. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 11:40:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did they fail punctuation class, like you did ??? 
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Posted: 12/22/2018 11:50:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you tring to say that he's acting fraudualently? |
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Posted: 12/24/2018 7:56:02 AM EDT
[#14]
All part of the plan to go to single payer system.
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Posted: 12/24/2018 8:12:54 AM EDT
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"realistic" according to who? do you believe someone who works 25+ years shouldn't be able to retire? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No, it's for people who are at a realistic retirement age. do you believe someone who works 25+ years shouldn't be able to retire? |
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Posted: 12/24/2018 8:17:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No Idea. I don't work in that sector so I don't act like an expert on it. Unlike some people here, on the vice versa. Working 40 years in an office job is probably equivalent to working 2 years in a cruiser though!! |
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Posted: 12/24/2018 8:25:07 AM EDT
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Well then, I guess you could force them to work longer, but then many of the ones you're having work longer will get hurt more often on the job and ultimately retire "early" with a medical retirement, which costs more than a standard retirement. Guess that the joke would be on you then. |
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Posted: 12/24/2018 8:31:29 AM EDT
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Actually idgaf if they get their retirement or not. Does not affect me one way or the other. |
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Posted: 12/24/2018 8:33:57 AM EDT
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Actually idgaf if they get their retirement or not. Does not affect me one way or the other. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well then, I guess you could force them to work longer, but then many of the ones you're having work longer will get hurt more often on the job and ultimately retire "early" with a medical retirement, which costs more than a standard retirement. Guess that the joke would be on you then. 
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Posted: 12/24/2018 8:36:26 AM EDT
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And there we really have it. At least you're really being honest, for once Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Actually idgaf if they get their retirement or not. Does not affect me one way or the other. |
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Posted: 12/24/2018 9:23:55 AM EDT
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You're trying to talk sense into a group of conspiracy-theorist anti-pension, anti-public sector employment, anti-government people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Nope. But that isn't the crux of the immediate issue however. -The pre-medicare age retired guys now have a stipend to buy health insurance. -The pension fund board decided this stipend HAS to be used through a single company, Aon or healthcare.gov. -In many cases, Aon has NO relationships with healthcare providers in regions of Ohio. -The money that IS available could easily be put to better use for the retired members elsewhere, but it has too many strings attached. The company being forced upon the retired members is in... Chicago, the pension fund executive director is from... Chicago and used to manage the police pension fund there. I think people are right to be skeptical. The Ohio Police and Fire Pension operates under the purview of the Ohio State Legislature, but not as it relates to heath insurance. That is up to the members. Make sense? |
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Posted: 12/24/2018 9:46:48 AM EDT
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Unless it's their ox to be gored. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Nope. But that isn't the crux of the immediate issue however. -The pre-medicare age retired guys now have a stipend to buy health insurance. -The pension fund board decided this stipend HAS to be used through a single company, Aon or healthcare.gov. -In many cases, Aon has NO relationships with healthcare providers in regions of Ohio. -The money that IS available could easily be put to better use for the retired members elsewhere, but it has too many strings attached. The company being forced upon the retired members is in... Chicago, the pension fund executive director is from... Chicago and used to manage the police pension fund there. I think people are right to be skeptical. The Ohio Police and Fire Pension operates under the purview of the Ohio State Legislature, but not as it relates to heath insurance. That is up to the members. Make sense? If Ohio had a system that met this basic standard then there wouldn't be a story. But they don't have enough money so something has to give. |
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Posted: 12/24/2018 9:50:26 AM EDT
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Current year public service needs should be paid for with current year dollars and not cause a future unfunded requirement. If Ohio had a system that met this basic standard then there wouldn't be a story. But they don't have enough money so something has to give. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Nope. But that isn't the crux of the immediate issue however. -The pre-medicare age retired guys now have a stipend to buy health insurance. -The pension fund board decided this stipend HAS to be used through a single company, Aon or healthcare.gov. -In many cases, Aon has NO relationships with healthcare providers in regions of Ohio. -The money that IS available could easily be put to better use for the retired members elsewhere, but it has too many strings attached. The company being forced upon the retired members is in... Chicago, the pension fund executive director is from... Chicago and used to manage the police pension fund there. I think people are right to be skeptical. The Ohio Police and Fire Pension operates under the purview of the Ohio State Legislature, but not as it relates to heath insurance. That is up to the members. Make sense? If Ohio had a system that met this basic standard then there wouldn't be a story. But they don't have enough money so something has to give. |
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Posted: 12/24/2018 9:57:44 AM EDT
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Nothing of what I said is incorrect. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Nope. But that isn't the crux of the immediate issue however. -The pre-medicare age retired guys now have a stipend to buy health insurance. -The pension fund board decided this stipend HAS to be used through a single company, Aon or healthcare.gov. -In many cases, Aon has NO relationships with healthcare providers in regions of Ohio. -The money that IS available could easily be put to better use for the retired members elsewhere, but it has too many strings attached. The company being forced upon the retired members is in... Chicago, the pension fund executive director is from... Chicago and used to manage the police pension fund there. I think people are right to be skeptical. The Ohio Police and Fire Pension operates under the purview of the Ohio State Legislature, but not as it relates to heath insurance. That is up to the members. Make sense? If Ohio had a system that met this basic standard then there wouldn't be a story. But they don't have enough money so something has to give. 
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Posted: 12/24/2018 10:18:36 AM EDT
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You're wasting your time and giving him exactly what he wants. He is currently the only non banned member on my block list Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Nope. But that isn't the crux of the immediate issue however. -The pre-medicare age retired guys now have a stipend to buy health insurance. -The pension fund board decided this stipend HAS to be used through a single company, Aon or healthcare.gov. -In many cases, Aon has NO relationships with healthcare providers in regions of Ohio. -The money that IS available could easily be put to better use for the retired members elsewhere, but it has too many strings attached. The company being forced upon the retired members is in... Chicago, the pension fund executive director is from... Chicago and used to manage the police pension fund there. I think people are right to be skeptical. The Ohio Police and Fire Pension operates under the purview of the Ohio State Legislature, but not as it relates to heath insurance. That is up to the members. Make sense? If Ohio had a system that met this basic standard then there wouldn't be a story. But they don't have enough money so something has to give. Nothing of what I said is incorrect either. |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 3:18:24 PM EDT
[#26]
Math seems to be a sensitive subject for a lot of people.
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Posted: 12/29/2018 7:20:27 AM EDT
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And since it is hard to recruit cops now you should see departments creating inducements to retain older cops, or hire them back after retirement. Think about that hypothetical police department. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: old guys at the FD seem fairly common It's not uncommon to see a 50-55 year old driving an engine for a FD I suppose here we will see alot more police that age continuing to work so they don't lose their health insurance Think about that hypothetical police department. Chief" aww shit, what has been taken?" IA Investigator" well it looks like drugs" Chief" I wouldn't peg officer XYZ as a dope fiend" IA " actually it is knock off Lipitor and Viagra" Chief" well he IS 72"... 
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Posted: 12/29/2018 7:33:52 AM EDT
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Now it's time to do the same with teachers!
Bring on the flames. |
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Posted: 12/29/2018 8:09:21 AM EDT
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When my mom and dad retired they were paying upwards of $15,000/year for insurance. For years. And they are still in decent health.
Welcome to the party pall. |
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